The Bridge

Noctrine

17:01

Yes! Finally 500 rep

tzenes

17:19

:149885 I don't think that's true. I don't know of any answer to the second one that wouldn't be a valid answer to the first

LessPop_MoreFizz

I'd argue that blocking people that should be reported for a tos violation is not a good answer.

tzenes

that's true

however, a better answer is also a valid answer to the first question

LessPop_MoreFizz

it's a /likely/ answer.

tzenes

I'm not sure I appreciate that distinction

in both cases he is facing a form of harassment

in one case he has the possibility of requesting support from blizzard

however, he also has the possibility of blocking

in the second case he only has the possibility of blocking

thus any answer to the second question is a subset of the answers to the first

LessPop_MoreFizz

there are reasons to block people that aren't harassment.

tzenes

17:22

while that's true thats not what he asked

in reality there is no way to actually do what he asked

he wants to not get matched to these people and the system doesn't allow for that

however, he can block them from contacting him outside of the game

LessPop_MoreFizz

his reason for asking is distinct from what he asked. All he asked was is it possible to block people. If the answer is no, the answer is no. But that's not the same as the question being invalid.

tzenes

I'm not saying the question is invalid

I'm saying that any answer should be an answer to another established question

I'm suggesting a symbolic link

Ideally the SE engine would allow us to link the answers explicitly

instead the implementation is "close as duplicate"

Ivo Flipse

but then they can still upvote the duplicate question (though rep for questions is only 5)

tzenes

If people find the different phrasing more helpful, I'm not sure we should stop that rep gain

then again, I don't really care about rep very much

Ivo Flipse

it would encourage re-asking poorly phrased, yet good questions yourself and 'steal' rep

but in the end, the only thing that matters is people getting answers

tzenes

17:27

well if the question is poorly phrased then it should be closed on that issue

radp

One question is: "how to deal with abuse?" Another question is: "how to block somebody?"

tzenes

what I think it would encourage is reasking the question with better phrasing

radp

One is about gamer relationship. Another is about the game's UI.

I just don't see how they're dupes.

tzenes

@badp blocking somebody is a form of dealing with abuse

the answers to the second are valid answers to the first

I don't see the reason to have duplicate answers because of a change in phrasing

Ivo Flipse

no, it should be edited to be better

radp

17:29

If you have duplicate answers, close the answers :P

The duplication mechanism is for questions

tzenes

Sadly I can't close an answer as duplicate

or place a symbolic link (which would be better imo)

Ivo Flipse

but you can vote to delete :P

radp

"How do I check if an item is cursed?" and "How do I check an item's BUC status?" are dupes

"How do I know if an item will kill me?" and "How do I know if an item is cursed" are NOT dupes

even though you can reconstruct the answer to the latter with information scattered around in three different answers to the former

Ivo Flipse

2

Q: Editing and retagging to make a duplicate fit?

There's a question currently open, but with one vote to close as duplicate. The open question is about fast user switching in Mac OS 10.6.4 (aka Snow Leopard). The original question has an answer that does correctly answer the new question, but has "leopard" in the title and is explicitly tagg...

radp

they just are not the same question.

tzenes

17:31

I don't know enough about nethack to know the difference

radp

"BUC" means "blessed/uncursed/cursed"

tzenes

but i do know that just because the questions are different, doesn't mean they don't have the same answer

do cursed items kill you? is that the only way for an item to kill you?

Ivo Flipse

like the answer says in the question I linked @tzenes: if two questions have the same solution, feel free to edit the older or the poorest question into a dupe of the other

tzenes

It would seem to me the answer to "How do I know if an item will kill me?" is "if it is cursed" and the answer to "How do I know if an item is cursed" is "method x"

Ivo Flipse

it adds no value to keep both open

radp

17:34

Err, how can you tell what question is poorer than the other?

tzenes

I could edit them both, I suppose

make them both good and duplicate, and close the one with worse answers

radp

:150166 Except not all cursed items will get you killed.

tzenes

ah

like I said I don't know nethack

radp

Actually I'll check that

tzenes

so then it seems like: the answer to "How do I know if an item will kill me?" is "curses x, y, and z will kill you" and the answer to "How do I know if an item is cursed" is "method x"

Ivo Flipse

17:35

the answers it generates @badp, mostly measured in activity and votes

tzenes

again I'm not a nethack expert

radp

Oh, nice, my avatar still bounces in this room. I shall never close this tab.

Noctrine

17:56

Is the rhythm-game tag really necessary here?

8

Q: What is the criteria for getting gold stars in Rock Band 2?

What do you have to do (in terms of score I guess) to get the gold stars? I've seen a few youtube videos with them, but even when I score 100% or close on a song I never get them.

rock-band-2 rhythm-game

radp

@tzenes blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/fork-it

:150369 Does it offend you particularly?

Noctrine

Ooh, there are little numbers that come up on the side now. That bouncing was irritating.

No not particularly, just wondering as its the only question tagged with it.

tzenes

@badp thanks I was curious

radp

@Juan Can we add two feeds here? SO Blog and the Gaming.SE blog

Ivo Flipse

18:15

there, I hijacked the room's ownership

radp

Okay, I'll give in on the fact non-question feeds are poorly presented

Ivo Flipse

I don't understand why the blog doesn't get properly formatted

radp

:150469 It doesn't have oneboxes

Ivo Flipse

I'm sure they can fix it

oi! they added numbers on your avatar if you get mentioned

tzenes

yeah

radp

18:20

:150472 meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/57288/…

tzenes

I noticed that earlier, very cool

radp

:150477 Yeah, but they KILLED BOUNCY

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 2 at 10:37, by balpha

changeset:   2069:0665193eae8c
tag:         tip
user:        balpha
date:        Thu Sep 02 12:31:44 2010 +0200
summary:     Bouncy is dead. Long live Bouncy.

We're decrying his departure in the Tavern.

Ivo Flipse

bouncy?

ah the bouncing avatar?

radp

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 2 at 17:53, by devinb

Eulogy for Bouncy: I vividly remember the day I met bouncy. I was sitting in my regular chair, typing on my regular keyboard, eating my regular sandwich and counting my regular millions.

tzenes

oh f*** bouncy

radp

18:21

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 2 at 17:54, by devinb

Whilst chatting idly with my friend (who oft referred to me by name) bouncy came knocking. He didn't intrude, simply sat there, literally bursting with excitement that someone actually wanted to speak to me. Like a little lassie.

tzenes

I hated bouncy so much

radp

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 2 at 17:55, by devinb

As I reached down to pet him, his tongue lolled out of his mouth, and he returned to his docile state. Sitting there, quietly waiting (unlike clippy) for the next message to be to me, which he would eagerly bound forth and retrieve.

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 2 at 17:56, by devinb

But sadly, times change, people change and worlds change (as worlds are wont to) and there became more and more demands upon little bouncy. His formerly happy bounce became more akin to a blurring ADHD speed-addict than a friendly reminder.

tzenes

ok, you can stop now

radp

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 2 at 18:05, by devinb

Bouncy:
He'll always be
in our hearts
and revision 2068

I still have bouncy in this tab <3

LessPop_MoreFizz

I'm gonna miss bouncy. :(

radp

18:23

He got replaced by perfect, soulless circles of all evil creatures.

Had it been freehand drawn I might have understood...

Ivo Flipse

can anyone explain why the T-Mobile G2 is going to launch with 'just' a 800 Mhz processor and not the 'standard' 1 Ghz?

radp

:150495 so the battery lasts longer!!

tzenes

because T-Mobile hats you

Ivo Flipse

it does, and I'm actually on the Dutch version of them

tzenes

even worse

how did my comment about hot dwarves get starred

gdamnit

that was a joke, not to be recorded for posterity

Ivo Flipse

18:26

:P

I love abusing my mod powers 8-)

oeh and I want to see some benchmarks running Tegra 2 on the Folio

LessPop_MoreFizz

19:14

I love that this has become my highest voted answer overnight:

20

A: What's the purpose of sitting down in Fallout 3?

There's no gameplay purpose to sitting down. It's purely for the purposes of immersion/roleplaying/atmosphere, and for taking nice screenshots.

radp

19:28

Dunno, probably because it's kind of a surprising answer

radp

20:44

Holy shit, after 13 hours of playing I have full access to my very own cave in Aquaria

tzenes

man, why do all the best tournaments happen in europe?

teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149568

I picked the wrong continent to be born on

alexanderpas

:150921 because we have more countries?

tzenes

I'm not sure how that's relavent

alexanderpas

►

tzenes

can I supply a sub as an argument to a function in perl?

radp

20:59

:150947 He missed Vatican!

:150986 Quite possibly yes

not sure though

definitely possible in Python. And C. And Java, if wrapped in a class (sigh).

alexanderpas

:150991 the vatican is a sovereign entity recognized by international law, consisting of the Pope and the Roman Curia, not a country.

tzenes

well I know how to do it in a bunch of languages but not in perl

radp

2

Q: How can I pass a function to a Perl sub?

How would I write a function that accepts something like the map function does? Example: $func = sub { print $_[0], "hi\n" }; &something($f); sub something { my $func = shift; for ($i = 0; $i < 5; $i++) { $func->($i); } } works fine. but then if I did &someth...

perl function

Related?

alexanderpas

:150991 (or did you mean to say vatican city?)

radp

I don't know Perl.

:151023 Yep

San Marino too was forgotten!

tzenes

21:05

though I suppose its a viable work around

radp

As much as I try, Perl still reads like Turkish to me

tzenes

sadly I feel that way too

I keep trying to think of it like c or javascript

but really its some terrible hybrid of both

alexanderpas

:151029 technically, they are not countries, but sovereign city-states.

radp

$_ &@ @_ ...

:151049 What's the difference? None, tax-wise. :P

alexanderpas

the difference is for example military-wise.

radp

21:09

Big deal...

Besides, Vatican City used to be a full blown country till rather recently

dunno when it got "downgraded"

alexanderpas

Vatican City was established in 1929

Oak

21:24

@tzenes!

tzenes

OAK!

I got Robert's email

Oak

OK, two things

Oak

One, I think I realize one of the reasons we disagree so much about [game-rec]

tzenes

ooo, I'm interested

Oak

I saw in chat transcripts something you said

Oak

21:25

Which made me understand that in your eyes, [game-rec]s are mainly about people recommending games they like.

radp

wow, you're bringing game-rec discussions to emails?

Oak

In my eyes, however, that is the less important factor

radp

oh look, a game-rec. Quite apropos.

Oak

The more important thing is people telling which games fit the question's description

Oak

For example, I had a game-rec question about games similar to heroes of might and magic

Oak

21:26

Someone said "disciples 3"

radp

I guess the one above also is a good fit tbh for your point, Oak

Oak

Which is a shitty game apparently, but it matches the style very well

Oak

And in my eyes that makes it an excellent question

Oak

So I think that for me the most important thing in those questions is simply people bring their knowledge of the game, rather than their opinion on it

4

tzenes

Well I guess the issue is that you're ok with people recommending games they like as long as they fit the question

I'm not

Oak

21:28

oh and I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, I'm just saying that I think this is one of the reasons we disagree

radp

:151179 Why would I limit myself to games that suck?

tzenes

I don't think the opinions expressed in this answer: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1095/… are on par with the answer provided here: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/6730/…

Oak

And I am aware people will definitely vote for what they like

Oak

I'm not saying on par

radp

I don't think the latter is on par with pretty much anything else on the site ;)

tzenes

21:29

and what is compelling for me to provide high quality answers if I see they're being held to the same regard as opinions?

Oak

I'm just saying that in my eyes [game-rec] are more about knowledge than about opinion

tzenes

@Oak if that were the case then the answers would span the entire set

Oak

Entire set of what?

tzenes

instead what we get are this: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/4369/…

games that fit your requirements

its a popularity contest

Oak

Well, I'm happy with the disciples answer I got. Extremely on target

radp

21:31

You're mixing answering with voting there, @tzenes

Oak

even though most people would say it's a poor game

tzenes

@badp answer visibility is based on voting

I just don't see why I should put in the effort I do, if opinions garner the same response?

sure it fits your requirements, but which game you pick that fits them is an opinion

and the voting: opinion

Oak

Oh yea, yea

tzenes

I'm not saying that you can't have a system which would produce good game-rec answers, I'm saying ours does not

Oak

and still, I hope you do understand why it might seem different to me

tzenes

21:33

no, I can see your side of the argument, but I think the damage to the site just isn't worth it

for me, it is a cost-benefit analysis

radp

Speaking of visibility, this answer needs, say, 25 more upvotes.

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/4369/…

Oak

I of course it's beneficial to the site

tzenes

and in theory I can see how game-recs could potentially work on another site

Oak

... but that's a different matter!

Oak

Oh and 2nd thing, tzenes

tzenes

21:34

man, that question is only open because of jeff

Oak

(and everyone else)

tzenes

shoot

Oak

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/234/gaming-sc2-tournament

Oak

Opened a room, figured it might get too cluttered here.

tzenes

sure

radp

21:37

Procedural generation of a urban conglomerate. The video shows how it's done. Pretty impressive.

JavadocMD

:151233 That question has too many duplicate answers.

Subversion and Nethack are both mentioned twice.

radp

:151380 I just flagged both for mods

In 12 reputation I'll get to see my own flags if I understood correctly

JavadocMD

:151419 Groovy.

radp

:151426 That's what diamonds are for

Look ma, both deleted already.

JavadocMD

:151436 For great justice!

Downvoter

21:52

:151421 you see flags as offensive/spam, not for mod attention

Oak

We get the juiciest stuff for ourselves

Jeff Atwood

hey, request -- please file a malware alert against this scraper site
http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/
the site in question is
http://weask.us
**be careful**, put your safe browsing hat on.. they scrape our content without attribution, and then put dangerous / scam ads on it. I recommend visiting that site in Google Chrome Incognito mode

tzenes

done

Downvoter

:151464 done

Jeff Atwood

thanks, we don't mind properly attributed content ( blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required ) but that site is becoming .. a problem. I got redirected to an erectile dysfunction site when I clicked on a question.. :P

KEEP THE JOKES TO YOURSELF :)

FallenAngelEyes

21:57

bites tongue

radp

Targeted advertisement failure.

tzenes

I wrote out at least 4 jokes and deleted them

with the hair on that icon he's almost asking for it

Oak

Also done

Ivo Flipse

done

radp

Well, they do link back to the original question and user profile pages -- all links fail at the "directly" bit

JavadocMD

22:00

"1. Take a second to rejoice merrily for doing your part in making the web a safer place." Whee! Hurray! Huzzah!

Ivo Flipse

btw @tzenes I frigging love that SC2 level where the zerg flood the protos :D

tzenes

yeah, there is something about the zerg...

Ivo Flipse

I managed to hold quite long (if you ask me)

though perhaps I could have divided my units into more subgroups

and placed more cannons to keep them at bay

but what the heck, you're meant to lose anyway

tzenes

I almost got the 3rd achievement

I was like 20 kills short

JavadocMD

:151547 It was all about cannon delay for me. :)

You get an insane amount of resources such that you can build units up to the cap and not have spent it all. Might as well vent that mineral overflow on cannons.

tzenes

22:06

Oh for me, it was all about walls made of nexus and funneling them around

Ivo Flipse

yeah, I had like 20.000 minerals... should have spended more

JavadocMD

Very early I at least put 8 or so more cannons on each of the little raised platforms near the front.

tzenes

use colossus for aoe

and phoenix to lift ranged

JavadocMD

Yep, Phoenix on the hybrids is a must.

Ivo Flipse

and I think my units could have been in three subgroups and even keep them at bay at the entrances

well I played on normal off course (want to get the campaign over with), but I'm surely going to check it out at a harder level too

JavadocMD

22:07

I only barely managed to beat it on Hard. I pity those that have to be around me when I try to do it on Brutal.

<-- Achievement Whore

tzenes

yeah I did it on Hard first too, I may come back for Brutal we'll see after I finish

I haven't had a chance to do All In yet

JavadocMD

Did you do the air mission or the tunnel mission?

tzenes

air

how could I miss that guy

Oak

We need to put [spoiler] around the last few pages of chat

tzenes

he was awesome

Ivo Flipse

22:09

I'm going to continue now and enjoy the campaign

it aint a secret @Oak, trust me

but go convince @JeffAtwood that we truly need it (I think we do)

Oak

Yea and the plot isn't the strong part in that game anyway, to be frank.

JavadocMD

:151612 I found having the tunnels around was extremely difficult. And if you mean what I think you mean by "that guy", you still wouldn't miss him. :)

tzenes

oh man, he was so cool

he should be the zerg mothership

radp

---------------------------
Antimalware Doctor
---------------------------
''03-Sep-10 00:14:29'' is not a valid date and time.
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

Megafail

although Chrome 7's beta mode didn't quite help

that or the problem was in kkrieger.

oh well, I'll handle it tomorrow

yay for UAC

Jeff Atwood

@badp after my ancient Java install got me compromised I turned UAC back ON

f-ing Java (this was a web compromise too.. all my stuff is ALWAYS up to date, but I forgot about this old old Java install)

radp

22:18

I have UAC on and run as limited user

I can't shield myself more than this

tzenes

:151682 seconded

radp

Been like this since day 1 of WinVista+

alexanderpas

try running linux ;)

tzenes

haaha

java is such a pain

radp

@alex I dual boot it, but have you noticed what room are we in? :D

Jeff Atwood

22:19

I only need it for uploading the cc-wiki data dump torrents to clearbits

radp

besides

if I rebooted

I'd lose this tab

where BOUNCY LIVES

Jeff Atwood

you like bouncy?

radp

bbl hibernating. Nite.

alexanderpas

:151694 wine

radp

:151701 I didn't quite mind him, but Popular Demand spoke.

Look at it jump.

Besides, in this tab escape-to-ack-highlight works, in others it doesn't.

Oh well.

alexanderpas

22:21

I try to keep bouncy alive too.

tzenes

there is something wrong with you two

you like game-rec, you like bouncy

radp

@Jeff, did you miss the funeral in the Tavern?

tzenes

what water have you guys been drinking?

radp

It was very touching.

Ivo Flipse

shall I kick @badp? just to mess with him? :P

Heineken @tzenes

radp

22:21

DUPLICATE TAB! DUPLICATE TAB! DUPLICATE TAB!

Darn you voice activation! I knew you'd fail me in the moment of need!

JavadocMD

:151700 Oh, I wondered why I was still seeing bouncy. Thought I was hallucinating.

:151693 Thick-client Java is a pain. FTFY.

alexanderpas

picks up mouse, tries to speak to it. "Computer..." nothing happens "Computer..."

radp

tzenes

if((Boolean)test)....

radp

Bouncy, just one letter away from Bounty.

No amount of rep could save you however.

Nite.

JavadocMD

22:24

:151731 Type casting and working without closures makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I loves Java. I loves it so much.

tzenes

Boolean

radp

:151729 Don't ask to ask, just ask.

JavadocMD

Oh don't complain about object wrappers. We have auto-boxing now.

Maybe we should stop before the Holy War goes out of control... :)

tzenes

every time I write Javascript, I have to remember it

alexanderpas

tzenes

22:26

because Javascript inherited boolean and there is nothing I can do about it

and boolean is always truthy

JavadocMD

Now that's a low blow. You can't blame Java for JavaScript's short-comings.

tzenes

I can blame it for Boolean

since that's where it comes from

alexanderpas

in Gaming on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Sep 2 at 22:19, by badp

@alex I dual boot it, but have you noticed what room are we in? :D

coudn't resist ;)

tzenes

I probably wouldn't hate java so much if they didn't make me write everything in it

the languages we use here: Java, Perl, Ruby

JavadocMD

:151754 I feel that same way about PHP.

tzenes

22:29

oh well, that's because PHP is the devil

just look at phpbb

I guess I shouldn't blame PHP for phpbb

but I'm going to

alexanderpas

but the devil made wikipedia possible... so i'm not complaining.

JavadocMD

I was very happy ignoring the devil until I got slapped with a Drupal project.

tzenes

brb, need more caffeine

alexanderpas

:151763 by one of the drupal devs gods: phpwtf.org

JavadocMD

:151765 Haha, excellent.

alexanderpas

22:32

<?php
$a = 0;
$b = 'x';
if (FALSE == $a && $a == $b && $b == TRUE) {
echo 'WTF';
};
?>

output: WTF

JavadocMD

Does that give the same output if you pull out FALSE == $a?

tzenes

have you tried: ===

alexanderpas

phpwtf.org/its-quite-logical

read closely...

FALSE == $a && $a == $b && $b == TRUE

FALSE == $a == $b == TRUE

FALSE == TRUE

tzenes

yeah, its called type inferencing

JavadocMD

Ah. Because the second comparison is a different kind of comparison all together. Still, I wouldn't have expected "0 == 'x'"

tzenes

22:36

this is why you should use ===

jslint will warn you about this in js

alexanderpas

still, this will make developpers pull their hairs out.

tzenes

FALSE == 0, well 0 is falsy. 0 == 'x', type promote x to int, no ints to return 0, 0==0. 'x' == true, well strings are truthy

no, all you have to do to solve this problem is never use ==

=== works just as well for non-collections

JavadocMD

Hm yeah just found that in the comments. 'x' being "promoted" to int. I assume PHP is using the left side to determine which type to inference for the right side. Is that correct?

Grace Note

Eve, all!

alexanderpas

PHP has a whole matrix for comparison.

Hi @Grace

Grace Note

22:40

Osu, @alex

tzenes

@Javadoc I think strings are promoted to ints during comparisons to allow for 1 == '1'

JavadocMD

:151810 But not in the case of '1' == '2'.

tzenes

the problem is the atoi function returns 0 if no integers are found

right because you can't tell if two strings are being used as strings or ints

Grace Note

Atoi~

alexanderpas

:151810 php.net/manual/en/types.comparisons.php

tzenes

22:44

I dislike this atoi functionality

:151813 '1' == '2' returns false, which is the same as 1 == 2, what's more '1' == '1' returns true

JavadocMD

I guess what I'm asking is does the order matter? Does 'x' == 0 do the same operation as 0 == 'x'

tzenes

even though you didn't do type promotion things still worked out as if you did

oh

alexanderpas

:151827 order does not matter.

tzenes

in this case, no

JavadocMD

Ok

tzenes

22:45

it only matters if you do something like 1 == '1' == 'x'

because 1 == '1' == 'x' is not the same as 'x' == 1 == '1'

alexanderpas

:151807 Appropriate usage of Osu ;)

JavadocMD

:151838 Gotcha

Grace Note

@alex I'm more than aware of the usage of the word

tzenes

I think she used it correctly given who she was refering to XP

<- is secretly implying that @alex is a thug

Grace Note

I never actually did karate, anyway. I learned it from schoolyard conversational lessons.

alexanderpas

22:53

Grace Note

Also, how old is that article?

Sure, it's not very common, but I see a lot of girls use it too, so it seems times have changed.

(My standard usage here will generally fall in the "your in-group" and "greeting" portions in the latter part of the article)

Actually, from the looks of it, this whole article seems to be geared towards a masculine reader

alexanderpas

"Osu!" means “Hi ya!” in English

Grace Note

More of a "heyya", in a sense

alexanderpas

Osu is written using the kanji for Push and Suffer.

Grace Note

I don't use the more emphatic "osu".

It's a quieter, spoken one. Like an informal greeting to your good friend in class.

tzenes

22:59

its more of: Dude what up?

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