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I don't know if they ever got posted, but someone in here was looking for Diablo 3 patch notes earlier
@Sterno That was me, thank you.
Apr 19 at 13:34, by OrigamiRobot
A tortoise is a turtle, but a turtle isn't always a tortoise.
@Fae oh my. Splash art is incredible too. (I'm spectating you now!)
@RavenDreamer ahem
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17:03
@RavenDreamer So you like to watch?
@FAE Well, you're playing with yourself, right?
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Just you and 5 bots?
I am amused that one of the first wizard fixes is to Arcane Torrent. In WOW, it seemed like every other patch had to "fix" Arcane Missiles
@Sterno Is the hot fix list up?
Yeah, just found it
17:05
> Players can no longer dual-wield two-handed weapons
lol
Geez. Heavy Smoke Screen nerf.
Halved the duration.
I'm glad they made Smoke Screen TOTALLY FUCKING USELESS
> Duration reduced from 2 seconds to 1 second (tooltip will still show 2 seconds)
I don't know much about smoke screen, other than the DH I was playing with repeatedly saying in chat "Wow, LOL smoke screen is so OP"
They're making good use of those green numbers @RavenDreamer
17:07
@Sterno Basically, for the duration of the effect, you're invulnerable.
@Sterno And with the right skills and runes, you can get up to something absurd like 60% uptime.
@IanPugsley man, my witch doctor just has 4 hands, sheesh.
How did people manage to dual wield 2-handers?
Which is OP, but the solution is not to reduce the base duration of smoke screen, but to nerd the other effects that make it spammable. A 1 second smoke screen just isn't useful.
Ow. They heavily nerfed the rune of protection. Max 1000 life in the shield.
@OrigamiRobot I hope Oak gives me the bounty
17:10
@fbueckert Yeah, they explicitly said that they basically deprecated rune of protection pending a redesign.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I never used it myself, as a 15% shield didn't seem that useful to me.
But now that I'm starting Hell, it might have been useful having an extra 3K health or so.
@fbueckert That you can reapply every 2 seconds?
@fbueckert Yeah, um... it was vaguely overpowered to a fairly extreme degree.
I guess my class sucks so bad it doesn't need nerfs. I win!
@RavenDreamer My viewpoint was that 15% shield only happened when you cast the mantra; it didn't occur to me to continue to cast the shield.
And with the passive that bumps up mantra lengths to 10 minutes, it didn't seem that useful to me.
In retrospect, yeah, it was stupid overpowered.
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17:15
@Raven can you see it if I type in chat?
also lol, just had 2nd death cuz I alt tabbed for that
@FAE Nope.
Also, I'm 3 minutes behind you.
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Yeah I know about the delay, wasn't sure about chat
@Sterno Apparently if you have a 2-handed weapon in your inventory with a blank inventory space above it, you can drag your equipped 1-handed weapon to it, and then you can both equip main and off-hand slots with a 2-handed weapon.
New mouse just arrived!
17:19
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Q: How do threats work in TERA?

MrGreenI'm used to the somewhat more normal "accumulative" threat in other MMOs, where if there aren't any "1 shot" mechanics, the tank can generally AFK after the first minute or so. EnMasse's TERA seems to work very differently. On my priest, I find myself pulling aggro constantly, even late in the f...

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Q: D3 Solo Wizard Builds?

kevlar1818I'm playing a Wizard in Diablo 3 currently. I'm in Nightmare and can solo with the rest of them, but I've heard Wizards are tough solo-ers in Hell/Inferno. Anybody have solid Diablo 3 Wizard builds that are effective in Hell solo?

@LessPop_MoreFizz The health bar. It does not move!
@Lazers ...the hell does 'pulling aggro' mean?
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@GnomeSlice Getting the attention of mobs
@GnomeSlice Making the monsters attack you instead of the guy you'd prefer they attack (usually the tank)
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17:27
If you're pulling aggro, you're making the enemies focus on you
@Sterno Well, it should say that, then.
So, kiting?
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@GnomeSlice it's a jargon thing
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@GnomeSlice No, that's different
It's a pretty common term to anyone who could actually answer the question.
17:28
@GnomeSlice 'pulling aggro' is a perfectly conventional and acceptable mmo term.
@GnomeSlice 'aggro' refers to having the mob be angry enough to attack you instead of somebody else.
@GnomeSlice kiting is running around an area, trying to keep something from hitting you that is chasing you
'pulling' it refers to taking it away from someone who already has it.
you might pull aggro and then kite, and hope your allies do damage while you're running around
17:29
@agent86 Depends on the context, according to the site.
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Q: What is kiting?

Doozer BlakeWhat does the term 'kiting' mean when used for games? I've seen the term thrown around here and there in reference to a few different games. Are there specific types of games that it applies to?

@Sterno Pretty much. Smoke Screeeeen.
Or maybe I'm misremembering.
@LessPop_MoreFizz what primary ability is that?
Yeah, I'm misremembering.
Aggro is really one of the core mechanics in group play of an MMO. The tank's job is to hold aggro (i.e., get all the monsters to hit him instead of the squishier people).
17:30
@RavenDreamer Hungering Arrow I think, but he almost never uses it.
@James I just noticed an encoding error with Blem's video, so I'm reuploading it.
Now I'm curious about the origin of the word aggro
Just spams elemental arrow.
@Sterno short for aggression.
there you go.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Obviously :P I meant where it was first made popular
EQ, etc
@LessPop_MoreFizz Ah, that's what I meant, anyway. The maroon thingy.
17:31
@Sterno Everquest.
When in doubt, with MMO Terminology, the answer is Everquest.
@RavenDreamer Nether Tentacles runed Ele Arrow
My barb's at about 5k armor and 130 resists. I have a way to go to get ready for Inferno. :(
6.3 million copies of D3 sold in the first week.
What was that guy saying about how Torchlight was going to sell 300,000 copies and thus was worthy of a promo on this scale?
@Sterno Did you finish Hell?
> The above figures also do not include players in Korean Internet game rooms, where Diablo III has become the top-played game, achieving a record share of more than 39% as of May 22.*
Oh wow.
That's... kind of extra big.
If you're playing tonight, we can farm Act IV Hell together.
17:39
And that doesn't count the 1.2m from Annual Passes? Holy Shit.
@StrixVaria Not even close! At the end of act 2
@Sterno Oh well :(
@StrixVaria But I've switched to the build I think I'll use for it and am trying to make the mental shift in play style early.
aww, our peak is in a decline :(
so yeah, playing Dungeon Defenders by yourself is mostly a waste of time
17:40
@agent86 Finally
@Sterno What are you using now?
@FAE Amythyst ashe shoots purple arrows now!
at least I need to make sure there's a twoer by the crystal though for when I die.
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@RavenDreamer Nice!
@agent86 Everyone must already be finished with Diablo III.
17:41
@agent86 It happens to a lot of sites our age.
@RavenDreamer but... what if we can never get it back up again? :(
well I did level up while dead :/
What happen after death? (for a hardcore champion).

- You stay in the party until you left the game?
- you are removed from the game and moved to load screen?
- appears a sad face in your screen or start a sad song to help you cry?
@badp I have to check but I think... I think I have that downloaded and fully updated now. I've been wanting to play it for ages.
@badp eh, I never found it to be that bad solo. Better with friends, but not bad solo.
17:43
I've heard dungeon defenders has gameplay similar to Sanctum, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
@StrixVaria This is the plan. It's slightly different ATM because I'm level 57 and a few things I can't rune until 59 or 60
I really should boot it up at some point.
you pretty much need an apprentice or squire to pull out during the build phase for tower creation
although I think the problem is I enabled hardcore mode for some reason
probably thinking I'd get more loot, which I didn't
17:44
Damn I still need 6 Q&A with score 5+ and have only 5 Q&A with score 4 >.<
@badp I've found some of the best loot early-on comes from a) bosses, and b) survival wave 15 (although you need some serious levels and time to get this far)
> "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. - Bannar the Berserker"
on Berserker Rage
@agent86 eh, I just got level 5.
@MichelAyres 1) You still have a week.
@RonanForman Your video response has been approved :D
17:45
Wondering if I should waste mana on upgrading this stuff
@MichelAyres 2) Editing the ones that are on the bubble can go a long way.
@James Kewl.
I mean I do have rather little use for these 3k mana. Perhaps I should look into a pet rather
@MichelAyres 3) You still have a week!
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Q: What should I be using banked mana for in the early going?

agent86I'm early in the game, thus far, but I've got a small amount of mana banked. I've been using it to upgrade my weapon, but it seems to me that investing mana in my low-level weaponry is a waste. I get to maybe make a small attribute change for an investment of several thousand mana. Is this pro...

that's an excellent question.
17:46
@Sterno That looks pretty solid. I have no experience as a Barbarian but it sounds good in theory :P
@LessPopMoreFizz
1) I know =)
2) ?? didn't undestood =X
3) I know =D (luck me) 9days
Man this Agent guy asks all the questions
he must be dumb or something!
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@James Leeching off other's success is what I do best.
@StrixVaria Up until now I'd been doing heavy life-steal gear and skills, but after reading that life steal is only 20% efficiency on Inferno, I figured I definitely needed to change
@MichelAyres if you've got something that's at +4, consider editing it to add additional details or a screenshot or something. sometimes that can give you an extra vote if you need it.
17:47
@LessPopMoreFizz 2) == edit the ones that have 4 votos so I can get 5?
@badp yeah, I met him once. what an idiot!
@MichelAyres Exactly.
@Sterno This is what I'm using on my Witch Doctor which allows me to solo Hell Act IV pretty well. I haven't tried it on Inferno yet.
It's weird... by the time you pick all the defensive skills you kind of need for Inferno, you really don't have any room left for fury-spenders
lol, I love how the bar for being a newbie is "level 74"
17:47
@LessPopMoreFizz thanks @agent86 thanks
@MichelAyres please though, for the love of god, don't just edit them with something trivial, and don't edit a whole bunch at once. otherwise I will gaze upon you sternly.
Vision Quest is pretty much mandatory for Witch Doctors to have any kind of reasonable damage output.
@agent86 I know >.<
@StrixVaria What's your DPS at now?
@MichelAyres good. you may yet avoid my stern gaze of stern gazing +2 to sternness
17:48
@Sterno OVER NINE THOUSAND
9300ish
I had Pile On crit for over 100k damage last night :D
@agent86 Sometimes you scare the crap out of me...
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Richard J. Ross IIII would like to know how I can connect my Logitech WingMan RumblePad to my Mac so I can play TF2 with it, using CoD-esque controls (Left Thumb = Move, Right Thumb = Aim). I have tried editing the joystick.cfg file, but that didn't seem to work (am I possibly missing something?). I have tried ext...

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Q: How do I allow family members to purchase their own Microsoft points on my Xbox Live family plan?

Jon EricksonI pay for a family plan and it has my girlfriend and her sister on it. I would like to know if it is possible to allow them to purchase their own Microsoft points that they can use themselves. Right now I have to purchase the points and give it to them.

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Q: If I reach the level cap and aren't powerful enough to continue, what should I do?

agent86Currently, my primary methods of getting stronger are: Gain XP and level up Buy better equipment at the auction house However, I know that past a certain part in the difficulty curve, I won't be able to rely on the first anymore - I'll be at the level cap. Also, it seems like the supply of t...

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Q: Is selling an item and buying essence from AH better than salvaging?

SeravyI have always salved all my gear into essence so I can make better gear. Someone then told me that if you sold your gear to a vender and brought it off auction house it you could get 5x the essence. Is this true?

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Q: timed treasure cave in desert - Act 2

C-dizzleNear the beginning of Act 2 while I was spelunking in the desert, I came across a cave that someone was standing outside of. He spoke of there being a treasure buried inside, but when I entered the cave, it was being timed. I only had a set number of minutes to reach a secret room I believe. Well...

is this:
@agent86 your original question didn't seem to deal with two people you know having the same tag but was focused solely on if one was malicious
@StrixVaria Nice :) I think I'm at about 6.5k atm
17:50
Uhuuu 30 views to my first gold medal \0/ gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/63563/…
I've been trading strength out for Resist All
@NickT > What happens if in a game or on my friends list there are two people with the same "root" battle tag? How does the game differentiate the two different accounts?
Which in retrospect probably wasn't the smartest, because I'd forgotten 1 str = 1 armor
> What happens if two people with the same Battle Tag are on my friends list or in my game?
there's one sentence in the original question that reads "I'm worried about malicious users doing this to exploit me"
17:51
@agent86 even then, how does one of two like-named accounts being "compromised" differ from any account being compromised
@agent86 in the absence of any other rationale, that's what I focused on
the focus on the question, before and after the edit, is "how does this work if two people on the UI have the same battle tag"
is this an actual problem you face?
with non-unique battle tags, this is a problem I may face
where two people have the same one
the UI seems to ignore the numbers at the end
so how would I tell them apart?
it's impossible have the same BT. nvm you are talking about the UI
the core of the question appeared to be (in the absence of any other reason) is "what if someone tries to con me"
17:53
@Sterno Resists are really good, though. Even better when you already have a lot of Armor.
As a WD, I need more armor because my resists are already naturally high.
You can always mouse hover and check name/last name AND you can only edit the BT once
that's only w/ RealID
@StrixVaria Yeah. I was looking at a spreadsheet earlier that showed how resist compares to armor based on where you're at.
I haven't made a real focused gear set yet. I've mostly just been using whatever maximizes my damage and health.
@StrixVaria Stuff like this scares me though... quote from a guy who says he beat Inferno as a Barb, and how to tank act 2: To do so, your gear doesn't even have to be all that good. I'm running ~10kish armor, 900resists, 45k hp, with a good 1000+ 1h weapon, 20% shield with 3000-4000, and life leech.
It scares me that he calls that "gear that isn't all that good"
17:54
I'm going to start thinking more critically now though since I get completely destroyed by the first champion group on Inferno I see.
@NickT There's a question in the title, repeated at the end. that's the question. I added a potential "why?" as a reason why it might matter to someone. It's tangential, and if you want to say "that's unpossible" that's fine, but it doesn't change the question.
@agent86 is this an "actual problem you face"? :P
900 resists!?
@StrixVaria Probably more like 600 since we can get a skill that adds 50%, but still!
@RonanForman That is why I figured I should post the videos locally man, see what kind of pass through we can get from those who watch my TFCraft series to the ultra hardcore series :D
17:55
@NickT eh, take your pedantry somewhere else :P
That's ridiculously better than anything I have going for me :(
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Q: Tibia on Ubuntu 11.10 error

AdrianI have a bit of a problem, I'm trying to play tibia on my 11.10 installation and I get the following error: ./Tibia: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory All I used to do to play was download, extract and run the game. I'm ...

@agent86 if someone asks a seemingly bad question ("I have a car engine, how do I cook burgers on it"), fixing their actual problem is desired imho
@StrixVaria it's sounding like Vitality on its own quickly becomes useless in Inferno. It's all about armor and resists
@agent86 your question would be better if you just removed everything about being worried someone will con you
or accounts being compromised
because then it just sounds like paranoia
c.f. LPMF's question and "answer" about "Session ID theft"
17:58
@Sterno I will have to adjust my build. I have like 37k health right now and die in 2-3 hits.
But my armor is...bad.
You're getting hit in inferno? I think you're doing it wrong
@NickT nah, cmon man. you read the question, emphasized the wrong part, wasted a bunch of time answering, and now you're telling me it's all my fault :P
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Q: Does magic find affect areas?

PalantarAt some point, Diablo 3 generates a map which may or may not have various random figures/events/dungeons. Does the Magic Find skill have anything to do with this? Specifically I'm wondering in regards to finding various parts of the Whimsyshire staff - should I load up on magic find gear before...

@StrixVaria D3?? I heard people aiming for 25k is ok for the higher levels, then armor after that?
That seems to be a dupe
17:59
@NickT You can't avoid everything.
from what my friend tells me, you "progress" through inferno by running two wizards with teleport and flag rezzing
@NickT Not interested in playing like that.
@StrixVaria that's why you use wizard + energy armor so it takes 2 hits (regardless of how hard they are)
Ugh IRL meetings taking me away from D3 chat are the worst.
I'm pretty sure my POS rig is not going to let me be responsive enough to play if I have to make split second choices at higher difficulties
18:02
@StrixVaria I've also heard that if you get the wrong combination of affixes on an elite pack you're pretty much guaranteed to die
shielding + fast + vortex or the like
@agent86 I think you can try and play safe enough its when you run into situations like what @NickT just mentioned where things can turn badly if you do not have a good escape mechanism.. Fortunately almost all classes Do have this mechanism in some format or another.
@NickT I can deal with Vortex, so far; melee + vortex = Hello!
@James fast mobs run as fast as you, and with 3-4 trying to vortex you means you can't leave
and when they spam shield you can't kill them either
I ran into Shielding + arcane + invulnerable minions last night. It was the worst
@James yeah, my problem is that there are situations that slow my frame rate to like 2 fps (if that). Perhaps if I win a new graphics card or something I can afford some upgrades :P
18:06
unless you're a barb, tanking is impossible
I can't remember if Hell has 4 affixes. I think there was a 4th, too
at 2FPS, I'm gonna die if I have to do anything but stand real still for 5-10 seconds
@agent86 I think at 2FPS you might be screwed even on Nightmare difficulty if not Act 2+ on normal
even then, inferno boss fights take like 30-45 minutes, and if you screw up for any one of those seconds you get to restart
@James my FPS is only bad in a few areas. There were a couple spots in act 4 where it got bad and I died, even though I could've escaped.
18:08
friend's wiz did like 20k damage per shot to azmodan who had 15 million...750 shots
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Q: Do timed buffs drain in paused games?

SeanDo buffs like Nephalem Valor, timed skills, and that of shrines deplete in paused solo games?

Is it just mean, or does Sean's question quality seem to be going down?
@NickT I like popping Wrath of the Ancients while frenzying. I just see streams of 25k crits fly by
@fbueckert This is what contests which requires 70 +1 posts will do
They aren't all going to be gold.
@Sterno how do you even stay alive in inferno as melee
@NickT I don't know yet. I've read it's possible with lots of armor and resists
@Sterno But this...takes less than five minutes to test yourself.
18:11
1 min ago, by Sterno
@fbueckert This is what contests which requires 70 +1 posts will do
:)
Well, I have registered my disapproval of said question.
Moving on!
is this: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/69303/does-magic-find-affect-areas
a dupe of: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/69021/how-do-i-increase-my-chances-of-finding-the-liquid-rainbow-gibbering-gemstone/69025#69025
what were the ME3M levels
they're not exactly the same question, but man are they damn close
site's still up.
wow, that's a joke compared to this
18:17
35 at +5, 4 at +8
holy fuck
an ogre at the second level in the game in easy mode
ehh, the 70 at +1 is more, but the +5's are similar, and the +8's are only twice as much. if you have that many +5's chances are you're going to have plenty of +8's
@agent86 Yes
is not what I would expect in the second level in easy mode
Anyone mind giving me some feedback on one of my answers? Wondering if I should expand it some more.
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A: How do I find items with the right level to salvage particular ingredients?

fbueckertAs per my answer on a different question. I am surmising that the materials provided are based off of the item's required level. Hypothesis Salvage materials are based off of required level, as detailed on the item itself. Testing Methodology Gather items at the high and low end level rang...

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Q: Fists of Thunder Quickening Rune

Joshua DudashNow with the hotfix, is fists of thunder still better to use for bosses and more single enemies over the AoE of crippling wave and the rising tide rune? I personally like to use crippling wave more than be caught off guard without it and get caught up in a large crowd however I always used fists...

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Q: Does magic find affect areas?

PalantarAt some point, Diablo 3 generates a map which may or may not have various random figures/events/dungeons. Does the Magic Find skill have anything to do with this? Specifically I'm wondering in regards to finding various parts of the Whimsyshire staff - should I load up on magic find gear before...

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Q: What effect causes a green vortex on the ground?

sjohnstonWhile fighting a large group of enemies in Act 2 Normal, some of them used an ability that created a circle on the ground, with a sort of green, swirling vortex pattern in it. I didn't get a screenshot before they disappeared, and I haven't seen this effect since. My first thought was "green = p...

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Q: Do timed buffs drain in paused games?

SeanDo buffs like Nephalem Valor, timed skills, and that of shrines deplete in paused solo games?

@Lazers wow, really deserve that many downvotes?
@NickT Yes. Yes, it does.
I am happy because I seem to have correctly answered a scala question on SO without ever programming in scala or reading any scala docs
That many downvotes will backfire. It will trigger sympathy upvotes, resulting in a net rep gain! Never send a marginal post negative!
@Sterno I don't care about the actual rep gain.
He should know better than to ask something like that.
18:33
note to self, don't ask questions that can be tested, just ask vague, speculative ones
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Q: What happens if two people with the same Battle Tag are on my friends list or in my game?

agent86"Battle tags" are used for identification among Diablo 3 players, and they are not unique. When you pick your battle tag, you are assigned a random 4-digit number to go at the end of it, such as: EliteD00d#1234 However, on my friends list and when I'm in-game, this suffix is not displayed ...

-1, testable :P
@NickT I didn't downvote his question, but I think you've got to admit that there's a threshold in how hard it is to test something. In this case, it certainly takes less time than writing up the question
1. Look at buff timer.
2. Press Escape
3. Wait 5 seconds.
4. Press Escape again.
5. Look at buff timer. Did it change?
I dunno, I kinda see the reason (discourage future questions like that), but still seems excessive
It's not the worst question ever. It's nothing I was ever curious about, but having read it now, I don't mind knowing that piece of info. However, if I had been curious, trying it in-game would almost certainly have been faster than googling for the info
@NickT trololololol
@NickT He's up +4 rep, so he's still winning!
18:40
I have +97 rep from a question with 28 downvotes
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/66096/how-can-i-reach-whimsyshire-the-secret-level-in-diablo-iii

Do the staff vanish after use? and I need to farm ALL over again?
@NickT link =)
@MichelAyres no, and it's been asked.
gnomeslice has +134 rep from a question with 28 downvotes as well
@agent86 imagined that was questioned already, but didn't found it =X
twice, actually
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Q: Can you access the secret level in Diablo 3 more than once per difficulty?

KrazerIn the secret Cow level of Diablo 2, if you don't kill the Cow King, you can go back as many times as you want by creating the portal in a new game of that difficulty. Can you access/farm the secret level in Diablo 3 more than once per difficulty?

18:44
@agent86 why are you pointing this stuff out, were you de-modded or something?
@MichelAyres I'll be attempting to test what fcrick is saying about some level 59 gear giving inferno salvage.
is my D3 story question un-testable enough?
@NickT hmm? just aiding @MichelAyres in finding his info.
@fbueckert about this question ? How do I find items with the right level to salvage particular ingredients? I found it so interesting question, that if I could I up-voted myself in this one.
@MichelAyres Yeah.
So far, everything I have tested shows it as a level barrier, not item type, like he is saying
18:47
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Q: How was the Black Soulstone made?

Nick TWe hear Zoltan Kulle talk about how he "sacrificed" to make the Black Soulstone; is he referring to something besides his corporeal body? It seems like it could be reminiscent of Fullmetal Alchemist where their magical stone (the Philosopher's Stone) was made via human sacrifice on a large scale...

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Q: What are the maximum stack values of the various consumables?

Tater596I'd like to know what the maximum stack sizes of the different consumable items in the game are. I know from experience and from this question that potions will stack up to 100, as will the various item salvaging materials. But what about gems, pages of Blacksmithing/Jewelcrafting, et al? Are the...

@NickT don't rage =X I ask for some help from @agent86 I was searching with the wrong set of words.
@fbueckert I tested some yesterday, and looks like it's from level requiriment as you said.
@MichelAyres Independent corroboration! Good to know my testing methodology is holding up to scrutiny.
Jin
Jin
so may demon hunters QQing about the SS nerf
I'm kind of wondering where the inevitable D3 expansion is going to look for a villain
@NickT seems plausible that there's some lore or extended story about it, although I'm not aware of any.
18:48
@Sterno Imperius! Killed the lord of hell, now kill heaven's!
@Jin People seem to think that they should be able to just steamroll Inferno and be done with the game in a week
In Math, you have to be very specific. — myselfpoddar 53 secs ago
thanks.
@fbueckert just don't add info to your spreadsheet because is not accurate (i did it before going to bed)
@Sterno define "steamroll"; Inferno mobs are harder than bosses
Jin
Jin
@Sterno i never use SS on my DH anyway
18:50
the hardest part of Inferno Belial is the add phase
@MichelAyres Er? You added some info to the spreadsheet? Is my data not accurate?
one of the hardest bosses is the easiest in normal (first one in Act IV with all the adds)
No no!! i just tested in a couple of items yesterday. And looks like you are right. I'll not add my tests in the spreadsheet because I don't remember the exact results
Hrrrm is someone available for another Contest-Related question?
@Rachel can't ask on meta?
18:51
@Rachel which kind?
A comment here mentions needing to ask 8 questions to be eligible for the contest
and this answer seems to reference the same thing
@Rachel That's for the grant.
that's not the contest, that's the promotional grant
totally separate
@NickT Ok, thank you :) I thought it was about the contest
@NickT I'm not using a non-standard definition of it. All the forums whining I read about Inferno (particularly the Barbarian forums) seem to be upset that they actually hit a wall and need to start working out new strategies and gearing, rather than just do whatever and make it through
18:53
@Sterno yeah, but how do plan to gear up when you can't kill anything
If Inferno wasn't so frigging hard in the first place, what would be the point?
I love the challenge Inferno presents
I mean, you're already practically at level 60 when you hit Hell
@NickT Clearly, people are managing
@Sterno because the difficulty they've created is fake, it's not about using better tactics, it's about exploiting things so the math works
@Sterno yeah, because they exploit the shit out of it
In theory you should and nightmare at level 50+
18:55
I don't mind some meta-game in my game
man, that's how I play every game. find the weak point, push till it hurts.
@Fae So in my experience, Varus is like a weird Miss Fortune / Vayne crossbreed, inferior to both.
@Sterno wizard 1 teleport teleport teleport die, wizard 2 use banner to TP to corpse, teleport teleport teleport die, repeat. Get to boss, run in circles for 30 minutes avoiding everything and firing spells, win
one of the reasons I find the AH economics so facinating
@NickT I'm not talking about that. There are people who actually are surviving acts 1 and 2. Barbarians even!
Not just corpse hopping to bosses
Unless your saying that they had to corpse-hop in the first place to get the gear to be survivable
In which case I'd agree with you. I'm not sure that's true though.
18:56
no, they just corpse hop to "progress"
@MichelAyres Everything I'm finding on Blizzard's own site is proving him wrong. Level 59 gear salvages into Hell ingredients. I'll keep looking, though.
that's just too much bleh of a strategy to me. the game has to continue to be fun, and dying's not really my idea of fun
survivability is irrelevant if you can just dodge everything a boss does
@agent86 still playing solo?
if you build tanky (like to absorb more than 2 attacks) then your DPS just drops off a cliff and you're doing a boss fight for 1-2 hours
18:58
@RavenDreamer I've teamed up for a few hours, but my hours and the hours of others have not been aligning significantly thus far.
I played with @Jin and @JarrodDixon last night. It was a blast.
@Sterno it'd be like in WoW if they had a 3rd difficulty of raids where they just tripled mobs health and damage; gear isn't really going to save you, but "creative play" (exploits) will
@fbueckert someone have up-voted him, so I down-voted to keep it 0. he answer does not look right at all.

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