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00:01
Ah, awesome, sounds like a purchase for me (when I have some time to play it)
 
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09:41
10% off VVVVVV till the 14th.
oh, lovely, there's even a demo!
lol, you and your ascii art games :P
Not ascii art
lol, the web site for the game is www.thelettervsixtim.es
haha
argh Python is driving me nuts again
:(
it seems matplotlib (for plotting) hasn't been updated with the newest 3d plots
so you have to manually update it
which is a pain in the ass if your not using all these linux-wannabe tools like cygwin and what not
09:59
you mean it's a pain under Linux?
:P
no I mean it's a pain under Windows if they don't supply me an installer
10:31
I mean, VVVVVV comes with shiny trinkets
Twenty shiny trinkets.
and a death counter to taunt you.
 
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Oak
12:32
Oh come on gaming, 30 minutes in and no close vote yet?
I left a comment!
ah well you got me, vote to close
Oak
Yea and I agree with you, that question is doomed
Oak
I just want to avoid 1-vote-closing if I can
the worst thing is: there is no answer since there is no WoW for Xbox
so there won't be a better answer either
12:48
:163708 I have an exam on the 10th and am trying to study for a change :)
Oak
Excuses excuses :)
Oak
good luck though
Voted to close on that one
and good afternoon all
Oak
g'afternoon
Man waking up with a bloody nose is a crappy way to wake up
13:12
today is a good day already
woke up to a notification that new Mac Mini will be here this afternoon, and a Cataclysm beta key. :)
I get emails for a Cataclysm beta key all the time and I've never played WoW :P
Grats though :D
nice
are you sure it's a real email @FallenAngelEyes
It's not, that's my point ;)
ah right :P
13:31
Anyone seen @Macha about recently?
Would a question about circumventing DRM to move media onto a different device be kosher on SuperUser? Don't use the site enough to know the stance on that stuff.
what media onto what device?
Want to put an Adobe Digital Edition ebook onto my Kindle.
In that case I would allow it
and the answer is most likely Calibre
13:38
I want to buy the book, but the only electronic version is ADE
does Calibre do DRM circumvention?
I thought it was just a file manager
no it does conversion too
in the Netherlands the big retailers don't sell Kindle-compatible books
so I need to convert EVERYTHING
I reckon it works for ADE too
but feel free to ask it (though make sure you mention you want to read it on Kindle cross-platform, not just the 'gadget')
Did an editing passthrough on all the current blog posts so far \o/
geez, just looked and the e-book version is also 12 bucks more than just buying a hardcopy on amazon
:(
what book?
13:44
Cyclonopedia
nope, don't have it :P
"Reading Negarestani is like being converted to Islam by Salvador Dali." when that's the blurb on the book, you know it's getting off on the right foot IMO.
Downvoter
@Oak ping
Downvoter
ah, he's not here
Downvoter
Have you given your feedback? meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/978/…
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13:55
oh can we pin starred questions now @JuanManuel?
My feedback is, "give 'em badges"
Downvoter
:163945 room owners can
«Competitor», «Challenger» and obviously «Winrar»
I like special badges too, though I'm not 100% if they would get implemented
Downvoter
:163970 I highly doubt it
14:03
but if they give each site a couple of special badges, that the admins can rename, that would be very cool :P
Downvoter
I would leave the site itself alone
$1000 is easier to get than custom badges?
Downvoter
yes @badp
well if it breaks the site it is @badp :P
Downvoter
... specially if you have 6 millions in funding :)
14:05
though on the other hand: what a crappy implementation if you can't add more badges with a little flexibility
I'd love to have something like this: wowwiki.com/Feats_of_Strength_achievements
so there's just these special occasions or where somebody did something special, where you can award him something unique
Downvoter
I think the spirit of badges is that anyone can get them
Downvoter
(Except for the beta badge of course)
not everyone will ever be able to get [epic]
14:25
Holy mother of mercy! I need to get me one of those!
:164104 link?
just click the image for the specs
though it's called Origin's Big O I think
 
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17:32
Microsoft will announce its instant search next week: Bada Bing.
Jin
Jin
17:56
hi fellas
i just made the post on meta.gaming.
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Q: Design Ideas for Gaming Site (updated with screenshots v2)

JinHi all. I'm Jin and I'll be working on the designs for the Stack Exchange sites as they graduate from the beta phase. Each site will have its own unique theme that will reflects its topic. However, all sites will share quite a bit of common elements so they feel like they're part of the Stack Exc...

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ping @tzenes
PONG
tada! been experimenting with finding the 'toes' on the paws
pretty
I simply checked for maximums for each row and column, seems that they match the toes pretty well (if I leave out the ones where the max = 0)
18:02
:165105 FYI, the most voted, available domain name so far is "ThatOneLevel", which may affect your choice of font
I would do a basic threshold too
Quicksave has more votes but also is in use afaik.
anything <50% is ignored
well I tried something like that
but 50% seems a bit harsh
were you using a logrithmic scale?
18:03
the hind paws tend to have very little pressure on the 4th toe, so they would be erased
nope, it's pure newton's/cm^2
Jin
Jin
ok. yeah as i said, the name isn't final. but i think the font can be applied to whatever title, assuming the community loves the retro-classic idea.
your data should approximate a poisson distribution, so you'll want to use percentile instead of straight 50%
logarithmic matches that decently
@Jin I would be surprised if the community did not love it
Just mentioning so you can get an idea of spaces when you start mocking up
Jin
Jin
i spent a lot of time thinking about the Gaming theme.. it's rather hard. i can't use copyright images. also a pile of game controllers is pretty cliche, also not very timeless.
so i decided to go with the retro theme.
I think the coins are a nice touch because its evocative of things like Mario as much as games like World of Warcraft
Jin
Jin
18:06
i'm so tempted to do an all dark theme... but i just don't think it works well with readability. people are so used to big dark text on light background these days.
for me the most important thing would be that it should be readable
Jin
Jin
@tzenes yeah! i want people to feel like they're earning points/badges in a game.
Jin
Jin
@ivo that's my #1 concern. the site has to be readable.
Epicadvice looks terribad
18:08
zergoverflow tags are also hardly readable.
Zergoverflow is decent, but largely because of the texture
I do like the way they changed tags for classes and faction
yeah, its hard to read
Jin
Jin
well, that's the thing, if this site is for a specific game, e.g. WoW then I can cheat on usability a bit because of the targeted audience. but our gaming site is very broad..
:165149 Actually, the texture fooled me into looking for black text around the page that actually isn't there
18:09
though actually look at Super User, that text also looks a bit pixelated, so perhaps with the right font size, it might not be so bad
I think a pixelated look is universally enough correlated with computer entertainment.
though it shouldn't look childish either
@badp I didn't have that problem, but I have bad eyes, so I never look for black text on dark backgrounds
Jin
Jin
well, i don't think i'll use a pixelated font for question header text
because it may not look good when repeated on a listing page
I was thinking about those isometric city pictures, but they'd fit horribly with the page layout.
Jin
Jin
18:10
lemme show you a font i do have in mind for question titles..
Finding a font that couples well with a pixelated one could be a challenge...
@Ivo, can you pin this?
I was wondering what it would look like if you made the things like: Questions, Active, Users, Interesting Tags as pixelated
You wouldn't just use futura?
pin what @badp
his link is to a comment
Jin
Jin
18:12
user image
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It's called Orbitron, a free display type font. theleagueofmoveabletype.com/fonts/12-orbitron
that looks like someone ran over it with an unsharpened mask
Jin
Jin
the file size is very small, I can font-face it
oh, that looks nice
it definitely feels like an old 2806
Jin
Jin
for body text, i'll stick with a web safe font that's easy to read
That looks nice. I guess standard Arial for post text, however?
Jin
Jin
18:14
@badp i'm not certain yet. but it will be an easy to read font.
@badp what did you want pinned? I changed myself to room owner just for now
That font looks great for headers/ui elements.
in Gaming on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 8 at 17:58, by Gaming Meta
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Q: Design Ideas for Gaming Site

JinHi all. I'm Jin and I'll be working on the designs for the Stack Exchange sites as they graduate from the beta phase. Each site will have its own unique theme that will reflects its topic. However, all sites will share quite a bit of common elements so they feel like they're part of the Stack Exc...

So fonts would look approximately like this?
(Not sure why I picked SO to do this)
(The actual fonts I picked, Visitor and Oblivious, are different from Jin's choices.)
Jin
Jin
@badp is that Orbitron? looks different.
Had I had Orbitron I could've put it in there :)
Jin
Jin
18:19
download it! it's free :)
i posted the link above
oh?
Jin
Jin
i like this font a lot, because 1) it's free to distribute, can be font-faced without legal issues. 2) it's computery, but it's also "soft" and lovable imo
yup totally agree
I'm going to be honest with you: Orbitron looks terrible on my browser
Jin
Jin
i updated the post with that font sample
at what size?
most font-face fonts look terrible in smaller size, due to hinting. but a lot are nice at bigger size.
18:24
I'll give you a ss
Orbitron in (excessive) action
Auch, you would have to tweak the distance between chars
LD looks horrible
Let me guess, @tzenes: firefox?
yeah
also, why is the 'n' taller than 'e' and 'a'?
Yeah, its font face support is not great
Jin
Jin
18:26
i'll definitely do exntensive browser/os testing when i'm in css conversion mode. and only the question header text will be in oribtron
but IF it doesn't work out, i can fall back to something else.
Of the combos I've tried, FF on Windows has the worst rendering of font-face, Chrome on Linux has the best
Jin
Jin
can you guys bump up the question header text by 2 sizes?
(Mac N/A)
Jin
Jin
fonts look nice on a Mac. :) although Atwood would disagree...
18:28
Bringing it to 14pt actually makes it worse for me :)
Jin
Jin
ok. well i'll be sure to test it before it's final.
(It should make absolutely no difference, but I'm using Ubuntu 10.10)
I'm on Win7, FF 3.5
I can test rhel too
Jin
Jin
18:39
gaming is harder to design than Webapps. :)
Game developers, Ubuntu may be trickier also...
Jin
Jin
oh yeah i don't even know where to start with that one
Maybe you could do the light theme version of Gaming.
SO palette and Gaming flair.
Jin
Jin
I think some sites will use more generic, non themed templates
User Interface may also very well remain as it is...
18:44
though I guess 3d modelling isn't the most used tag on game dev, using polygon things as a style would probably fit just fine
Jin
Jin
for game dev, maybe wireframe mesh, 'n codes
that's some weird date format @badp :)
Quoting,
> Obviously in countries like America - where they can't write the date properly - they have a little longer to wait for this Sequential Day.
Jin
Jin
you mean there are countries outside of the US of A?
why would they wait longer? didn't they have it in august?
wasn't it August 9?
18:49
:165353 Canada
Yeah, we had it last month
:165363 you mean the 51st state?
also, file this under obvious:
:165379 that's bull, they say the #1 thing girls like is The Red Sox
only white girls
18:54
> In the course of researching this article and, in particular, comparing white guys to black guys, a handy shortcut occurred to me: If you're trying to figure out if white dudes like something, put fucking in the middle, and say it out loud. If it sounds totally badass, white dudes probably love it.
:165398 screw those bandwagon hoppers, go Yankees
:165411 As a New Yorker, I wholeheartedly agree.
19:16
:165403 The Alicia Keys example is great
:165502 Inappropriate language however.
:165543 Hence I don't quote it :)
Just saying why I removed it.
Ah, right
20:23
oh boy @tzenes just got my ass handed to me as a zerg on that map with the two 'elevated islands'
a terran player built anti-air around his whole base (I mean like 60) and then made a ton of vikings, medi-vac + marines
I made it in his base with roaches at the start, but was just to mess around
ouch
after that I couldn't even touch his base
he just walzed over everything I made
he must have had max units
how did he beat roaches with viking/marine?
I can safe the replay as a lesson
please
I'd love to help if i could
20:25
only 3 roaches and I went for his SCVs
ok, but what did you build after that?
what was your gameplan?
Hi
my economy was great, but I should have pushed out more units
hi Macha
I wanted to go to his base with muta's + those anti-air for his vikings
had like 10 of each, but he already had like 30 vikings
20:26
ah
you went roach into muta
and he countered with vikings
after that I didn't stand a chance, because he would destroy every base I made, so I couldn't spawn enough units and gather more vespeen
I'm starting to get a clearer picture
well the vikings combined with marines on land just rip through my air units
I simply don't know how to 'progress' after that
figured I could mass-roach because I can duck-heal towards his base
but I guess I shouldn't have let him alone in the beginning
And I have to go again. Sorry, thought I had more time.
and made sure I got to max unit count quicker
bye @Macha :)
20:29
Well vikings are annoying vs overlords. Roaches do counter Marines fairly nicely (though not as well as banelings)
it sounds like you could have gone roach/corruptor
but I'll take a look when I get home
corruptor is just the basic anti-air?
or the morphed version
basic aa
it has the corrupt ability
guess I didn't use that at all :(
though they dropped too quick anyway
with the ground support
that's key vs vikings, but ideally you send in the Roaches first
they draw fire from the marines, while your corruptors clean air
Downvoter
20:47
POLL: Did anyone not notice the system message (about the SC2 tournament) in the site?
well I lost again
this time I managed to survive an initial wave
but then he came with Thors 4 medivacs and a load of marines
I just had a bunch of roaches and some muta's + corruptors
ok, you seem to be going roach/muta, are you aware that's not a normal build?
nope, what is?
I guess I could mass up more roaches with Hydralisks
but I have gotten my ass handed to me by air units so often
and marauders can't shoot in the air
but I guess muta's are too vulnerable against a ton of marines
Yahtzee did say the publishers wouldn't have liked his review
Roach/Hydra, and Ling/Muta
usually bling/muta
20:54
I'm not sure if he's ever gone harsher than this...
banelings? those exploding fellows?
yeah
make sure you get the speed upgrade for them too
aren't those crazy expensive?
and I would use those to just bomb my way into their base?
btw I see it @JuanManuel
no and no
blings are 50 for 2 zerglings, and then 25/25 to turn a zergling into a baneling
use them in my base as self defense?
20:57
this works out to 50/25 per banelings
you use banelings to kill marines
thats what they do
get the speed upgrade and the move (DO NOT ATTACK OR ATTACKMOVE) into the marine ball
the marines kill the banelings, the banelings explode
the marines die
Mutalisks rule the world
well next time I'm Zerg I'll try it
-20 for Web Apps
(and -27 for Gaming)
what are you referring to @badp?
:166086 planned end of public beta
when he attacked me @tzenes, he had three medivacs, 4 marauders, 3 hellions and 7 mariens vs me having 7 zerglings, 8 roaches and one spine crawler
ah right, can't wait
though I won't really matter
the site works as it is
21:05
Well, the reputation requirements for everything skyrocketing isn't something I look forward :P
that has nothing to do with the site being live
the site can stay into bootstrap mode until we have a critical mass above 3000 rep
well it seems one of my biggest problems was his 10 marines with 4 medivacs, not really easy to kill (unless you have something like banelings)
It's just incongruous to have a website go "gold" while in bootstrap mode
once gold, the reputation requirements should be more or less final
 
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22:26
@Ivo Roaches actually handle Marines very nicely as the essentially act as big meat shields for yoru zerglings
and banelings just stomp on them
22:37
man I zerg vs terran can suck pretty hard
I shouldn't give them time to built such large armies :(
had a guy who just had like 30 marines and marauders with medivacs
there went anything I had
how do I get into his base when he shields it off?
Yeah that's the $64,000 question
he went with 7 medivacs, 37 marines and 20 marauders
I had 12 zerglings (was planning on making them banelings), 15 hydras, 10 roaches (stopped since I couldn't get in)
but that was when he left the base, so I was transitioning to air
guess I shouldn't have...
Yeah if you have a nice Roach/Hydra force like that, don't go air
get Ultralisks
or just upgrade your force and make it bigger
roach hydra is strong
wow before I had 12 muta's he had 65 marines and 26 marauders
especially if you get roach move and hydra range
22:42
I guess, since I wasted resources on building and upgrading
but 10 medivacs + 65 marines/30 marauders = a pain
how would I have to beat that?
with ultralisk?
banelings mostly
crash the server
always works
I actually tried to get those to him
banelings backed by hydras works nicely, or even zerglings
but 60 marines with STIM one-shot banelings
so I guess I need like 20 or 30 banelings then
22:43
did you burrow them? or drop from overlords?
or flank?
no ran them to them, but all was already lost though
so I burrow them close to where they are likely to drop?
if they're dropping you have to move them
but usually I use them as meat shields for hydras
I lost 40 units in 15 secsonds or so
auch...
they only killed like 10 of his
he had 140 in food, if you had 40 units, thats only 80
his army was almost twice as large as yours
23:01
I only now could see Game On
Didn't like a lot, except for the bit at 2:30
oh I totally owned a protos with marine marauder medivac :P
finally got to abuse it myself
vikings took care of his air
and now it's bedtime!
see you tomorrow
night
23:21
I like Jin's graphics work so far. I was hoping we'd go with an 8-bit look.
Jin
Jin
@JavadocMD well i am going for it :)
:166551 Keep up the good work then. :)
I had an idea
for ThatOneLevel the logo should be something that is symbolic of, you know, a level
nothing symbolizes better the sweat of getting to the end of a level than an end-of-level castle
Jin
Jin
"the answer is in another castle"
actually one of my domain suggestions was TheRightCastle.com
23:25
:166557 This should be the default comment when you vote to close as duplicate.
this idea could be made much worse by extending it into the page, where the landmarks are the caste's merlon, the castle body is the page and the top bar is the sky
and the footer is a patch of grass
it's such a horrible idea somebody must have implemented it somewhere.
Jin
Jin
i actually thought about it... i even thought about making the cloud in the header and the bushes in the footer to have the exact same sprite..
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:D
:166563 hahaha
Then again I submitted 13 domain suggestions with a combined score of -20 so I shouldn't take too much pride in my suggestions.
yay, the most downvoted proposal is mine \o/
XN--ABAB-FT8AAFAKBGB80AS41C.COM (↑↓↑↓←→←→abab↩▶.com)
owner deleted domain proposals: epicplay.com, gamersexchange.com, pleasewaitloading.com, videogamecommandos.com, sofaden.com, sofadeathmatch.com, achievementunlocked.com, GameOver.com, FellowRobot.com, NoWalkthroughs.com, controllersetup.com, innerjoypad.com, joypadsmart.com, campjoypad.com, gameoverandout.com, gameovergameon.com, StartToContinue.com, greenrupees.com, goldrupees.com, savecheckpoint.com, gameonandon.com, ReloadAndAim.com, defeattheboss.com, pwntheboss.com, electricdreams.com, ...
:166569 oh yeah, I've seen that.
Hmm... step 1: suggest javadocmd.com, step 3: profit?
23:49
I kind of like ThrowingControllers.com
did Quicksave.com go down?
is it available now?
@Gaming There's been more DLC? For PC or just Xbox? I'm out of touch I guess.

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