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Sepia Lazers

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Q: Can we get the ability to boost bounties?

In my opinion, this answer is a prime example of when bounty should be awarded. With that in mind, the OP of the question it answers has an open bounty of 100 reputation to reward the existing answer: I also find the answer exemplary and worthy of more than just 100 reputation points. However, I...

Vikas

15:29

Hey everyone. Can anyone please tell if NVDIA 1080 better gpu than 1650? I had assumed for many months that since 1650 is newer it should be better. But just now I checked an online comparison and found that 1080 is much better. So I wanted to confirm. Is it really better for gaming?

Elise

16:18

yes, 1080 is a high end gpu, 1650 is a mid tier gpu. 1650 is newer, but at best it's comparable to 1070 in performance, not 1080

Taco タコス

17:02

@Batophobia thank you for the additional clarifications! Sorry for the delay, been a busy weekend lol

Nzall

17:52

@Vikas I want to add some extra clarification: the 1080 was the high-end card from 2 generations ago. The next generation was the 2000 series, which mainly added real-time raytracing and AI. However, those cards were rather expensive and the new features weren't widely supported, so Nvidia released the 1600 series which didn't have those features. The 1650 was the budget tier of that series.

Vikas

@Elise Thanks

Elise

no problem :)

Vikas

@Elise Unfortunately I can't buy it. I thought it would be cheap but no. It's way more expensive than 1650 :(

Elise

buying a gpu these days is for the rich only

Vikas

yeah

Elise

17:56

I'm still running an r9 390, lol

Vikas

I really need to play 2-3 games and I can't buy one pc. I've a poor 940MX gpu laptop and it sucks :(

It's like I need at this moment the most and I can't afford it.

Elise

someone I know just upgraded from 1070 to 3060 and she said she would send the old gpu to me if I pay shipping, so I might actually get an upgrade

but shipping is gonna be close to $100 cad, lmao

still, much cheaper than buying it

Vikas

@Elise Good. But getting second hands one needs inspection. Some people here do fraud

Elise

eh, I trust her and she said if it doesn't work, she will pay back for the shipping

I'm not paying for the card itself, just the shipping

Vikas

@Nzall but 2000 series still better than 1080 right?

Elise

17:58

@Vikas surprisingly - not really

Nzall

@Vikas depends on the card, really

Elise

2080 is only a tiny bit faster than 1080, all they did with the 2000 series is add support for RTX

Vikas

@Elise $100 is a lot I think

@Nzall RTX 2060 for example?

@Elise Oh

Elise

@Vikas well it's 55-70 usd, she will go to the post office sometime this week and find out which box she can fit the gpu in, so she can give me exact price

dly

1080 > 2060

Nzall

18:00

@Vikas gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/…

Vikas

@dly 🤔

Elise

@Vikas a used 1070 on ebay is like $400+ cad

Nzall

Easiest way to get a comparison is just google CARD1 vs CARD2, it'll usually have UserBenchmark as the first result and you'll be able to compare framerates that way

Elise

and I trust her more than I trust ebay, lol

dly

@Nzall and memory

Vikas

18:01

@dly Oh I think we can't compare the different series.

We need to compare them to see which one is better.

Elise

if you could get something like 3060 at msrp or close to it, that's an excellent value card

Vikas

@Elise ebay charges too much shipping charge here. Not really recommended.

Elise

@Vikas yeah, that too

Vikas

Actually any foreign thing will have more cost

Nzall

@Vikas your 1070 is going to be a meaningful increase over the R9 390

Elise

18:03

@Nzall I think you replied to the wrong person :P

Vikas

@Nzall yeah

Elise

but yeah, iirc the 1070 is something like 40% faster than 390

Nzall

@Elise oh, you're right

Elise

or at least that's what I remember from back when 1070 was first released

Nzall

grey avatars eh, blur together

I'm currently using a 1070, still going strong

Vikas

18:04

I don't know much about amd gpu

Elise

yeah, 1070 is great value

r9 390 is comparable to gtx970, but better

Vikas

I can afford 1050 or 1650 only, that too in laptop. But I feel I will regret it once i buy it

Nzall

I hope it can hold out until next year. I bought it in 2016 and I'm hoping I can upgrade to a computer with a 4000 series card

Elise

1070 was a generational leap in performance over maxwells

Nzall

@Vikas Note that you can't put a desktop GPU into a laptop

Vikas

18:05

laptop gpus are slower

Nzall

And laptop GPUs are not comparable to desktop GPUs in the slightest

Vikas

@Nzall yeah. I meant buying a laptop 😅

Elise

you can't really upgrade a laptop gpu 🤔

oh

1650 is pretty decent for a laptop

Vikas

@Elise I could buy a new laptop

Elise

if you want a desktop and can afford laptop prices, look at pre-builts

Vikas

18:06

@Elise yeah, but newer call of duty game will suck I think.

Elise

pre-built desktops don't have the scalper issues

Nzall

I have a laptop with an RTX 2060. Bought it last year because there was still a chance we'd go on Christmas vacation to Spain, so I wanted a new laptop before then

Elise

you can get pretty good pre-built desktops for like $2000 cad with ryzen 7 and rtx 3060

Vikas

@Elise yeah looked. Desktop is 20% more expensive and I'll need to buy a screen too.

Elise

might even be able to find them for less

@Vikas idk what laptops you're looking at where a desktop at comparable performance is more expensive :P

Vikas

18:07

For past 3-4 months I'm only browsing these stuff and gpu prices 🤣

Nzall

@Vikas Do you currently got a laptop?

Because I think there are certain hacks you can do where you can use your laptop as a screen

Vikas

@Nzall yes. It's good but gpu is bad. i7, 16gb ram and 940mx gpu

@Nzall oh for screen

Elise

I bought a desktop replacement 17" beast of a laptop 6 years ago for $1700. My wife's cheap desktop with i5 outperformed it in every cpu intensive task

Vikas

@Nzall I think they are way to complex?

There's a question on superuser I think about the same. They were complex methods

Nzall

Not necessarily. Windows has Miracast, but that appears to be secondary monitor only

Elise

18:09

@Nzall nothing short of disassembling the laptop and taking the panel out and hooking it up to a monitor controller (which you'd have to buy separate) would be able to provide you with reasonable main monitor experience

you can buy a cheap monitor for under $100

Vikas

@Elise My budget is $700 🤣

Elise

1080p monitors are dirt cheap these days

@Vikas oof, that's like, the price of a decent gpu today

Nzall

@Vikas What region?

Vikas

India

Elise

if you have good second hand market, you might be able to get some good deals there

buying new tho, good luck with that budget 😔

any gpu worth buying is gonna be more than half your budget

Vikas

18:11

Yeah, but for second hand you need to do a lot of effort and then you need trust issues

Elise

yeah, I don't like buying second hand, but we also don't have a local second hand market

tbh you might be better off getting something like a ryzen 5600G with integrated gpu

build a system with that

Vikas

4 months ago I could buy a desktop with 1650 (low profile gpu though) card within my budget, but now it is 30% more costlier

Elise

and then add an external gpu once prices are down

the integrated gpu in a 5600G is still fairly decent

Vikas

@Elise I've heard that integrated ones aren't good?

Elise

intel igpu's are trash

Vikas

18:13

@Elise is there any site/reference where we can compare nvidia with integrated amd gpu?

Elise

amd igpu's are excellent budget choices

@Vikas I'm sure the same one Nzall linked earlier would have that info

I highly recommend logicalincrements.com for build ideas

Vikas

I need to play mainly GTAV and 2-3 COD games. released before 2020

Nzall

@Vikas What's your budget in rupees?

Vikas

@Elise 5600G better than 940MX?

Elise

@Vikas lol definitely

940mx is trash tier

anything less than the 50 series is not worth buying

and 940mx is a cut down version for laptops

Vikas

18:16

@Nzall Actually. It's a bit flexible. If I can get 1660 GPU, I can increase my budget a bit. But I'm looking a desktop around Rs. 60,000

Elise

I wouldn't be surprised if a modern intel igpu would outperform the 940mx tbh

Nzall

@Vikas including monitor?

Vikas

@Elise lol

@Nzall No lol

@Nzall I'll worry about monitor later

Nzall

Damn it, it appears PC Part Picker doesn't support India yet

Elise

if you're looking for the best bang for your buck, I would suggest checking the local second hand market for full builds, people often sell their old PC's as a whole system and you can get some really good deals for cheap

Vikas

18:17

@Elise I'll compare them and see

Elise

I've seen PC's better than mine sold for under $500

Vikas

@Nzall it's fine. I'll check

@Elise a year ago?

Private Pansy

@Elise No warranty though, you're always taking a gamble when buying second hand

Elise

@Vikas well, 2 years ago

but my PC was almost $2000 built new :P

Vikas

@Elise Well. Things were much better 2 years ago.

Elise

18:19

@PrivatePansy yeah of course, it's always a gamble

Nzall

@Vikas logicalincrements.com set this to India and it'll show you a couple of sub 60K Rs.

Elise

@Vikas yeah, but there's a ton of people who don't follow tech news or just need some money asap

Vikas

Sometimes I just Google how much it rained in Taiwan so that drought is over and chip prices come down. LOL

Elise

and when buying a full system, you're more likely to get better, "wholesale" deals than when buying individual parts

if you want new - look at prebuilts, they weren't hit by the scalpers

Vikas

@Nzall Oh now I remember this site. I checked it briefly few months ago. I'll go through again.

Elise

18:21

I remember a while ago at the peak of the bitcoin craze, best buy was selling prebuilts with rx580 in them for less than rx580 sold on ebay

some people were buying the prebuilts and then selling it for parts on ebay for profit

Vikas

@Elise I'm getting an Acer desktop i5, 1060 in my budget. But I'm hoping for slight better deal.

@Elise I hate it.

Elise

try to get something that's not all fancy looking and proprietary

acer should be fine

Nzall

Avoid Dell like it's gonna infect you with COVID

Elise

but I know some Dell prebuilts have proprietary motherboards and proprietary psu's that can barely run what they're built for

Nzall

Like, Dell is full of proprietary parts and scummy business practices

Elise

18:23

gotta be careful with prebuilts, because the big brands use proprietary stuff and they skimp on psu's and motherboards

Vikas

@Nzall I hate Dell. My current laptop costed me too much and gaming sucks. I realized it only a few months later that I did buy a bad product.

Asus is cheaper than Dell here

Elise

people like big numbers, so they will have a fancy cpu, fancy gpu, lots of ram, but the motherboard is trash and psu is running at 100% the whole time gasping for air

Vikas

@Elise proprietary?

Elise

non-standardized

only works with their stuff

can't upgrade

Nzall

@Vikas parts that you can't easily replace

Vikas

18:25

@Elise the one I'm seeing has low profile GPUs. Are they bad? Actually most prebuilt I'm browsing has reviews that GPU is low profile.

Elise

like back in the day all phones had proprietary cables 😂

Vikas

@Nzall oh ok

Elise

@Vikas eh, likely poorer cooling, but it shouldn't necessarily be bad

Nzall

For example, Dell has motherboards that don't fit the standard motherboard fittings, or worse have something that sticks out of the case at the top that makes it harder to replace

Vikas

@Elise ok. I had asked a question too few hours ago about the same on main site

Nzall

18:26

And Dell also REALLY likes to trick you into getting extended warranty and other unnecessary surplus charges

Elise

with low profile gpu's you kinda have to check them out individually

Nzall

If you got the time, I recommend you check out Linus Tech Tips Secret Shopper 2020

Elise

some low profile gpu's have inadequately tiny fans

Vikas

@Nzall the problem is prebuilt desktops don't have detailed description like what GPU they have (full size or low profile) and what motherboard etc.

@Nzall I almost bought an extended warranty but then cancelled it. My laptop battery and keyboard sucks.

@Nzall ok

@Nzall LOL the intro is funny. James Bond

Nzall

They have Sarah, one of their non-techie sales people buy 4 different computers over the phone and Dell was the absolute worst every single step of the way. The Dell sales rep tried to upsell Sarah on various things a dozen times, getting decline every time, and he STILL included those things. Then the PC arrived and the memory was single channel, which leaves a lot of performance on the table these days

Vikas

18:31

How can we know memory is single channel?

Nzall

@Vikas how many sticks are used. One stick is single channel, 2 or 4 sticks is dual channel, 3 sticks is a mix

You want 2 or 4 sticks, not 1 or 3

Vikas

@Nzall my laptop has 2 ram sticks. 1 came with it, 8gb and i bought another 8gb. So it's called dual channel?

Nzall

@Vikas yeah, that's dual channel

It effectively means that both sticks can be used at the same time

which massively increases your performance

Vikas

@Nzall RAM itself isn't single/dual channel? I vaguely remember when I was shopping this RAM I was searching dual channel RAM. I maybe wrong though.

@Nzall So it depends on Motherboard? How many slots it has?

Nzall

@Vikas No, RAM itself is not single or dual channel. However, if you are going dual channel and buying RAM for a new computer, you need to make sure you get matched sticks, so identical frequency, timing and size on both sticks

Vikas

18:35

@Nzall yeah I'm aware of this ferquency thing

Nzall

@Vikas yeah, indeed. Most motherboards have an even number of slots, so it should be fine

Vikas

@Nzall Oh got it

@Nzall But if it has 3 slots and we put 2 ram sticks. That would also be fine?

Nzall

@Vikas it would be fine, but I don't think there are any worthwhile motherboards with 3 slots

Vikas

ok

thank you everyone

Nzall

@Vikas One final thing you should be careful of: there are some RAM manufacturers right now who, in an attempt to meet demands for RAM, are making RAM sticks with subpar components that are significantly slower. Essentially, where good RAM sticks have 8 RAM modules, 4 on each side, the bad ones have only 4, on 1 side, with double capacity. However, this slows them down significantly

The Dirty Way Manufacturers are Downgrading Your PC

►

Vikas

18:42

@Nzall I buy crucial rams

or any other well known brand

@Elise @Nzall one problem i feel if i build a pc with any amd integrated cpu is i can't upgrade it later with nvidia. I read that motherboards can cause compatibility problems. I could satisfy myself for now with low entry and later upgrade it after 1 year or 2, but it can have compatibility issues.

so i'll need to buy several parts again

Elise

20:14

@Vikas what? sure you can, where did you hear this?

as long as the motheboard has a proper pci-e slot for the dedicated gpu, it will work

did you know almost all intel cpu's have an integrated gpu?

Lazers 2.0

21:11

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I have pulled some new heroes from a recent banner, but the story quest I am trying to do has level 49 enemies. When using my 'best' team, they are not strong enough and just die all the time. I've tried lots of different team combinations, and have died every time. What effective techniques can ...

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Wipqozn

23:04

Sounds like D2 is a bit of a mess

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