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GodEmperorDune

16:00

@murgatroid99 can you self-pardon?

fredley

@murgatroid99 Ah yes, the 'Berlusconi'

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune According to the first website I found: "Self-pardon is not restricted by law, and under interpretation by the Supreme Court, a president could have the right to pardon himself not only for crimes he has committed, but also for crimes with which he has not yet been charged."

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune Part of me wants the answer to this question to be "no" but he tries it anyway

@murgatroid99 God dammit

Arperum

@murgatroid99 ...

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 wait you can pardon yourself for things that haven't happened yet?

murgatroid99

16:01

@GodEmperorDune I think it's more "things that have happened, but that you haven't been indicted for yet"

Unionhawk

Yes

Like, say

Wipqozn

@murgatroid99 no way. There's just no way.

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 goddamn

StrixVaria

Just how far does that go? Can you literally murder someone and immediately pardon yourself?

I'm just not aware of how absolute the pardon is.

murgatroid99

I think he can still be impeached for crimes he commits while he's president

StrixVaria

16:02

Is it any crime?

Unionhawk

murgatroid99

And if that goes through, he loses the power of pardon

fredley

@StrixVaria sexual assault?

StrixVaria

@fredley A much more useful example.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria and sadly relevant

StrixVaria

16:03

@Wipqozn That's the word I wanted but my brain isn't fully functional this morning.

GodEmperorDune

@StrixVaria i mean if you are pardoning yourself you are essentially confirming for everyone that you did whatever thing thing was

so i would assume your approval rating would tank

but who knows if that would happen anymore

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune Because if this election shows us anything, it's that Trump cares if people think he's done terrible things

GodEmperorDune

@murgatroid99 breitbart and 4chan would probably cheer him for it

@murgatroid99 he did deny doing things that he was caught on tape doing

"i never mocked a disabled reporter by waving my hands around like this" (does it again)

fredley

Good luck press freedom

murgatroid99

@GodEmperorDune He could always spin it: "The rigged courts want to prosecute me for [insert crime] I never committed, so I'm pardoning myself"

GodEmperorDune

16:06

apparently no one listens to the paper anymore

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Well, to be fair, you're supposed to read it.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki hue

Unionhawk

> Apparently ~24k people in Ohio wrote in Harambe

Dammit guys

(trump won 51 so it doesn't actually matter)

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk where did you get this data?

Unionhawk

Iunno

GodEmperorDune

16:11

it seems twitter may have made up some of these harambe numbers

Unionhawk

Probably

Wipqozn

The world is such a scary place right now

I honestly am starting to fear that we might see a third world war in our lifetime

Nationalism seems to be on a rise, which can't be a good thing

GodEmperorDune

ugh i just don't know

i just hope that everything is not fuct beyond repair after 4 (or 8, shudder) years

at least my daughter is young enough that she will never remember the campaign

Wipqozn

Assuming the Earth is still around. Climate change is only getting worse, and god knows the USA isn't going to do anything to stop it now.

fredley

Clinton speech any minute

GodEmperorDune

16:20

@Wipqozn joke's on trump, the paris climate accord can't be removed for 4 or 5 years after it goes into effect

Wipqozn

@fredley oh good

GodEmperorDune

and it went into effect last week specifically because people were scared of trump

fredley

@Wipqozn What if he ignores it?

GodEmperorDune

i mean trump's victory speech was unlike every single speech he gave during the campaign

he was approaching nice (though more smug IMO, but that might be bias)

Chippies

GodEmperorDune

16:22

4 hours ago, by fredley

Chippies

@GodEmperorDune but but but...

this one was posted by me

MBraedley

At least at work

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune What are the consequences if Trump doesn't follow through?

Chippies

I got 2 nights off work, so I can post all the funny election pictures I find

Yuuki

@Wipqozn Nationalism isn't bad, per say. It's when it becomes jingoism that it's time to get worried.

GodEmperorDune

16:25

@Yuuki that i don't know

Wipqozn

@fredley oh you repleid to the wrong person

did clinton get lost? Maybe she's too busy being horrified

oh maybe Trump had her arrested

He did say he was going to do that

GodEmperorDune

the optimist in me says that even though climate change is approaching the "we're fuct" point, at least the effects are becoming more pronounced and just maybe Trump's base will realize that it is a problem we have to solve

and hopefully its not too late at that point

MBraedley

@Yuuki Do not confuse nationalism with patriotism. Nationalism in and of itself has very little going for it, especially in a global community.

Kevin van der Velden

GodEmperorDune

my more immediate concern is the "lol racism/sexisim/islamophobia" contingent that now feels vindicated and that they can do what they want "without political correctness"

Yuuki

16:28

@MBraedley @KevinvanderVelden Well, fair enough.

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune yeah I'm kind of worried that @Fluttershy hasn't popped into chat

I seriously hope he's okay

He didn't live in a very LBGT friendly plce to begin with

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn yeah i forgot about the homophobia

fredley

@Wipqozn So I did

GodEmperorDune

i heard somewhere that they announced they were going to roll back LGBT rights first thing but haven't seen proof

Wipqozn

@fredley to be fair you could claim you thought I replied to a different message

fredley

16:31

If I was Clinton I'd legit be looking at leaving the country. I mean the amount of rhetoric he threw at her, and the legitimacy lended to his claims by his election means it's probably not that safe for her atm

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn IIRC he had to go to work

GodEmperorDune

@fredley she has secret service protection for life because of Bill, i think

fredley

@GodEmperorDune Handy

The same secret service that's coordinated by the sitting pres?

Kevin van der Velden

I doubt the pres does much coordinating of that

Wipqozn

Maybe the secret service will have a secret service secret fight and clintons secret service will win and then @Sterno will be the new president

fredley

16:33

@Wipqozn The secretest service

GodEmperorDune

@fredley if obama was coordinating the secret service, i doubt they would've had their shenanigans these past 8 years

Wipqozn

oh here we go

was just about to make a joke about maybe she's already left the country, and this 'speech' is just a distractyion

I was thinking the same thing as @fredley that she should serioualy consider leaving the country

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn some cold war Russian guy says were closer to it now than we were then

Wipqozn

I kind of hope she comes out soon. I don't have too long.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn jill stein 2020

GodEmperorDune

16:37

i take solace in what @Sterno said earlier. The other side flipped out when Obama won and it wasn't nearly as bad as their predictions

GnomeSlice

^

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice jill stein's policies are shit and she was a terrible candidate

GnomeSlice

eh she's not that bad

but yeah that party isn't great

GodEmperorDune

i mean i love the green party's ideals, but when they go to translate that into policy they have no way of actually accomplishing what they want

user15026

@Wipqozn I can confirm he's okay, he's at work right now

GodEmperorDune

16:39

@Ash \o/

Wipqozn

@GodEmperorDune yeah but those folks were also shouting "no free handouts" and "he wasn't born in this country!"

Private Pansy

@GodEmperorDune The aftermath of the Brexit vote makes me concerned

GnomeSlice

@GodEmperorDune she at least seems to understand international relations better than a lot of other candidates

Private Pansy

Also, more than a few students here are cancelling their plans to intern/exchange in the US

GnomeSlice

Which is somewhat surprising

MadMAxJr

16:40

I'm just waiting for Lavos to bust out of the ground and spew death spikes across the sky.

Wipqozn

@PrivatePansy Not surprising

oh finally here she comes

I will get to see some of it at least

Private Pansy

The school actually has a program that tries to place students in Silicon Valley startups in the US to do a work-study program. That specifically is taking a big hit.

Wipqozn

She looks so sad

And probably terrified

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice she was better than trump and johnson on that, for sure

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn got a link? :o

Wipqozn

16:43

@KevinvanderVelden cbc.ca/news/…

MBraedley

@GodEmperorDune Well and the policies that they came up with were just crazy.

GodEmperorDune

@MBraedley that too

Yuuki

Third parties seem to be under this notion that they have to have the most radical plans to be able to stand out from the major parties.

Which, in a way, is true but also doesn't make them attractive candidates.

Private Pansy

@Yuuki Not when the major party candidate this year has the most radical plans

Inasmuch as they can actually be called plans

Yuuki

Well, the Green Party did call for immediately halting operation of all coal plants and coal mines, IIRC.

MadMAxJr

16:53

Does anyone have a radical plan that involves us going to the skate park to learn how to do some killer half pipe moves?

Ellesedil

Hi guys, I'm in to see if the world has ended yet.

Private Pansy

@Yuuki Trump wants to tear up every one of Obama's executive order immediately

MBraedley

@Ellesedil World doesn't end until Jan 20th

fredley

@GodEmperorDune But the other side are lunatics

Tim Stone

@PrivatePansy The major problem with allowing the president such broad powers to begin with :/

GodEmperorDune

16:56

@fredley not all of them

Tim Stone

Not that I envy the position Obama was in either, just the system should be less dysfunctional

Yuuki

1 hour ago, by Yuuki

@TimStone Yay, congressional obstructionism!

MadMAxJr

Now I'm curious what things Obama might do before he leaves office.

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone congress you do their job

MadMAxJr

There's been curious talk if he'd consider a pardon for Snowden before he leaves.

GodEmperorDune

16:57

@TimStone congress should do their job

Tim Stone

Yes

Private Pansy

@MadMAxJr He actually plans to stay in DC, which apparently is quite rare for retired presidents

Yuuki

@MadMAxJr I'm not sure if a pardon for Snowden would keep him safe from a Trump presidency. Although I have no clue about Snowden's standing with Trump's base.

GodEmperorDune

@MadMAxJr maybe he'll pardon Clinton for the emails

Tim Stone

@Yuuki It depends on whether or not you believe Snowden is now a Russian shill, I guess

GodEmperorDune

16:58

@Yuuki once he starts calling him "crooked Snowden" we'll know what's up

Tim Stone

Chelsea Manning should be pardoned though, there's nothing good coming from that :/

Private Pansy

@GodEmperorDune It's hard to pardon someone who has not actually committed a crime

GodEmperorDune

@PrivatePansy you can pardon for anything, apparently

Private Pansy

Oh, right, turkeys

Kaz

@PrivatePansy I'm pretty sure the FBI decision was "Decline to prosecute" rather than "Not Guilty"

Private Pansy

17:00

America is weird

Yuuki

@PrivatePansy Well, all turkeys are guilty of the crime of potentially usurping the bald eagle as national bird.

Kevin van der Velden

It's I think basically saying "She can't be punished for doing this thing" and then she has to say "I did this thing", the thing doesn't actually have to be illegal

Ellesedil

@Kaz That's the actual point. Decline to prosecute means there's nothing to pardon.

Kaz

@Ellesedil It means they didn't want to prosecute a presidential candidate in the middle of an election.

arda

I kinda want HRC to go full trump and yell "RIGGED" and "Crooked Trump", tbh.

Kaz

17:02

My interpretation was: "Look, Hillary did this stuff. If she were anyone else, it would easily get you fired, and possibly prosecuted. Instead, since that would interfere with the democratic process, we're going to decline to prosecute, but also quite publicly talk about all the evidence and let the american people decide if they want to still elect her"

Private Pansy

@Kaz Quite sure that's not how that works

Ellesedil

@Kaz That's not really it at all.

Kaz

@Ellesedil I'm open to other interpretations.

Private Pansy

They did not have enough evidence for a case - specifically, to pass the criteria of criminal intent instead of merely being "extremely careless", in the words of the FBI

SaintWacko

I still don't understand just what it was she did wrong

Kaz

17:05

@PrivatePansy So she did the things, but it doesn't matter because she didn't realise she was breaking the law?

Texenox

when you come on the Bridge for the first time in months and then you forget why

lol

Ellesedil

I actually find the personal email server to be a massive distraction. Her two predecessors actually made worse decisions by using email accounts and servers that they didn't even control or have direct access to. And even if she had decided to use the State department's email system for unclassified emails, there still would have been the same emails in that system.

SaintWacko

I thought everything came back that she wasn't breaking the law?

arda

@Texenox hey mate

Texenox

@arda Oh, hi

Kaz

17:06

@SaintWacko Imagine you work for the NSA. And now imagine you sent all your confidential, top secret work emails to your Gmail account. Replace NSA with Secretary of State and Gmail with Server in your basement and that's basically it.

Kevin van der Velden

@Kaz if that was the case why did they reopen it right before the election only to go "Oh right, the conclusion last time was valid, we just wasted a bunch of money again"

Ellesedil

@Kaz You're describing Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, not Hillary Clinton.

SaintWacko

@Kaz Didn't I see that the FBI found that she didn't have any confidential emails on her private server?

Texenox

Is it alright if I ask who here is actually okay with the fact that Trump has won?

Kaz

@KevinvanderVelden That, I don't have a good theory for (And I am incredibly curious to find out)

SaintWacko

17:07

@KevinvanderVelden Because Comey decided he wanted to meddle in the election

Kevin van der Velden

@Kaz Oh that's very simple: The guy who reopened it wanted the republicans to win

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Private Pansy

@Kaz From memory, the use of the server itself, while against guidelines, was not illegal. The part that was actually against the law was that they may have been confidential information passing through the server

fredley

@Ellesedil It wasn't even banned. The whole email thing was artfully constructed distraction.

Kaz

@KevinvanderVelden This would be the same guy who declined to prosecute Clinton the first time around?

Ellesedil

17:09

@fredley I 100% agree. I'm not even really in love with Clinton.

Kevin van der Velden

@Kaz that I'm unsure of

GodEmperorDune

@fredley as are most of the fake Clinton conspiracies

fredley

@GodEmperorDune Yup

Kevin van der Velden

Regardless: You can't prosecute for things that aren't illegal

Which is quite a good reason to not prosecute

Kaz

IMO, if both candidates have accused you of being bought-off by the other side, you're probably neutral.

GodEmperorDune

17:10

Basically the extreme right shouts for long enough and moderates assume that "where there's smoke there's fire" instead of a fog machine

I just don't get it. The US has elected moderates for so long

fredley

@GodEmperorDune Like dubya?

Private Pansy

@Kaz Trump sort of does accuse everything of being rigged.

GodEmperorDune

@fredley he was fairly moderate IMO

Cheney wasn't

Or the neocons he appointed

fredley

Raegan?

GodEmperorDune

@fredley raised taxes and granted amnesty to immigrants

Yuuki

17:14

@GodEmperorDune Boy, is that incredibly ironic now.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki he wouldn't survive a republican primary today

Ellesedil

@GodEmperorDune And yet, every Republican refers to him as a model politician. I really don't understand today's politics.

I guess with the Internet and unprecedented access to knowledge, there's also unprecedented opportunity to make up stuff, shout it as loudly as possible, and have people buy into it.

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Not as an incumbent, no. But as a challenger with no administrative history, I think he could win it.

> His [1980] campaign stressed some of his fundamental principles: lower taxes to stimulate the economy, less government interference in people's lives, states' rights, and a strong national defense.

Assuming that he doesn't open his mouth about immigration, he could conceivably win a modern primary. Although he wouldn't win one after doing what he did while actually in office.

Oh wait, he was a governor, wasn't he?

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki he was governor of California first

Yuuki

Hmm... looking through a short summary of his policies as governor, I think he could win a modern Republican presidential primary.

fredley

17:26

Obama doing a class act

GodEmperorDune

@fredley link?

Yuuki

@fredley Hwa?

Sterno

Anyone who ever said "anyone but Bush" is kicking themself so hard right now

GodEmperorDune

@Sterno I would've taken Jeb over this

Too bad he's so low energy

Wipqozn

@Sterno really though

GodEmperorDune

17:29

How soon until they repeal Obamacare?

Ellesedil

Probably before February arrives.

I expect it to be the first order of business in the new Congress.

GodEmperorDune

unless the insurance company lobbyists put their foot down, of course

fredley

@Yuuki He's finished now

Yuuki

@fredley Oh, I thought you mentioned that he did something just now.

fredley

@Yuuki Yeah he did

He just gave a speech

Wipqozn

17:33

@fredley in a meeting. Tldr?

fredley

> “It is no secret that the president-elect and I have some pretty significant differences. But remember that eight years ago, President Bush and I had some pretty significant differences..

“The presidency and vice presidency is bigger than any of us.

“We are now all rooting for his success in uniting and leading this country. The peaceful transfer of power is one of the hallmarks of our democracy.”

I miss Obama already and he's not even gone

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GnomeSlice

the best man we've had in office in a long time

fredley

@GnomeSlice truly one of the greats

GnomeSlice

not necessarily the best president but really truly a good dude

def not the worst either

Yuuki

@fredley He's in my list of the top 45 US Presidents.

GnomeSlice

17:39

@Yuuki how many have there been

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice 45.

GnomeSlice

hue

Yuuki

Well, Trump's not sworn in yet, so technically 44.

Ellesedil

I'm going to miss policy based on sound scientific principles.

3

badp

fredley

17:40

@Ellesedil Wait, you had that?

badp

@Ellesedil like "teach the controversy"?

@GodEmperorDune youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg go back a few minutes

Yuuki

17:56

@GodEmperorDune On the upside, I think you can have recreational marijuana to take the edge off this election now.

murgatroid99

I voted for that in CA

At least I get to feel like one of my votes accomplished something

Yuuki

Well, that applies to you also.

... How do recreational marijuana laws apply to visitors?

murgatroid99

I assume anyone in the state can use it. State laws generally apply by current location, not place of residence or anything like that

Yuuki

Hmm... I haven't taken a vacation to California in awhile...

Or Colorado...

Kevin van der Velden

Or the netherlands :D

Yuuki

18:01

I haven't visited the Netherlands at all.

I should go sometime.

arda

Oh hey, trump commitstrip commitstrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/…

GodEmperorDune

I also voted to repeal the death penalty but looks like that is still in place

Yuuki

@arda I'm not even sure what that means.

Keep people outside the US from using Google, Twitter, Netflix, Facebook, PayPal, or Github?

Also, Github seems to be a really strange addition to that group.

I'm fairly certain that very few non-programmers know what Github is.

arda

@Yuuki commitstrip is mostly developer humor, so addition of that makes sense, I guess.

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18:23

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fredley

@Yuuki Gi-thub? What's a gi-thub?

Sterno

Sounds like some sort of social network

Sterno

18:46

I stayed up too late last night. Now I need a nap.

Make Naps Great Again

fredley

bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37925122

@Sterno I'm powering through

Ellesedil

washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/09/…

badp

so in a moving speech Trump said we need to bind the wounds of America

and I know just the solution

to make everyone know that they're all in this together

and it's everybody's fault

no takesies backsies

please print out and apply this tatoo in a permanent fashion directly to your forehead

and make voting great again

Unionhawk

2

badp

it comes also in the @fredley-friendly variant

Unionhawk

18:53

In better news, my stock portfolio is actually up

Sterno

@Unionhawk This clearly means you were wrong about Trump, the rest of the country saved you, and you should apologize immediately.

Wipqozn

@Sterno yeah I'm exhausted. Fell asleep at 2am. Woke up at 5am. Checked the results. couldn't fall back asleep.

Unless I'm asleep right now and this is a nightmare

arda

@Wipqozn I really really wish this is all a nightmare

Sterno

You just needed some kids poking you awake, as well as the knowledge that even after work, you can't take a nap, to complete the experience.

fredley

@Wipqozn Yup, pretty much what I did

Wipqozn

18:56

@arda Its going to take me a while to remember who you are again

Gosh darn avatar changes

fredley

I'm trying to make it to at least 8

arda

@Wipqozn you know what's the best part? I'll be back to the old one tomorrow.

fredley

6 mins ago, by Unionhawk

Sterno

People who change avatars are literally worse than figurative Hitler

Wipqozn

@fredley When I go home I might just curl up with my cat

fredley

18:57

@Wipqozn I have no animals

:(

Wipqozn

@Sterno aka trump?

@fredley :(

Sterno

@Wipqozn Time will tell!

But no, he's probably not Hitler

GnomeSlice

^

Sterno

My hope is more or less that Trump's like that racist uncle you have who says all sorts of awful shit but when he actually gets around the people he says it about, he's perfectly polite.

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