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21:00
@Ullallulloo Yeah, but it's not actually making any sound. Whatever, It will come back at midnight tonight when it reimages the PC.
@Powerlord I don't see how. My point is that free software is not necessarily worse.
The audio on these machine seems particularly fucked up. Maybe it's because they're iMacs
All it takes it for the market to get used to free software in a certain market.
4 mins ago, by Arda Xi
Can you imagine paying for a web browser?
That was your point; the one I was replying to anyway.
@Powerlord That was a rhetorical question.
The point behind it was that certain markets would never sustain paid alternatives.
21:01
@ArdaXi And yet, Opera survived in that market for years.
@Powerlord Yes, but its business model never will again.
Nobody in their right mind would pay for a web browser right now.
Nor would they for a text editor, but, well...
@ArdaXi Uh, Microsoft Office?
@GnomeSlice As far as I am aware, there is no text editor in the Office suite.
You're thinking of a word processor.
@ArdaXi ...Microsoft Word...
Oh.
I guess so.
A text editor is Notepad, or Vim, or emacs, or Sublime Text.
21:05
@ArdaXi Opera still survives in the embedded market, and this is actually where the majority of their profits come from.
(With which, by the way, I was making the point that people who pay for Sublime Text are not in their right mind.)
@Powerlord You keep redefining the argument to suit yours. It's annoying.
You know I wasn't talking about the embedded market.
@ArdaXi Okay, then Adobe Dreamweaver
@Powerlord It was freemium for a long while, actually
@GnomeSlice That's a web development application.
It just wasn't called freemium (or, well, free but ad-supported)
21:07
ROFL: Excerpt from the editor selected comment -> Does selling DRM'ed stuff ruin their reputation? Perhaps it does for anal completionists. The site is pretty clear you're getting Steam Keys for Windows. Unless you insist on owning every Humble Bundle, you simply avoid this one.
@ArdaXi It's a glorified text editor
@GnomeSlice It's also WYSIWYG.
@James They've given out tons of steam keys in past bundles...
@ArdaXi Not when working with php, for example. And so? It's still a text editor.
But yes, I knew what you meant.
@GnomeSlice Not exclusively.
@GnomeSlice It's not just a text editor.
@ArdaXi What?
21:08
That's like saying Windows is a text editor because it includes Notepad.
I'm reminded for no particular reason that people also call Opera Mini a glorified bitmap viewer, except it's nothing like it
Oh maybe you replied to the wrong message.
@GnomeSlice I didn't.
@badp Not until Opera 8.5, though
21:08
@GnomeSlice Previous bundles did not give out Steam keys in lieu of direct downloads.
@GnomeSlice I am glad to see Humble Bundle doing a AAA bundle instead of just popular indie games in all honesty.. I am just glad the top picked editor comment also agreed with that stance :)
@fbueckert He's serious, and I don't get why he has so many downvotes.
@James Eh, I don't have a problem with the new one, but their whole thing is that they try to put great indie games out there.
@GnomeSlice Because he's abusing the system and ignoring reasons as to why he shouldn't be doing that?
@fbueckert It was deleted because he used a youtube video as reference.
Although he's not handling it very well.
@fbueckert Depends what you mean by trolling, I suppose. What you see there is just kind of what he does.
21:11
@BenBrocka You mean he's active on more sites?
@fbueckert I hear lots about him from physics and skeptics
@ArdaXi Also the music downloads aren't provided in torrent format this time
@GnomeSlice Yeah, over and over again, hehe. I am glad to see them branching out is all I might have to pay them more attention in the future :)
If you haven't seen it, his profile messages are real gems
@James Did you not notice the name 'humble indie bundle'?
I think it's pretty hard to miss
21:12
@BenBrocka Guh. I think I have to find more of his posts.
Because I suspect they'll fulfill my facedesk quota nicely.
Anyway, that guy has a point, you shouldn't just delete shit immediately like that if you aren't happy with the citations, you should downvote it.
@fbueckert You could begin fulfilling your facedesk quota with "the'll"
@GnomeSlice I see 'Humble Bundle' as the name of the website.. I see the names of bundles they ahve offered in the past contain the word 'Indie' in them where this one contains 'THQ' instead.. but yeah.. I do not see Indie as part of their base name.
@badp Har har
@GnomeSlice His "references" as such, were explicitly disallowed by the community as a whole.
@GnomeSlice This is just a guy asking for Policy change, and the community telling him 'No, this is the way it should be' The system is working they way it should.
21:14
@fbueckert see his physics/skeptics meta posts
And he just goes, "I don't believe in authority, so it doesn't apply to me."
oh hey, less shitty icon for itunes 11
@fbueckert I don't have time to try to find where this is proven, so can you just show me.
Because I didn't know that.
@GnomeSlice It's in the meta post I linked.
Read it, dude.
iTunes 11 open for 5 seconds before locking up. weee
21:16
@fbueckert I did, just none of the replies.
Ah
@fbueckert So... you agree that moderators should just delete answers like that instead of just having the community downvote them?
In that case, can we ban Youtube videos in Arqade answers and then delete any answers that include Youtube videos?
@Powerlord Depends. If it doesn't follow the rules the community itself has agreed on, it's perfectly valid to delete it.
I still think it should be downvoted for being unreferenced and not deleted outright.
When it's the whole point of the site? pretty much
@Powerlord I'm actually wholly behind that proposal!
21:18
@fbueckert Next up: Banning GameFAQs links. And Google links. And... and... deleting all answers because answers are now banned!
@Powerlord Yay! A site with no content!
I can die happy!
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A: Skeletons in portal 2?

Raven Dreamer"Clean out the skeletons" is likely not referring to actual test subjects in this case, but rather the English idiom of "having skeletons in one's closet". The implication is that he is discovering all these things he didn't know about (or was otherwise repressing his knowledge of) for the first...

This isn't sourced.
@BenBrocka I'm beginning to think Skeptics is a poor fit for StackExchange.
Should we delete it?
@GnomeSlice We are not Skeptics. AFAIK, those rules were agreed upon by the community.
21:20
@GnomeSlice @OrigamiRobot said it before I could.
@OrigamiRobot Those rules are basically the founding principles of the site
@OrigamiRobot Do I need to look up what the global StackExchange rules say?
Which also apply to Skeptics since it's part of SE?
Oh please, we have a fucking shitload of questions that don't follow the rules agreed upon by our community that don't even get downvoted, much less deleted.
@GnomeSlice Such as?
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Q: How Large is the Wurm Client?

GnomeSliceThe game client download from the Wurm Online site appears to be a downloader. Unfortunately, there's no way to tell the filesize of the actual game client. Does anyone know roughly how big it is?

That one did get closed
4
Q: How big is the Portal 2 download from Steam?

leecbakerI'm currently in a country where internet access is expensive (New Zealand), and I'm curious if I'll be able to download Portal 2. How big is the download in Steam?

But that one didn't.
So it probably should be.
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Q: In the Portal games, what is the testing all about?

MihaiWhat was Aperture science really going for, with those "test chambers"? Was it an experiment in human cognition, like a rat maze? Were they testing the portal device? GlaDOS's AI? Cubes and buttons? And what does it all have to do with shower curtains or Pentagon defense contracts?

That one has no way to irrefutably answer it.
21
Q: How do I mod GLaDOS's voice in Portal 1?

millenomiAs a pet project, I would like to use the original Portal to introduce people to gaming. However, I live in Italy and Italians are culturally not very comfortable with subtitles (not to mention the fact that subtitle players need to be fast readers, as Italian is on average longer than the equi...

Isn't that too localized?
21:22
@GnomeSlice But we are not trying to find exact evidence to prove or disprove something that is the basis of Skeptics.
@James True, but we still don't like complete speculation in our answers.
@Powerlord Skeptics is different from the other SE sites, we do delete answers without references. Usually though you get a "citation needed" banner and we only delete later. This is a case where the user explicitly says that he won't add references, which is the reason why the waiting time is skipped
@GnomeSlice But we do allow individuals to post their knowledge instead of cited only information... We are a different site than Skeptics man, you can not hold that site up to our policies.
@James I understand that, but that particular question/answer is pretty bad.
@MadScientist Which just makes me think even more that Skeptics is a poor fit for the StackExchange network.
21:24
@GnomeSlice VTC it then, or flag it for attention.. maybe our mods are a slackin :)
Also, why do I see no close votes on the 'how big is the download' one I linked.
@GnomeSlice Close votes expire.
@Powerlord Not all sites need to have identical rules, and Skeptics seems to work pretty well so far
@GnomeSlice I believe they get reset after so much time
@OrigamiRobot @badp I mean I just linked it.
Why aren't there more on it now.
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21:26
@GnomeSlice Cause I personally do not care so I never clicked any of them :D (And maybe I am not alone, has the view counts gone up since you linked them?)
@GnomeSlice Because I can't get to the main site from work
@James Why do you have to respond to every single thing with snark, I wasn't addressing you and only you.
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Q: Half-Life / Portal Story Loophole?

m.n.wiserOk, so Black Mesa and Aperture Science were competing to discover and develop portal technology along with getting government funds. This "competition rush" caused the Black Mesa Incident and the Borealis accident. So, my question is: How could Black Mesa and Aperture Science be in this competiti...

@MadScientist And yet, this particular rule seems to go against the "The ideal moderator does as little as possible." rule from "A Theory of Moderation", the document that governs moderators across the entire SE network.
What the fuck, discussion question
@GnomeSlice Odd, addressing everyone and then shunning the person who actually responds to you.
Ill let ya just talk to the wind man.. Have fun.
21:33
@Powerlord Yes, though that is more of an implementation issue. Non-mods can't add the citation needed notice and there aren't enough 20k users yet on Skeptics. Doesn't mean that could change in the future
> I have no PhD, I am almost entirely self taught. I like physics, but I think the professionals are, for the most part, completely incompetent. I have a lot of my own personal theories about physics which I like to spread online. I am unemployed and not by choice. Despite this, I consider myself to be the next Isaac Newton.
Wow, that's hubris.
@GnomeSlice There are a couple of important things here. First, an example of inconsistency exists on the site does not imply malevolence or double standard. We are not a hive mind. Things fall through the cracks. There are lots of questions from when the site was in beta that should be closed now. They are still open because they were allowed at the time and no one has found them to close them yet.
Second, not everyone agrees on every single question. Granted, I can't see the entire question, but the possibility exists that not everyone agrees it is close worthy. It happens all the time.
@Powerlord Global StackExchange rules say good subjective questions are allowed. Can you name one exception?
Hint: S _ _ _ _ O _ _ _ _ _ _ _
@badp Is this hangman rules or wheel of fortune rules?
@OrigamiRobot You can't buy vowels
21:39
Does that mean they are free?
@OrigamiRobot I'm not giving them at all
You already have an "O"
I AM FIRST WAIT YOUR TURN
21:41
@Ullallulloo ಠ_ಠ
@OrigamiRobot Don't worry. I've got you covered!
@OrigamiRobot FINE. I HOPE YOU LAND ON BANKRUPT.
Ooo, ooo, is there a ಠ?
Thank you Prime Minister
21:41
@badp If you're arguing to me that Programmers should never have been split from SO, you're preaching to the choir.
@ArdaXi Sorry, no ಠ_ಠs
@badp Oh. Wrong reply button.
Is there a π?
@Powerlord I'm just stating "global rules" aren't necessarily enforced everywhere
That's not a pi. Stupid font
21:42
@BenBrocka It is, just the other case than you're used to.
@BenBrocka YES THERE ARE FIVE THOUSAND YOU WIN FOREVER
Can I buy an Elder Sign?
@Wipqozn, ask me if I'm excited about christmas.
@OrigamiRobot You'll have to wait until @BenBrocka is done winning forever.
@Ullallulloo I copied the lower case. That is not the lower case
21:44
@badp You never even answered my first guess!
THIS GAME IS RIGGED
Your guess was so wrong time warped around it
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@ArdaXi! ಠ_ಠ's for everyone!
@badp @BenBrocka @agent86 @Ullallulloo @Powerlord @fbueckert @MadScientist @James ಠ_ಠ
@ArdaXi Why am I getting stared at?
1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot
@ArdaXi! ಠ_ಠ's for everyone!
21:47
2 days ago, by OrigamiRobot
This pleases OrigamiRobot.
We aim to please.
@ArdaXi huh what who? geez, people, stop waking me up when I'm sleeping at the controls. sheesh. zzzzzz
@ArdaXi Stop it. It's creepy.
I miss my "clear stars" button
Don't make me pull out my shotgun!
@fbueckert ಠ_ಠ
@ArdaXi Boo.
@fbueckert ಥ_ಥ
ignores @ArdaXi
21:49
@BenBrocka The only reason I'm watching your cat videos is I'm waiting for you to set Parker on fire already
Parker's not a bandit
@ArdaXi How dare you sir! That is my look of disapproval! And I have absolutely no context as to why you are giving it to me and so many others :D
@BenBrocka That never stopped a True Vault Hunter.
4 mins ago, by Arda Xi
1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot
@ArdaXi! ಠ_ಠ's for everyone!
@ArdaXi You take orders from @OrigamiRobot??
21:51
@badp Mordecai would never snipe his own bird
@BenBrocka His own bird flies too fast to be sniped.
@James Yes.
@ArdaXi Duly noted :)
@James I am the founder of robot and @ArdaXi is my Prime Minister of ಠ_ಠ
woo
21:52
(Except when it is really weak, wink wink.)
I now have 100% on daily achievements
@OrigamiRobot I'm a robot!
@badp pft I could snipe that thing, especially when it's coming back
@BenBrocka HATE rakks.
@pixel What game?
21:53
@OrigamiRobot And now I know this :)
@BenBrocka The thing would just warp around your bullet.
Rakk are lame. They're like the only thing that doesn't scream when they're on fire. It's like, what's the point?
I figure it's not Mists of Pandailya.
@Powerlord Guild Wars 2
I've already done MoP
bored of that
@James @AshleyNunn is in charge of cupcakes and @InvaderSkoodge is the Chief Inspector of Idiocy
21:54
@pixel I've just heard stories about how MoP turns into a slew of daily quests.
@OrigamiRobot @AshleyNunn is a robot?
I'm a robot!
@James Being a robot is not a requirement to be a citizen
Besides, Blizzard caps Daily Quests in WoW, so 100% is impossible. :P
@Powerlord Yep, moment I realised that was the case I quit playing
@Powerlord wrong, cap was removed in MoP
21:55
@OrigamiRobot Oooh.. Need a Snark of Snarkiness then? :D
@OrigamiRobot Ew. Humans.
user15026
@James I guess so. I just like making cupcakes.
@pixel Seriously? No more 25 limit?
MoP turned into 60-80 dailies per day
yep, no more cap on daily quests
@James Do you meet the requirements for citizenship?
21:55
@pixel Holy crap. I thought it was just people complaining about having to do 25 to get anywhere at level 90
nope
for progression is was basically required that you did 60-80 per day
at least until you had normal mode gear in every slot
plus the crafting recipes and enchanting recipes were gated behind a first or second tier of dailies
Nov 7 at 21:14, by OrigamiRobot
To be a citizen of robot, you have to be:
1. Not @Wipqozn
2. Fuck it lists are hard. You're in.
so you had to do 2-6 weeks of dailies to get the best in slot enchants
think it was like 5 or something stupid
I've already started purging all of my WoW knowledge
@OrigamiRobot I never heard there were any before now :O
@pixel And here I thought Blizzard's other decisions were boneheaded.
21:58
@James You don't get to pick your own title, though.
@Powerlord In fairness, the first few weeks of it were perfectly tolerable
the quests were interesting enough and there were enough of them in loop that you didn't end up doing the same quests every day
This is true, You must show merit and earn your title.
Okay, Red Faction Armageddon starts on a nice note
It's going to be absolutely ages until I get to level 80 in GW2
It tells you to look up and decides whether you want your mouse controls inverted or not based on what you do
That was kind of clever.
22:00
@InvaderSkoodge Yeah but clearly I am only good at being snarky :)
@James I disagree.
Snide = contemptuous of those with lower intellect than yourself.
@InvaderSkoodge k, What else am I good at?
Sarcastic is more obvious.
I have never seen you be either of those things.
I don't know what you are good at, but being snarky is not it.
There must be something!
LoL
I am not sure if I should say thanks or not :D
22:01
The title of Supreme Snarker is reserved for @GraceNote anyway.
Should she ever decide to join.
@InvaderSkoodge There, this is me:
@James is Herald of Himself.
@OrigamiRobot Hmm I am once again not sure if I should say thanks with a :) or a :(/:P ... Representitives of Robot are starting to shake my desire to be a member
The best robots are logical.
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22:19
@agent86 Are excited for Christmas, nemesis?
@Ullallulloo That's a rude thing to say.
@Wipqozn Yeah...
@OrigamiRobot This is true. I think gaming does a pretty good job of managing content.
@badp Hah, that's cool
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Q: What do i need to make an Homebrew Nintendo DS

Memor-Xi've been thinking about getting Love Plus because i only just learned that there is an English patch for it, from what i read i need a "Homebrew" DS to run the patched version naturally i have no idea what this is, the only translation patches i've used are for visual novels on a computer, not ...

22:22
@agent86 That cat is so grumpy.
@Lazers Get a DS, yeast, 15 gallon drum. Mix with water, distill until the water takes on the same color as the DS' paint
Enjoy responsibly
@Lazers Not sure if those tags are okay.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh, so yours gets pinned. Okay.
I already know I won't like Company of Heroes.
22:27
@GnomeSlice Because I have a pin button and literally just walked in from a day of work and have not been following chat all day.
I vaguely want Darksiders.
Sell me on Metro 2033 and Red Faction.
I don't know anything about those.
@LessPop_MoreFizz ddsdasdcwacawec
I already own Metro 2033 and Darksiders, but I'm never going to be able to download them.
Also I already own SR3.
@InvaderSkoodge Want to split it? I want SR3.
@InvaderSkoodge Did you play/like any of the STALKER games?
22:28
@LessPop_MoreFizz No and N/A
@GnomeSlice I'm pretty sure I can get the games I want for as little as I want to pay.
That's true.
@GnomeSlice Also you'll never be able to download SR3.
@InvaderSkoodge What about Fallout3/New vegas?
22:28
Nevermind.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Nope, never played them
@InvaderSkoodge I was afraid of that, how big is it?
@GnomeSlice Very.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I got Darksiders last year at GG and it's over 10Gb
Fuck that.
@InvaderSkoodge You are making it hard for me. Basically, Metro 2033 is a super-dark, narrative heavy shooter with some RPG elements.
22:29
> Warning! Please note that orders under $1.00 will ONLY receive the soundtracks and will NOT receive the games!
That's lame.
Red Faction is a sandbox that lets you run aruond and be an asshole.
@GnomeSlice I will try to remember to watch these in a half hour when I get home.
I think for $1 it's probably worth it to just try them.
@InvaderSkoodge red faction Guerrilla was awesome. You broke stuff and lots of stuff was breakable. I recommend it if you like breaking things. In summary, break things.
> Both RFG and RFA are great. But RFG had multiplayer that was descent, and you just felt more epic when bringing a building down. You were a guerrilla ninja carrying explosives and Thor's hammer. ...RFA made up for all that with cheats and the pony that can shoot lasers out of its ass.
According to youtube.
lolololol
@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh, is it? I didn't realize it was a sandbox game... now I really want to try it.
22:35
I spent $1 and gave 0% of it to THQ.
I feel good about that.
You guys don't like THQ either?
@GnomeSlice I think Armageddon isn't, Guerrilla is. I think. I know Guerrilla was but stuff say the newer one wasn't
@BenBrocka was?
@InvaderSkoodge I expect a lot of that on this one
@GnomeSlice is, whatever
I would give money to the devs if they were indie devs.
22:37
@GnomeSlice It's the previous game.
@BenBrocka Is it or isn't it, you said you don't think it is, and then you said it is.
@InvaderSkoodge Just because they're bigger doesn't make them bad though.
@Ullallulloo 'stuff says the newer one was'
@GnomeSlice oh
@GnomeSlice oh, no. New one isn't sandbox best I can tell
22:39
@BenBrocka Still has the cool building destruction though, right?
This is a quite unusual humble bundle
@Ullallulloo Sort of. It's underground but there's structures to blow up and stuff. More combat focused than "GTA but you break stuff"
"GTA but you break stuff" is a woefully underrepresented genre
@BenBrocka This is relevant to my interests.
According to Google, Red Faction Guerilla is 75% off on Steam, but it isn't actually.
Thanks Google, that's like the third time you've done that this week.
Oh man, this looks awesome.
@GnomeSlice Why are you trusting the google page listing for steam prices. Do you know how google works.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Yes. And it's usually right. But no, I get why it's incorrect.
I was just excited.
22:45
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I dare anyone to stare at that for 30 seconds and not grin
Guys, guys! Train Simulator 12 is Steam's Daily Deal! Better snap it up!
@James I lasted less than a second.
@fbueckert I think I got to 3 :)
@GnomeSlice Also, on what planet would you expect '75% off on Steam' to be cheaper than '1 dollar and it also comes with Metro 2033'
@LessPop_MoreFizz Wrong Red Faction.
Also, I have Darksiders and Metro already, got them in a GG bundle a while ago. Never even tried to download Metro, and Darksiders is 10 GB
@GnomeSlice that game is a one dimensional bullet hell. Surprisingly fun...but I quit very quickly
22:46
@BenBrocka Looks neat, but like it might get old quickly.
@GnomeSlice rev up a DS download man even if it takes a month, its worth it
@GnomeSlice They Demo was 4gb and Very much worth it
@James I can't just tie up my family's internet for a month.
I do have 1.5 GB downloaded though
@GnomeSlice Pop it active when you go to sleep stop it when ya wake up?
@James My dad just disables my internet when I do that because he gets up at like 5 AM
@GnomeSlice Within 5 minutes you will love it, hate it or like the idea but totally give up playing
22:49
@GnomeSlice try and work out an acceptable resolution?
1920x1080's not bad
@BenBrocka :P
Hmm. Miner Wars doesn't like being alt-tabbed
K peese guys.
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Q: Is There Any Way to Play Through the Game Again Without Losing all of my Robos/Setups?

GnomeSliceI beat Custom Robo a long, long time ago. Unfortunately, once you beat it, there's not much to do buy walk around the town battling the same people over and over again. Even worse, the game only has one save file. I'd like a way to start over again, but I really don't want to lose my parts, or...

Happily, he sucks at doing it right, so let's murder it before he does.
22:56
@LessPop_MoreFizz This seems like something that might interest you possibly fastcodesign.com/1671328/…
> WTB SledgeHammer 2 Open Microwave. . . .DING. . . .GZ
wut?

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