The Bridge

GodEmperorDune

23:00

there are also threads about how politicians said the NAACP was "just as violent" as the KKK during the civil rights era

user15026

@Ronan yesssss, she words it much better than I can :D

Ronan

@Ash I was like, oh I should find that thread to link here, and then I go to twitter and the last tweet is right at the top.

user15026

@Ronan niiiice :D

user15026

Gotta love when things work out like that

Unionhawk

Won't anyone think of the people who merely side with neo-nazis on the issue of leaving up mass produced symbols of white supremacy and none others who are getting called bad people? :(

:(((((((((((((((

The Mattbat999

23:11

Neo-Nazi???

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

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AskArch

Proposed Q&A site for arch users who like the SO model of forums.

Closed before being launched.

Ronan

Avery

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment lol nice

The Mattbat999

Uh........... what is happening there @Ronan?

Ronan

@TheMattbat999 The deep spiritual connection between @Ash and Vi Hart.

Avery

23:15

anyone knows how I can get rid of this shader madness?

user15026

@Ronan This reminds me, I don't know if I ever finished Gravity Falls

Avery

it's starting to hurt my eyes

The Mattbat999

Uh..... ok.... also, what is neo-nazi?

user15026

@Avery what did you do? O.o

Unionhawk

Oh boy

Ronan

23:16

@Ash You should, the ending is great.

user15026

@Unionhawk took the words right outta my mouth

Avery

@Ash I believe I simply followed the story

Ronan

@TheMattbat999 Nazis, but now.

Avery

[What @ronan said, but more like "white supremacists" but a tad more extreme]

The Mattbat999

Who is prancing around swastikas?

user15026

23:17

hooooo boy

Ronan

Just google Charlottesville, we've already had this discussion here and I don't think anyone wants to go through it again.

MBraedley

Beedrill

@TheMattbat999 Tread lightly.

MBraedley

WAT!?

user15026

@Ronan I don't know how I lost track of it

Avery

23:17

Dammit, sleeping didn't work

Fluttershy

@MBraedley What a coincidence!

MBraedley

I just find it interesting that it's so well correlated.

RedRiderX

@MBraedley Probably because all those local news stations are pulling it from the wire

Unionhawk

@MBraedley It's extremely well correlated

MBraedley

(or at least looks to be well correlated)

Unionhawk

23:20

Top searches by state are eclipse in those states

GodEmperorDune

@Avery continue the main quest and your pardner will hint at what you need to do

Unionhawk

(and Donald Trump in all other states)

The Mattbat999

Ohhhh... where they tore down that confederate statue...

Unionhawk

Iirc Charlottesville is currently still status-planned

Avery

@GodEmperorDune oh damn yeah

just got it handled

my IRL eyes no longer hurt

yay

GodEmperorDune

23:22

@Unionhawk charlottesville is fairly rekt after the attack

user15026

@Avery yay!

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune well I know Durham has one down, and Baltimore did some night raid taking them all down

But I thought the statue in question was still currently up but looking to accelerate removal

The Mattbat999

I didn't agree with the destruction of that confederate statue. Though I don't agree with what the confederation did, it is still part of USA history.

user15026

@TheMattbat999 Just because it's history doesn't mean we need it staring us in the face all the time.

user15026

Also a great number of those statues etc were effectively mass market pieces and aren't really individual historical pieces.

Unionhawk

23:26

They're statues put up in Jim Crow era South to venerate traitors because of white supremacy

user15026

Sometimes it's really, really, really okay to be like "we don't need loud reminders of this thing"

Ronan

Museums still exist.

The Mattbat999

But what will destroying it do other than make someone else mad?

Beedrill

@TheMattbat999 Make a ton of people happy.

Specifically: people who were persecuted by said movement that views it as an important historical reminder.

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk there were smaller ones taken down in LA too

Unionhawk

23:28

@GodEmperorDune why the fuck were there any in la it wasn't even in the United States at the time

Come on

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk apparently some confederate soldiers are buried in a cemetary out here

The Mattbat999

Sooooo would tearing down the gazillions of Emmit Till landmarks be ok?

GodEmperorDune

@TheMattbat999 too few people know who emmit till is

user15026

@TheMattbat999 a) I don't think there's an equal number b) I don't get how you are drawing the conclusion that that is in any way equivalent to the Confederate statues and c) I just what no

user15026

@GodEmperorDune Also, this.

GodEmperorDune

23:30

and kid who was lynched != group that rebelled in order to keep slaves

user15026

I don't think there are "gazillions" of those.

Unionhawk

Holy shit of all the things you could have picked

GodEmperorDune

i mean i'm struggling to think up a comparison for how hurtful confederate statues are to black people

The Mattbat999

Well, I mean traveling more than 10 miles north of where I live you can't even look without seeing something about him.

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Q: is there a way to stop levitation from shooting you into the air?

with the inclusion of the levitation effect in minecraft 1.12, there is now a way to mimic 0-gravity. The command is /effect @p minecraft:levitation 1000000 254. you can change the effect boldness to make you jump higher or glide to the ground faster. My problem with this is that i makes you jump...

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The Mattbat999

23:33

Well, I mean traveling more than 10 miles north of where I live you can't even look without seeing something about him.

user15026

@TheMattbat999 you realize that what happened to him was AWFUL, right?

Unionhawk

Like

Avery

quick wikipedia later, I'll go back to wol

user15026

And I think it's important we acknowledge that.

GodEmperorDune

it's like someone who bullied you in school every single day getting a monument to them saying "yeah it was so awesome that i made The Mattbat999 miserable" but times 10,000

The Mattbat999

23:34

Yes I do.

Unionhawk

I buy "Christopher Columbus was bad, should we destatue him?"

The Mattbat999

Yes I do.

Unionhawk

I don't even have the mental capacity to begin to understand how one arrives where we are currently at in good faith

Beedrill

@GodEmperorDune That still doesn't feel quite to scale.

Unionhawk

Like am I having a stroke

GodEmperorDune

23:35

@Beedrill like i said, i am struggling at how to put it in perspective

Beedrill

Yeah, me too.

The Mattbat999

And it was not JUST hateful to black people. There were A)black slave owners and B)Native American slaves.

user15026

@TheMattbat999 THEN THAT'S EXTRA REASON TO TAKE THEM DOWN

user15026

ahem

Beedrill

@TheMattbat999 How does this make anything better?

GodEmperorDune

23:36

@TheMattbat999 we can say that all these things are bad

and if there are statues to black slaveowners and native american slaveowners, then take them down too

Beedrill

I liked this tweet from watsky the other day:

the future doesn't mean white dudes get muzzled, just that we will no longer be able to muzzle others. i hope we can pass the mic gracefully

Tweeted by gwatsky on August 14, 2017 at 11:09 PM in reply to gwatsky

It's tangentially related.

user15026

I don't know why you'd want to keep literal reminders that some people decided other people were not valuable as people anymore (or at all ever)

user15026

I am so tired of people trying to justify giant reminders of humans being complete garbage to each other

BlueBarren

Crackdown 3 delayed until 2018

The Mattbat999

Ok then. But it really shouldn't be done by a bunch of random people with a couple of ropes!

user15026

23:39

(Whether that's confederate stuff in the US or residential school/indigenous people stuff here. Because Canada is not immune to this shit either.)

Tim Stone

Hah, I just looked over at this random Stack Overflow tab I have open and the Jobs ad is for my own company

user15026

@TheMattbat999 IF not them then who

user15026

@TimStone hahaha going to apply? ;)

The Mattbat999

Get the law to do it.

Ronan

That's what was going to happen, and then Nazis started protesting.

Tim Stone

23:40

@Ash Ugh, no, I dread conducting and taking interviews

user15026

@TimStone I first misunderstood this as you having to interview yourself for the position

The Mattbat999

Well they have a right to protest for the statues as much as the people who don't want them

Tim Stone

@Ash That actually was what I meant, in a way! :D

GodEmperorDune

@Ash yeah the canadian government did some really bad stuff to the indigenous population

Beedrill

@TheMattbat999 Yes, the right to protest, not the right to murder a person.

The Mattbat999

23:42

@BlueBarren I played the first one. It was fun

user15026

@TimStone oh hey go me

GodEmperorDune

@TheMattbat999 peaceful protest is one thing, coming with weapons to intimidate an entire town and govt is a different thing

user15026

@GodEmperorDune ooooh yes. And we are still not super awesome and blameless in that regard.

GodEmperorDune

@Ash the residential schools thing breaks my heart

it was so awful

The Mattbat999

You call lassoing monuments and ripping them down PEACEFUL?????

user15026

23:43

@TheMattbat999 yes.

user15026

No one is actively hurting anyone.

GodEmperorDune

@TheMattbat999 compared to running over protesters with a car? yes

The Mattbat999

But they are destroying government property.

user15026

@GodEmperorDune It makes me sick, because so often we're held to this whole ideal of being this great welcoming peaceful loving nation and we totally screwed the pooch on that one.

GodEmperorDune

@TheMattbat999 and they got charged for it

Ronan

23:44

@TheMattbat999 Also that happened after a white supremacist killed someone and many more beat people with sticks.

The Mattbat999

God

user15026

Like...do you not see how that is like...small potatoes compared to people getting beaten and killed?

GodEmperorDune

the people who beat people with sticks at charlottesville have not been charged yet

Unionhawk

Yeah let's be clear, somebody was literally murdered, but you're right, think about the government property

@GodEmperorDune one identified is a person of interest at this time

I only know this because he's a local kid

GodEmperorDune

also there was a twitter thread that explained how the statue is actually more valuable to museums now that it was ripped off the pedestal

Unionhawk

23:46

Yeah

GodEmperorDune

because it encapsulates the outrage of the moment

Unionhawk

It's a mass produced piece of shit

There are a thousand exactly like it probably

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk the driver was from ohio too i think

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune yep

Avery

opens up map

The Mattbat999

23:47

Neither act was right!!! And no one has the right to retaliate by illegal means!

user15026

@GodEmperorDune oooh, I'd not considered that angle

Avery

I'm hearing ohio, nc and va

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk there are some twitter threads about "post the picture of the generic confederate soldier statue in your city"

Avery

the actual protests were in va and I know that va and nc are like, neighboring states

but wasn't ohio on west coast

GodEmperorDune

@Avery not quite

Avery

23:47

I'm thoroughly confused

Beedrill

@TheMattbat999 Ok so what we've gotten out of this conversation is that you still have no idea why removing the statue could possibly be a good thing, despite having it explained to you in various different ways.

murgatroid99

@TheMattbat999 But they also weren't morally equivalent

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Q: Diary of an 8 bit warrior referenc3

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GodEmperorDune

ohio is pretty close to east coast

Beedrill

I'm so glad something came up and I have to step away from the keyboard now.

The Mattbat999

23:48

I get what your saying

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune I saw a good thread earlier from an expert who said in some cases a trained eye might spot union gear on a supposed confed statue

Avery

Oh yeah weird

just checked a map

Ronan

Your second amendment is literally about rebelling against a government. Your country is founded on standing up to authority.

user15026

All of this reminds me I know very little about American geography

user15026

I know where Texas, Florida, california, and @WorldEngineer are.

user15026

23:49

thats all I can do reliably

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk hue

@Ronan at least we have a constitution :p

The Mattbat999

Geography??? Don't feel bad, @Ash. There are some people my age and can't tell the difference between Mississippi and Florida.

murgatroid99

@Ronan It's a bit more complicated than that. There was probably also strategic value in having armed citizens when the country was smaller, had a relatively large border with land we didn't own, and had a relatively small official standing army

Avery

@TheMattbat999 ash doesn't live in states, so...

GodEmperorDune

and technically we rebelled over not paying taxes

user15026

23:51

@TheMattbat999 I am not an American, for one, and two, I don't feel bad over it

GodEmperorDune

and then had another rebellion about not paying taxes

user15026

I have no need to know where all the states are

GodEmperorDune

and then they scrapped articles of confederation and did constitution because they realized that we actually did need to pay taxes

user15026

@GodEmperorDune "When Britain taxed our tea, we got frisky...."

The Mattbat999

I know. I am implying he knows more about US geography than the people who live here.

GodEmperorDune

23:52

@Ash Michigan is probably visible from your porch

Ronan

@murgatroid99 Oh absolutely. My point was that you're not an authoritarian country. Or at least aren't supposed to be.

user15026

@TheMattbat999 if that's referring to me, I am not a he

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune Remember, the issue was "no taxation without representation".

user15026

@GodEmperorDune OH RIGHT ITS THE MITTEN

user15026

(right?)

GodEmperorDune

23:53

@murgatroid99 whiskey rebellion was not about representation

@Ash correct!

The Mattbat999

@Ash Oh.... sorry. Didn't know...

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune I was talking about the first one. Which I'm pretty sure was more successful

user15026

@GodEmperorDune wait so "Imagine what will happen if they try to tax our whiskey"...was an actual thing?

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 correct

user15026

@GodEmperorDune yessssss

user15026

23:53

See, I remember states that look like things!

GodEmperorDune

@Ash that's what it was referring to

murgatroid99

New Jersey looks like a peanut

user15026

@GodEmperorDune aaaaaaaaaaaaa I did not know that

user15026

@murgatroid99 This is helpful

GodEmperorDune

@Ash i mean i have oversimplified it to make a point

Unionhawk

23:54

Ohio looks like what happens when you draw two parallel north south lines and then let the rest of the border be cut by a river and a lake

user15026

@GodEmperorDune I figured, but I am just like "hey its a thing"

user15026

I did read a book once called How the States Got Their Shapes which was hella interesting but it didn't really help with learning where they were

The Mattbat999

@Ash Oh.... sorry. Didn't know...

user15026

@TheMattbat999 Didn't know what?

Avery

3 mins ago, by The Mattbat999

@Ash Oh.... sorry. Didn't know...

I think that it's just how SE chat badly deals with slow internet

dupe message

user15026

23:57

Oh, didn't know I wasn't a he?

Avery

indeed

The Mattbat999

That you are a girl, @Ash

user15026

@TheMattbat999 I'm a "they"

user15026

That's all that needs to be said there.

user15026

shrugs

user15026

23:58

(Another apology isn't needed or anything)

The Mattbat999

That is... confused beyong all human capabilities

Avery

(If you're not sure how to use "they" pronouns, here's examples, and here's ones for he and she if you want to compare)

user15026

@Avery hooooly crap that's a hecka useful website <3

GodEmperorDune

@TheMattbat999 anywhere you would use he or she, use they

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