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If I hear of any new developments I'll let you guys know :-)
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
C&D was also because Sqeenix wanted to re-release them.
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:143860 Which I understand, but by the same token, this was fan art and shouldn't have had an effect on that.
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imho anyway
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
:143864 it went beyond fan-art, it was an accurate depiction of the complete content.
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
I'm simultaneously excited and horrified that Obsidians big Ambition atm, now that they are working w/ squeenix, is to get the rights to make a new Crono game.
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00:04
I didn't play it, but I saw YouTube vids, and you're right @alexanderpas, it looked like it could be a sequel
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but it was a ROm hack, so it used the same engine and everything
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:143871 I had no idea! Link? :-)
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
On the one hand, I'd /love/ to see what their writers could do with it, and if any JRPG property could work in a more western style game, it's the Crono stuff... BUT, Obsidian have the most absurd trackrecord of flawed masterpieces, outright failures, buggy messes that could have been great, and shovelware sequels...
:143876 kotaku.com/5580833/…
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
:143877 but that was without squeenix quality control.
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
:143883 Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha Squeenix. Quality Control. I laughed.
(I actually /really/ like Obsidian, but it's hard to disagree with the fact that for every flash of brilliance they've produced, there has been a steaming pile to go with it.)
And in several cases cough*KOTORII*cough they've been the same game.
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00:07
:143881 Thanks for the link! I had no idea about this
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
:143888 It's just Feargus engaging in wishful thinking, but it makes a lot of sense given their heritage.
:143888 Chris Avellone has cited Chrono Trigger as the game that taught him that Video Games could tell compelling stories, for example.
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yeah
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I found the link, in case anyone cares, for the CE fan-sequel which was shut down. crimsonechoes.com
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
:143884 Proof: finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Bugs_and_Glitches
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LOL
Grace Note
Grace Note
00:10
Dinner!
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:143896 enjoy it!
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
:143894 If you haven't broken a Final Fantasy game over your knee by abusing glitches and programming oversights, you haven't played a Final Fantasy game IMO.
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oh god Recettear just made Steams Top Sellers list.
that's... impressive.
like, it's right on the front page as the #10 selling title in the whole store
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
It certainly sounds interesting. Do you think it would appeal to people who aren't necessarily a fan of (all) JRPGs?
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
Yeah I'll probably hit that up tomorrow or so as well. I read about it on rockpapershotgun and the concept sounded too great to pass up
Just the whole satire aspect is hilarious
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
:143903 I'm not crazy about JRPGs in general, and I find the cliches annoying. I like the way Reccetear subverts them, and I love the idea of 'pay the mafia fairy before she breaks your kneecaps'
falloutnow.de/forum/… GHOULS IN SPAAAAACE.
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
00:20
@LessPopMoreFizz lol... on both points.
tzenes
tzenes
I think the thing I like the most about JRPGs is how they often times push the boundaries of what you expect. The World Ends with You is a good example of this
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
TWEWY is a great great game
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
:143909 And yet, it is easily the single most predictable and cliche bound genre in existence.
And yes, TWEWY is fantastic.
Another great example that breaks the mold in wonderful ways was Breath of Fire V.
I'm so disappointed that that game sold so poorly as to kill the series.
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
Though it was pretty easy to manipulate the clothing brand influence
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
Because it is one of the most creative and enjoyable games I have ever played
tzenes
tzenes
00:23
@Less it pushed what I expected for gameplay if not ambiance
often times JRPG try to innovate in this realm
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
:143920 Yeah, the environment/plot wasn't anything special. The gameplay was just stunningly creative though.
tzenes
tzenes
Odin Sphere does this too
it changes my idea of what an RPG is
Grace Note
Grace Note
Stop giving me more reason to get Recettear!
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
does the Download Demo link for Recettear work?
Grace Note
Grace Note
Oh good heavens, yet another demo to absorb my time and dwindle it down to nothingness
My only saving grace is that I accidentally closed the tab that housed Steam, and am far too lazy to scroll up in the chat window after a filling meal
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
00:30
store.steampowered.com/app/70400
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:143929 LOL
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
:143929 Must be a good meal!
Grace Note
Grace Note
Nyaha! Victory! "You must own a Steam account in order to download the demo"!
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
Another reason to get a steam account.
Grace Note
Grace Note
1 reason does not overwhelm 26 strikes
Though it does stop a perfect game.
I shall exercise my mooching skills to the maximum come Thursday.
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
00:33
Hm, what's the term for that? Regiphobia?
Grace Note
Grace Note
Fear of kings?
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
:143938 list please!
Grace Note
Grace Note
I don't think I could live with my brother if I had a fear of kings.
FallenAngelEyes
FallenAngelEyes
Is your brother a king?
Grace Note
Grace Note
Not... yet?
tzenes
tzenes
00:36
@Grace 26 strikes? or 26 outs?
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
explain.
tzenes
tzenes
or 78 strikes
Grace Note
Grace Note
@alex First comes a lack of interest. 2-23 are all "Continued failure to attain interest and I am stubborn". 24 is "Got compared to iTunes". 25 is "Doesn't have TWilight INSanity, blasphoneme!", 26 is "Not enough games of any interest"
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
Hm, latin translators are having a hard time with "register".
tzenes
tzenes
@JavadocMD gee i wonder why
Grace Note
Grace Note
00:37
@tzenes In this world, apparently 3 strikes means the inning swaps.
tzenes
tzenes
@JavadocMD try registrum
Grace Note
Grace Note
@Javadoc It's not a matter of registration.
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
The difference is Apple doesn't make music, while valve makes games.
tzenes
tzenes
I think a batter analogy would be, 1 reason doesn't overwhelm 3 strikes
Grace Note
Grace Note
Batter analogy. Nice.
tzenes
tzenes
00:38
np, its what I'm here for
Grace Note
Grace Note
I avoid Steam mostly out of stubborn laziness. I didn't jump on the initial train, and as the majority of strikes attest to I am far from convinced to get an account
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
I prefer steam over CD checks.
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
"I won't get a free account at X"/"Yes you should" arguments bore me.
tzenes
tzenes
meh
I don't care
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
not to mention horrible UBI DRM from hell
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
00:47
:143965 Steam DRM does seem a lot more palatable at least in the short term. Hopefully that will continue for a goodly long time.
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
linuxjournal.com/content/drm-hell
> Stuff happens to hardware all the time. [...] Hard drives fail, [...] Motherboards fail. [...] I do not mind paying for software. I do not mind that, as the developer, you feel you need to secure your code to prove I only installed it once. What I do mind is wasting several days of my life trying to make it all work again after what I consider routine repairs. [...]
Grace Note
Grace Note
Barrel
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Well I am headed off for the night. I'll catch you guys later!
tzenes
tzenes
DO A BARREL ROLL!
night josh
Grace Note
Grace Note
G'nite, @Josh
Ba~rre~l~
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
00:52
40
Q: How do I do a Barrel Roll?

FernandoOk, so I'm playing Starfox 64, and this so-called "Peppy" hare keeps yelling at me: Do a barrel roll! What's his problem? And what is this barrel roll he's talking about?

nintendo-64 starfox-64 controls
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
@Grace carpefulgur.com/recettear/Recettear_Demo.exe Recettear demo
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
c'mon... I want high quality answers with sources!
5
Q: Differences between the Gamecube and the Wii version of Twilight Princess

alexanderpasWhat are the differences between the Gamecube and the Wii version of Twilight Princess? Are they just the same game, only with another control scheme (Controller for Gamecube, Wiimote for Wii), or are there any significant differences?

wii gamecube zelda-twilight-princess
Grace Note
Grace Note
@alex I wanted the same with my Cave Story question
@LessPop You are almost as evil as this demo will probably be delicious
I'm assuming carpefulgur is the group who did the translation?
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
Yes.
carpefulgur.com/recettear official site for the US release
Grace Note
Grace Note
Aww, naming convention isn't the same
It's more awesome, naturally, but nevertheless there was a certain amusing charm to how the Chantelise naming convention was
Girls: Chante, Elise, Elma, Aira.
Guys: Priest, Fisherman.
Bosses: Kane Lu Honua, Peleka Mapuaa, [...]
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
01:02
Oh hay it's 9 on a Tuesday. Guess I should go get some vodka so I can play WoW for the week.
Grace Note
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...gack, why did I click the Gameplay link? I knew it would be a bad idea...
Downvoter
01:15
hmm, list of x with official sanction
Downvoter
best practices for WordPress Plugin Development http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/q/715/152
Tweeted by codinghorror on September 1, 2010 at 12:41 AM
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Grace Note
@Juan Jeff has approved of a couple recs on Gaming as well
Downvoter
yes
Grace Note
Grace Note
Also, popular opinion seems to be that if we're to do a test run of the "one list answer" solution, that the procedural games question is the one we do it on
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
user image
Best game over screen.
Grace Note
Grace Note
01:18
I was a fan of Rosenkreuzstilette's game over screens, actually
Though admittedly, that is an excellent screen nonetheless.
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
I'd also just like to point out that Boof Bonser is a wonderful name for a human being.
tzenes
tzenes
:143995 Best practices for an uncommonly used api is something that requires expertise. I think what most people dislike about "list of x" is that they often require none at all. I once posited the question: "What a good webserver similar to Tomcat but for Javascript," as a good question because it requires knowledge of webserver architecture, java, and javascript to formulate a good answer. By comparison: "what is a Multiplayer game without dirty words" does not
Grace Note
Grace Note
01:45
I am actually falling asleep. This is odd. Ah well. G'nite, all
tzenes
tzenes
good night
alexanderpas
alexanderpas
02:29
Recettear is actually pretty fun, just played the demo.
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
Yeah, I'm excited for it.
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
02:46
Recettear is now #5 on Steams Top Sellers list.
and climbing.
LessPop_MoreFizz
LessPop_MoreFizz
03:45
I'm glad my guild can clear all the raid content in wow in 4 hours. Because that's about the extent of my patience for the game these days. :/
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
04:04
Maybe it's just me but Recettear seems buggy as hell... I can't seem to make a menu selection or do much moving of the selected menu item.
JavadocMD
JavadocMD
04:41
Well once you make it past the menu it seems to work okay.
 
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radp
radp
07:33
0
Q: "Windows could not connect to the System Event Notification Service service"

badpYesterday, everything was fine. I didn't install anything, add any device or changed any setting that I can recall. I shut the system off cleanly and went to sleep. Obviously, that means my fully updated copy of Windows 7 Professional fails to log me in today. After successfully entering my cred...

windows-7 event-log boot-failure
._.
 
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Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
08:46
does anyone what's wrong with an iOS game if the screen is totally white and nothing happens?
radp
radp
09:13
:144558 It hates you
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
well I 'fixed' it by just installing another version of the game
it's World War by Storm8 anyway, so there's like a dozen versions of the same game
radp
radp
:114157 twitter.com/codinghorror/status/22689704709
 
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radp
radp
10:21
104 rep to go :/
lol
I never noticed that
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/users/recent/, click on Today
Oak
Not a valid link for me
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
same here
it misses a user number
radp
radp
Click on your own envelope then
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
yes? I know what it does :P
radp
radp
didn't you notice something weirdish? :P
after you clicked on Today
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
10:32
> all times are in UTC; the current time is 2010-09-01 10:32:04Z
ah the this month also lights up
izza bug!
radp
radp
not really, today's the 1st of september :D
Oak
Yes, it's a feature actually :)
Oak
Today == this month on the 1st
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
right
good point
radp
radp
so if I checked 'today' on a Monday, "this week" would also light up right?
Oak
10:35
On a Sunday actually
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
darn how do I make a subplot with three images, where 2 are in landscape and 1 is portrait? :S
radp
radp
oh right, the world never agreed on the day that starts a week
Oak
Check out the ranges that appear when you click "this week" or "last week" and you'll see Sunday is considered the first day
radp
radp
Weeks start on Mondays here :\
Oak
I'm not talking about what it's considered elsewhere
Oak
10:37
I'm just saying that when clicking "week", it starts listing things from Sunday
radp
radp
actually, according to UTC, weeks start on Mondays
ISO 8601
ISO 8601 Data elements and interchange formats — Information interchange — Representation of dates and times is an international standard covering the exchange of date and time-related data. It was issued by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and was first published in 1988. The purpose of this standard is to provide an unambiguous and well-defined method of representing dates and times, so as to avoid misinterpretation of numeric representations of dates and times, particularly when data is transferred between countries with different conventions for writing numeric ...
> [D] is the weekday number, from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday. This form is popular in the manufacturing industries.
Reporting a bug!!
(Yes, I know, ISO 8601 ain't no UTC)
Uh, why aren't game rec's worth reputation?
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
11:08
because there's often no 'wrong' answers, so it's correct to upvote any answer which includes games you like
this means a: the best answer won't float to the top like it should, since the others can be relatively close, b: answers less than the 'best' will garner disproportionately more rep than they should, c: they're too popular, so they naturally attract more users due to their nature, d: are very often, very poorly maintained relative to the amount of views and rep they generate
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Oak
That's a very good answer
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
if only the community behaved normally on those questions, our whole discussion would be moot
best example:
128
Q: Terminal Tips and Tricks For Mac OS X

Josh KOne tip or trick per answer. My favorite is open . Opens the folder you're currently browsing in Finder. You can also pass URLs, images, documents or else to open. If you specify a program name with -a you can pass the URL, image, document or folder to that program instead, e.g. open -a Pre...

osx mac terminal.app tips-and-tricks
great question, it generate no less that 113.000!!!! page views
however, if only 1% of those users would have enough rep and start voting
do you have any idea how much rep that would be after 1 year
radp
radp
11:28
:144710 That's a good answer for "Why should they be CW and not generate rep at all"
:144729 Actually, that's the sign of a bad question
Indeed, that's not question at all.
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
11:51
Well I see why they are popular, but really we should be careful with going down that road, since you see what happens in a year time
and new users will start referring to those questions as 'but but but those questions aren't closed, so why did you close mine!!!:@ #%^*&'
C. Ross
C. Ross
12:04
I always fall back to the argument that it's not what the site was designed for
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
yeah, but apparently it doesn't convince everyone :-)
radp
radp
I actually think there should be a rule, 2.5k views and the question goes CW
or maybe even less views
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
I think the problem is really simple, gaming's user base consist of new users and users who came from SO whilst ignoring sites like SU, they are unfamiliar with the 'problems' we've had with these topics and thus don't realize what they're getting us into
well the stupid thing is, at the point you get to SO's scale, rep really starts to lose it's value
it's like the number of views on Youtube, who cares
radp
radp
You mean when you start having 200k+ rep?
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
the votes serve one main purpose: make sure the best is at the top and reward people from putting in effort
well I guess that can be fun :P
radp
radp
12:07
Sure.
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
but after a while gaining rep loses it's value
radp
radp
That doesn't mean I've got free upvotes from people on SO just because there's a lot of users
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
so I happily edit other peoples posts to make them better rather than posting my own answer
Oak
loses, man, loses
Oak
not looses
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
12:08
easy on the non-natives here @Oak :P
Oak
I'm not native either :)
radp
radp
Actually it's the natives who do the spelling competitions :P
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
there's just a bunch of words I can never get right
C. Ross
C. Ross
typos man, it's all typos
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
like when to use life and live
Oak
12:09
Sorry for my pedantic interruption Ivo it's just that you did that typo in both your last paragraphs :) carry on now!
radp
radp
'misspelling' is one I can never get right (mispelling)
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
no, it's good to be corrected, at least now I know I made a mistake
Oak
(phew I was worried I was too rude for a moment there)
radp
radp
Misspelling "misspelling" is especially a problem when you discuss misspellings
english.stackexchange.com/posts/2105/revisions
Oak
Yay for non-natives correcting each other!
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
12:12
I'm sure it's a mix up of the brain @badp, you come from E-->F and than should go to I but instead go back to E
radp
radp
for values of E equal to unicorns?
F is for 'freehand circle' I'm sure
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
no, I just never learned to type, just from playing games
radp
radp
oh, cool :)
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
probably goes for a lot of people of my/our generation
radp
radp
Heh, here in Italy we get taught English since we're 7
Oak
12:13
Yea, I learned English from playing a MUD
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
and now you have all these bad habits cooked in to your brain
radp
radp
except nobody actually uses it, thanks to our awesome dubbers, and thus it's wasted time
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
thank god the Netherlands is one of the rare countries in Europe that doesn't translate English programs
Oak
Oh man the dubbing habit in Europe is horrible, don't know how can you people stand it
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
my worst experience with dubbing: Shit happens in Forrest Gump being translated to Scheisse passiert...
radp
radp
12:14
They're so good I can't notice the lack of lip sync.
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
we don't, we use subtitles
radp
radp
I really have to focus on their mouth to see the mismatch
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
Hollywood spends frigging millions on getting the right type of actors for several roles and then people spend even more money to mess it up?
radp
radp
Just their voices.
Besides, we've been reading translated books forever
Oak
@Ivo good to hear Netherlands is sane(r) :)
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
12:16
yeah, but you don't go through all the trouble of getting Marlon Brando to play the Godfather and then having some local prick dub him
I quit that as well @badp ;-)
radp
radp
lol, professional dubbers are just specialized actors :P
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
well off course the internet is the main source of really learning English
C. Ross
C. Ross
:144804 If you translate it back it comes out as "shit has happened"? (I'm asking, that's just a wild guess)
radp
radp
In other news, I've seen a few movies in their original voice. The English really whisper a lot in their movies, very often going deep into incomprehensionability land.
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
well that's more or less correct, but it broke my heart
German people don't even know 'Shit happens' exists
thank god for subtitles @badp ;-)
radp
radp
12:18
Subtitles distract :/
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
I understand you want to do it for kids programs or cartoons
well in Avatar perhaps
but normally? I'd take subs over dubs any day
radp
radp
No, generally speaking.
You're used to subs, we're used to dubs.
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
I'd rather have everything without both :P
Oak
@badp subtitles do distract, I'll give you that. Once I got good enough in English I preferred to watch English shows without subtitles, because if they are there I just read them
radp
radp
Important enough actors even have "personal dubbers" who only dub them
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
12:19
If I download episodes of House or Lost, I prefer it vanilla
radp
radp
which opens to an interesting advertisement opportunity on the radio -- you can hire that actor's dubber and make it sound like it's that actor talking :P
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
have to admit, that's a fun way of making a living @badp ;-)
radp
radp
I've tried listening e.g. to the Simpson in their original voice, but I lose a lot of the humor :/
whereas other movies, like Hot Fuzz, were easier.
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
that's even worse, jokes that simply don't project to the local language
radp
radp
Translating jokes is why translators get paid what they get paid :P
You might miss on the puns a bit, but I don't think that's too tragic.
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
12:24
I find it funny when people can't understand the English and read the incorrect subs and then don't understand the joke or why everyone is laughing :P
C. Ross
C. Ross
:144830 I'm a fan of subtitles, I actually like watching US TV with foreign subtitles, so I can learn little bits of the language (badly)
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
I liked watching the movies after Stieg Larssons books in Swedish
it makes me feel like I understand what they say
Oak
I'm unpacking my "box of cool shit" right now, after moving an apartment, and I remember all the cool shit I have. Juggling balls, mock skull, grenade fragments, seseme street cards...
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
haha, you can ebay them
Oak
But it's my cool shit!
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
12:29
just put up an ad: "box of cool shit" $100
Oak
:)
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
when I moved in with my GF I had to 'ditch' some of my 'cool stuff' :(
ah well, c'est la vie
Oak
Cruel!
Oak
Oo found knife, binoculars, boomerang and a remote control for... something
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
in return I got to overtake her desk and put three screens on it :P
I found a fake P90, best I hide that :P
Oak
12:34
So at least you do have some cool shit left
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
yeah, but I guess it's not staying either
so I can buy myself Kinect or RB3 ;-)
Oak
Is that P90 full-size?
C. Ross
C. Ross
:144855 Wow, they let you have fake firearms in the Netherlands?
Oak
Cause if it is, it sounds too cool to just throw away
Ivo Flipse
Ivo Flipse
no, I bought it in Spain ;P
it just shoots those plastic balls
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