The Bridge

Dannyu NDos

02:39

Hi everyone.

I have a question about Arqade.

Are questions about video game creation on-topic?

Yuuki

As in making your own video games? No, there's a game dev stack, iirc.

Dannyu NDos

Thx!

SPArcheon

15:13

in Maid Café (メイド喫茶), 42 secs ago, by SPArcheon

... and if I post this here @Fredy31 may recognize the character but won't get the reference...

Fredy31

Pretty sure thats a Ghibli movie

just dont know which one

SPArcheon

15:25

WARNING: MAX ALERT

saw this line on reddit

> Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom has reportedly leaked, 10 days before release.

2

This is not a drill. Leave social channels NOW.

Probable spoilers storm incoming.

Fredy31

16:24

Yep

Heard some small streamers on Twitch were streaming it

Guess they wont ever have a relation with Nintendo

SPArcheon

16:36

Kotaku too, they probably nuked they (already low) chances to work with anything Nintendo in the future.

and they wonder why they didn't receive a review copy.

Notice: they are the same site that back in October basically suggested to play Metroid on an emulator (advocating for piracy) and got on Nintendo blacklist (they edited the article afterward).

And now they posted content form the leaks on twitter apparently (didn't check obviously).

I guess this will be the last time they will be able to post anything related to Nintendo.

Fredy31

16:57

Well probably getting any answers from nintendo

but Kotaku is a dead man walking anyways

dont see how that site can still do cash

VG Journalism doesn't bring much because most gamers get their news on Youtube or straight from the source in directs and such

They are a middle man that doesnt need to be

Ronan

If you assume a journalist's job is to read whatever nintendo tells them then yeah

SPArcheon

@Ronan a videogame journalist job is probably not getting themselves into a position to be SUED by the companies making the games they plan to review...

because that probably already happened in October with them basically suggesting that players should download and play a pirate copy of Metrod on a pc emulator.

and that is why Nintendo didn't even send them a review copy for Zelda.

Now, they posted leaked content on their social media, so they are in a position to be sued again.

Not too smart IMHO.

Ronan

None of that is sue worthy, you've got to obligation to uphold an NDA you didn't sign

Fredy31

17:41

Yeah, if they didnt receive an early copy, then they probably didnt sign an NDA. So they are free to report on it

But that is, still, burning the bridge with nintendo

literally biting the hand that feeds

Ronan

@Fredy31 But you just said there's no money in being fed by nintendo any more

SPArcheon

The game isn't out yet, so the only way to play it now is either by
a) having a review copy
b) stealing a copy meant for resale
c) piracy - downloading a rom

Ronan

Being given it by someone who did break NDA

Not your problem though

SPArcheon

@Ronan only if they gave you the info. Burden of proof on your side.

Ronan

No it's not?

if my pre-order arrived at my house 10 days early, I can do whatever I like it with

But the seller definitely fucked up

SPArcheon

17:47

Nonsense again. They would ask you to prove that you actually bought the game and confirm with the seller that they did indeed do the mistake.

Ronan

I've got no contracts with nintendo, no matter what they'd like you to think

SPArcheon

Both things Kotaku doesn't have the luxury to claim after an article basically titled "what we learned from the Zelda rom leak"

@Ronan maybe you didn't get the actual issue here.

Ronan

Upsetting nintendo is not a crime

Fredy31

@SPArcheon They gonna skirt the problem by only reporting others playing the game

so they get the clicks, none of the legal problem

SPArcheon

It is not about NDA. It is about posting an article that is basically claiming you pirated the game.

Fredy31

17:50

And even then, stealing a copy or piracy are things that will be held in court for years

SPArcheon

tell that to the guy that was fined 300kk recently for leaking content on youtube from a pirated copy of a game...

Fredy31

And, NAL, but I would guess saying you could/should play it on emulator is not illegal; free speech

Ronan

@SPArcheon I'm not saying the leaker has a defence, but anyone else is just reporting on freely available info

Fredy31

you can say YES DO DRUGS thats not illegal. Doing drugs is.

SPArcheon

@Ronan And I am telling you that I am talking about Kotaku specific and the fact that the article is posted in a way that basically says "we played the rom, here is what we saw"

Ronan

17:52

@SPArcheon Does it include a part where they broke into nintendo hq and stole a copy?

Fredy31

@SPArcheon Know nothing about the case, but I would guess there is more than leaking the game early on a lets play. The 'Delivery guy delivered this a week early' doesn't stop you from starting to post content about it. Nothing illegal about it

SPArcheon

@Ronan at this point I would have to ask you if you know what a ROM is....

Fredy31

If you hacked into the publisher to get it then you hit the illegal part

SPArcheon

@Fredy31 problem is that the "leak" is only partially due to copies delivered before the due date. The original leak was because someone managed to get a ROM of the game.

Ronan

and how is any of this kotaku's problem?

SPArcheon

17:56

So, not your problem Amazon delivered you the game 10 days before the due date. Your problem if you downloaded the rom and played the game on an emulator. Considering that the Kotaku article apparently implies they did that....

Fredy31

Not a lawyer, again, but
- If you play a physical copy and just got it early through a connexion or a delivery fuckup, you can play/post about it and dont think they can do much.
- If you have a digital copy, then the only way to get it is Emulate a rom on the web (trouble for piracy)

But still dont think nintendo will sue people for early sharing of it; but even if you make it big, the doors of nintendo will always be closed to you

And as I said before: Suggesting to do something is not illegal. Doing the thing is illegal

So kotaku can suggest you pick it up on emulator. As long as Nintendo cant prove they did it themselves, there is not much to sue over

But there is much to burn a bridge over

SPArcheon

I suggest you re-read this from the beginning.

You are confusing TWO separate incidents.

The first one is the October 2022 Metroid incident.

In that case Kotaku basically advocated that customers should download the game rom an play it on an emulator because the emulator offered 4k.

The original article you may look out for yourself on the Web Archive.

The fact they were forced to edit the article and publish a public "we are sorry" on that page should be enough.

The recent incident with Zelda is based on a Twitter article.

Ronan

I know what you're saying

Fredy31

Me too, still dont think it was a sue over thing

Someone at Kotaku tried to pour water on the burning bridge

Ronan

I'm saying that none of that is actually illegal, and a billion dollar company doesn't need your help

Fredy31

18:03

probably lawyers or PR;

but the writers of Kotaku seem to cant help but throw molotovs at the nintendo bridge

Ronan

And as @Fredy31 said earlier, publishing nintendo's press releases isn't making them money any more, so they might as well do other stuff

There's not really a bridge there for them to burn

Fredy31

For some reason they cant seem to figure out that in burning the nintendo bridge nintendo wont feel a thing, they will die

SPArcheon

[continues from previous post] Apparently (read: if you want to ruin you game with spoilers you are free to look it up for yourself) Kotaku made a post on Twitter that basically implies that they played the rom of the new game.

Ronan

I think they understand fine, yeah nintendo don't care, but they're not profiting from any kind of relationship either

Fredy31

Well, maybe not the nintendo news, but the big thing that would have brought clicks is coming up: The brand new Zelda review.

And they will miss the boat because they burned the bridge and will need to buy the game on release like us chumps

Ronan

18:06

Well they've already got a copy

Fredy31

Also they are removing the possibility for things that would bring clicks, like exclusive interviews or shit like that

Ronan

Which you just said they weren't getting anymore because people go straight to things like treehouse and direct

Fredy31

@Ronan Yeah on that they were lucky it leaked, they probably have now the occasion to review it and release it on Day 1 or even earlier because they never signed an NDA

(Probably will be on day 1 beacuse throwing the review up early kinda gives them no cards to play that they didn't make the review via illegal/piracy means)

ave

22:20

evolve update: I got to the second reset (bioseeder). And I'm finally done.

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