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Downvoter

00:23

I'm shocked

Downvoter

gaming.stackexchange.com/badges/11/taxonomist?user_id=121

Mana

Whoever created the SC2 tag will get it soon, I'd guess.

C. Ross

00:51

@Mana should have it already

@Juan Why are you shocked?

@Mana Actually Ivo has that tag

gaming.stackexchange.com/badges/11/taxonomist

The surprising thing is Grace's badge

Downvoter

Because I though somebody else was going to get that one

Downvoter

01:11

we are the most popular SE 2.0 site! Woot!

Downvoter

stackexchange.com/sites

FallenAngelEyes

Good evening/early morning, all

Downvoter

hi

FallenAngelEyes

How goes it? :)

tzenes

04:04

greetings

Ivo Flipse

05:59

morning :)

tzenes

06:13

morning

Ivo Flipse

someone noticed me creating the starcraft2 tag? ^^

tzenes

?

Ivo Flipse

scroll up a bit: @Mana and @CRoss were discussing the tag

tzenes

oh cool

Ivo Flipse

should have picked WoW and CoD too :P

or G-H

tzenes

06:27

I didn't join till after all the good ones were taken

Ivo Flipse

there will be new good ones :)

tzenes

07:07

hey, I broke 3k

Jeff Atwood

gaming is the only room populated 24/7. you guys are hardcore. :)

tzenes

I think its because we're from such diverse places

also, there are a lot of us

is it just me or is Isaiah Mustafa awesome

Nope, he's awesome

Jeff Atwood

Isaiah Mustafa

Isaiah Mustafa (born February 11, 1974) is an American actor and former practice squad wide receiver in the NFL. Career Mustafa played basketball and ran track at Santa Clara High School in Oxnard, California. and became a free safety, then a wide receiver, with a scholarship. Mustafa started for Arizona State but had an unspecified "confrontation" with a coach and was benched his senior year. Expecting to become a high school teacher after graduation, a sports agent suggested that Mustafa try out for NFL teams. The Tennessee Titans signed him to the practice squad, then sent him to N...

tzenes

07:22

yeah I was just reading that

Jeff Atwood

►

tzenes

"Enchanting success filled people who are winning at life and deserve cakes."

well @Jeff you have a new goal in life, to get into that book

Jeff Atwood

THE LIST WE WERE ALL BORN TO BE ON

Arda Xi

that guy seems like our version of santa claus

tzenes

Look at me, now look down, now back at me, I'm wearing a red jumpsuit, now look down, now back at me, its a bag full of toys

Jeff Atwood

07:36

I must catch them all!

tzenes

Naturally

I remember when it was just Mew Two and you had to save your Masterball for him

Jeff Atwood

tzenes

haha

Arda Xi

I feels young :(

tzenes

in all fairness 6.10 wasn't great

don't worry Arda its the internet

just pretend you're 50

people will treat you about the same

Arda Xi

07:40

yeah but that's messed up when people start talking about old times

tzenes

dude, I remember computers before HD

and I don't mean high def

oh man, do you remember battlezone?

Arda Xi

:(

tzenes

any of them?

2

Q: Can you name an early 1990s tank based shooting game on Macintosh System 7.5?

There was a very simple tank shooting game that came out in the early 1990s for Macintosh System 7.5 (I was able to run it on System 7). I only have some very random memories about it; anyone have an idea on what it was called? Game features: Tank shooter, in a fixed arena (squared box). Inte...

yeah, thank you gaming bot

I used to play that game for hours

it was one of 3 games I had on my old mac

there was Battlzone, some sort of flight simulator where I always died when I landed and Myst

Arda Xi

I'm confused. I've been away for a week and I remain at the top, I'm back for a few days and I'm 4th. I'm not complaining or anything, just.. confused.

tzenes

which was either the best or the worst game of all time

at the top?

Arda Xi

07:48

rep-wise

tzenes

you can gain rep even if you'r enot around

your questions can still get upvoted

Arda Xi

yeah, I know, but still

for a week

and for this entire week I haven't seen one question I could answer

tzenes

most of my rep comes from a couple answers I wrote weeks ago

80

A: What build order should I use for Zerg in StarCraft 2?

An opening dictates how you are going to start the match. The basic Zerg openings: 10 Pool (Rush) 13 Pool (Standard) 14 Pool, 16 Hatch (Macro) 14 Hatch, 15 Pool (Macro+) 13 Gas, 13 Pool (NeoZerg) 12 Pool (Sen Style) How to read these: The number indicates the number of drones you should buil...

Arda Xi

most of my rep comes from those too

37

A: Can I trust "Steam"-powered games? Any unwanted behavior installed with Steam?

Yes, you can trust it. It is non-intrusive and all it does (at minimum) is manage your games and patches for you. Anything else is optional. It doesn't install anything but the software you need (like DirectX) and the games and patches. Nothing you don't want, unless you don't want the game you'...

tzenes

Good answers continue to be useful to people

so they keep upvoting them

and you keep getting rep

Arda Xi

07:50

yeah, but like this one

25

A: Steam says friend is playing Hello Kitty?

As Gnoupi said, it's possible to report any game you want to play as a non-Steam game. In this case, it's a joke reference to the episode "Make Love, Not Warcraft" of South Park, in which Butters prefers Hello Kitty Island Adventure over World of Warcraft. As far as I know no such game exists.

tzenes

in reality a good question is probably better for the community, but a good answer will get your more rep

Arda Xi

didn't even answer the question itself

tzenes

it explains why something random which isn't a game is there

just because you didn't answer the question he asked, doesn't mean you didn't answer the question he meant to ask

or would have asked, had he known enough to ask it

Arda Xi

fair enough, but I feel guilty for stealing upvotes from cowgod and gnoupi

tzenes

that's not how that works

its not like people couldn't also upvote them

or they would have gotten those votes if you weren't around

Arda Xi

07:53

it does in practice thouh

tzenes

that's not true

I upvote more than one answer per question

Arda Xi

my answer has 21 upvotes, while cowgod's (much more descriptive) has 6

tzenes

so

?

only 6 people thought it was a good answer

21 people thought yours was good

the rep represents your value to the community

your answer was more valuable

either most people know that they can add whatever game to steam, or don't care

by comparison they really do care to know where the Hello Kitty reference comes from

Arda Xi

heh, so my age does come in handy

tzenes

nah, my dad watches south park too

they really need to make a battlezone 3

and while they're at it a Final Fantasy Tactics 2

and since I'm wishing for things, Chrono Trigger remake

oh fuck yeah, battlezone is abandonware

abandonia.com/en/games/26459/Battlezone.html

Welcome to the best 1998 has to offer

Ivo Flipse

08:04

I'm back again!

tzenes

hey Ivo

oh man, you know what is another game they should remake

Sacrifice

Sacrifice (video game)

Sacrifice is a video game published by Interplay Entertainment in 2000 for the Windows 98 platform. Developed by Shiny Entertainment, it is a real-time strategy game, featuring elements of action and other genres. Players control wizards who fight each other with spells and summoned creatures. Sacrifice was the first commercial video game to take advantage of video graphics cards that can process transform, clipping, and lighting instructions. The game was ported to Mac OS 9.2 in 2001. Unlike many contemporary real-time strategy games, Sacrifice does not heavily focus on resource gatheri...

Ivo Flipse

omg how old are you?

you're naming games I never ever heard off

tzenes

noone did

it didn't do good marketing

Ok, well battlezone is old

Ivo Flipse

just peeps at Amazon who had to manage the stock ;-)

tzenes

but FFT is PS1

Arda Xi

08:06

well, I'm from the time when the people you shot looked like people :/

tzenes

dude, Sacrifice predates Amazon selling video games

Ivo Flipse

I'm 25, so my first real computer game memory (other than the gameboy) are DOS games

tzenes

Oh, this is way younger than dos

In battle zone they look like people

Ivo Flipse

Prince of Persia, Bubble Bubble, Golden Axe that kind of stuff

tzenes

you just have to get out of the tank first

Oh man, Golden Axe

Ivo Flipse

08:07

yeah it said windows 98

tzenes

they need to remake that

Arda Xi

no, but I mean you can recognise that they're people and all, with detail

tzenes

you're talking to a guy who used to play Counter Strike competitively

all I see are blips on the screen

Ivo Flipse

I only played against n00bs

tzenes

as far as I'm concerned they still don't look like people

Ivo Flipse

08:08

my brother ones put a small dot on his screen, the center of his crossair, then ran around with an AWP using it as a shotgun

tzenes

I actually remember beating bubble buble

it had 100 levels

I think I played it on the NES or the SNES

can't remember which

Ivo Flipse

wow

tzenes

just remember this 12 inch TV

Ivo Flipse

and no save games I guess?

tzenes

and me and my brother crowded around it

no, you had to write down codes

Ivo Flipse

08:09

I can only remember playing it, not beating it :P

tzenes

talk about old school

oh man its on XBL

brb

Ivo Flipse

hehe

tzenes

Dude, when I found out Sacrifice was on Steam

I nearly shit a brick

Ivo Flipse

did you try it again?

tzenes

of course

Ivo Flipse

08:11

memory is a bitch sometimes, because the replay tends to suck

tzenes

that game was ground breaking

even more ground breaking than netstorm

there has never been a RTSFPS as good as Sacrifice

Ivo Flipse

I'm playing Starcraft, so I know what the story's about

tzenes

I'd go so far as to say that the only RTS better is Starcraft BW

They tell you during the installer for SC2

Ivo Flipse

well I was just gonna say that Starcraft's controls suck :P

hehe

tzenes

so in Sacrifice you have 2 resources

Ivo Flipse

08:12

I know, but I like the old school cut scenes too

tzenes

souls and mana

Ivo Flipse

gas and ore? :P

tzenes

mana regenerates constantly, but souls you need to gather

and you can use souls to summon guys

and it has a gesture based control system for ordering them around

this was before Black and White

Ivo Flipse

sounds interesting, you can go all out, but if you mana doesn't regen quick enough... :P

tzenes

mana regenerates proportional to the number of Manaliths you construct

and you can only construct them on Managysers

Ivo Flipse

08:14

well my first experience with RTS's was Dune 2, that game rocked

tzenes

that alone is not enough, to get the mana from the Manalith to you, you need Manawhores

Ivo Flipse

I so loved that story and the different classes

haha you mean warlocks? :P

tzenes

Manawhores bring the mana from the Manalith on the Managyser to you

oh man this was the greatest game ever

and you engaged in this mercantile battle for souls

to get more souls you had to kill enemy units and then sacrifice them on your alter

which turned their red souls into blue souls you could use to summon more guys

and once you killed all his guys and sacked his alter

Ivo Flipse

while tzenes shares his old war time memories, you guys have a thought on this one:

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Q: Voting on the future of list of X questions

As of now we have several questions discussing what to do with list of X and games-rec questions: Here's a summary of all that has been said before (and was upvoted): Should we allow poll questions - Result: no, we shouldn't Best/favourite/subjective list type questions - Result: no potential ...

discussion scope close-votes lists

tzenes

you the sac'd the enemy on your alter

I'd actually ban game-rec questions, but that's just me

Ivo Flipse

08:19

lol so you could use the opponents resources against themselves?

tzenes

like I said it was Mercantilistic

Ivo Flipse

btw your description would be something worthy of a list question, but every answer would need so much detail :)

tzenes

I could probably write a god damn book about why Sacrifice is the greatest game ever made

they used tessilation to handle depth of field

back in 2000

thats DirectX10 stuff

a decade before

Oh, and Tim Curry did the voice of Stratos

not to mention the art was done by the Earth Worm Jim team

imdb.com/name/nm0000347

damn, imdb isn't a magic link

Ivo Flipse

propose that in the chat feedback, it should be

I really think we should have a new resource hog, so developers get creative again

now your computer can be so much overkill, why bother trying to optimize (ok blizzard games maybe an exception)

tzenes

they still exist

but its not the bit hacking like it used to be

I dunno, with better machines comes more casual developers

and with casual developers comes more games

Ivo Flipse

08:25

yeah but it does take out some of the creativeness

I don't be believe everyone should be doing it

tzenes

I dunno

Ivo Flipse

but some should and the others should learn from it

Arda Xi

means the focus lies elsewhere, which is good

tzenes

think of all the great books that would get written if everyone could write a book

Ivo Flipse

no, it's just: look at the commodore 64

what people could do with such limitations

Arda Xi

08:26

with gaming, a lot of good progress is made in separating the processes, you don't have to write a good engine to make a good game

tzenes

I dunno Ivo, look at Ruby on Rails and what people did with that

Ivo Flipse

I actually hope things like Kinect and 3D become a resource hog and people will have to find workarounds to keep up anyway

tzenes

and that's about as abstract as it gets

3D isn't a resource hog

its O(n)

Ivo Flipse

well you get less fps on the ps3 :P

tzenes

that's setting the bar kinda low

Ivo Flipse

08:28

ok your right

tzenes

anyway Battlezone finished downloading

so I'm going to go play that

then maybe some netstorm

Ivo Flipse

w00t

bye

tzenes

and I'll finish off my retrogaming night with bubble bobble

gnight

Ivo Flipse

so who here wants to keep list of X questions alive

valya

oh

valya

08:33

wow

Bernhard Hofmann

@Ivo - how do you spend SO much time on Stack Exchange sites?

Bernhard Hofmann

You're like Skeet ;)

Ivo Flipse

I was about to say: I feel like abusing my moderator powers

but you flatter me

Bernhard Hofmann

hehe

Ivo Flipse

I'm nowhere near as good as Jon

Bernhard Hofmann

08:35

I didn't really want to say that LOL!

Bernhard Hofmann

So how does this work? Is it using websockets?

Ivo Flipse

and I'm actually only active on the Meta side of things at the moment, since I'm in the process of quitting my job and moving back from Belgium to the Netherlands, so I can't really concentrate on answering questions

this chat? I have absolutely no idea, but feel free to ask it in chat feedback

Bernhard Hofmann

Ah, you're Dutch

Bernhard Hofmann

I should have guess, with a name like Flipse

Bernhard Hofmann

cool

Arda Xi

08:37

doesn't sound that Dutch to me actually (I'm Dutch too)

Ivo Flipse

you can edit your previous line by pressing UP

In Zeeland it's pretty common apparently

Arda Xi

Ah, yeah, I can imagine. I'm more in the Randstad

Bernhard Hofmann

Can only edit the previous 1 line, not go back any further, so once you've goofed and corrected the old way, you're stuck. Ho hum.

Ivo Flipse

no you can than click on the thing at the start of the sentence, and click edit

Bernhard Hofmann

I wonder what introduces the dotted lines in conversation? People leaving/entering?

Ivo Flipse

08:40

did you get another one?

Arda Xi

no, it's when you leave the tab, I think

everything below the dotted line was posted since you left the tab, everything above it before you reopened it

Bernhard Hofmann

I see dots running full width (including the name and avatar area and chat area).

Arda Xi

(by leave I mean open another)

Ivo Flipse

that's actually a nice visual cue than @ArdaXi

Bernhard Hofmann

Not sure I know what you mean by "tab"

Arda Xi

08:42

sorry, chrome-based thinking

Ivo Flipse

but I can be so active, because in my previous job my work wasn't exactly pressing me to do much, so I found ways to spend my time

Arda Xi

the webpage, window, tab, whichever your method of browsing is

Ivo Flipse

some people still use IE6 @ArdaXi ;-)

Arda Xi

I know

Ivo Flipse

right now, I get to work at work for about 2 months, but I should be practicing Python, rather than chatting all day long

Arda Xi

08:43

I have work to do too, but the chat is just so good

Bernhard Hofmann

Yep, I gotta get on as well

Bernhard Hofmann

Nice chat window - I like it.

Bernhard Hofmann

bb

Arda Xi

well, I can sort of combine chatting with programming

Ivo Flipse

I try to, but I can't say it's compiling with Python :P

Liam

08:50

Looks good :)

Ivo Flipse

the chat you mean?

Ivo Flipse

10:23

w00t I declare win for the starcraft tag

gaming.stackexchange.com/tags

it beat game-rec

Arda Xi

it's like 25 questions a day

Ivo Flipse

ok perhaps it's getting a little bit overkill relative to other topics

but still I think it's impressive, since it shows what this site is all about

Arda Xi

judging by my notifier, this site is pretty much Starcraft 2 Exchange

Ivo Flipse

we'll just have to wait for the next big thing to release

like Cataclysm, Fifa 2011 or the new Guitar Hero/Rock Band games

Arda Xi

speaking of tags, this could be a lot better

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/…

Ivo Flipse

10:26

feel free to edit it ;-)

Arda Xi

I am

Ivo Flipse

I'm quickly running back to my Python exercises :P

Arda Xi

I have no idea what to write though :)

Ivo Flipse

Steam (software)

Steam is a digital distribution, digital rights management, multiplayer and communications platform developed by the Valve Corporation. It is used to distribute games and related media online, from small independent developers to larger software houses. Steam also has community features, automated game updates, and in-game voice and chat functionality. As of 2010, there are over 1,200 games available through Steam, and over 30 million active user accounts. Although Valve never releases sales figures, Steam is estimated to have a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video game...

enjoy

Arda Xi

meh, I doubt it'll get enough views to put a lot of effort in

and besides, I can't just plagiarize wikipedia

the game-rec wiki was very well done, I wonder who wrote it

Ivo Flipse

10:30

sounds like one of the mods

I like that they put in the query

Arda Xi

me too

didn't even know it was possible

Ivo Flipse

to query like that?

Arda Xi

yeah

Ivo Flipse

I have no idea how to query for votes (never bothered), I always looked at page views

like doing it on Super User, to check for spam

Arda Xi

I don't think anyone will see the tag-wiki though

as useful as it might be

Ivo Flipse

10:36

it will be, it needs a more prominent place somewhere

I suggest taking it to MSO, because it's a good point

but I do see value in it

it's a fairly new function though

Arda Xi

something like a note when you add it as a tag

Ivo Flipse

for instance

now it's a tab when you click the tag

perhaps it should get some space in the sidebar

or be used as a summary above all the questions

just a few lines of blurb

Arda Xi

like the ads are on SO

Ivo Flipse

yeah something like that

I do like this one too: superuser.com/questions/…

because people added some question from that tag which you think anyone should read

for instance if you get a lot of duplicates

it should be in there

Arda Xi

or like C# on SO: stackoverflow.com/questions/…

although I wonder why those three questions are unlinked/unasked

Ivo Flipse

10:42

work in progress ;-)

Arda Xi

10:52

the site needs more questions I can answer :(

Ivo Flipse

hehe, which is why I rarely answer questions on Super User nowadays

Arda Xi

ah well, gives me more time to work on AnyHub

Ivo Flipse

anyhub.net

Arda Xi

yeah

Ivo Flipse

is that an alternative to yousendit?

Arda Xi

10:55

well, it's a file hosting service, so by that logic, sure

except, err, what

Ivo Flipse

you just got a new member :P

Arda Xi

" Get a return receipt ($3.99)"

well, not me, AnyHub's not mine, I'm just an employee (partner I guess)

it's ran by a friend of mine, I'm just redoing the code

Ivo Flipse

hehe, well someone is now using your code

if I see a need for it that is :P

Arda Xi

:D

files can be 10 GiB max

Ivo Flipse

yeah I read the FAQ, but I don't have to move files atm

but it's good to keep in mind

can you upload any file type I like?

Arda Xi

10:59

yes, anything

so long as it doesn't violate the ToS

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