The Bridge

C. Ross

13:07

hi Juan

Downvoter

hi

C. Ross

is there an official stance on [game-rec]?

what's the formatting for that?

Downvoter

what do you mean? if it's game-rec or game-recommendation?

C. Ross

no, on what subset of it is going to be allowed? It seems people have given up on closing the lot of them

Oak

Jeff was pretty adamant about leaving it as [game-rec]

Downvoter

13:10

oh

Downvoter

well, there isn't an official stand actually, we are just seeing how the community sees them

Downvoter

they seem to be ok as long as they aren't too broad

C. Ross

ok

Oak

There was this discussion in meta:

Oak

12

Q: [game-recommendations] and single, correct answers

On my question asking about game recommendations, the user random asked how such a question can have a single, correct answer. It's a very good question, in my opinion, so I bring it here - especially since it is relevant to all questions tagged [game-recommendations], which is already one of th...

Oak

13:11

But no consensus was reached.

Downvoter

(was looking for that link... thanks!)

Oak

12

Q: [game-recommendations] and single, correct answers

On my question asking about game recommendations, the user random asked how such a question can have a single, correct answer. It's a very good question, in my opinion, so I bring it here - especially since it is relevant to all questions tagged [game-recommendations], which is already one of th...

discussion game-recommendations

C. Ross

yeah, and I realize I'm way out in right field on it

Downvoter

we reached 4k views/day

C. Ross

-2

A: Re-evaluating our site - what is the scope of an "acceptable" list, if it exists?

My personal take. "Self Imposed Restrictions" Close "What games offer a good co-op multiplayer experience?" Close, very subjective, and generates too much noise "Easter Eggs in MegaMan games NES (1-6)" Close, though "How do I get Easter egg X" would be fine "PC voice chat software" C...

wow, still on top of the views list?

Downvoter

13:15

yeah, we should try to reach consensus on that

Downvoter

but it's difficult IMO

Oak

It's a problem. How can we push things towards consensus?

Downvoter

well, now that we have the chat open for everyone it should be easy

Downvoter

last time it was very productive for this kind of discussions

Oak

I don't know about "easy", but it might help

C. Ross

13:18

indeed, we just need to get the key players in here

Oak

What defines "key players"?

Oak

If anything, posting things on meta is probably more visible

Oak

than the occasional sentence here

Downvoter

I think the main problem for me is that I don't have a defined stance myself

C. Ross

a real time conversation is less visible but more consensus building, because people are used to bending in conversation, not in writing ...

Downvoter

13:21

some game-rec questions seem ok, some don't... but drawing that line is difficult

C. Ross

a forum post or an answer is a line in the sand, a comment is up for debate

Oak

I agree with you, Juan, that some are okay and some not. I thought about it a bit, and I think I draw the line depending on the number of possible answers.

Oak

"recommend a good RTS" - not good because there are many answers.

Downvoter

right

Oak

"recommend a good tower defense" - also not good (even though that question is super-popular), because of the answers

Oak

13:23

"recommend a good tower defense where you build a maze" (my question) - good enough

Oak

Though I'm of course biased

Downvoter

lol

Downvoter

sure sure

Oak

But I consider it good enough because I know the genre, and I know these kind of games are not common

Downvoter

your questions are always good

Oak

13:23

:P

Downvoter

:)

Downvoter

I agree

Oak

But I will admit that "possible number of answers" is a bit subjective, so maybe we need to combine this with making these questions CW.

Oak

It fits, because they are not about a specific problem

Oak

And I also thing it will help calm those that are completely against it

Downvoter

13:25

They're calling me to a meeting, be back later

Oak

So something like: [game-rec] should be closed if it's too broad, and CWed otherwise

C. Ross

I think that's fair ... now how broad is too broad

Oak

The million-dollar question :)

C. Ross

13:44

What about that one?

Oak

Doesn't seem too broad...

Oak

Limited to ANSI games, basically

Oak

Answering your own question after just 2 minutes, though, is in poor taste :)

C. Ross

One answer on a community wiki question?

Oak

It doesn't give anyone else the chance to provide that answer

Oak

13:58

Doesn't really matter anyway

C. Ross

no, I don't think it does

radp

14:34

I don't know if you can read me -- I can't read you. Just dropping by to say 'hi' from sunny Siciliy :D

Have fun with your gaming shenanigans

Michael Herold

Hi @badp :P Sunny Sicily? I'm jealous!

radp

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/59451/cannot-load-chat

Hey @MichaelHerold (I'm cheating by reloading the transcript)

C. Ross

@badp ... dude, I think I would find better things to do than chat by reloading the transcript ...

go enjoy the beach, we'll leave a few questions for when you get back

radp

It's too hot to do better things

at any rate, yeah, I'm out

(I even had to cheat by deelting the id="loading" node from the chat :P)

Macha

15:44

Hello people.

Oak

Hi

Macha

So, how is it going?

Oak

How's what going?

Macha

The chat, the site etc?

Oak

I dunno, seems okay

Oak

15:52

Starcraft 2 does wonders to our traffic

3

Oak

Check out how many new questions there are tagged [starcraft-2] in the past few days, it's great

Macha

Check out how much rep anthony.trupe has :(

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/dwarf-fortress

And look at this...

Oak

Yea, well, but it helps us become a good community for that game, I guess

Oak

which is a positive thing

Macha

Good community for the game? Although Google is not an answer, etc, etc, those are google/read the wiki type questions.

Oak

15:57

But it might draw people interested in that game to come and ask questions of their own. There are also users like this in SO, for example, with gazillion questions, many of poor quality

Oak

But they do have the occasional gem,

Oak

And in my opinion, a gem gives more traffic than what bad content removes

Oak

But, you know, that's just me :)

Chacha102

Hello people!

Oak

Hi

Chacha102

16:02

What do people talk about in here?

Macha

The site, mostly

Oak

Well we were talking about you, until you arrived. No more of that now :(

Chacha102

(I can see all past messages, just pointing that out)

What games do you guys play?

Oak

@Chacha I know I know :)

Oak

Works better in IRC, I suppose.

Chacha102

16:10

Is that just a feed of all the new posts on the site?

Oak

Yes.

Oak

It (should) also post the new questions on meta.gaming

Chacha102

cool

So what games are you guys partial to? I am a WoW player

Hey mmyers

Michael Myers

Hi. I don't even know why I'm here; I'm not a member of the gaming site.

Macha

Dwarf Fortress, openTTD, Left 4 Dead, Uplink, Pokemon, etc, etc

Michael Myers

16:13

Maybe I'll just back out gracefully.

Oak

No, it's too late

Oak

Now you have to come to the site itself and ask something!

Oak

Surely there's SOME game you play?

Macha

Most pointless edit ever: gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/4293/revisions

Chacha102

some people are very anal about their games and capitalization

Macha

16:15

But internet vs Internet?

Chacha102

its capitialization..

and people are weird

Oak

I would not have changed that.

Chacha102

technically it is suppose to be capitalized

Oak

Oh I agree,

Oak

It's just a very minor edit. Although to be honest, he also edited a tag.

Macha

16:18

lol: blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2004/02/11/71307.aspx

Sorry, very vaguely related.

Oak

If I was about to edit a tag, I would have also snuck in small typo fixes such as that

Oak

"Snuck" is not a word?

Chacha102

no

Macha

Snuck = sneaked

Chacha102

Can you vote to close this please? it is bugging me: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/59460/…

Oak

16:21

@Macha no related, but good story

Chacha102

I really just don't like Evan Carrol. He is such a troll and is just annoying as heck..

According to his reputation chart, he has -1000 reputation

Oak

But like 5k on SO

C. Ross

Don't waste energy on the trolls

Chacha102

lol

really? 5k. Nice

Oak

Though actually,

Oak

16:23

Since downvotes are only -2, I'd say -1000 is more impressive than +5k :)

Chacha102

Yeah

Michael Myers

Chacha102, responding to him the way you have will only encourage him. He already knows everything you said to him; he's just trying to get a reaction, and he succeeded.

Chacha102

@mm

@mmyers There is an @symbol before names

Just pointing that out

Michael Myers

@Chacha102: Yes, I know. But you still saw it, right? ;)

Chacha102

Yes :)

Oak

16:26

I actually like his last suggestion :)

Oak

I dislike how people sometimes answer a question AND vote to close it

3

Oak

Doesn't sit right

Chacha102

The Hypocrite badge?

Oak

Yea

Chacha102

Well, I'd be getting like 12 of them.

w/e

Oak

16:28

Don't get me wrong, the badge concept is absurd and insulting,

Macha

I've done it. I don't like to be a complete dick. "That question isn't for this site, but here's the answer anyway. Don't do it again".

Oak

But I do dislike that concept

Oak

OK, but what if it's a duplicate?

Chacha102

For some reason I think we went completely off the main topic of this room

That is the problem with chat. It isn't topical in the sense we would like it to be.

Oak

True

Oak

16:29

I'm off, bye!

Macha

See you.

@Chacha102: That's the point of the third place. Less rigid than meta or the main site.

Chacha102

So wait, I can close the other windows for the other chat channels I'm in, but still get notifications?

Macha

Yes

Chacha102

Sweet

Macha

Just don't click leave.

The notifications are really small though, in the top right above favorites iirc.

Chacha102

16:31

I wish there was more of a quick switch method though.

Hello Jeffery

Ivo Flipse

17:15

@Macha just wait until Chat has been around long enough and the purists start claiming we need a 4th place, because there's no order here

C. Ross

18:11

... wow

I'm not sure how to respond to that

Downvoter

:)

radp

with many adjectives

Michael Herold

google.com/search?q=dwarf+fortress

C. Ross

I just copied my tag wiki into it

Downvoter

I think it fits ok as an answer

Downvoter

18:15

nice tag wiki btw

C. Ross

I'm just glad they added the top 20 rule.

Downvoter

what's that?

C. Ross

Top 20 users in a tag can edit the tag wiki

radp

A requirement for tag wikis

Downvoter

oh, cool

C. Ross

18:19

it was just users with over 100 upvotes in the tag

Chacha102

I believe it is just users with >100 upvotes

Downvoter

so, is Anthony Trupe a developer in Dwarf Fortress or what?

C. Ross

I think he's just a new player

Tarn Adams is the only developer

Downvoter

I'm trying to read about it in its homepage but it gives me a headache

C. Ross

the "homepage" is the dev log

so, not necessarily the best place to read about the game

Dwarf Fortress

Slaves to Armok: God of Blood Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress, also called Slaves to Armok II: Dwarf Fortress, but most commonly known simply as Dwarf Fortress, is a freeware computer game by Bay 12 Games for Microsoft Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X set in a high fantasy universe that combines aspects of roguelike and city-building games and is primarily known for its unique level of complexity and difficulty. The title of the game is inspired by its primary focus on the construction, management, and exploration of dwarven fortresses within the game world. Development started in October , follow...

Downvoter

18:26

Thanks

C. Ross

I'm constantly surprised by the number of questions on DF

of course, half of that is Antony Trupe

radp

I'm constantly surprised by the efficacy of my ignored tags

xbox* ipod* ipad* wii facebook kde mac starcraft* *warcraft* team-fortress-2 final-fantasy* ps*

that pretty much dims the whole page

well -- it used to just a few days ago. Now that my connection is slow, that just coves halfish of the page.

5

Q: Feasibility of playing EVE Online for free?

While looking up EVE Online on Steam there is feature bullet that reads: Play for FREE – You can buy game time with in-game money you earn while playing. Does anyone have experience playing under this gaming model? If I play the game casually (a couple hours a week) will I be able to earn ...

mmorpg how-to eve-online free

why is that tagged plex?

before I nuke it.

C. Ross

plex is apparently the credit system there

You can buy a 30-day PLEX for 300M ISK.
You can make 300M ISK in a couple hours if you know what you're doing.

radp

eh, marginally related to the question then

Chacha102

not really

C. Ross

18:38

yeah ... good question though

Chacha102

No one searching for Plex will 'really' want to see that question

radp

I'd rather use ingame-currency anyway

wow, the mumble question is still up?

Chacha102

We'll I'm going to go make lunch. I'll be back later

C. Ross

mumble question?

radp

3

Q: What is the max slots for a Mumble server?

Our clan is wanting to research the Mumble server voice chat to see if it would be viable for our needs. We have a box we can use to host a free Mumble server on, but we need to know what the max slots are. I haven't really seen a direct answer as of yet while doing my own research. Thanks in ...

dedicated-server voice-chat mumble

but it is on topic surprisingly

C. Ross

19:05

So, How long do y'all think it'll be before SCII is $40?

Ivo Flipse

19:17

when I finally have time to play it @CRoss

C. Ross

19:30

@Ivo I guess it's just the near side of never then.

Oak

19:58

Whoa,

Oak

4

Q: How do I hit the monster drum fill in Rob The Prez-O-Dent?

I come to you, sages of gaming.se, with a very large problem. Day in, day out, I find myself stumped by a certain drum fill in the song Rob The Prez-O-Dent, found in the nightmarish depths of Rock Band 2's cave. The fill moves at inhuman speeds in spite of its massive size. I can only conclude t...

tips rock-band rock-band-2

Oak

Poetic.

Oak

4

Q: How do I hit the monster drum fill in Rob The Prez-O-Dent?

I come to you, sages of gaming.se, with a very large problem. Day in, day out, I find myself stumped by a certain drum fill in the song Rob The Prez-O-Dent, found in the nightmarish depths of Rock Band 2's cave. The fill moves at inhuman speeds in spite of its massive size. I can only conclude t...

tips rock-band rock-band-2

C. Ross

@Oak What's poetic?

Oak

4

Q: How do I hit the monster drum fill in Rob The Prez-O-Dent?

I come to you, sages of gaming.se, with a very large problem. Day in, day out, I find myself stumped by a certain drum fill in the song Rob The Prez-O-Dent, found in the nightmarish depths of Rock Band 2's cave. The fill moves at inhuman speeds in spite of its massive size. I can only conclude t...

tips rock-band rock-band-2

Oak

19:59

Link won't show :(

Oak

4

Q: How do I hit the monster drum fill in Rob The Prez-O-Dent?

I come to you, sages of gaming.se, with a very large problem. Day in, day out, I find myself stumped by a certain drum fill in the song Rob The Prez-O-Dent, found in the nightmarish depths of Rock Band 2's cave. The fill moves at inhuman speeds in spite of its massive size. I can only conclude t...

tips rock-band rock-band-2

Oak

It's this: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/4302/…

Oak

Does it show now?

C. Ross

no

go report it in feedback

but the question is artful

Chacha102

Hello people

WASSAUP!!!!

Oak

20:07

j0

Downvoter

20:17

hmm

Oak

That question has absolutely no Google value

Downvoter

thinking whether to close it or edit it

Chacha102

Who are you people?

Oak

Close for what? It is kind-of on topic

C. Ross

which question mine or empi?

Oak

20:20

Guess :)

C. Ross

me!

Oak

@Chacha102 didn't understand the question, we're users of gaming.stackexchange.com

C. Ross

boo, rep-cap

Chacha102

@Oak and Who am I?

Oak

Someone who is concerned with existential questions, apparently :)

Downvoter

20:21

why can't I edit my earlier message

Chacha102

possibly there is a 5 minute timer?

Downvoter

I meant "should be closed" instead of "to close it"

Chacha102

like comments

except for edit and deleting

Oak

HE deleted it? Odd.

Chacha102

actually

it is a 2 minute timer

Downvoter

20:22

perhaps he is here watching us

Chacha102

who deleted it?

Oak

The owner

Chacha102

or a moderator

Oak

No, the owner deleted it.

Downvoter

we wouldn't do that

Downvoter

20:24

we are way too nice

Oak

We only delete questions of users that personally annoy us.

Chacha102

Who are the moderators?

Oak

Users with diamond signs

Downvoter

The ones with diamonds

Downvoter

ha

Chacha102

20:24

....

Downvoter

stop it

Oak

gaming.stackexchange.com/users

Chacha102

I've been an SO user for almost 2 years, I know that

Downvoter

gaming.stackexchange.com/about

Oak

Well you asked :)

Downvoter

20:25

then you should know where to find them

Oak

Wow cool, I didn't know we had an about page.

Downvoter

here: gaming.stackexchange.com/about

Chacha102

You need to get GRace Note in here

@JuanManuel Too lazy to type in the URL

I want to talk to him. I've seen him around on Meta

Oak

Hey, tzenes almost reached Arda in rep

Downvoter

I fell behind on rep

Downvoter

20:28

too busy looking for users to ban

Downvoter

@CRoss, you are making all your rep from dwarf fortress

Downvoter

Should I convert this to CW?

Downvoter

2

Q: Non-violent XBOX games for Kids

Recently I noticed my 8 year old nephew playing GTA IV, (no wonder why he carries a toy gun and there has been recent fighting in school.) Could you people please recommend some non-violent games for this age group; because I know he won’t quit playing games and it will be better if I can change...

xbox-360 game-rec

Oak

Why? It's not that different than other [game-rec] questions.

Oak

I personally think we should convert them all,

Oak

20:37

but no special reason to pick on this

Downvoter

It's a List of X question

Oak

Isn't every [game-rec] a "list of X" question?

Downvoter

yes, they should be CW too

Oak

I agree,

Downvoter

furthermore, that would discourage those posts as no one will get reputation from them

Oak

20:39

but maybe we need more community approval?

Oak

There's no consensus on the relevant meta questions

Downvoter

sure

Noctrine

If there is a meta post I'll +1 it.

Oak

It is, and it's like -3 :)

Oak

12

Q: [game-recommendations] and single, correct answers

On my question asking about game recommendations, the user random asked how such a question can have a single, correct answer. It's a very good question, in my opinion, so I bring it here - especially since it is relevant to all questions tagged [game-recommendations], which is already one of th...

discussion game-recommendations

Noctrine

20:40

Because people love rep

Downvoter

however

Oak

Maybe I'll create a new meta question for it, @Juan

Oak

To finish it once and for all

Noctrine

Yeah, just read Grace Note's comments

Downvoter

I think the -3 is because we are disagreeing that they should exist

Oak

20:41

Something short, not like Grace's monstrous discussion

Downvoter

but

Downvoter

if they exist

Downvoter

at least they should be cw

Oak

I think I'll post an answer to my question

Downvoter

the core problem still is whether or not this questions should exist or not

Noctrine

20:43

They really shouldn't, but it's better to look at it from a "How much does it hurt perspective"

I think requiring that they be community wiki will end those type of questions though.

As most of the people who would eventually come to ask that stuff are probably at the phase where the Rep metagame is still new and interesting to them.

Downvoter

in fact, until today, I had in my mind that this was what we had agreed

Downvoter

3

Q: Games for someone who loved Godfather: Blackhand Edition

My husband is not a huge gamer, but he loved Godfather: Blackhand Edition for the Wii. He's deleted his save game, started over, and beat the game at least four times since we've bought it and he's finally gotten bored with it. I can't think of another game of mine he's played more - I did try ...

game-rec wii third-person-shooter

Downvoter

That's what Robert had been doing before there was pro tem mods

Oak

9

A: [game-recommendations] and single, correct answers

After some thought and discussion with other users on chat, my opinion is that in general, these sort of questions should be allowed, as long as They are not too broad They are marked as community wiki. Not too broad - because just a list of all RTSs doesn't add anything. Many other sites cat...

Oak

@Juan I don't remember anywhere we agreed to that, though

Downvoter

20:55

no, now that I think about it we didn't... it just felt normal

Oak

:)

Oak

Upvote my answer then!

Downvoter

already did

Oak

Feel free to edit that answer if you want to

Oak

Now, all we need is to hope that gets some serious votes, and then we shall go on a rampage =D

Noctrine

20:59

How is the meta participation in gaming? Haven't really been around since becoming a temp mod of GameDev

Downvoter

at how many votes is it considered consensus?

Downvoter

@Noctrine, it's smaller that I'd hope

Downvoter

46

Q: What are the popular build orders for Protoss in StarCraft 2?

I've played a lot of Protoss in the original StarCraft, but I thought I might try to play it in StarCraft 2 also. What build orders are being used competitively?

starcraft-2 build-order protoss

Downvoter

1600 views

Downvoter

nice

Oak

21:02

@Juan don't know, really. 10? 15? 20? How many users are active in meta, anyway?

Noctrine

Most of our users haven't even been to the meta site...

Downvoter

see the view count to get a general idea

Downvoter

meta.gaming.stackexchange.com

Noctrine

CW or too localized

Downvoter

46

Q: What are the popular build orders for Protoss in StarCraft 2?

I've played a lot of Protoss in the original StarCraft, but I thought I might try to play it in StarCraft 2 also. What build orders are being used competitively?

starcraft-2 build-order protoss

Oak

21:05

@Juan I'd say these two questions have a consensus:

Oak

11

Q: "Looking-for-game"

I've played a lot of games in the past, and sometimes I forget their name but am curious of finding it again. Here's an example of such a question I have asked Now, I consider these sort of questions very useful - they are very gaming related, and they might be of interest to other people as we...

discussion allowed-questions scope

Oak

16

A: How do we stand on cheats, in particularly for multiplayer games?

I don't care about cheating in single-player games / game modes at all, but cheats in multiplayer games (including using external programs like wallhacks and such) are absolutely deplorable, and I would hate to see this site turn into a place where you can get answers to questions regarding cheat...

Oak

(these are just the ones I can remember from the top of my head)

Noctrine

If the cheat is an actual cheat thats apart of game logic I don't see why its a problem.

Downvoter

"I think Looking-For-Game is great. However it can be closed as 'not a real question' if not enough information is provided."

Noctrine

21:06

AOE2 had cheats that could be used in multiplayer. They were hellanoying but they were there

Oak

Simplistic, but highest voted :)

Downvoter

I hate it that pretty-link is broken

Chacha102

4

Q: Links no longer formatted prettifully

When you post a link in chat that is suppose to be formatted nicely (StackOverflow Question, Amazon Link, etc), it no longer converts it to something prettiful. Sometimes it times out and asks me to retry. Other times it just never reformats it.

bug status-completed chat

Downvoter

h

Downvoter

HA

Downvoter

21:10

ironically that worked ok

Noctrine

Yeah, seems hit or miss

Like the feed image was just broken

Oak

lol :)

Downvoter

and I had not seen that before my "pretty-link" comment

Chacha102

and now..

4

Q: Links no longer formatted prettifully

When you post a link in chat that is suppose to be formatted nicely (StackOverflow Question, Amazon Link, etc), it no longer converts it to something prettiful. Sometimes it times out and asks me to retry. Other times it just never reformats it.

bug status-completed chat

(look at the tags)

Downvoter

test:

Downvoter

21:14

2

Q: Which Pokemon are easy to turn into "medalists"?

I'm trying to have one of my Pokemon win all of the Pokethlon events, but this is naturally not such a simple matter since most Pokemon are only strong in certain areas. Therefore, I was wondering if anyone could point me to Pokemon which are good "Medalist" candidates, with or without the use o...

pokemon pokemon-fourth-gen heart-gold soul-silver

Noctrine

?

amazon.com/Coding-Horror/dp/B002A7WYTG/…

Downvoter

gaming.stackexchange.com/about

Chacha102

@Noctrine WTF was that?

Oak

I think it only works with special pages, like Amazon, Wikipedia, Youtube etc

Downvoter

also, he says nothing about his son

Oak

21:15

i.e. special because they're popular

Noctrine

Yeah, but the meta thread said that those weren't working.

Oak

Surprisingly small amount of hardware questions so far, in my opinion

Oak

Maybe because consoles are so popular, actually

Oak

not much hardware discussions there

Downvoter

well... I'm going home, see you later!

Oak

21:22

cya

Noctrine

21:32

Suffering from the Tetris effect so badly right now. And my mind hates me cause it keeps giving me the worst possible pieces.

So much starcraft 2 ><

Ivo Flipse

22:19

Well I don't mind

as long as we get another game after this @Noctrine

C. Ross

Diablo III will probably be big as well

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