I understand that not everyone will be happy just knowing a single example, and will want to know all of them, but we've at least been able to satisfy a few more users without causing chaos by allowing list answers.
That's my point, say "Yes, they exist. Here's an example. Here's how to find other examples". And then close the question before everyone starts adding their own examples and voting on how cool they are.
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@bwarner Again, I just don't get it. That doesn't make sense. Sure, I suppose it's somewhat helpful to the asker, but it: 1) requires lots of moderation on a tag that definitely grew out of control and 2) reflects poorly and inconsistently on our site.
@Mana You're going to close them anyway, why not wait until they at least get one answer? And if that answer is "No such thing exists" then what is the need to close it?
I'm not arguing for game-rec, I followed that whole discussion and agreed with the final result. I just don't equate game-rec with "How can I add spies to Civ 5?"
@badp If the question is really just "Does X exist" I think that would be reasonable. If the asker clearly knows that X exists and is just looking for a list, I'm fine with closing the question from the start.
@Grace True, but I'm just afraid that if we did that he would either a) not get mods suggested to him as an answer or b) get told that mods would be how but not be given any specific examples
@Mana We've gone over this. A question that asks to solve a problem, if the answer is an existing program/website/mod, it will naturally come as a good answer.
When hovering the cursor over someone's reputation number in the user page, instead of an underline appearing below the number like with usual links, the line appears much higher and looks like a strike-through line:
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What matters is what X is. If you're asking for a list of games or game-like items, against our policy. If you're asking for how to solve or alter something, then it's more acceptable barring whatever other modifiers it may run afoul of.
Even if that were so, isn't the biggest argument against one answer per item that it screws up reputation and voting? One comment per item seems to have neither of those issues.
I recently asked this question and I got downvoted and hated and closed into oblivion. I dident even use the 'B' word! I simply asked for people to give one recommendation per answer so people could upvote and talk about each recommendation easier.
What gives?
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Like any other Apple product, OS X prides itself on the little details. When, earlier last week, I used my professor's Mac briefly to give a quick project presentation (mine decided to do a chkdsk at the wrong time, heh), I got the distinct feeling some were put intentionally to make the uninitia...
still, it requires a lot of discipline. A lot of people don't get CW means "please edit me" and instead comment on the answer etc.; the answer needs a lot of cleaning from unrelated items...
@bwarner This is why I hate the term mod. It's too overloaded. In other news, I'm going to update the "What is a game rec anyway" posting with a note about lists, and specifically the kind of list that game-rec makes undesirable.
@instanceofTom Except the fact that it's not a real question, it's off-topic, it's noise and pointless, it's subjective and argumentative (and badly so), it's open-ended, it was opened and closed countless times, it (probably, I don't have 10k) needed protection and locking because it just couldn't die and now has been deleted?
@badp, the following are issues that stem from the overeager closing complex that SE has: it was opened and closed countless times, it (probably, I don't have 10k) needed protection and locking because it just couldn't die and now has been deleted?
as for: it's off-topic, it's noise and pointless, it's subjective and argumentative, if you were on StackOverflow id agree, but the version on Programmers seemed quite fitting to me
Yah, sorry, I don't agree that there is a broad overeager closing issue. This was a borderline question, we had a healthy discussion about it, and now it is reopened. That says to me that the system is working how it should.
Hey all. There's a lot more to Programmers than being SO Lite. We are trying to build a site where questions about software design and subjective issues can be answers in a thoughtful and meaningful way. Picking a "best" programmer cartoon or naming a programmer's cat aren't useful questions, although they may be entertaining.
If someone like Joel and Jeff comes along and decides to make a Q&A system that actually works with all of the subjective stuff, power to them. But all I've ever seen on that front is Yahoo Answers.
Programmers started out as a place for "stuff that's off-topic on SO" and it evolved out of that during beta precisely because it wasn't a sustainable model for a quality site.
I understand 'whats your favorite programmer blog' not belonging on Stackoverflow, however that question on a traditional forum wouldn't produce nearly as valuable of content as when its in a Q&A rep based site (people need motivation to post)
@Anna, you and i have been back and fourth on this several times
@instanceofTom StackOverflow has the right audience to answer that, but it's the same kind of audience that gets alienated by those questions in the first place.
People come on SO (and by extension SE) for a noise-free Q&A, we can't just put the noise in the format of a question and hope they'll then like it.
There is a difference between "subjective" as in "has no right answer" and "subjective" as in "based on different experiences". We try to focus on the latter.
Chat puts the noise on a separate place, so that we can share jokes if we really want to, but we don't clutter it up for everybody else in the process.
If your site doesn't chat enough, take it up on meta.
What could make a SE subjective Q&A site not become crap like yahoo answers? Proper execution, and proper community mindset. I don't think that the SE sites are too far technically from being a great execution for it, so whats holding it back is the communities attitude- which is built and reinforced by the scars of a few flubs early in the process
Building a community mindset that's focused on the level of quality sufficient to appease Jeff & Co is non-trivial, though. Many people would rather go for the sheer entertainment value.
honestly, would it be too much skin off anyone's back if we had a place where 'whats your favorite programmers blog' had a place to live? If you dont want to see that then stay away from that SE site. Or let them exist on the regular SE sites, and lets make a special tag that automatically hides questions from showing up unless you specifically search for that tag. Noise problem solved!
@instance I think one of the points here is that places like that already exist: Discussion forums, which are inherently better for handling those types of "questions."
@FallenAngelEyes Not really. I feel like StackExchange is better in one sense for handling those types of questions, but that both are pretty horrible for them
Ok people stop suggesting discussion forms, if you honestly think about what i am suggesting you will see that a discussion form, which is strictly linear, doesnt have per post rating systems, and allows responses responses, is not the proper avenue for this type of stuff
@Anna i suspect the reason it flopped in area-51 is the highly reiterated stigma against this concept in the first place, more so than the idea itself being flawed
@instanceofTom They were rejected by the SOIS team, far as I know, not the Area 51 community.
Oh, on a gaming-related topic... Fable 3 screwed me over. Apparently if you make all the "evil" decisions, you still won't get enough money to save everybody and the game will jump 3 months in the future and screw you out of an achievement. >.<
I've fought long and hard for the EVE Online proposal. So I won't try to claim that it may still pass, I agree that it looks dead.
I would like to point out though that there really is no chance that the community surrounding it will move to the Gaming SE because we already have Skill Training C...
Beta Q&A site for people who like playing board games, designing board games or modifying the rules of existing board games. Card games, too, because some games really can be classified as both.
I have two screens and use them heavily for work; I absolutely require the ability to maximize an application to take just one screen.
Burnout Paradise has a dual-screen mode which works fine if I "unify" my screens (can't remember the term for that). This means that a maximized window spans bot...
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Due to the overwhelming quantity of flaws that outweigh the positives of the policy Allow game-rec as Community Wiki if they are specific enough to only have a few answers, it is now withdrawn as an option. These flaws include but are not li...
When hovering the cursor over someone's reputation number in the user page, instead of an underline appearing below the number like with usual links, the line appears much higher and looks like a strike-through line:
(cursor doesn't appear in the screenshot, but it's there, hovering ove...
I recently asked this question and I got downvoted and hated and closed into oblivion. I dident even use the 'B' word! I simply asked for people to give one recommendation per answer so people could upvote and talk about each recommendation easier.
What gives?
An update: I am more confused the...
When getting out of a free standing minecart (not on a rail), is it possible to do so without moving (pushing) it at all?
I sometimes see people comfortably parachuting down high places like buildings or hilltops. How do I do this?
