@Wipqozn sounds like most fantasy. everyone is bad, just different flavors of it

This has to be Cosmo Canyon right?

should be the cutscene with Bugenhagen.

so part two should at least go up to Cosmo Canyon

Also, anyone recognizing this?

alas, the more I see Rex XIII tail in HD, the more I see a charmander :P

@SPArcheon my money is it ending when Meteor is Summoned, likely after the WEAPONs are awakened or when Tifa wakes up in Junon and sees Meteor in the sky

@SPArcheon another Jenova incarnation, which is actually more interesting as it looks different to the first one while compared to the original they were just recolours with different attacks

@Memor-X yep, I also guessed Jenova, that would mean that they are planning to forego the "humanoid" form altogether. This looks like a full fledged parasite .

But I was more focusing on the place.

The trailer has a cave that could be the Mithril cave just after the swamp.

but this doesn't look like it is the same place

@SPArcheon not necessarily when you remember that these are likely what Jenova Birth/Life/Death were in the original

@SPArcheon or it's like Dreamweaver and it's an illusionary location they'll fight in

since we know that Cosmo Canyon is visited then that likely means the Cargo ship and that was were Jenova Birth was fought. now if there was to be a similar fight there either the battle takes place in the ship or like Dreamweaver they end up somewhere else, fight Jenova and then return to the ship

btw, memes already.

don't really get the point of the meme to be honest

either way, still fun to see people (likely new fans) reacting to that trailer and falling for Sephiroth's mind games

the trailer is full of red herring.

First, it does not make clear when the game ends.

i am hoping that Rebirth has no save game importing from the first one or if it does it can accept PC Save data. going to be a pain in the ass to avoid spoilers until it comes out on PC (just as much so with how big the game is going to be)

@SPArcheon we can sorta guess because there's only going to be 3 games and really only 2 got points to end the 2nd one at this stage

@Memor-X IF they are going for three games, then the fact that the logo now is half red means that the crater is indeed the most probable ending for the game.

basically, when meteor is summoned

After the Forgotten City which is the end of Disk 1 or as i said, after Meteor is summoned which is roughly around the same point in Disk 2 as leaving Midgar would be in Disk 1

or at least from my initial memories, i spent sooooo much time in that area because i couldn't beat the boss there for a long time

I think they will have to forego the Forgotten City ending because it would no longer make sense.

also, I think they are purposely - a) never showing Aerith in suspicious locations. b) avoiding completely HIM.

so far, most is going as I expected.

This is a remake, and Sephiroth is trying to change the outcome. And there are two key figures in that.

Aerith and Tifa

Aerith is obviously the key to holy, Tifa is the key to Cloud memories being freed from his control

those are the two things that he has to remove.

I already theorized that he made the party change the fate on purpose to use Zack against Cloud.

It is all too perfect.

Zack is Aerith original boyfriend. Show him some memories of the original timeline, when Cloud attacks Aerith and then when she dies.

Make him think it is Cloud fault.

He needs to cause enough mess to buy meteor some time. After all, killing Aerith is not an option. She lives? Holy. She dies? STILL HOLY.

Plan two, make Cloud suspicious of Tifa.

i still don't buy any of that

just be aware that if you just listened to the "I killed her" line in the English trailer, that is very poor localization.

He says a specific name in the original version

Sephiroth/Jenova plays mind games, hell it was how Jenova hunted and in the original she reached out to Cloud after Jenova Death is defeated

We already agreed to disagree on that one. Mostly pointing out that if you see someone trying for the next six month to say that Sephiroth was talking about Aerith in that line, they are idiots.

well if someone was they clearly didn't watch the trailer

@Memor-X or they watched the ENGLISH trailer which is the only one that made that idiotic mistake.

Alas, you may want to notice that in the original game Clouds tells Tifa that he though she died 5 years ago in the incident. Now look who knows about that and is using yet another info from the original to mess up and change things...

it's very deliberate with the choice of scene as what happened to Tifa was a glaring hole in Cloud's recollection. at least this time Tifa does seem to voice her concern about Cloud's recollection as opposed to it being implied and made explicit in subsequent media

@SPArcheon no idea what you mean here

@SPArcheon that makes no sense at all

@Memor-X that there are a tons of fans that thinks that the line "I killed her" played while Sephiroth attacks Tifa is just a misleading ads device with the dialogue being from a different part of the game where he talks about Aerith.

But that is impossible because every single other trailer uses Tifa name explicitly there

Sephiroth's claim is not really a lie or trying to change history or what not with what information is available

@SPArcheon and those people are reading waaaaaaay to much into it

almost as if they are clinging to this "Sephiroth knows the future" theory

@Memor-X yep, that's what I said. Disregard those. They will keep coming.

which if he does, is likely because of The Whispers and Sephiroth/Jenova having corrupted the planet's defensive systems (the Weapons are fine because they were born before Jeonva had contaminated the lifestream)

@HighlandRat either here or on the Games Meta works - gaming.meta.stackexchange.com

Thanks!

@Memor-X that is a different thing, it is indeed true and so does Aerith. Didn't about 18 pages of actual evidence from the first game that she knows things in advance that she has no way to know otherwise satisfy you? Not even the one where the official guide confirms that Aerith knows too much?

ok, found it. the game's director has said the plot isn't changing

> According to a new interview at Gamer JP (translated by @aitaikimochi on Twitter) with director Tetsuya Nomura, the “axis of the story” in FF7 Rebirth “will not change from the original game.” The team’s goal is that it will be a “new experience with new developments” like with Remake, and that “players new and old will be able to enjoy this story.”

^ pcgamesn.com/final-fantasy-7-remake/ff7-rebirth-story

@HighlandRat yeh so a question like that wouldn't be allowed on the main site. however you're welcome to ask that here in the chat room. can't guarantee if you'll get more results from asking here in chat

other places you could try are gaming related Discord Servers

oh yes, you mean...

@Memor-X That's fair. I wouldn't expect just anyone to have answers.

> the “axis of the story” will remain unchanged from the classic JRPG game, but there will be new twists to make it “a fresh new experience.”

@SPArcheon well yeh, Jenova Dreamweaver is that

oh, look, it goes well for me either way.

a fight with the Turks in the Mythril Mines counts, along with possibly seeing Cissnei and fighting her or Reeves having more of a role

That thing changes? I get the game that I actually wanted and the pleasure to come here to tell you "what did I say?"

Stays the same? saved money.

perfect example of FFVII Remake's games is Persona

or more so Persona 3, 4 and 5

@Memor-X Hmm, I'll give discord a shot as well. I don't know where to find specific ones, I kinda just stumble into recommendations. Where do I look for types of servers? Is there a list or something?

also, the trailer is purposely shifting the focus on what the original players already know.

It tries hard to make you forget one big thing. The dog changed.

the advance versions like FES, Golden and Royal added new stuff giving the games that much of a refresh to make them enjoyable to returning players. Kotone's Route in Persona 3 is very much like a Final Fantasy VII Remake because she had new social links, some events are different because it's her and possible changes to the plot but the overall thing stayed the same

@SPArcheon not really

with the exception of that first bit (which can easily be explained as being Shinra Propaganda and to fuel anti-Wutai sentiment) there isn't much in there returning fans wouldn't already work out, and yet still is interesting to want to play it in this version

@Memor-X that thing, either an ingame joke before the actual trailer (everyone died in episode 1, similar to the "Ash is in coma" meme) or tied to the dog too.

@HighlandRat wow that is a hard one

i can think of Super Smash Brothers in N64 which you could apply a handicap to characters

@SPArcheon what dog?

@Memor-X also, have you played the Intergrade, and more specifically the Integrade ending?

coincidentally, IGN is doing a video about how fans wanted to keep Aerith alive and even "rewrote fate" to do so.

The timing, the wording, this is on purpose.

even if you don't think the game will change, it is pretty evident they know what change people are arguing over.

so, either this time she lives and they are very lovely playing with us (people will cry this time but for the opposite reason)

or they know and they are purposely keeping that as a red herring to boost sales because they are full aware a part of the players don't want to go thru the same game and would not buy it even with all the best graphics in the world, and in this case they are some little, dastardly ....