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10:00 PM
@QAdley You're taking the job then.
@QAdley The articles on Communism and Marxism don't say either advocate for the dissolution of ownership. Communism advocates for the common ownership of the means of production.
I can't think of a socio-economic theory that advocates for the dissolution of ownership. Anarchism?
Q: What is the purpose of adding more than one answer to a question?

Steve V.I just answered a question, and after my answer appeared, there was a button that said "Add Another Answer". My understanding is that a good question should have a single "best" answer - that's why we can only award one "accepted answer" to any particular question. Why then is there an option f...

@MarkTrapp Some anarchists do, yes, but it's not universal.
There are also some branches of mainline communism that do, but again, it's a fringy thing.
@Lazers bad steve! MOAR TAGS!
Please remember to always use at least two tags on meta questions!
10:06 PM
@QAdp I prefer to use seven tags.
@LessPop_MoreFizz hmmm... taboo tagging
@LessPop_MoreFizz Ah yes, collectivist anarchism
> My understanding is that a good question should have a single "best" answer
Just remember kids, Meta questions are worthless. Like the shirts on the clearance rack. And like the shirts on the clearance rack, they should have more than one tag.
Well, really any collectivist ideology
10:07 PM
@LessPop a single clap
@MarkTrapp Was about to say.
@RonanForman Woohoo! I got the clap! The single clap!
And that's one more than that joke deserves.
@RonanForman Sez you.
@RonanForman I clapped -1 times, thereby cancelling out your clap with my anti-clap.
We'll see if you're still saying that when I tell your mother about that clap.
10:11 PM
now order has been restored.
"There's often more than one way to shave a camel." Cat Skinners United Local 1202 denounces this encroachment into sovereign idiomatic territory.
@MarkTrapp Thanks for pointing that out. I down voted @QAdp for crossing the picket line.
@MarkTrapp Cats don't want to be shaved!
@QAdp Bourgeoise puppet.
At any rate coming up with the second answer took me way too much time
10:14 PM
@QAdp They need to be skinned! Why are you taking food out of the mouths of 7th generation idioms?
Proletaridioms of the world, unite!
ha! You censorer of the common idiom!
And now @QAdp has the GALL to try to ABUSE his power to HOLD THE WORKING IDIOM DOWN.
First you defend it and then you remove it!
10:15 PM
This is literally worse than 5 Hitler shavers.
59.51 precisely. Some were missing limbs
Camel shavings started the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, true story
I read it on the internet 40 seconds ago, it must be true. Some Mark Trap guy
@LessPop FOUR!!!
10:19 PM
@QAdp What, you fat cats can't deign to spend the extra money on the second 'p' in my name? ATTICA ATTICA
@MarkTrapp Athens Athens?
The Attica Prison riot occurred at the Attica Correctional Facility in Attica, New York, United States in 1971. The riot was based in part upon prisoners' demands for better living conditions. On September 9, 1971, responding, in part, to the death of prisoner George Jackson, a black radical activist prisoner who had been shot to death by corrections officers in California's San Quentin Prison on August 21, about 1,000 of the Attica prison's approximately 2,200 inmates rebelled and seized control of the prison, taking 33 staff hostage. During the following four days of negotiations, autho...
@QAdp This and this
You and your unoriginal names
Attica (, Attikí; ) is a historical region of Greece, which includes Athens, the current capital of Greece. The historical region is centered on the Attic peninsula, which projects into the Aegean Sea. The Attica region, the modern administrative region of Greece, is more extensive than the historical region and includes several islands and part of the Peloponnese. The history of Attica is tightly linked with that of Athens, which, from the classical period, was one of the most important cities in the ancient world. Geography Attica is a triangular peninsula jutting into the Aegea...
10:23 PM
@QAdp A ton of upstate New York towns and cities are named after Roman and Greek cities. I used to know why but now I forget
@MarkTrapp It's not just NY. Weather Underground keeps thinking I want to know the weather of Milan, TX.
The Military Tract of Central New York, also called the New Military Tract, consisted of nearly two million acres (8,000 km²) of bounty land set aside to compensate New York’s soldiers after their participation in the Revolutionary War. The United States Congress had already guaranteed each soldier at least 100 acres (0.4 km²) at the end of the war (depending on rank), but by 1781, New York had enlisted only about half of the quota set by the U.S. congress and needed a stronger incentive. The state legislature authorized an additional 500 acres (2 km²) per soldier, using land from 25 Mil...
@QAdp It's particularly bad/notable in Western and Central New York: Ithaca, Syracuse, Rome, Attica, Carthage, etc.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Aha, that's right
There's also Troy right outside Albany
10:26 PM
And Utica
I went to college just outside Utica
What a sorry, sorry city. That and Rome. Much of central New York is depressing
@MarkTrapp Yeah. Utica is really really depressing. :(
Rochester is the worst though.
Utica is just... empty. It's like a ghost town, it has the infrastructure of a city with four times it's population. But it doesn't feel impoverished and derelict like downtown rochester does.
Rochester has some good parts: the richy rich neighborhoods like Brighton
@MarkTrapp This is true. but it's lows are so much lower.
10:29 PM
Meanwhile Albany is falling apart. Another one of the old center square row houses collapsed last night. :(
@LessPop_MoreFizz Sounds like Sparta. The real one
(I wasn't there, all I know is it's a very anonymous city)
Albany is extra weird because you have all these gorgeous 19th century row houses, and all this beautiful pre-war architecture and shit, and then, springing out of the dead center of it, you have this sprawling modernist behemoth that is the LOB and the Egg.
The LOB is the goofiest building.
Well, second goofiest:
The Egg is a performing arts venue in Albany, New York. Named for the shape it resembles, it was designed by Harrison & Abramovitz as part of the Empire State Plaza project, and built between 1966 and 1978. It is located in the northeast corner of the Plaza. It has become an icon of New York's Capital District, due to its unusual shape and central location. The Egg is slightly inclined, and has a small pedestal on which it appears to sit. In fact, the building is held by a stem that goes down six stories into the Plaza. Attached to this stem is a concrete girdle that surrounds The Egg...
I can never tell what counts as such, but the LOB reminds me of the Brutalist buildings that were in vogue all over New York in the 60s. The county executive building where I grew up was the worst
10:36 PM
Yeah, that's pretty awful.
My high school was designed by a dude whose entire architectural body of work other than my high school was prisons.
It showed.
If I were to put a bounty on a question with only one answer, and that answer was mine. What happens after expiry? I assume I can't award it to myself?
@danRhul You lose the rep and nothing happens
Assuming nobody else adds a new answer with 2 score or higher in the meantime
Bounties are a gamble
@MarkTrapp But essentially you could advertise your answer. As most questions / answers in the featured section are grossly over upvoted
10:39 PM
@danRhul Yes. Yes you could.
This is in fact one of the 'purposes' of bounties.
@LessPopMoreFizz Seriously?
In my experience though, it's rare that you come out ahead on your 50 rep investment in that respect.
@danRhul No, that type of abuse of bounties is looked down upon and accounted for in bounty costs
@MarkTrapp Yeah, I was about to clarify that it's generally more for promoting other peoples answers.
@LessPopMoreFizz Oh you thinking within that spectrum.
10:40 PM
Part of the 'exceptional answer' bounty award reason, IMO, is to attract up votes to said exceptional answer as well as awarding the rep.
Right, that's fine and encouraged. Not promoting your own answer
@LessPopMoreFizz It's a shame I've seen that type of bounty on a one sentence answer before
@danRhul Sometimes there are other reasons.
@MarkTrapp Promoting your own answer, while not encouraged, is also not disallowed however. THe bounty cost changes are there to prevent extreme abuse.
But if your answer is good enough for you to come out ahead with such tactics - which, as I've noted, is difficult - then go for it. Just know that it's usually pretty transparent and that there might be some down votes to go with the up votes, and it can be tough to come through in the black
@MarkTrapp I don't think its much different to asking a question and then answering it yourself. Essentially, that is to bring attention to the quality of both your own question and answer
@LessPopMoreFizz I wasn't planning on it, it was just a random pondering
I think I've had enough trouble with rep irregularities
@danRhul For example, I've used an 'exceptional answer' bounty to award rep to somebody who I thought was responsible for the greatest comment in the history of the site.
10:44 PM
@LessPopMoreFizz Do link. I think I awarded exceptional answer when sacrificing my rep.
"Origin doesn't install anything that a reasonable person would consider malware/nasty." Unless you buy Street Fighter X Tekken. Then it installs Street Fighter X Tekken. — Joe Wreschnig Jun 2 at 19:09
Ha, could be applied to so many games.
I've never even played Street Fighter X Tekken. I know nothing about it whatsoever.
I have no idea if it's any good.
Who knows, it could be the best game ever made..
@danRhul Bumping for the sake of bumping (essentially what a bounty you don't intend to award to anyone is) is definitely not the same qualitatively as answering your own question. Answering your own question adds value to the community by providing an answer. Bumping or self-bountying does not, and that type of self-service generally is met with some hostility
10:48 PM
Alright people, here's the deal. If someone doesn't ask a question I can answer on the main site in the next 30 minutes, this kitten gets it.
@QAtash Cat Skinners United Local 1202 applauds your pledge to keep American workers employed
I think sometimes we have a bit too much meta in our meta
Hmm 2k rep can edit posts w/o review? What happens if I'm unsure of an edit and want 2nd set of eyes on it
@Alok asking here is always a good way to get feedback
10:50 PM
@Alok Link to your edits in chat and ask someone, or just leave it alone and wait for the rollback wars to come in
@MarkTrapp That's nonsense. I'd wager that someone else would answer on the question, and thus adds value to the community
@MarkTrapp Heh I guess that's true as well; if its wrong someone will rollback in 2mins
@danRhul You're looking at it from the wrong angle. The purpose of this site is to provide answers to questions, the reputation game is there solely to encourage that. Anything that gets in the way of answers to questions coming in—whether it's purposefully holding back answers to allow someone else to get the rep or bumping posts with no new information for the purposes of accruing more rep—is implicitly bad.
There is no right or wrong angle. Adding a bounty doesn't get in the way of answers to questions coming in..
It encourages it
@danRhul If the question is already sufficiently answered and you have no intention to award the bounty to anyone for providing a new answer, it pushes questions that actually need answers farther down the page.
10:56 PM
Frankly, I don't understand how you could possibly think people bumping questions to get more rep for themselves benefits anyone other than that person
@MarkTrapp At no point have I said that bumping questions is a benefit to the community, or in fact mentioned bumping questions at all. It has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If you're going to have a conversation, please try to not make things up.
Secondly, who decides whether a question is sufficiently answered, who says I wouldn't award the bounty to anyone else. And technically that bounty would be auto-awarded
I provided a conditional: if your intention is to merely promote your answer in an attempt to get more rep for it, you're doing it wrong. If that isn't your intention, there's no problem and I'm not quite sure what you're trying to rationalize. Placing bounties to get new answers or to award exceptional existing answers by other people is the point of the system, as both LessPop and I have said
Yet you have somehow contrived to entertain the opposite rationale of why I envisaged such an action.
Now that can be stuck in everyone else's head to. Ha
11:03 PM
there you go
@danRhul take a step back from the ledge. You provided the hypothetical: "But essentially you could advertise your answer. As most questions / answers in the featured section are grossly over up voted" I've provided a response to that hypothetical.
Ooh. 660 DPS 2-hander for level 50.
@QAtash That one I can't tell from the poster frame.
@MarkTrapp Matt Damon's weirdest cameo ever
AUGH people are tempting me to check out the secret world
but every fiber of my being knows it will be terrible and a waste of money
11:05 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz I've heard it's like Vampire the Masquerade the MMO. I'm highly skeptical
@MarkTrapp Everything I'm hearing is that it's actually really really good
But that goes against everything I know to be true about Funcom and MMOs and Video Games with these sorts of promises.
The temptation would be much less strong were I not bored out of my mind and in need of a new game lately
And I have a narrative-rpg-with-modernish-graphics itch that needs scratching.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I watched Totalbiscuit's livestream of it: didn't seem all that special. Definitely had a narrative and definite takes place in a modern setting though
(My standards of modernish are very very low. VTM:Bloodlines would qualify. NWN2 would qualify for fucks sake.)
It's 90s song time! ;)
11:09 PM
@MarkTrapp Modern as in I can't handle infinity engine stuff at the moment, not modern as in takes place in the modern era.
@QAtash I'd counter, but it looks like everything is already in the related column of Stacy's Mom
@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh, then it's not that. The graphics are marginally better than VtM Bloodlines
From what I could tell at least
@MarkTrapp That's fine.
Honestly, more than 'modern graphics', what I really mean is I can't handle reading a novel instead of being shown things.
@MarkTrapp Didn't see Barbie Girl. That one was next ;)
11:10 PM
It's just not what I want right now.
Then you've got Tubthumping
Otherwise, I'd go dig up some old infinity engine type stuff.
and anything else I can find
Omg yay 90s music is like my childhood
11:12 PM
@MarkTrapp Haha, a good one lol
Only 90s kids will get this amirite
Seeing as how I'm from Seattle, I have to post that one
@QAtash Nevermind that the last two youtube videos posted were also from Seattle bands..
@LessPop_MoreFizz Harvey Danger is Seattle? Didn't know that
11:15 PM
@QAtash Yup.
As is the Long Winters. (Obviously, seeing as the Long Winters is ex-Harvey Danger.)
I could've done pearl jam or any number of others, but smells like teen spirit is usually considered the defining Seattle grunge song
@QAtash Seattle has such a huge and vibrant and varied musical tradition and it always depresses the fuck out of me to see it reduced to grunge.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Huh, interesting: I never bothered to keep tabs on what happened to them after I went to college
11:18 PM
(And yes, I know Beat Happening is technically Olympia although you probably wouldn't know that unless you wikipedia'd them to annoy me but I AM TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.)
@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh, I agree. I actually don't even like Nirvana (most of their songs anyway) but what can you do
@LessPop_MoreFizz If you're going to get technical, Nirvana is technically Aberdeen.
Fun fact, Kurt Cobain in his 'Wear a dress and spell it Kurdt Kobain' days was in a band with Calvin Johnson (the singer from beat Happening). They were TWEE AS FUCK.
Serious K Records obscurity shit right here.
@QAtash No no no no no no make the bad thing go away thank you for not one boxing it at least.
11:21 PM
Haha, not a fan of Everclear? lol
@LessPop_MoreFizz Eh, nothing special.
@GnomeSlicE It's not a great song, it's more of a historical curiosity than anything.
YouTube is sucking me into the deep, sad hole of 90s pop rock. Oh and my. Although the latter is barely 90s
@MarkTrapp That's how you do sideburns
11:27 PM
Those are some mutton chops
Those are some FLOOD pants.
I apologize for starting this. My bad everyone
I really really really really really want this to happen eventually.
@QAtash Your decade is bad and you should feel bad!
@MarkTrapp The 90s were awesome and there is no denying it. It's not even close to possible
11:29 PM
I deny this I say as I wear my snap bracelets and parachute pants
There are so many awesome things that happened in the 90s, I can't even begin to name them all. You can't touch the 90s.
dang, <del> tag didn't work :/
@QAtash Art Attack
Bill Nye (The Science Guy)
TMNT was mostly in the 90s. The best Disney movies.
@MarkTrapp Every once in a while I get in the mood to listen to a whole bunch of that stuff.
Power Rangers
My childhood was awesome
@FAE Me too. Then halfway through, I remember being a stupid teenager and get annoyed. Get a job, young Mark!
@MarkTrapp I have a whole Spotify playlist with those songs, haha
Oh, biggest win from the 90s. The Web. You're welcome
Ok, nostalgia trip is over. The 90s are sucking me back in and that is not going to end well for me.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play Pokemon
@RonanForman what's this you wanted to show me?
@FAE I know last time you really liked the music I linked in here, so what do you think of this:
Vanish is amazing.
11:49 PM
@GnomeSlicE Shall listen and let you know
Q: Having a hard time getting better at Rock Band drums, what can i do to improve?

kriegarI've been playing Rock Band off and on since the first incarnation, with most of my time spent playing the drums. I think I've reached a plateau and haven't seen much improvement in my scores. I can sight read gold star almost any 2 difficulty song, and most of the 3 difficult songs. However, I ...

I don't think this question is terribly good... oh wow, I thought it was a new question.
Still voting to close.
@GnomeSlicE I didn't not like it, but it didn't really capture me in a way that made me go "I really need to listen to more of this person"
@GnomeSlicE I disagree on a VTC on this one, as I feel it's an example of Good Subjective.
Here, have a song that isn't 20 years old:

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