The Bridge

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00:04

:147824 best game over screen

I'm really impressed at how well it's selling on Steam

Although MTG just bumped them down from #3 to #4 on the top sellers list

JavadocMD

00:20

What's the policy on cleaning up grammar in other peoples' questions?

tzenes

00:31

grammer and spelling are fair game

I think we've been holding back on: what the user really meant

Grace Note

00:53

Eve, all

Ooh, grammar note. Does anyone mind so much if I have an inkling urge to edit spelling in comments? Just tidy-tidying, probably only a comment that has already been edited anyway?

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I am in favor of all legitimate spelling and grammar edits.

Readability is king.

FallenAngelEyes

Evening Grace

Grace Note

Lo, @Fall

(Also delayed) Osu, @Less

tzenes

@Grace you have carte blanche as far as I am concerned

Grace Note

White cake?

tzenes

01:03

Carte blanche

Carte blanche may refer to: * Blank cheque, a cheque that has no numerical value entered, but is already signed * Full Powers, term in international law referring to the authority of a person to sign a treaty or convention on behalf of a sovereign state. Carte Blanche may also refer to: ; Music * Carte Blanche (album), a 1997 album by Rachid Taha * Carte Blanche (Phat Kat album), a 2007 album by Phat Kat * "Carte Blanche", a 1999 trance song by Veracocha * "Carte Blanche", a song from the 1981 film Shock Treatment, the follow up to The Rocky Horror Picture Show * "Carte Blanche", a co...

Grace Note

...I liked my conclusion more. Is more delicious. Even though I can't possibly imagine eating right now

FallenAngelEyes

Haha, that'd be gâteau blanc :P

Grace Note

I only ever knew French in one dream.

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"Qu'est Que C'est" is all the french I know.

Thanks David Byrne!

tzenes

"mais non" is my favorite french phrase

FallenAngelEyes

01:10

forgot the -ce, @Lesspop, "qu'est-ce que c'est"

Want Recettear to be released now dangit

tzenes

I need a good image to represent DF

something CC

maybe just a dwarf

JavadocMD

Or a pick.

Or fiery hot death.

tzenes

oh wow, ok don't just search for dwarf stuff as apparently there is an entire wow sub culture that caters to the erotic

JavadocMD

And you act surprised.

tzenes

I act it because I am

JavadocMD

01:16

Welcome to the internet?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:147946 No I didn't. David Byrne did.

tzenes

I realize there are various erotic subcultures that I am not a part of, but sometimes they are surprising

FallenAngelEyes

God bless the internet

JavadocMD

I think I'm too jaded to be surprised by the detritus that the internet barfs forth from its shadowy innards. Baffled, sure, but not surprised.

tzenes

I think it was more of the volume

like I assume this kind of stuff goes on

but not to this magnitude

JavadocMD

01:18

Ah :)

FallenAngelEyes

Go and click through rule34's site sometime...

tzenes

like, I know rule 34 and 35

I am not some uncouth virgin

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:147962 baffled is perhaps the right word.

FallenAngelEyes

the sheer amount of Mythbusters porn is kind of mindblowing

tzenes

wow, this is the most ridiculous page: apple.com/itunes/affiliates/download

it says itunes 10

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01:20

I think the moment when I truly came to realize that someone has made everything, was the day I discovered Dragons F***ing Cars.

tzenes

but if you click it you get 9.2

Grace Note

Dragons and cars?

I'm adjusted to tanks and battleships by this point

tzenes

@less my watershed moment was s******** d*** n******

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:147977 Oh, I'm adjusted to all kinds of things now. I'm just pointing out that dragons screwing cars was the moment that I kind of gave up hope that there was unexplored territory.

I knew if things had gone that far, they had gone further.

JavadocMD

:147974 lol "Shoo! That's my Geo! Shoo!"

FallenAngelEyes

01:22

lmao @JavadocMD

Man, I would not want to get in between a dragon and whatever it wants to bone. That can not end up well.

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:147982 Pretty much. thatotherpaper.com/files/dragonsandcars06_top.png

that link is NOT SAFE

btw

tzenes

:147984 or very well -.-)

alexanderpas

:147984 it can get worse... when you are the target.

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though it is the tamest in the category.

FallenAngelEyes

It looks like it's just kinda hugging it

Grace Note

01:24

Hum... that makes me a bit concerned... but I can get confirmation...

JavadocMD

And yet if dragons were real, we all know that would happen all the time. We'd buy dragon insurance and have devices to bolt our cars to our driveways at night.

alexanderpas

what was the stackexchange policy on...

tzenes

wow, some of these dwarves are hot...

FallenAngelEyes

XD

tzenes

Like I've never been into that kind of thing bug I can see why someone would

Grace Note

01:25

...you're STILL looking?

tzenes

I'm trying to find a good image

FallenAngelEyes

Train Wreck Syndrome!

tzenes

I need something that represents DF

JavadocMD

DF does need more sex appeal.

tzenes

I'm not sure gamingse.wordpress.com is the venue for it

Grace Note

01:25

StarCraft 2 doesn't have an image yet you don't see me hunting down sexy siege tank pictures!

tzenes

no, for the blog

Grace Note

Oh.

tzenes

also, sexy siege tank?

Grace Note

Of course.

alexanderpas

google.com/images?q=dwarf%20fortress

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01:26

:148010 For the truly discriminating Dragon in search of high firepower mechanical romance.

FallenAngelEyes

Oh yeah, hot Mutalisk on Zealot action, baby

tzenes

@alexanderpas those are largely lame

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:148016 slowdown.vg/images/Dwarf-Fortress.gif Pixeldorf could work well.

If you crop him down

tzenes

oh nice less

that'll work

JavadocMD

:148012 There's a lot of good results in that search.

LessPop_MoreFizz

01:28

that's a cropped version in the same search.

tzenes

very nice

LessPop_MoreFizz

I think we need to supplement our wealth of Dwarf Fortress questions with some LIberal Crime Squad inquiries

"WARNING: The scope of this game is narrower than that of real life. We have attempted to include foul language, graphic violence, politics, religion, sexual references, adult situations, narcotics, prostitution, bodily functions and bad pickup lines, but Bay 12 Games recognizes that there might be omissions which will make some players uncomfortable"

We have attempted to include _ but recognize we might have ommitted them and it might leave people uncomfortable.

Thank god they remembered the narcotics and bodily functions. I'd've been uncomfortable if they weren't in there.

tzenes

I just learned something about myself

above $3 I have to try an ipad game before buying

below $3 I'll just spend the money

not sure why $3 is the magic number, but it is

Grace Note

Oy, @Pop Star

Popular Demand

Salut, @Grace ... Period?

tzenes

01:39

haha

Grace Note

Hm... there aren't all that many things that can follow after grace, are there? Besides dinner, of course

Popular Demand

instantrimshot.com

Popular Demand

Nope, still not oneboxed.

tzenes

Hail Marry full of @Grace

But for the @Grace of God...

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Let me ask a question to all the apple fanboys out there, why the hell does itunes suck so badly?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:148047 I won't even try to field that, because the reasons I hate iTunes are so /wildly different/ from the reasons most PC users/switchers hate iTunes.

tzenes

01:46

I hate that when I resize iTunes it doesn't resize its scrollable boxes

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(functionally I love it, I just can't stand the way that Apple uses it as a playground to flagrantly break their own UI guidelines in new and exciting ways every few years.)

tzenes

WHY WOULDN"T YOU DO THAT?

Popular Demand

:148046 ... yeah, I'm not going to call him @GraceOfGod. Good thought, though.

tzenes

how do you know? maybe she is the @Grace of God!

Popular Demand

@Grace, please forgive my rudeness, but what pronoun do you prefer?

tzenes

01:49

hahaha

Grace Note

I was waiting for that

Either works, @Popular. Use what is most comfortable for you.

Popular Demand

:148059 Seems like an invitation to go with "it."

tzenes

it is grammatically incorrect

Popular Demand

To english.stackexchange we go!

Grace Note

If that's what is most comfortable for you, then that's perfectly fine

tzenes

01:51

yaya

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Q: Gender neutral pronoun.

Which pronoun should I use as a gender neutral: Each student should save his questions until the end. or Each student should save her questions until the end.

Popular Demand

Okay, question for Not Gaming Related: what was the deal with SC1 players on battle.net back in the day (and perhaps SC2, I dunno, I haven't played it) always typing "gogogogogo" into the pre-game chat screen thing?

FallenAngelEyes

could fallback on zie and zir too

Popular Demand

I know, the marines, but why do it at all?

tzenes

1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a

there is no real reason other than being anxious

also, english.stackexchange.com/questions/48/gender-neutral-pronoun/…

the advice is "you are advised to reword to avoid having to use a gender neutral singular third-person pronoun."

Popular Demand

Ugh. Part of my brain is bothered by the English SE site because so many things don't have a real, correct answer. But that discussion is off-topic for this room.

LessPop_MoreFizz

01:54

Criticism of the 'Singular they' is entirely a product of uptight english teachers.

Grace Note

I actually get very edgey if I dare to use a singular they

LessPop_MoreFizz

Singular They in fact has a longer and more august tradition than the use of 'he' as gender neutral, which was basically introduced by one such uptight english teacher.

:148079 nytimes.com/2009/07/26/magazine/26FOB-onlanguage-t.html

tzenes

@less en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they#Usage

also your link is broken

Popular Demand

:148083 Them's fightin' words.

Grace Note

That's... not actually going to make me feel less edgey

LessPop_MoreFizz

01:57

:148082 Note that examples of Generic they precede generic He by several hundred years

nytimes.com/2009/07/26/magazine/26FOB-onlanguage-t.html

That doesn't work?

tzenes

I was agreeing with you...

nope

Popular Demand

Hm, how many Fallout 3 questions can I ask before people realize that that's the only game I've ever played?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:148091 Lots. It's a pretty deep game.

:148091 Also, New Vegas in a month! Lots to ask then!

Popular Demand

:148093 Hear, hear!

Popular Demand

First thing I've pre-ordered in a long time.

tzenes

02:02

I'd say go nuts

people still haven't figured out I only play WoW and I ask Jon Skeet for my Starcraft 2 answers

Popular Demand

... although that's partially because my girlfriend is more proactive about pre-ordering tham I am.

Popular Demand

Hm, is there a style recommendation on including the game name in the question title?

Popular Demand

(Going to search meta but I figured this was quicker)

Grace Note

Only if necessary

Popular Demand

What's "necessary"?

Grace Note

02:04

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Q: Question with Vague title

I know those question are ok when you look at the tag, but I think this and this questions should have "in nethack" at the end of the title. Do you agree or it's just me that is picky? Update: OK, you want some vague title, we will look at this question then... Update: OK, I deleted my Quest...

discussion title

Oh, speaking of, @tzenes, did you understand my comment in the rec-room-thread or were you as confused as Juan?

Popular Demand

Yeah, I found that question now.

Popular Demand

Not sure I agree with you.

tzenes

which comment?

Grace Note

>@tzenes Over the years I've had no shortage of recommendations fall into my lap (and eventually drain my purse) without me ever saying a word. You might not get to voice your specific needs, but consider that a room dedicated to recommendations is going to already be bristling with numerous options by the time you open the door.

Make sure you read Aubergine's answer, too, @Popular

Popular Demand

Is it expected that you check a question's title and tags before choosing to read it?

tzenes

02:06

no I get that

Popular Demand

That's different than any other SE site I've used to any noticeable extent.

tzenes

I actually consider that a feature

not a bug

Grace Note

@Popular A lot of people do judge on both, at least as far as I've seen

It's entirely why ignored and interesting are used, isn't it? Because people do use tags to filter what they want to even look at

alexanderpas

I have [wii] as interesting because i own a boatload of wii games (and a wii).

tzenes

I don't know, it seems unnecessary

Popular Demand

02:11

I'm not personally a big user of that feature. Maybe I'm not as big on tags as the average person.

tzenes

but I don't really care enough to voice a real opinion

LessPop_MoreFizz

I have nothing flagged as interesting because the volume isn't high enough for me to want a filter.

Popular Demand

That said, I think tags work better as a first-pass filtering mechanism than something to look at on the individual-question level.

Grace Note

I use interesting tags on SO only, out of laziness more than anything. Don't use 'em elsewhere, and no ignored tags anywhere

Popular Demand

They're not even guaranteed to be accurate.

C. Ross

02:14

:148059 I am uncomfortable with your unwillingness to answer ;-) (many minutes late)

JavadocMD

Hey, sweet this works on mobile.

Grace Note

Ooh, a textbook on the <Art of Literacy>. I can use this to learn how to read!

Popular Demand

02:30

Argh, my Gaming Meta name is still Popular Demand!

alexanderpas

:148135 xkcd.com/754

:148156 how long did you wait?

Grace Note

At least a week, by now

Excluding the initial wait time of when the private beta was first started

Popular Demand

:148167 What @Grace said.

Popular Demand

I don't understand why there's no "edit" button.

Popular Demand

The system obviously has no problem having two separate names because my "parent" Gaming name is Lord Torgamus, as I want.

Grace Note

02:33

This chair is an eyesore.

alexanderpas

did you file a bug?

Popular Demand

:148201 I wanted to say yes, but I actually only filed two other account association bugs.

alexanderpas

:148213 well, there's your problem

Grace Note

03:32

@Popular Did you read my full answer? I have a whole passage dedicated to what to do when either you worry about negative attention from your own vague title, or worry about negative attention on someone else's vague title.

Popular Demand

:148441 To be perfectly honest, I couldn't follow your answer after the beginning.

Grace Note

I suppose that's worth a downvote, then.

Popular Demand

Which is unusual, since I usually find that you think along the same lines as me, but are better at finding relevant existing posts and more efficient at presenting the relevant ideas/concepts/what-have-you.

Grace Note

Despite being a machine, efficiency is apparently one of my weaker traits.

Popular Demand

:148447 That is exactly the opposite of what I just said. What gives?

Grace Note

03:40

I write too much. I don't consider it efficient at all.

Popular Demand

:148449 Oh, different efficiencies. I meant that you, more than other users, FGIW me. Yeah, it's a verb now.

Popular Demand

'sides, you're no @devinb.

Popular Demand

But yeah, I kinda feel the same way; things start out short, then I add a few words here or there to clarify some minor or perceived ambiguity, and suddenly I have a five-paragraph essay on my hands.

Popular Demand

... and so does the community, 'cause I'm not going to hit "cancel" after all that work.

Grace Note

I've withdrawn a few mammoth posts

Arda Xi

04:25

This is an example of really bad, list of lists:

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Q: StarCraft 2 Glossary of Terms

I see a lot of words flying about when talking about StarCraft 2 strategies. Things like Rush, Timing, Contain, Push, 6Pool, Cheese... It would be quite helpful to have a list of the accepted vocabulary in one place. What are the common terms used when talking about StarCraft 2 strategies and p...

starcraft-2

tzenes

05:33

hi @jeff

Jeff Atwood

05:54

hello

just stopping by to check some chat dev stuff

FallenAngelEyes

G'night all

tzenes

Night @fallen

radp

07:12

Morning

radp

07:57

For every door that you can open in Aquaria, Aquaria closes two

radp

09:01

1:34 and then 1:32

what a tease

1:27!

Sekhat

I believe you need the spirit form. Which is found in a secret area in Mithalas :)

oo, you did it?

radp

aye

I'm, sigh, answering myself

Sekhat

get anything good?

radp

Not telling! :P

It's not game changing.

Sekhat

meh!

no, I imagine it wouldn't be.

radp

09:16

:148832 chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/230/aquaria-spoiler

If you want to know click there. (Limited time offer, the room will be pruned.)

Interesting, Aquaria actively resists being screencapped.

Sekhat

I'm sure theres a "take screen shot" button

if print screen doesn't do it, try some of the F keys

radp

presses all Fn keys, except for F1

bah, I got it

fires up fraps

lol, even Fraps fails

Sekhat

you on windows?

heehee, thanks.

radp

Yep.

Let's see if my fraps of my 1:25 run is something more than a black screen

800 megs for 100 secs, sigh

Sekhat

:(

stores it all raw then I guess.

radp

09:26

Actually it doesn't

alexanderpas

start project transcoding.

radp

They claim they do perform some kind of lightweight encoding

which dropped my fps to 18 during the taking

STOP REBUILDING THAT FONT CACHE, VLC, AND GET ME MY FRAPSING VIDEO

What does VLC need a font cache for anyway?

:148868 Tsk, 800 megs is less than Youtube's limit, so I'm uploading it as-is :P

alexanderpas

let's hope your connection doesn't timeout...

radp

I'll use the Java uploader for large files

The video beats the screenshot because the screenshot with the full map would've spoiled where the race is...

I guess I won my own first Make Me A Sammich Video contest!

Go me!

._.

"About 250 min remaining"

"Video codec: FRAPS"

:148874 Last time I tried to upload a large video, I closed the tab when I reached 70%

alexanderpas

09:44

time to go for my dentist appointment...

radp

:148885 Have fun

alexanderpas

:148886 You're welcome

radp

10:24

Gotta low how works of art get ridiculed by youtube comments on the maker's sexuality

radp

11:45

"About 136 min. remaining..."

The joys of a 50 kB/s uplink

At least it's five hours of waiting instead of three hours of figuring out how to compress the darn, one hour of compression and one hour of upload

Mechko

12:40

What happens if there is only one answer on a question that I've put a bounty?

does that guy get the bounty?

Mana

I don't think anybody gets the bounty unless the person who asked the question accepts that as the answer

but I may be wrong

or just awards the bounty to someone

Mechko

ok

radp

Yeah, there's no more auto awarding of bounty I think

Is that the "omg ultra long names DO WANT" question?

Mechko

cool

yea it is. The answer is just guesswork and I don't think it's worth the bounty, but no one seems to know.

radp

13:16

Slow day, today.

Sekhat

annoying day for me today

meh

radp

13:34

What's annoying is evading a heat 4 chase with a "heat 1" cop car, but only after you evade six spikelines

when said cop car takes ages to go from gear 1 to gear 2 and starts up going in circles

Sekhat

o_0

radp

challenge 44 in NFS:MW

radp

14:12

►

McKay

:148071 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a is warmup for attacking, and there is typically a click after each "a"

Mana

I am a banana.

radp

A vampire mermaid banana?

Mana

Correct.

Also

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A: What is the criteria for getting gold stars in Rock Band 2?

Two points have to be met in order for you to obtain gold stars: You must be playing on Expert difficulty (all instruments if there are multiple players; if guitar, bass and vocals are on Expert, but drums are on Hard, you won't get gold stars no matter how well you perform). You must achieve a...

Please tell me I don't have to block-quote the content in those links

radp

Block-quote? No.

You may want to integrate them, or just move along to other answers.

Mana

14:24

there are a lot of scores there

...a lot of scores

radp

and we can't do tables

oh well

FallenAngelEyes

I was thinking about asking that question the other day

I thought it possibly would've been a good candidate to have a CW answer then I started thinking about it and figured it'd be too unwieldy, even if it was only limited to the RB2 disc songs.

radp

:149409 Especially because every update bumps the question

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah... It could've been potentially a decent collaborative effort, but I think most of it would've just been pulling from pre-existing databases of people who've already done the work.

And many of the people who've taken the time and effort to put those databases together likely ask for some sort of attribution

radp

To be honest -- if I did such a huge work, I'd make sure it sat on as many computers as possible so that there was no single point of failure that would make it all go lost

FallenAngelEyes

14:34

Haha, yeah

radp

Especially web forums look like a poor choice...

FallenAngelEyes

quiet day today

Mana

:o) HoNk HoNk

FallenAngelEyes

hehe

I should go get some housecleaning done

gonna pop on the Katamari soundtrack I think

always good to keep you moving

Mana

oh god

that song's now going to be stuck in my head all day

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh

FallenAngelEyes

14:46

mwahahaha

radp

15:39

27 rep to go.

LessPop_MoreFizz

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radp

Btw, that wasn't a request for upvotes.

3 upvotes and 0 youtube views is quite suspicious :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

YT view counter fails

I def watched the video

radp

Weird, that counter didn't use to be aggressively cached

Maybe it's changed now.

"1"

:D

radp

16:24

0

Q: how to identify BUC of item in nethack

Possible Duplicate: Identifying items without killing myself How can I identify the BUC (blesses, uncursed, cursed) status of items in nethack? I have dropped something on an altar, which will apparently provide different outcomes (such as smoke) depending on its status, but I did this...

nethack

Please reopen, definitely not an exact duplicate

especially given that "BUC" is a technical common term the top answer does not use

LessPop_MoreFizz

We had the exact same argument over the block list/harassment questions in SC II

question 1 was fairly general. Question 2 asked something, the answer to which was somewhat covered in question 1, and people screamed dupe.

radp

Here Question 1 didn't even ask about the specifics. It was simply mentioned by the answer.

LessPop_MoreFizz

yeah, same.

the SC pair was "How do I deal with someone who is harassing me" and "Can I block people in SC II"

the answer to the second is one possible solution to the first. But it isn't the only one and they aren't the same thing.

radp

Well, those are more similar.

This is "How do I know this item won't kill me" vs "How do I know this item isn't cursed"

LessPop_MoreFizz

not in my opinion. There are a host of legitimate reasons to block someone that are not harassment.

radp

16:32

Although I can see the same mechanism

"How to deal with idiots?" "Block them." "How to block them?"

"How do I know this item won't kill me?" "Check if it's cursed." "How do I know this item isn't cursed?"

LessPop_MoreFizz

Right. but that doesn't make the question that is a natural follow up from 1 a dupe of it.

radp

Yeah, that's the point.

radp

16:51

Grace won't budge however

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