The Bridge

Macha

13:16

Hi Juan

Ivo Flipse

hello hardcore game-chatters :P

Downvoter

Hi Macha

Arda Xi

we're finally keeping the chat :D

Downvoter

did you see we are the most popular SE 2.0 site?

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Arda Xi

I love the fact that we are the most successful site in SE (not counting the tri-

never mind

':)

Downvoter

13:17

lol

Downvoter

only 18k views to reach SF

Ivo Flipse

actually this is still the same chat as last time, so if it goes down, this all will be saved and restored (noticed it on the cooking channel)

well in the end gaming is the most fun @JuanManuel, but I'm amazed that Web Apps isn't getting more attention. It almost makes me think that if this is all it generates, it should have been part of Super User

Macha

How do you know what SF is getting?

Downvoter

stackexchange.com/sites

Ivo Flipse

were actually at 1% of SO :P

Macha

13:20

Oh, kk. @Arda We're still not there yet

Arda Xi

where?

Downvoter

First SF, then SU, and then SO!

Downvoter

muahahahaha

Ivo Flipse

at non-beta level I guess

Downvoter

(sorry)

Macha

13:21

"not counting the tri-", the trilogy is still ahead of us.

Arda Xi

exactly

that's why I said "not counting the tri(logy)"

Ivo Flipse

I can't wait for the holiday season @JuanManuel, so starcraft-2 get's replaced with another bunch of games

Macha

I thought that was a cutoff joke.

Arda Xi

no, Juan said it already, so I stopped

Macha

Although we are way ahead in users-to-views.

Ivo Flipse

13:22

I'm watching day[9]'s battle report's on starcraft-2

and trying to work

guess what wins my attention

Macha

Webapps had a burst of activity as everyone went "Let's try this SE thing". Then it went downhill.

Downvoter

What's good about this site is that it forces you to be up-to-date on games :)

Downvoter

(or bad)

Ivo Flipse

well I truly think there's a place for web apps, I just don't have any questions at the moment

though I have the same with the other sites really, I'm only discussing on Meta making sure we don't get flooded with lists :P

Macha

@IvoFlipse "it should have been part of Super User" - I don't think the admins would mind too much if SU was broken up into several sites. Gadgets and Web Apps both take stuff that SU used to cover.

Arda Xi

13:25

Windows seems to think the chat's message notifier is voip

where do you report such a bug oO

Ivo Flipse

perhaps @Macha I never supported the website-policy, but if we have it, someone has to uphold it

MSO @ArdaXi, and/or chat feedback

Arda Xi

can they even fix that?

Macha

What exactly do referrals do for area51 proposals?

Arda Xi

well, it'll move on to the next phase

Drew

Whassup folks?

Macha

13:30

@ArdaXi REferrals as opposed to people just finding the site in the list.

Arda Xi

don't think it makes a difference for the proposal itself

Drew

Wow. Star Trek noises. These isn't a geek site at all. xD

Arda Xi

it'd be nice if it was customisable or something though

Ivo Flipse

I agree with @ArdaXi, it's not really that important, in the end you need high rep users to support your idea

Arda Xi

I prefer VOY to TOS

Ivo Flipse

13:32

what?!?

Arda Xi

the sounds

Ivo Flipse

btw: Hello @Drew

Drew

Hi @Iv

Drew

Hi @IvoFlipse. Is there a keyboard shortcut to use the suggested name?

Arda Xi

besides, remember the discussion on how I was too young for stuff? VOY was the only one made after I was born

Macha

13:33

Some of the proposals are confusing. How did Ubuntu get more support than Linux?

Ivo Flipse

try Tabbing @Drew

Drew

@IvoFlipse Aha. Thanks.

Drew

Is it bad that my first instinct was Ctrl-Space? I've been using NetBeans too long. xD

Ivo Flipse

it is :P

Macha

PyGTK is infuriating... It's like writing C, in Python.

Ivo Flipse

13:38

oh right, that reminds me; back to Learning Python: Powerful Object-Oriented Programming...

Macha

13:52

Closed my editor in frustration, decided to play Dwarf Fortress - realised answer...

d8uv

Hahaha

Macha

14:04

Done. Now, back to dwarf fortress.

d8uv

I wish I could play DF

Macha

Too hard?

d8uv

Both too hard and too complex

d8uv

It looks really fun but

Macha

Good tutorial I found: afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/…

It's for the older version, but apart from the military one, everything is up to date.

Plus: df.magmawiki.com - the wiki

I'm starting my second fortress now

Macha

14:30

A dwarf just claimed a clothier's shop. I needed that! :(

"Export of tables prohibited" - really now?

Mana

14:47

Good morning.

Kind of. Approaching afternoon here actually.

Ivo Flipse

hehe well given how much work I've done today, it might as well still be morning

Mana

:<...

Arda Xi

I keep trying to work, then the code throws the realisation of how much work it is in my face and I'm demotivated again :/

Mana

I keep trying to work, then I realize I can't think of anything to code.

Ivo Flipse

BTW nobody responded to your comment on my question @Macha

Arda Xi

15:00

Well, I have a project of aspx files using a proprietary MVC solution and localisation that has to be ported to proper ASP.NET MVC @Mana

@IvoFlipse +8/-0 seems like good consensus to me

Ivo Flipse

so do I @ArdaXi, but I'm sure a lot of people didn't vote, while they actually should

Mana

@ArdaXi: I've never worked with ASP before, actually.

I just fool around with scripts in python and hope I know enough to get a mark in the 90s in Comp Sci class :<

Arda Xi

(@Mana ASP.NET isn't actually really related to the abomination ASP is)

Mana

Oh

Okay.

Arda Xi

ASP.NET is just C# (or another .NET language) applied to the web

Mana

15:04

Makes sense.

Arda Xi

or, well, IronPython

iron meaning it runs on .net

Mana

Ah, so that's what IronPython is.

Thanks.

Arda Xi

There's a lot of languages that can be parsed to CIL

Abel Morelos

what if I use <strong>markup</strong>

Arda Xi

You would have to use Markdown

Ivo Flipse

15:09

put ** before and after does the same

Abel Morelos

**markup

Arda Xi

like **this**

Abel Morelos

** mark

Abel Morelos

* a *

Arda Xi

you have to **surround** it

Abel Morelos

15:09

surround

Abel Morelos

worked

Chacha102

encase

Hows everyone doing?

Abel Morelos

oh, I miss the GUI buttons used for formatting

Mana

Pretty well. Preparing to head out to a cottage for two and a half weeks.

Abel Morelos

really nice, I'm taking my paternity leave next week, first child

Chacha102

15:12

congratulations.

Mana

oh geez. I feel so young.

But yeah, congratulations.

Abel Morelos

thanks!

Ivo Flipse

gratz you made it to the next stage!

Chacha102

@IvoFlipse Why do you just pop in and out of here like a ghost?

tzenes

goooooooood morning vietname!

Abel Morelos

15:13

@IvoFlipse thanks!

Ivo Flipse

I don't, I've been online nearly the whole day @Chacha102

systempuntoout

halo

tzenes

hi

Chacha102

hi

Abel Morelos

@sy

Abel Morelos

15:17

@syste

systempuntoout

..jump jump jump..

Abel Morelos

@systempuntoout I had to use tab auto-completion, hello

systempuntoout

:D

just three words

"red dead redemption"

who ownz it, who is playing with it?

Mana

OMG, a WoW question!!

tzenes

I have it but I haven't started playing

I think the answer is yes

Abel Morelos

15:19

@systempuntoout I have to pass time sucking games like RDR, they are great, but are risky for my life-work balance.

systempuntoout

►

tzenes

but I don't remember if th earmor types automatically upgrade at 40 or not

Ivo Flipse

is it morning again @tzenes?

tzenes

for some definitions of morning

oh dude, last night was intense

systempuntoout

@Abel i see :)

Ivo Flipse

15:20

well I just find it amusing how days can overlap

tzenes

battlezone, bubblebobble, netstorm

it was like I was living in the 90s again

Ivo Flipse

I'm here from the morning till night and see people leave and come back

with bad music on the background and watching Die Hard?

tzenes

It gets kinda quiet in here in the evening my time

YES

Chacha102

Yeah

tzenes

but yeah

C. Ross

15:21

now you know my habits Ivo...

Abel Morelos

for me, 90s is SNES and PS1 games =)

tzenes

well not die hard

Chacha102

I'm hoping that more people means a more constant conversation

tzenes

that's really 2000 @AbelMorelos

Ivo Flipse

normally I would say: and drinking beer, but I didn't do that back then :P

tzenes

15:22

haha

Abel Morelos

@tzenes PS1 is from 95, isn't it?

tzenes

you're euro, don't you guys start drinking at like 3

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Ivo Flipse

I'm Dutch, we start with smoking weed

systempuntoout

@Abel PS1..my goodnes..MGS on PS1!

Ivo Flipse

ok that was just a stereotype, I actually never used it, but we get to drink at 16

you get to drive, so make your pick

tzenes

15:23

I guess it was

Ivo Flipse

I guess they both kill just about the same amount of people

tzenes

@IvoFlipse I grew up in New York, noone drives

I also started drinking before 21, like every other america

systempuntoout

you have saved a lot of brain cells..lucky you

Ivo Flipse

brain what? I had so many blackouts before I was 18, I can't even remember how many

systempuntoout

here in italy, we started to drink at 14 :P

Abel Morelos

15:24

In Mexico it is legal to start drinking @ 18

Abel Morelos

but we also start somehow earlier

tzenes

I don't think anyone starts at the drinking age

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Ivo Flipse

that deserves a star, just to show how ridiculously hard it is to stay on-topic in chat rooms

Mana

Ah well. If we were just caught on gaming all the time, the chat wouldn't be as fun.

Abel Morelos

that deserves a beer

Ivo Flipse

15:27

I actually think we have the best topic to talk about ALL the time

systempuntoout

two beers..today is my birthday

tzenes

I used to think of Meta as being afterhours, but I guess its chat that's really afterhours

systempuntoout

:D

Ivo Flipse

if you would have to stay on topic with programming...

man that would feel like school or work

tzenes

grats @systempuntoout

Mana

15:27

Yeah, you're right.

tzenes

@IvoFlipse It would devolve into long discussions about how Java is the worst language ever invented

Chacha102

Meh. Gaming seems like you have to always be getting the newest games

systempuntoout

@tzenes cheers

tzenes

@Chacha102 I spent all night playing retro games

Abel Morelos

it's nice to see that other developers and programmers over the world are also normal people =)

Ivo Flipse

15:28

you don't @Chacha102

tzenes

you only have to if you want to

Ivo Flipse

just watch gametrailers.com a lot

Chacha102

I just play my Blood Elf and I'm happy

Ivo Flipse

after the review, you feel like you've played it yourself and go to the next movie

tzenes

I actually skipped the latest MGS and watched someone play through on Youtube

it was like a 13 hour movie

great movie though

Ivo Flipse

15:29

I wouldn't go as far as calling programmers normal, just because they play games (that aint normal either in some parts of the world)

Mana

Maybe I'll take my Amiga with me to the cottage for some retro gaming.

tzenes

now you're talking

systempuntoout

starred!

Abel Morelos

@tzenes I couldn't do that, I love too much MGS to skip the game

Ivo Flipse

watch the Half Life speedrun, that was fun

30 mins for an epic adventure

tzenes

15:29

@AbelMorelos did you play the recent one?

Abel Morelos

@tzenes MGS4, yes

tzenes

there are so many cut scenes I can't see how what I did was different

Abel Morelos

if you mean the one for PSP, not

systempuntoout

►

Ivo Flipse

I wouldn't mind watching a God of War movie either, it's not like it's fun dying so often because of a crappy camera+controls

tzenes

15:30

You should check out Darksiders

its like God of War only better

in every possible way

Mana

@systempuntoout: That speedrun never gets old for me.

Ivo Flipse

I tried the demo, but guessed I already wasted enough of my money on the darn games

tzenes

fair enough

systempuntoout

@Mana definitely

Ivo Flipse

its the problem with games @tzenes, I also like music, movies and books, but I only have one budget

Abel Morelos

15:33

@IvoFlipse don't forget about limited time

Abel Morelos

I have such a backlog of pending games...

tzenes

yeah time is way more of a limiting factor for me

Abel Morelos

and I still keep buying more ¬_¬

Abel Morelos

time is also a resource

Abel Morelos

depends of your perspective

Ivo Flipse

15:35

I have that with my books, because I buy them, but never take the time to read them

tzenes

well Darksiders is worth the 6 housr you'll put into it

one of the best games on the 360

Ivo Flipse

I can finish a game in 10 hours, but try reading a thick fantasy book in that time

tzenes

I read very quickly

Ivo Flipse

and a shameless self-promotional spam message:

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As of now we have several questions discussing what to do with list of X and games-rec questions: Here's a summary of all that has been said before (and was upvoted): Should we allow poll questions - Result: no, we shouldn't Best/favourite/subjective list type questions - Result: no potential ...

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go vote here, if you want list questions to die and rot in the virtual hell

hehe, but some books simply are too thick @tzenes

systempuntoout

worst time consuming game of my life..PES6 on XBOX live..totally addicted. My wife threatened me with "i'm going to call a shrink"

Ivo Flipse

15:38

so how's the ex-wife?

3

systempuntoout

@Ivo :D:D

Abel Morelos

@systempuntoout I haven't been in such situation, but my wife is currently looking "suspicious" after all the time spent so far in Dragon Quest IX

Downvoter

ah, star as great message was rename as star as interesting

Ivo Flipse

I seriously considered buying my girlfriend wow, so we could spend time together

Mana

@AbelMorelos: Just show her the slime monsters and everything will be okay.

Abel Morelos

15:42

@Mana more or less works, but I think I can't really justify all the grinding I'm doing

Mana

@AbelMorelos: Make up a story about how the game runs in real time and the slime monsters slowly go extinct if you don't train

Ivo Flipse

what's actually the next big game launch that's impending

Mana

Metroid: Other M?

Ivo Flipse

ok, just so you know: I don't own ANY Nintendo or HALO products and don't really plan to either

Abel Morelos

Halo Reach

Ivo Flipse

15:46

fixed :P

Pat

halo is understandable, but nintendo? gah

Abel Morelos

X-D

Ivo Flipse

I'm curious to see what questions Kinect will generate

again @Pat: I can only play so many games and afford so many consoles

Abel Morelos

Modern Warefare: Black Ops

Ivo Flipse

plus Xbox and PS offer more games I like

Mana

15:47

"Can I interact with Kinect using ANY body part?"

Ivo Flipse

and I DO care about them pixels

not if you're a woman @Mana

;-)

Mana

:<

Abel Morelos

@Mana that could open a new market for not usual gamers

Ivo Flipse

gives a new dimension to playing solo vs co-op @AbelMorelos

Mana

oh god

this is terrible, what have I done

Abel Morelos

15:49

Imagine a Modern Warfare where instead of the control you use your... hand?

Abel Morelos

not sure how that would work

Mana

Different hand gestures would perform different actions

tzenes

I might point out you already use your hand

Mana

Thumbs up would fire, thumbs down would crouch, middle finger would use a grenade launcher

Abel Morelos

since it has voice recognition, you could make noises with your mouth to simulate that the gun is firing.

Ivo Flipse

15:51

I'm sure it doesn't have the resolution for finger gestures

imagine how childish you look when your 40 and sit behind the computer saying: rat-tat-tat-tat

Abel Morelos

@IvoFlipse kaboom!

Mana

well, the same can be said for almost any communication you make when you're in online games

Ivo Flipse

well 90% on Vent during raids are not about WoW, so I disagree :P

Chacha102

@IvoFlipse What server are you on?

Ivo Flipse

I quit and plan never to start again, but used to be on Eonar-EU

Mana

15:57

Completely unrelated, but the only problem with this chat currently is that you have to get 20 rep on meta-stackoverflow to use it

Chacha102

well

Not really a problem

Ivo Flipse

how's that a problem?

Chacha102

but a very nice filter

You can easily get 100 rep from associating accounts

Thats how I plan on being able to enter any SE chat room

Ivo Flipse

I don't plan to be in every room out there @Chacha102

Chacha102

Just associate my account with my SO Account (15k) or my Meta Account (10k)

@IvoFlipse I just want the interesting ones

Mana

15:58

Well, yeah, it makes sense when it's 20 rep in the SE site the chat's for.

Chacha102

This is the Meta chat

It is like the SE site chat

except for meta

Mana

Okay, fair enough.

Chacha102

it isn't some global chat

The only problem with all these chats is fragmentation

We all need a common place to talk

not jumping from a bunch of difference chats

What I forsee is some people will hang out in Meta So

some will hang out on Gaming

some WebApps, etc

And if there aren't enough people in each chat, it is going to get very lonely

Mana

Hmm, yeah. There should be a general SE site chat somewhere.

Ivo Flipse

well the general rooms chat.gaming.se.com will always be there

Mana

16:01

Maybe there is, I haven't been looking into other rooms

Ivo Flipse

the separate rooms, now those might get really fragmented

Chacha102

@IvoFlipse But that is for Gaming

Ivo Flipse

we need easy room transferring/joining with /join ....

Chacha102

We need some place where we can all meet. From any SO place

like a General Stack Exchange chat

I keep getting rooms and chats confused

Ivo Flipse

that will be general chat on MSO

until SE1.0 will be killed

Chacha102

16:04

I imagine it will

we just need to make sure people know that

Ivo Flipse

well some will have their full year (which is quite far off)

I can assure you that Stack Exchange is undergoing a lot of changes, so they'll find a solution

plus if we get an API, someone can make a tool to find rooms

we need social features, because I like you guys soo much ;-)

Chacha102

Yeah

Chat is the social part of SO

They finally gave in and gave us a social part

those weak-minded FOOLS!!!!

Mana

<.<

Ivo Flipse

hehe, it kind of reminds me of Lycos chat :P

if would be useful to spot people you like and join their rooms

you can ignore the social part, but people will use other tools to solve their problems, so why make it hard for them?

Chacha102

They are thinking about a friends feature

Mana

16:10

For just the chats, or for the sites, as well?

Chacha102

chats right now

Mana

(not that there's really much reason to have friends on a Q&A site)

Chacha102

I don't like having friends

it feels too cultish

Ivo Flipse

to quote Gollum: you don't have any friends

Mana

None of us have any friends.

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Ivo Flipse

16:11

auch, reality's a bitch

Mana

(on SE)

Chacha102

You all are depressing me

Ivo Flipse

but @Chacha102 I see it more as a way to find @tzenes for instance and show him the new starcraft question I need his opinion about

and it's helping us mods communicate (previously we just had email and mod flags)

Chacha102

and us to communicate with you

Mana

It's nice having mods communicate. It makes the mods feel more human to us peons.

Ivo Flipse

16:14

Random will never become really human :P

I don't have the false hope that my judgement is infallible, so it's good to receive feedback if people disagree

Chacha102

I like being able to just talk with other people

talking in comments is so annoying

Mana

That's true.

I have no hope about my judgement at all, seeing as how every opinion I've said in meta has been outed as very flawed :P

...which is only like two opinions since everything I find to say in meta has already been said <.<;;

Chacha102

if you ever need backing on idea, ask me

I know a lot of history about Meta

and what people have said about different topics

Mana

Thanks.

tzenes

16:50

sorry did someone want me for something?

Chacha102

no

tzenes

:(

I came back and I saw I had been ping'd

Ivo Flipse

yup I'm guilty

tzenes

curse you Ivo

Ivo Flipse

I said I wanted to be able to ping you if there was a question I thought you would find interesting AKA a friend function

tzenes

16:52

ah

well consider me ping'd

Chacha102

@tzenes

tzenes

yes?

Chacha102

hmm?

tzenes

:(

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