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Mechko

19:00

meh that's the biggest problem with gaming. everything becomes a personal vendetta with tzenes.

Ivo Flipse

no, no, @badp your current answer is fine within the scope of the question. It's the scope that needs fixing (as @tzenes suggests)

radp

I merely took your assist about "best value on the site"

Cristina

@Mechko however you don't have a multiplayer attached to it

tzenes

you applied meanings which you knew I didn't mean and made it appear as if I had said them

radp

Well, I guess each one of us is going to read that question the way he reads it applying meanings as he sees fit and rejecting other's meanings

I've tried bringing points that prove my version, now dinner is ready

Later

Cristina

19:01

@badp that is the exact same way we perceive games, by applying our own meaning to it

Ivo Flipse

have a nice meal @badp :)

Cristina

that's why i think game-rec are subjective, they can start flame wars and we really have to ask that if we want that in the long run.

Ivo Flipse

indeed @Cristina :)

isnt that exactly the same as that other co-op question I left the wikipedia comment for?

Mechko

19:18

if no one is going to answer gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/7223/… then please delete it. With all the comments attached to it, it's harmful to the site. Frankly, if you enforce that g-r questions need to be objectively phrased and have objectively verifiable answers (like the question @badp answered was) then g-r is hardly a problem anymore because it has all the hallmarks of a 'good question'.

Ivo Flipse

you can self delete it :)

radp

:171672 thanks, it was nice indeed

Mechko

however if the common user gets a whiff of the vendetta and rage against game-rec questions then it jeopardizes the site. And no, I can't self delete it. Don't know why

jblaske

oh yay, i found the chat

alexanderpas

@ArdaXi you wanted year 4? chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/198/dwarf-fortress-succession

Ivo Flipse

19:19

I'm having such an awesome day

wasted a whole freaking day on my research

ask 1 question on SO that nearly does what I want

Mechko

such a waste @IvoFlipse :-p

Ivo Flipse

and I hit the rep cap :P

welcome @jblaske

Arda Xi

:171783 Err, did I?

radp

I still have to hit on a question I can answer :(

Ivo Flipse

181

Q: Peak detection in a 2D array

I'm helping a veterinary clinic measuring pressure under a dogs paw. I use Python for my data analysis and now I'm stuck trying to divide the paws into (anatomical) subregions. I made a 2D array of each paw, that consists of the maximal values for each sensor that has been loaded by the paw over...

good luck @badp

jblaske

19:23

So discussion on the game-rec meta seemed to have died out, did it come here instead?

alexanderpas

:171793 (well, you were an early bird, and didn't want to start...) if you want it, just say so, otherwise @CRoss gets to run year 4

tzenes

@jblaske a more accurate statement would be: it never left here

Arda Xi

:171813 Let @CRoss do it, I'm way too busy this week

jblaske

ah

radp

:171810 stackoverflow.com/questions/3684484/…

This is what I would have replied (just worded better)

although the sum of 2×2 squares technique doesn't suck

Mechko

19:25

A thought just occurred to me. We CAN provide game-recs without having the questions asked...

Ivo Flipse

we've had discussions here since chat launched @jblaske

how then @Mechko?

@badp, the 2x2 is actually a fairly 'stupid' way, but since most paws won't allow any more pixels per toe, it doesn't matter

jblaske

@IvoFlipse its just sad that the chat isn't obvous - I had no idea bout the game rec one till it was pointed out, and this one as well till that last top 5 question, which made me start digging around the meta page.

Ivo Flipse

but it leaves out quite some data, which is too bad

that's because it has only officially launched on serverfault next to SO, so they don't want to advertise it

Mechko

meh. it's kinda simple and requires work of the 'asker'. You look at a question on a game that you like and want a 'similar game' to and then you follow the tags of the OP and the Answerers. If there was a tag cloud...

Ivo Flipse

but now you're here, I hope you enjoy your stay

jblaske

19:28

@IvoFlipse indeed! and thanks :)

alexanderpas

we will have our own chat when the site launches AFAIK, now we're just piggybacking on MSO ;)

jblaske

I feel like i might actually be able to better contribute in here, as well as stay in the loop better.

Ivo Flipse

you can use SkeetStalker for that @Mechko, simply fill in another users ID

Arda Xi

:171835 It does have an advertisement

SkeetStalker... I was afraid that was real.

jblaske

@ArdaXi can't say i've ever even noticed adds on the site...

Ivo Flipse

19:29

on the right, there's a small banner

Arda Xi

:171847 ahb.me/pAq/.png

Mechko

well we should advertise that then. Instead of sending away people with g-r questions, you can keep them on the site so that when they have a 'real' question to ask, they ask it here rather than another place.

Ivo Flipse

something like this one (which is awesome)

Arda Xi

points to the image he just posted

jblaske

@ArdaXi that only goes to the game rec room, which i know about now

tzenes

19:31

:171839 I like this idea but there is no easy way to implement it. Unless we have a better visual display of the cloud...

Arda Xi

:171856 I know, but that's what we were discussing

jblaske

@IvoFlipse i see no adds on the side like that, only a "Help us grow the site" banner.

Mechko

well what about google graphs or whatever it is

Arda Xi

Pshaw, SkeetStalker thinks I would answer SC2 questions

tzenes

I've never used google graphs

Mechko

19:32

I wrote a small plugin thingy for trth but then I lost it when I accidentally deleted my hard drive

Arda Xi

I have, it's a lot easier to graph data from databases etc than writing your own code

Mechko

it's really easy. it took me all of 5 minutes to figure out how to format 2 million lines of financial data into a google graph

Cristina

got to go now, i wish you all a good day/night :)

Mechko

cheers

Ivo Flipse

bye @Cristina

Arda Xi

19:38

It's neat to make points with too

:(

jblaske

I was surprsied to see how many questions actually had the game-rec tag on them

Arda Xi

I'd make a concentric chart but I have no idea how much answers there are to game-rec questions

would make a much better point though

Ivo Flipse

if you change others to: part that represents pac-man AKA real games, it would be awesome

Mechko

God. it's taking forever for DAO to download

alexanderpas

reopen requested:

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Q: Temporary chat for Gaming

Until we get our own... http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/46/gaming The password is gossipville, and it will close down in 2 days (it's a 3 days beta). But in the future we'll get our own third place Edit: Chat is back in public beta! The gamin room can be found in the usual place (bu...

discussion chat third-place

radp

19:43

Point for that question to even have answers?

jblaske

@IvoFlipse that just reminds me of this graphjam.com/2008/08/19/…

Downvoter

:171913 done

alexanderpas

:171916 it's meta... it's more to remove the [closed] ;)

:171916 and BTW: you answered that!

radp

:D

Ivo Flipse

2

here's it's the other way around, lol

jblaske

19:46

wtf, why did it show for you and not me?

Ivo Flipse

you supplied the url of the site, not the image

alexanderpas

I'm playing Recettear!

jblaske

doh, so i did

alexanderpas

for oneboxing to happen, the data needs to be on it's own.

Arda Xi

(Disclaimer: does not represent actual Pac-Man questions)

jblaske

19:49

beautiful

jblaske

well, it's time i actually get some work done today. You all have a wonderful Friday!

Arda Xi

broke it :(

Ivo Flipse

well friday is almost over for me @jblaske :P

jblaske

oh snap! well have a wonderful Saturday too then ;)

alexanderpas

Arda Xi

19:55

So true.

Pac-Man eating my sleep.

Ivo Flipse

Hours spend thinking others are wrong on the internet

Arda Xi

My... 4th time pasting that link here.

Ivo Flipse

Starred! First Post! Simpsons did it first! South Park did it too!

2

Arda Xi

We Didn't Start The Flame War

Ivo Flipse

collegehumor.com/video:1907543

Arda Xi

19:57

I love CollegeHumour

Ivo Flipse

alexanderpas

2

Macha

20:34

Hello

Mechko

zdrasti

Jin

3

Mechko

omg

Macha

Epic win. Saved :P

Mechko

but it makes my chat lag :(

Macha

20:52

Hey, @FallenAngelEyes, can you look over my draft post on the blog?

FallenAngelEyes

@Macha, Sure, will need a bit, as I'm in the middle of some stuff atm. :)

Macha

@FallenAngelEyes That's ok

FallenAngelEyes

Oh, wanted to ask you about a sentence

Macha

Sure.

FallenAngelEyes

"And of course, if that close to the surface wasn’t good enough for me, it sure as hell won’t be good enough for a grand dining hall." I wasn't really sure what you meant here. Do you mean a room that close to the surface?

Macha

20:54

Yep,

FallenAngelEyes

Ah okay, I was confused.

Macha

Is that in the first or second post?

FallenAngelEyes

Earthdance year 1052, Spring and Summer

Macha

First one so.

Ivo Flipse

who feels like tag-teaming for sc2?

I guess no SC2 player are online or you're all working :P

Macha

21:06

I don't have it, and I'd suck at it anyway,

alexanderpas

seems like @tzenes is not online ;)

tzenes

Back

sorry

Macha

@tzenes I finished the second half of my DF post, and I hope to get an openTTD one done this weekend.

tzenes

nice

I'm excited

Macha

@tzenes Publish it later (not straight away, or we'll have a cluster of posts, then inactivity for a while again).

tzenes

21:08

k

Arda Xi

just schedule it

tzenes

I'll be rolling a History of Pro Starcraft tomorrow

radp

Can you build upwards in DF?

Macha

@badp Yeah, but it's much harder.

alexanderpas

constructions.

tzenes

21:10

you can build stairs and the floors off the sides of stairs

Macha

df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tower#Putting_Everything_Together

tzenes

but it doesn't obey gravity in an intutive way

alexanderpas

you can build walls of the side of the top of the wall "inverted pyramid"

Arda Xi

:172392 Is there anything intuitive about DF?

alexanderpas

:172407 death

Macha

21:18

Anyway, I'm going for today. Bye.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:172407 Fun.,

Fun in DF is intuitive. Kind of.

tzenes

fun is not intuitive, I'd say its just the opposite

LessPop_MoreFizz

Finding your way to fun is intuitive. Realizing what fun is, possibly not.

alexanderpas

:172438 so! true!

tzenes

yeah, I can see that

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:37

gawker.com/5634379/the-secret-dealer-for-farmville-addicts Secret underground farmville black market. Wat.

radp

21:52

Alien Swarm mods make me abandon all hope in humanity

ALL of them involve killing at least 1,000 drones.

WTF, balance for playing on Hard or Brutal, not for Easy play

LessPop_MoreFizz

in fairness, brutal is kinda inherently unbalanced, no?

(I haven't actually touched Brutal, just going by word of mouth on that front.)

radp

Brutal is called imba in the source code

but then again

maybe people just don't realize there is no fun in killing 2,000 of the same thing

There should have been a rule for Alien Swarm mods just like there is one for TrackMania United

if you the map maker can't finish the course you don't get to publish it.

FallenAngelEyes

@Macha: Editing passthrough done :)

Went through @alexanderpas's as well

LessPop_MoreFizz

I need to decide where I want to preorder New Vegas from

COASTERS.

on the one hand, if I order from Gamestop, I get badass vault suit type stuff in game. On the other hand, if I order from Best Buy, they're giving out fucking vault boy coasters

FallenAngelEyes

22:08

I hate retailer specific preorder bonuses

2

such bullshit, imo

LessPop_MoreFizz

I hate them, but at the same time, I covet them so.

PIP BOY

FallenAngelEyes

It makes it so smaller, non-big chain retailers lose out on money because they're not big enough to sponsor those offers :/

I'm thankful they don't really exist here in the NL, as there aren't really any single chains that are big enough

LessPop_MoreFizz

smaller retailers flat out don't carry boxed PC games anyway because they're so low margin and such high risk (theft, scam returns, etc.)

tzenes

22:36

I'd honestly prefer digital download

LessPop_MoreFizz

:172697 In general I do too, but in this case, I want the fancy physical collectors edition stuff

(Deck of cards, poker chips, comic)

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, I like boxed CE's

LessPop_MoreFizz

I really like Fallout, and the fallout art in particular.

FallenAngelEyes

I'm getting the Civ V collector's edition \o/

LessPop_MoreFizz

most of the time, I prefer buying games through Steam etc. when I can because, fuck yea, who needs to leave the house?

FallenAngelEyes

22:42

I don't really use digital distribution much, myself, I like having the boxes.

LessPop_MoreFizz

see, the Civ 5 CE doesn't thrill me.

tzenes

There was a funny story about the Halo CE

alexanderpas

Boxed Collectors Edition > steam > cd > retailer specific bonus

Arda Xi

:172653 The only chains I could think of that would be big enough would be FRS or Dixons maybe

tzenes

so I'm not sure if you know this but Halo's full title is: Halo Combat Evolved, and it was abbreviated on the box as Halo:CE

LessPop_MoreFizz

22:42

I just don't particularly want pewter mini's and an art book. Particularly Civ art, which has never been why I care for the games.

tzenes

so the collectors addition was marketed as: Halo:CE Collectors Edition

FallenAngelEyes

I'm a sucker for art books :(

LessPop_MoreFizz

Oh I remember that fiasco

FallenAngelEyes

I almost got the Bioshock 2 CE just for that

radp

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/226/game-recommendations

We have it on the top bar and yet no regular is there...

Arda Xi

22:43

I should be

LessPop_MoreFizz

See, I'd go for a bioshock art book

I like art books in general

but I have to care about the art.

radp

:172724 you were indeed

LessPop_MoreFizz

On a related note, have you seen the Bioshock Infinite magazine covers?

for GameInformer?

Arda Xi

Plenty of regulars there actually

alexanderpas

:172722 I don't see @Mana here, yet I see @Mana over there

LessPop_MoreFizz

22:45

because they're freaking amazing.

FallenAngelEyes

Wow.

alexanderpas

wished they did that with fallout...

LessPop_MoreFizz

there were two others

lemme find them

alexanderpas

but yeah, freaking amazing.

LessPop_MoreFizz

101arena.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/…

complete with mock ad

alexanderpas

22:47

LessPop_MoreFizz

101arena.wordpress.com/2010/09/05/…

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, I really like their art deco style

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yeah, I didn't like Bioshock 2, but I'm super-psyched for Infinite.

incidentally, Infinite is by the team that made the first game

so I guess it shouldn't be so surprising.

gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/04/… nice hi-res versions of all three

dunno why that took so long to find

radp

So when are we deciding our site name? I'm itching to create our steam group.

FallenAngelEyes

There's already an existing one

radp

22:53

<.<

Link?

alexanderpas

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Q: Steam Community Group

Gaming Stack Exchange Steam Community Group Enables us to communicate even while playing, and play games together. (Jeff will be made Owner if he joins, and ♦ on the site should be Officers)

discussion steam

FallenAngelEyes

steamcommunity.com/groups/stackexchange

radp

So the group is stuck with that name. Oh well.

alexanderpas

:172761 call it a temporary group ;)

radp

:172763 With so many people it'd suck to disband it :)

alexanderpas

22:57

:172764 Three step process, I've done it before.

radp

kk

anyway -- nite

LessPop_MoreFizz

Yeah, It's not a big deal to redo a group to get a new name

alexanderpas

the most work is sending the invites for the new group...

step 1: close group for general public & Post an announcement.

step 2: (optional) Send an invite for the new group to every group member.

step 3: (after some time) Kick everyone out, and leave, disbanding the group

Ivo Flipse

23:53

Note to self: don't play SC2 challenges on windowed mode

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