The Bridge

tzenes

18:01

Yeah all I saw there was NGE

McKay

NGE?

alexanderpas

18:20

@McKay, have you played Dwarf Fortress? it's a Fun Game.

Arda Xi

can any fellow DF players help me on this one?

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A: Why are some questions tagged [fun]?

It's an in-joke. Anything negative that happens in Dwarf Fortress (like flooding your fort after cutting through the wrong stone or wounding a dwarf) is referred to as fun, as it is the most entertaining part of the game. Fun is actually a redirect to Losing on their wiki, and it does apply to D...

McKay

I've been in a lot of Forums and stuff where it's been discussed.

alexanderpas

you're missing out.

McKay

I've actually been warned against it by someone whose taste is similar to mine.

alexanderpas

what was the reason?

McKay

18:22

Fun?

Arda Xi

it's not a game of instant gratification

McKay

yeah, I'd probably give it a shot if I had more time.

at this point, based on what I've heard, I'd probably put beating a dozen or so games ahead of it.

Arda Xi

I managed to have Fun within a couple hours the first time

ran out of booze

alexanderpas

but the detail of the details are very detailed. Dwarfs have bones, which can break after they fall from a high place, and then another dwarf needs to bring the onconcious dwarf to bed, where he rests for several months, healing his broken bones and lung. during all this time, the other dwarfs will care for him (if they're not busy) and finally, he dies anyways because his wounds got infected. (happened to me)

Arda Xi

I love the way it actually makes up mythology which hardly anyone ever reads, and they all have relationships

McKay

18:27

oh yeah, the detail is very very impressive

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas did you have a hospital?

alexanderpas

was the miner from the embark group :D

Arda Xi

how did he fall so high?

alexanderpas

channeling a project from the wrong side.

Arda Xi

I flooded my fortress at the start

luckily it was in a mountain so at the same z-level as outside, so the water just went away

built my actual fortress slightly north and kept that area as my farm

alexanderpas

18:30

afterwards i had a nice ceiling light in my future dining hall (intended), and a badly injured miner (unintended)

Arda Xi

so from which side should he have built it?

alexanderpas

he should've channeled that last tile from the outside, not on top of the structure that was going to fall down.

Arda Xi

ah

I finally learnt to put my still's brew drink task on repeat

alexanderpas

Urist McBrewer Cancels Work: Hunting for Vermin.

Arda Xi

how do you do english names again?

alexanderpas

18:39

Edit raws?

Arda Xi

I thought there was a setting

like there is for fortress names

(at least there's english names for them)

alexanderpas

do you mean nicknames?

Arda Xi

never mind, I'm probably thinking wrong

anyway, my Carpenter cancels Fill Pond: Need Empty Bucket right before he fulfils the order for a bucket I just set

alexanderpas

Urist McCarpenter cancels Fill Pond: Need Empty Bucket - Urist McCarpenter just made a Bucket.

Arda Xi

that's even better

tzenes

18:42

@McKay Neon Gensis Evangelion

Arda Xi

what kind of names are those

alexanderpas

Rated D for Dwarf

Arda Xi

ahh

I still need to learn a lot of culture

alexanderpas

just wait until you get to HFS (no link on purpose, spoilers)

Arda Xi

I know, hidden fun stuff, right

alexanderpas

18:47

yeah.

Arda Xi

captnduck mentions it in his first df2010 video

shows it too

McKay

@tzenes I guess I thought you were talking about something else

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas I'm too lazy to dig that far down

alexanderpas

well, you can always meet the old HFS on the way down.

Arda Xi

caverns?

alexanderpas

18:52

Eerie glowing pit

Arda Xi

but digging down is so much work, building all those staircases

don't get me wrong, I'd love some more Fun, but I'm too lazy

doing work for Fun seems vaguely ironic

alexanderpas

there is always the option of:

Arda Xi

what game is that based on anyway?

alexanderpas

LotR

Arda Xi

oh right

it's been a long time since I've read it

alexanderpas

18:55

Books >> games < movie

Arda Xi

are we talking about LotR or in general?

alexanderpas

LotR

Arda Xi

ah, okay

wouldn't know

haven't played any game and still have to watch it..

alexanderpas

movie is good for first introduction, then you read the books, then you watch the extended edition of the movies, then you read the books again.

Arda Xi

I skipped stage one, did stage two, guess I'll have to go to three

alexanderpas

18:59

acceptable, stage one is skippable.

Arda Xi

Oh great, Urist McArtist made a masterpiece out of my hospital table

well, I'll save that for when I need a masterpiece

argh, another

alexanderpas

that can actually be nice, they get nice toughts from a good hospital table, to counter all the bad tought from getting damaged. ;)

Arda Xi

fair enough

and she keeps doing it

alexanderpas

:79962 having fun?

Arda Xi

sure

pff, why not auto-assign experts to their jobs

alexanderpas

19:03

and when you have enough of it, you just open the floodgates!

Arda Xi

right, I still need to build those :)

I now have the same dorf set as 4 nobles

well, keeps the requirements easy

alexanderpas

works for a while... until he has too much to do.

Arda Xi

uh oh, crushed McMason

better make a graveyard

alexanderpas

anyways, what stupid dwarf trick shall i do today?

Arda Xi

Rehabilitation Centre: build a Dutch prison

hey, I just killed my bad Mason

this game even has natural selection

hmm, if stonesense would be interactive this game would be a lot more marketable

@alexanderpas is metal usually just a lot lower?

alexanderpas

19:24

yep, the deeper you go, the better stuff you get (and be sure to look for veins!)

Arda Xi

and the only way to dig deeper is to make two staircases all the time, right?

alexanderpas

df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Exploratory_mining

Arda Xi

how would you dig straight down, channeling?

that doesn't seem healthy

alexanderpas

just designate that up/down stair, all below eachother.

Arda Xi

ah, you can do them on top of each other

it's logical, but I never thought of it

why is my stairway a big X all of a sudden

tzenes

19:33

Apparently this carl guy has it in for me

alexanderpas

Up and down.

tzenes

1

A: How to counter early marauders in PvT (Protoss versus Terran)?

The correct strat would be to do a quick transition to Void Rays, Colossus or Immortals, were Marauders are a pain in the early game before you get zealot charge and are better against all of the gateway units. They are however weak against immortals and cant attack voidrays. You just have to wa...

Arda Xi

that used to be displayed as an actual staircase

tzenes

look at the comments

alexanderpas

> = down, < is up, X is up/down

Arda Xi

19:34

I'm using a tileset

which is what confuses me

tzenes

your tileset shouldn't replace X, as that's the same X used for words

Arda Xi

my staircases alternate between ahb.me/fpH ahb.me/fpI and ahb.me/fpJ

oh right, up/down on the same level

facepalm

argh, now my miner refuses to mine the area

he has no job at all

:80309 competitive downvoting? you didn't even answer that one

tzenes

did you check for bad thoughts?

McKay

@ardaxi Yeah, he's a bit crazy.

Arda Xi

he does other jobs fine

tzenes

19:41

:80391 that's what I said. What's even more I think I know the question he's refering to and I didn't down vote int hat question either

Arda Xi

just not on that level

tzenes

I think he's refering to this question: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/4798/…

Arda Xi

refuses to be done by anyone

tzenes

:80409 is there nothing else left to mine?

alexanderpas

the stairs only go to below.

Arda Xi

19:43

there are downward stairs on the level above though

tzenes

OH

haha

Arda Xi

and I did give the order to make upward stairs

tzenes

you need up stairs too

yeah, it doesn't work like that

alexanderpas

they want to get out too.

tzenes

you need to be able to get down to that level to make upstairs

Arda Xi

19:44

I know, that's why I said, I did give the order

so I have a catch-22?

tzenes

they'll trap themselves but they can't go down to a level that doesn't have upstairs

yeah, just dig around it and build new stairs

you can fill in spaces with walls later

alexanderpas

learning moment: just simply use those up/down stairs always, they're future proof.

Arda Xi

but, on the z-level above it I have up/down stairs

tzenes

doesn't matter

you can't go down to a level that doesn't have upstairs

down stairs = hole in floor

up stairs are the stairs part

Arda Xi

so how do I fix it

alexanderpas

19:47

build up/down next to it. (make a detour)

Arda Xi

on the z-level above it?

tzenes

the bottom line is, if you're digging, always build up/down

alexanderpas

both.

Arda Xi

can't on both

I can only make a downward staircase on the one above it

which fixed the problem

thanks

tzenes

right, if you have already cleared stone you have to Construct the stairs

Arda Xi

19:53

discovered a cavern

Ivo Flipse

well ladies, see you tomorrow!

alexanderpas

I really need a new dedicated hard drive for my steam games... something like 1TB or something...

Arda Xi

not a good idea

Most 1TB+ drives are really slow, makes loading takes ages

then again, I'm too lazy to do it properly so I just put all my games on my 1.5 TB drive

alexanderpas

I know... it's just that I have too much games...

Arda Xi

get the 1 TB drive, but don't put all your games on it

alexanderpas

20:03

BTW: I just broke the €2K limit steamcalculator.com/id/alexanderpas/eu

McKay

I'm at 63 euros!

Arda Xi

I thought 800 was a lot

damn

alexanderpas

I just upped around €0.3K for only €70 thanks to the Quakecon Pack

Arda Xi

struck adamantine

praise the miners

alexanderpas

1,287.40€ is more like what i actually spent... that is an average of 8.36€ per game.

Arda Xi

20:12

I want a tool that calculates my accounts rate

alexanderpas

click the link, and enter your account.

Arda Xi

basically calculate the average of every game's effective cph

alexanderpas

CPH lol also nice to see... might be intresting :D

Arda Xi

ddgamer.com/worth.php?account=arienh4

my MW2 cph is €0,60 for example

alexanderpas

you spend less/month but more/game

Arda Xi

20:14

anyway, I found adamantine but I can't access it because of a tiny problem

there's a giant sea of magma around it

I suppose I can try

alexanderpas

as long as you don't remove a border and remember your fluid dynamics classes.

Arda Xi

you mean fluid dynamics? :P

well, I figured, as long as I keep rock between me and the fluid I should be fine

alexanderpas

probaly yeah.

otherwise, it's getting fun

Arda Xi

Open Space means the magma is just on another level, right?

alexanderpas

open space means magma 1 z-level below, just like water.

only magma is more deadly.

Arda Xi

20:19

what if it says

Open Space
Magma 7/7

according to stonesense: ahb.me/fq1

blue stuff I want, obviously

alexanderpas

########
#......#
#MMBMMB#
########

side view

don't go channeling on area's bordering magma.

Arda Xi

so the adamantine is on the same level as the magma?

alexanderpas

as far as i can see from the image, yes.

Arda Xi

well, I'm just hoping there's more adjacent to it

and there's only one way to find out

alexanderpas

like a thick vein actually going trough the magma layers

Arda Xi

20:24

I meant XY adjacent

but, yeah, they are Z adjacent

alexanderpas

I know, we need to look XY to find a place where we can go Z

Arda Xi

I'm working on that :)

just getting pissed at warm stone

I'm guessing this entire Z-level is filled with magma

alexanderpas

First it is damp stone they're complaining about, now it is warm stone... are those dorfs never happy?

full Z level with magma? HFS?

Arda Xi

I think they're happiest with no stone :)

which is, incidentally, what I'm working on

alexanderpas

but that gives a problem with the elves... as they don't want you to use the wood.

Arda Xi

20:29

metal

although that's a bit cold for beds and the like

alexanderpas

it makes great chains.

Arda Xi

argh, I can't mine through semi-molten rock

alexanderpas

df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Semi-molten_rock

Arda Xi

yep, figured that out

it's kinda blocking me though

alexanderpas

as intended.

Arda Xi

20:32

the only location on this z-level not having magma above it has magma on it

but semi-molten rock on the z-level below it has no magma above it, only dorf

alexanderpas

dorf going to channel down?

Arda Xi

staircase actually

channel, now there's an idea

no point, but it's an idea

well.. I'm at a loss here, how do I get to the precious adamantine?

alexanderpas

question for the site?

Arda Xi

there's an idea

McKay

@tzenes I'm interested in your thoughts on my most recent answer:
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/5230/whats-the-most-efficient-way-to-transfer-workers-that-are-mining-minerals-to-min/5231#5231

Hmm, how come that didn't inline it?

C. Ross

20:45

Who is this emmett and why is he a mod?

Emmett ♦

471 1 7

Arda Xi

one of Jeff's employees I believe

C. Ross

oh, SEO

McKay

Yeah, that's what I was wondering.

alexanderpas

his userid is a giveaway (not to mention the accounts tab on his profile)

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas

5

Q: How do I dig below the magma seas?

I dug right to the magma seas in Dwarf Fortress, but now I'm stuck. Below the layer I'm on now is only semi molten rock which I can't dig through. I know that there are adamantine veins but I can't access them because I'm surrounded by magma or semi molten rock on this level. Is there any way I ...

dwarf-fortress spoiler

C. Ross

20:48

:80913 So they make them mod everywhere but the "big three"

:80915 I know I've seen the answer to that somewhere ...

alexanderpas

Both David and Emmett are veterans of Stack Exchange 1.0.

New Hires in New York on the SO blog

C. Ross

@ArdaXi The answer to your question is massively spoiler and involves clowns

Arda Xi

excuse me?

alexanderpas

C. Ross

clown is slang for a certain spoilered creature

alexanderpas

20:51

and the other

our beloved david.

tzenes

:80902 You have to have it on its own line

C. Ross

:80915 df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Magma_sea

tzenes

also, I think his answer is better because of his discussion of queuing commands, which if you care about minerals is key.

McKay

@tzenes I mention queuing in option 2

tzenes

oh, sorry I still had the original version on my screen not your edits

alexanderpas

20:54

@McKay, still, quality answer.

tzenes

I think the only key thing to answer is question is the queuing. Out side of that its largely a theoretical discussion.

Arda Xi

I'm stuck here waiting for my miners to finish their simultaneous break

tzenes

@Arda you have to dump water

water will make obsidian

and by dump water I don't mean buckets

Arda Xi

on the rock?

tzenes

on the magma

McKay

20:57

throwing water on the molten rock will cool it.

Arda Xi

well, I found the adamantine vein, I can dig down through it

tzenes

that works too

basically to make a canal through magma you need a magma safe material

and if you can't find adamantine your only option is to turn the magma into obsidian and use that

Arda Xi

I only wanted to reach the adamantine actually

I didn't expect there to be more of it on top

so, another noob question, how do I use magma in magma smelters and the like?

tzenes

you build the structure on top

Arda Xi

yes, but most of my stuff is on z-level 160, and the magma is at 110

do I have to build the workshop at 111?

McKay

21:02

You may want to find a nearby volcano?

Where magma is closer to the surface?

Arda Xi

don't think there's any nearby

so I can only build them on 111 then?

McKay

I don't know.

I haven't played DF, remember? I only know what I've heard people say.

Arda Xi

@alexanderpas @tzenes any idea?

tzenes

you're thinking upside down

ok, so if magma is -10, you need to build on -9

on top

Arda Xi

:81028 I was told it would increase flow of blood to my brain

oh, I get you now

I was going by the number in the bottom of my client

The magma is on -36, there is no way to get it nearer to -2 somehow?

FallenAngelEyes

21:21

Evening all

Arda Xi

well, I don't seem to happen to have an anvil so I might have to wait

how the.. one of my dorfs just turned into.. a stray cat

FallenAngelEyes

haha

alexanderpas

21:50

so much games, so little time, at least we still got Gaming Stack Exchange

I'm off for some sleep, see you all later.

FallenAngelEyes

weltrusten, alex

@ArdaXi I've come to the conclusion that I don't need to reinstall DF, I can just live vicariously through your pain :D

...

did not know that could occur in nethack

Can we allow that? O_o

Downvoter

I don't know

Downvoter

if somebody gets offended they can flag it...

FallenAngelEyes

6

Q: Adult-themed gaming

Are questions related to this field allowable? I've posted a related question at http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2975/is-there-a-place-where-i-can-purchase-adult-themed-games-for-pc.

discussion allowed-questions adult

Downvoter

hmm

FallenAngelEyes

22:04

I know it's not an adult-themed game, but...

Downvoter

yeah, borderline IMO

FallenAngelEyes

The content policy and all

Downvoter

I don't want to overreact and super delete it

Downvoter

but if it has enough flags I can do it...

antony.trupe

I think it needs deleted

6

Q: Adult-themed gaming

Are questions related to this field allowable? I've posted a related question at http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2975/is-there-a-place-where-i-can-purchase-adult-themed-games-for-pc.

discussion allowed-questions adult

yeah, what you said Fallen

FallenAngelEyes

22:07

I suppose if the answer itself wasn't sexually explicitly detailed, we maybe could let it fly, but I think "self-fellatio" itself is likely considered by most to be "sexually explicit"

Downvoter

ok, I deleted it

Downvoter

just in case

FallenAngelEyes

Should we make a note/discussion in meta?

Downvoter

As you wish

Downvoter

the OP will likely do it when he notices it was deleted...

FallenAngelEyes

22:08

I mean, I have no idea if we should

Downvoter

let's leave it like this, sometimes it's better to silently deal with stuff than to make a huge deal out of it

FallenAngelEyes

Well we can point him to the Adult-themed gaming question then. I think it's likely better to err on the side of caution when it comes to the Content Policy rather than pushing its boundaries.

Arda Xi

hmm, why don't my dwarves haul a rotten rat body to my refuse pile?

antony.trupe

why'd you let it rot?

Arda Xi

because I expected my dwarves to haul it to my refuse pile

antony.trupe

22:15

control your dwarves

Arda Xi

er?

antony.trupe

you gotta whip'em into shape

Arda Xi

oh well, they hauled it anyway

I was just a bit distressed by the miasma buildup

I guess most of my dorfs were busy hauling adamantine

how the.. miasma is building up outside?!

well, better start building a prison

oh wait, I can't, I need to trade first

I'm on the verge of Fun I guess

FallenAngelEyes

lol

Arda Xi

then again

I have enough adamantine to buy the entire caravan

that explains the problem

my military was busy

FallenAngelEyes

22:41

Wow, if you ignore SCII and DF tags, not a lot of stuff on the frontpage, haha

Arda Xi

why would you ignore DF tags?!

:)

uh oh, fire man

FallenAngelEyes

I haven't played the game in over 3 years, so I can't help with answering any questions

Arda Xi

stupid dorfs, if you would've hurried up the construction of that forge that magma dude hadn't come out

FallenAngelEyes

hehe

Arda Xi

well, that's it, Fun :)

tantrum spiral plus fire man plus dead military

FallenAngelEyes

22:45

I think DF is the most fun I've ever had with cascading failure

Arda Xi

I think DF is the only game where death isn't even inevitable, it's strived for

FallenAngelEyes

haha indeed

Arda Xi

great, my sheriff is throwing a tantrum

nothing I can do anymore, just watch ASCII letters kill each other

FallenAngelEyes

23:00

lmao

Arda Xi

I have a bunch of trolls too

Downvoter

I think I'm gonna play that game...

Downvoter

just what I needed

Downvoter

more games...

Arda Xi

but one dorf is really stubborn

@JuanManuel but this one is free, at least

Downvoter

23:01

he

Arda Xi

and it comes with the learning curve of a complicated mmo and then some

I have two dorfs left, somehow

oh

one's behind a locked door

I can fix that

well.. I could if I had any dorfs left that did what I told them to

(never mind, he just died from thirst)

That only leaves Urist McStubborn here

he's outside my fortress

oh, he's lost the ability to stand..

FallenAngelEyes

That's too localized I believe

Arda Xi

same, and S&A since we don't know anything, definitely not more than a GameStop clerk

well, that's Fortress 2 I've killed in this region

@JuanManuel This story is a great way to get acquainted with DF a bit before trying it: Boatmurdered

Downvoter

bookmarked

Arda Xi

and I suggest you get a graphics set, unless you really like ASCII games like Nethack

this has everything you should need: Lazy Newb Pack

Prix

23:26

Yo, i was wondering when it comes to game release what is the first source that comes to your mind ? one that you can see releases from close beta to open beta or fully released ...

Arda Xi

23:46

:81398 The manufacturer?

Prix

:81435 then i would need to know each game manufacturer to hunt it ... i meant a global website that usually tracks down a set of game of different categories and have it listed by those categories where users can see for example "oh what was released in 2010 or is yet to come out or is in beta stage"

Arda Xi

Google Squared might work

eg: google.com/squared/search?q=world+of+warcraft

Prix

:81439 how so, if you still have to set the name of what you are looking for ?

Arda Xi

so you want something to not only give you the info you're looking for, but also which info you're looking for?

Prix

like i said above i am looking for a WEBSITE that keep tracks of games and manufacturers that are yet to deploy a game or have one released or in beta... where you could possible browse the information by game types or release dates or something close to this ...

FallenAngelEyes

23:54

If you're interested in MMO's at all, MMORPG does that for the games listed on its site

Arda Xi

vgreleases.com

FallenAngelEyes

it tells whether games are released, in development or in beta

Arda Xi

First result for 'release date' on Google

Prix

:81445 thanks, that helps but i am looking for more then MMORPG aswell... but that helps too

:81446 will check that one thanks

@FallenAngelEyes mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm seems like a nice list for mmorpgs once again thanks.

FallenAngelEyes

np

Prix

23:57

@ArdaXi vgreleases.com looks nice thanks :) looks like it has a nice list of pc games in general

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