The Bridge

badp

19:00

@BrianColvin yup, executable ascii art makes for good sig files.

Seriously, though, every time I look at Perl I reach the 'sigils' section and my brain just pulls the handbrake.

Brian Colvin

yea Perl code is only readable/understandable to the one that created it in most cases

user15026

0

Q: Why does this terminate after line 1?

I am trying to do the Intro to Programming Coursera course, and am basically just retyping examples given in the lectures to make sure I understand things. Usually, this works out pretty well, but now I am stuck with some code that for some reason terminates after line 1, which, well, I don't w...

user15026

For some reason, I feel SO NERVOUS about this question.

badp

uuuuh

you've defined a function

but you aren't calling it

Brian Colvin

easy solution then!

Those python guys @ SO are quick!

badp

19:03

@AshleyNunn Well you only got a comment ripping at you so I guess it went better than expected!

user15026

@badp Hahaha well that's...special

badp

I'm just sad people are closing your question, but oh well. You got your answer

user15026

@badp pokes them all with sticks and NEVER ASKS a SO QUESTION AGAIN

user15026

Also, not really. It doesn't help me whatsoever in terms of understanding.

Lazers

0

Q: What is the advantage of buying elixirs?

Usually i see people buying elixirs when they already have 6 itens and want to spend the remaining gold. But in some games, i see players buying elixirs early in the game, around level 11 or 12. Is there a strategy of buying these elixirs early?

league-of-legends

0

Q: 1 Graphic card for 3 monitors, or 2 graphic cards for 3 monitors?

I have 2 screens of 1440x900(both have VGA connection) & 1 screen of 1600x900(has DVI and HDMI), 16 GB RAM, I5 Processor, Windows 7 Home Premium(oem), MSI P55-GD80 with 3 PCI EXPRESS. I want to play games like Battlefield 3 or Modern Warfare! I am Searching for 1 cheap solution graphic card, ...

graphics-card multiple-monitors

user15026

19:07

Because I am dumb-brain.

badp

@AshleyNunn When you define a function, that's all that happens

You need to call it to make it do things

user15026

@badp I nkow that.

user15026

When I run it, I get -17.5555555 for everything

user15026

I dont know why.

badp

@AshleyNunn oh.

GnomeSlice

19:07

@Lazers This seems like it would make more sense on SuperUser.

Assuming it's a decent question at all.

badp

Then you certainly didn't make it clear in your question

user15026

@badp Probably not

user15026

This is why I didn't want to post there - I have very little idea what I am doing, let alone how to explain it to anyone who isn't my own head

badp

so, um

what are you doing to run it exactly?

because the function works for me

can you post a screenshot or something?

I'm genuinely interested and want to help you

user15026

@badp I can try, yeah

user15026

19:12

....for some reason, it works now.

user15026

WHAT THE CRAP

user15026

throws everything

user15026

Maybe I was just using the wrong values.

Brian Colvin

prolly didn't save changes? hah isn't coding great!

badp

Can I still get the screenie? Python lets you do all sorts of crap

user15026

19:13

Sure can

badp

maybe you assigned the result of the function to the function itself, I dunno :)

user15026

@BrianColvin Coding makes me want to bang my head against a WALL

Brian Colvin

Well at least you dont have to deal with pointers in python

badp

The thing with Python is that it trusts you to know what you're doing, it doesn't check after you

SaintWacko

@BrianColvin NULLPOINTEREXCEPTION

user15026

19:14

BAH WHY YOU BROKEN YOU DUMB THING

3

user15026

(I am getting a screenshot)

badp

I was about to say "You should livestream this" but that would've sounded too awful

GnomeSlice

@badp gets popcorn

SaintWacko

I haven't worked with python in a long time, otherwise I'd be more help. Now if you were working with java, or SQL...

user15026

@badp it would be a lot of me cursing and possibly throwing soup

GnomeSlice

19:15

@SaintWacko OH, OH

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Hm?

Brian Colvin

same as @SaintWacko im not a python pro, but if you have another language you wanna use

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko Hah, I was cursing at SQL the other day. :P

user15026

SaintWacko

@GnomeSlice Hey, I do that all the time!

badp

19:16

pssst, posting screenshots to the internet is as easy as pressing the PrtScr button, opening imgur.com pressing Ctrl-V and hitting Enter

6

user15026

@badp WHAT

GnomeSlice

@badp You can paste to imgur?

user15026

sigh I am learning everything today

badp

@GnomeSlice aye

GnomeSlice

@badp wat

SaintWacko

19:16

@badp Ooh, that's good to know!

user15026

but yeah - 212 should return 100.0

SaintWacko

Starring that, everyone should know

user15026

Which is a new and special problem.

GnomeSlice

> Upload failed; your images may be too large. Please try removing some from the queue.

@badp You stink.

badp

@GnomeSlice try again

SaintWacko

19:17

@GnomeSlice desktop must be too big

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko Oh, yeah maybe I have two screens

badp

@AshleyNunn uh, I get 100

user15026

@badp Whyyyyy

SaintWacko

@badp Bahaha

user15026

stompy dragon

GnomeSlice

19:18

Still doesn't work.

badp

er

GnomeSlice

fucking stupid

1366x768 isn't that big.

user15026

OH WAIT

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Try putting fahrenheit - 32 in parentheses

StrixVaria

@AshleyNunn Add more parentheses. You're multiplying 32 * 5, then dividing by 9. Then subtracting that whole thing from the fahrenheit.

user15026

19:19

do I need a space between the "-" and the "32"?

badp

bit.ly/SJ2B01

@AshleyNunn No you don't

ooooh I see what's wrong. What @StrixVaria said

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn listen to @StrixVaria and I

user15026

@StrixVaria OH. Okay.

user15026

Now it works :D :D :D :D

user15026

You people are AWESOME

StrixVaria

19:20

I don't ever trust order of operations and use parentheses around every single operation.

SaintWacko

@StrixVaria This.

agent86

@AshleyNunn you may want to review order of operations

badp

you wrote x - 32 * 5 / 9, that's x - (32 * 5 / 9), not (x - 32) * 5 / 9

the funny thing is, the code you posted in Stack Overflow doesn't have this problem!

user15026

@badp I tried to futz with it in the meantime XD

user15026

@agent86 Does Python math follow regular people math, like with BEDMAS and stuff?

badp

19:21

@AshleyNunn okay, now if you've done loops make it print a table of conversion

user15026

@badp ....I haven't XD

badp

then don't

user15026

I am just learning strings XD

SaintWacko

Make it loop without an end condition

badp

Here, have a taste:

def convert_to_celsius(fahrenheit):
  return (fahrenheit -32) * 5 / 9

for i in [0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100]:
  print(i, convert_to_celsius(i))

SaintWacko

19:22

You never know how high of temperature you'll need to convert

agent86

@AshleyNunn yes :) most programming languages do.

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn You should check out codecademy.com I was learning Javascript with it a while back.

user15026

@agent86 Oh, huzzah, then I can remember that. :D

agent86

just... don't get discouraged, it just takes practice, even if we make it look easy :)

user15026

@RonanForman I am doing the Coursera Intro to Programming thing. I tried codeacademy's Java Script thing, and it broke my brain.

GnomeSlice

19:23

What's a musical fruit that ISN'T 'beans'?

user15026

The Coursera stuff is a lot better for explaining the why of things, which is what I really need.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice What now?

badp

@GnomeSlice nuts?

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman ...What's a musical fruit that isn't beans.

@badp Musical?

badp

What's a musical fruit to begin with?

GnomeSlice

19:24

Well... beans.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Since when are beans musical?

user15026

@agent86 Yeah, I just feel like a complete loser

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman You... what?

Sterno

Someone tell me why the heck this board game about programming HTML5 is titled what it is

GnomeSlice

Beans, Beans, the Musical Fruit

"Beans, Beans, The Musical Fruit" is a schoolyard saying and children's song about the capacity for beans to contribute to flatulence. The song is also variously known as "Beans, Beans, the Magical Fruit", "Beans, Beans, the Miracle Fruit", and "Beans, Beans, the Wonderful Fruit". One variation of the song (sometimes called the second verse) is titled "Beans, Beans, They're Good for Your Heart." The basis of the song (and bean/fart humor in general) is the high amount of oligosaccharides present in beans. Bacteria in the large intestine digest these sugars, producing carbon dioxide and hy...

SaintWacko

19:25

@GnomeSlice Wow

GG, @GnomeSlice

You just got completely derailed

GnomeSlice

@SaintWacko no u

Sterno

I mean, I get that it works HTML in there, but that leaves "ceee"

badp

@Sterno Aitch Te-eM eL E?

agent86

@AshleyNunn it just takes time, but after a while your brain just... gets it. there's a lot of basic logic and math involved. people who "get it" tend to forget how tough it was to "get it" the first time, and it can get very deep and tricky quick if you're not careful.

SaintWacko

@agent86 Hooray, logic!

Sterno

19:27

@badp Ah! Stupid french spelling!

badp

I dunno, I just googled

H

H (named aitch , plural aitches, or haitch ) is the eighth letter in the ISO basic Latin alphabet. History {| class="wikitable" |- bgcolor="#F9F9F9" | Egyptian hieroglyph fence | Old Semitic | Phoenician heth | Greek heta | Etruscan H | Latin H |----- |N24 | | | | | |} The Semitic letter ⟨ח⟩ () most likely represented the voiceless pharyngeal fricative (). The form of the letter probably stood for a fence or posts. The Greek eta ⟨Η⟩ in the Archaic period still represented (later on it came to represent a long vowel, ). In this context, the letter eta is also known as heta to und...

Ronan Forman

@AshleyNunn I'm relatively new to programming, so if you want some help from a Newb, just ask.

badp

I'll never be able to spell aitch

Halfwarr

to add what agent86 said you need to break everything down to little steps

GnomeSlice

Programming is hard.

It's like learning a new language.

Well, it IS learning a new language, I guess.

badp

19:29

Programming requires accepting the fact that code is meaningless and you just have to take it at face value

Halfwarr

its easier then Spanish :D, I still can only say what my name is

GnomeSlice

@Halfwarr Names are language-independant...

badp

If your code says it's going to subtract your input by -32 times 5 over 9, that's what it's going to do.

GnomeSlice

@badp The trick is knowing how to read it.

badp

@GnomeSlice "My name is Halfwarr" vs "Mi chiamo Halfwarr"

GnomeSlice

19:31

@badp Ah, roger.

Okay, quick question, what's a fruit that somehow relates to audio or video?

...camerafruit?

user15026

@RonanForman Aw yay :D I will definitely keep that in mind

Halfwarr

on the plus side once you get down any programing language going from one to another is quite easy

badp

@GnomeSlice Bananaphone.

@Halfwarr cough monads cough

GnomeSlice

@badp A real one...

badp

@GnomeSlice Obamaphone.

giggles

user15026

19:32

@badp Yeah, I keep expecting it to do more than it does - like it should know what I am thinking XD

GnomeSlice

@badp That's neither real, nor a fruit...

badp

@AshleyNunn Don't we all wish it worked like that!

GnomeSlice

@AshleyNunn That doesn't work, take my word for it. x_x

user15026

@badp it would be SO MUCH easier. I would have a much smaller OneNote notebook of notes then.

user15026

is writing down all the things

badp

19:33

Reading what's written rather than what's meant to be written is one of the main challenges of programming

and internet lawyership

GnomeSlice

@badp arrrgh

badp

It's also why pair programming is an idea that might just work

GnomeSlice

►

Halfwarr

granted en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS is probably the worst language ever

badp

@Halfwarr but does it have monads?

Halfwarr

19:35

@badp lol no idea

badp

does it do >>=?

GnomeSlice

@badp I can type that in any language.

user2334

Do it in French

Halfwarr

@ badp no idea I do not code for it I have just seen source code before and I know that it does not follow the order of operations 8 + 2 *5 = 50

but the best language ever is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE

fbueckert

@Halfwarr COBAL beats it.

GnomeSlice

19:36

COCONUT

I GAWT IT

Halfwarr

HAI
CAN HAS STDIO?
PLZ OPEN FILE "LOLCATS.TXT"?
AWSUM THX
VISIBLE FILE
O NOES
INVISIBLE "ERRROR!"
KTHXBYE

GnomeSlice

@Halfwarr Take it away.

StrixVaria

@Halfwarr What does "AWSUM THX" do?

Halfwarr

@StrixVaria thats return(0)

GnomeSlice

@Halfwarr You have too much time.

Also, did you put four 'r's in 'errror' intentionally?

StrixVaria

19:39

@Halfwarr But...you're not in a function...and returning should...skip..what?

user2334

@StrixVaria AWSUM THX = "if previous condition was true" whereas O NOES = "if previous condiiton was false", the condition in this case being whether LOLCATS.TXT could be opened

user2334

see here

StrixVaria

@MarkTrapp Ah ok so it'll halt execution or something if it fails the check?

GnomeSlice

STOP IT.

STOPPIT.

STOP. IT.

StrixVaria

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

That's awsum

user2334

19:40

@StrixVaria If false, it prints "ERRROR!" to the errorlog

GnomeSlice

@MarkTrapp 'ERRROR!' *

user2334

or stderr I suppose

user15026

That's awesome. Ridiculous, but awesome.

user15026

Also, I love how I mostly get starred when I am yelling at something, usually inanimate.

user15026

Also, design recipes drive me insane. I get why they are needed but I hate writing them.

GnomeSlice

19:52

►

user15026

AUGH what does "inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in indentation" mean?

Brian Colvin

1 space 2 space red space blue space

it probably means that your indenting is off. turn on the paragraph markers in word

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Python uses indentation to split up sections of code (if statements, loops, et cetera). If you uses tabs and spaces to indent the compiler can run into issues, so it's best to just use either tabs or spaces, but not both.

@AshleyNunn: I'm not sure what editor you're using but it should have the ability to convert tabs to spaces, which would be the ideal method.

Halfwarr

@AshleyNunn most IDEs will allow you to select blocks of text and do Tab and Shift+Tab to move blocks of text

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Oh zeus you're using NOtepadd.

user15026

20:06

@Wipqozn Haha, it doesn't. (My roommate just checked for me), she is trying to help me out

Wipqozn

Here, download Notepad++. Unlike Notepad, it's not complete shit.

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user15026

I am using thr IDLE that came with my python installation

user15026

@Wipqozn Yay, you just saved me the legwork of finding the thing she suggested.

badp

IDLE isn't the best but it's serviceable

user15026

@badp it confuses me a LOT

badp

20:08

Yeah, it isn't the best

Halfwarr

@AshleyNunn also you can do Language -> P -> Phython

badp

but unlike Notepad++ it has a debugger and an interpreter and integration with the language

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn you should use vim

user15026

@badp Yeah, with notepad++ I have to use the command line, which is a little bit of extra step, but that's okay, Will keep it in mind as an option, at any rate.

badp

The truth is, all Python IDEs kind of suck. (Compare with Eclipse + Java)

user15026

20:09

@SaintWacko vim?

badp

(well, all Python IDEs I've tried)

SaintWacko

@badp I miss eclipse so much

I wish there was an eclipse for SQL

badp

eh, Eclipse is supposed to be general purpose

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn It's a command line text editor, very difficult to use :P

user15026

@SaintWacko ....thanks. XD

Wipqozn

20:10

@SaintWacko As much as I love VIM, I don't think VIM is the right editor for @AshleyNunn. She seems like someone that would greatly prefer a GUI.

SaintWacko

@badp Really? How do you get it to recognize syntax for SQL?

user15026

@Wipqozn A whowhatsit?

SaintWacko

@Wipqozn Yeah, I just couldn't resist the suggestion :D

badp

@SaintWacko You code support for it? I dunno

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Graphical User Interface

badp

20:11

It's got support for C, C++, Python, etc.

SaintWacko

Buttons and things

user15026

grins you guys are teaching me so much and I love every single one of you. cupcakes for EVERYONE

user15026

@SaintWacko I like buttons

Brian Colvin

Vim>emacs

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Yes, buttons are a bit easier to use

Wipqozn

20:11

@AshleyNunn if I ever visit you in Ontario I expect cupcakes.

SaintWacko

In vim, there are no buttons. Everything is done with keyboard keys

user15026

@Wipqozn Anyone who actually makes it to me gets cupcakes.

user15026

Of their desired flavour/icing combo.

SaintWacko

@AshleyNunn Hm, I wonder how hard it would be to get there from Michigan...

user15026

@SaintWacko Not terribly hard, I don't think.

StrixVaria

20:13

@AshleyNunn Peanut butter cupcakes with chocolate icing.

Everyone always does it backwards.

user15026

@StrixVaria I know, right?

user15026

You show up, I will make them for you.

StrixVaria

It's probably only about a 9 hour drive...

SaintWacko

@StrixVaria Ooh, that sounds good

Halfwarr

nano > vim > emacs

user15026

20:14

@StrixVaria See, that's doable, for awesome cupcakes.

SaintWacko

@Halfwarr nano is nice and easy to use

Although, honestly, I was joking about vim. I use Notepad++ myself

Brian Colvin

my db teacher always used nano

Halfwarr

@SaintWacko I like my text editors to be text editors and not nethack

Wipqozn

I use VIM in Unix, and Notepad++ in Windows.

SaintWacko

or eclipse when I'm working with java

Lazers

20:15

0

Q: How do I do a blockbuster move? [SkullGirls]

I am trying to use Filla's blockbuster move "Gregor Samson". But however hard I try I cannot do the move. I must be missing something, It really says something about the difficulty of a game when you cant complete the tutorial.

fighting-games

SaintWacko

or MSSSMS when I'm working with SQL

StrixVaria

@SaintWacko That is the worst acronym.

SaintWacko

@StrixVaria Do you have a better one?

Halfwarr

@SaintWacko what is MSSSMS?

Brian Colvin

I got those letters in scrabble once

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RedRiderX

20:17

Have you all seen these Lemon Hand-grenades?

SaintWacko

@Halfwarr Microsoft SQL Server Management Studio

Halfwarr

@RedRiderX Do you know how I am redriderx I'm the man thats going to burn your house down with lemons

bah I fail its who not how =(

ok I need to close chat I am getting 0 work done

SaintWacko

@RedRiderX This past 4th of July I was at a party and someone blew up an orange with a large firework

A piece of orange ricocheted off my shin, and it blew a hole in the plywood it was sitting on

RedRiderX

@SaintWacko Sounds like a good time was had.

SaintWacko

@RedRiderX Oh yes

RedRiderX

20:23

Also, these Fallout 3 Replica Weapons may be of interest to some:

Brian Colvin

Kinda wanna ask the question "Why did my WoW character randomly die in stormwind" but i feel like its only ever going to happen once

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19869466

pretty hilarious the way they described it

sjohnston

@BrianColvin I think you could have gotten a question out of the corrupted blood thing. Getting killed by hackers is a little harder to answer definitively.

MMOs need more purposely-engineered mass deaths

3

Brian Colvin

EQ had those events!

let loose a high end boss in the middle of a mid range zone on halloween wiped people quite a bit

sjohnston

Yeah, a few games had stuff like that. Just doesn't seem to be common in the popular ones these days.

Maybe the players are too whiny about it now

Brian Colvin

Think we should set up a max downvote @ like 4

Ullallulloo

20:36

@BrianColvin In Realm of the Mad God, one of the devs accidentally spawned what I think is the hardest boss in the game in the game's "safe zone".

Brian Colvin

if i was new to the SE community and asked a good intentioned but perhaps dumb or poorly fitting question for the site getting -6 on the question would really discourage me from revisiting the community :)

and a question dropping below -4 serves really no purpose i would say even -2 is enough

user15026

@BrianColvin I am kinda scared to go back and look at my terrible SO question. XD It probably has a million downvotes by now

SaintWacko

> with characters being destroyed again after "reincarnation" as is normal within the confines of the game

Ullallulloo

@AshleyNunn It's still at -1.

user15026

@Ullallulloo oh, yay :D

murgatroid99

20:51

-1

Q: Limit downvotes visibility to -3

Introduction: I find the downvoting system to be very permeable to abuse. Despite the loss of rep when downvoting, the cumulative effect is more felt on the person being downvoted. And this is perfectly acceptable. However, in a non perfect world like this one I've been witnessing on numerous oc...

feature-request down-votes

Brian Colvin

+++

murgatroid99

closest thing I could find quickly

@BrianColvin Wow, I actually can't find any suggestions for that. You could suggest it, but I predict a storm of downvotes

Brian Colvin

Yea, I like the points that question makes but we want to promote being able to ask questions without fear of looking stupid if they are on topic for the site

so the excessive downvotes stop people from asking if they're not 100% positive the question fits

I've asked my meta question for the quarter already I think hah i'll do it another time

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