The Bridge

djsmiley2k

17:00

lol

Unionhawk

@Wipqozn Right?

It's even worse because he plays on Europe usually, so him playing on Americas with us is not ideal

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk @badp can you use your mod powers to destroy @KevinvanderVelden Internet so he can't play overwatch?

badp

no. I cannot hamper Half Life 3

Half Life 3 is protected by the WWF

Wipqozn

THERE IS HE

Dragonrage

gaming.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/185831

Wipqozn

17:01

IT'S @KevinvanderVelden THE BETRAYER

Dragonrage

someone tell me if that is an appropriate edit pls

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk I wasn't I was taking a picture of the box

Wipqozn

@KevinvanderVelden IS that so you can post it and gloat?

Unionhawk

@Dragonrage I don't actually know and I can't find out if that screenshot will show up

Dragonrage

i skipped it, but i want to know for next time i see one like that

Unionhawk

17:02

But most of me wants to say causes harm->introduces grammatical errors at least

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn kinda

This is why I bought the box because the box is cool

Frank

@Wipqozn I saw the dev diary. Which patch?

Unionhawk

That's actually kind of neat

I mean why would you ever buy retail

badp

@KevinvanderVelden no

thanks for asking

Kevin van der Velden

If you only open it once you get a picture of hanzo, which you can then open for that

badp

17:05

so now that you've already opened it once, you cannot open it back up ever again?

Kevin van der Velden

You can it has velcro

Wipqozn

@Frank Clark. Oh right, it's not out yet, still in playtsting.

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk also because it's 10 euros cheaper than from blizzard

Wipqozn

@KevinvanderVelden That sure does take up space

Unionhawk

@KevinvanderVelden Oh, okay, that's actually fair

Even after shipping?

Wipqozn

17:07

I used to be all "physical books best books", but ebooksd take up so much less space

Unionhawk

Srs?

Wipqozn

This is somehwat related

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn it's slightly larger than a regular dvd

@Unionhawk free shipping

Wipqozn

Oh my

Unionhawk

I mean, have you seen how big @Wipqozn's house is? It's just a cardboard box after all (THE JOKE IS BOX LION)

(THE JOKE WOULD BE SHELL I GUESS IF TURTLE)

Wipqozn

17:08

@Unionhawk Oh I get it, that's funny

I will never be a turtle ever again, just to make you all unhappy. Especially @fredley.

Kevin van der Velden

Also I got 3 codes for free stuff in other blizzard games, interesting

badp

current level of spite for select2: considerable

Wipqozn

@KevinvanderVelden Msut be the origin edition. Probably the only physical copy you could buy.

How are you liking your origin edition @Sterno?

Unionhawk

I mean, his two mains are bastion and 76 basically, which both have origins skins

badp

element.val() => "42,43"
element.select2("val") => ["42","43"]
element.select2("val", ["42","43"]) => okay
element.select2("val", "42") => everything gets deselected, no error
element.select2("val", [["42","43"]]) => everything gets deselected, no error

Unionhawk

17:12

What even why.

badp

so if I get my input as either "42" or ["42","43"]

I have to do the munging myself

I'm pretty sure that whomever came up with the ...&whatever[]=20&... kludge is feeling pretty smug now

well fuck you

this isn't supposed to be a problem

Unionhawk

wow

I don't know if I'd rather deal with that or 49 build errors

badp

I'm sure @murgatroid99 could come with some sensible explanation

Unionhawk

Probably

badp

to which I say, if you ever have to care between the difference between ...&foo[]=2&... and ...&foo=2&... you're doing it wrong

Unionhawk

17:17

Actually 46 of these are related to the fact that I haven't been able to build, I think

Since it's looking for dlls that don't currently exist

badp

also the backend only accepts ...&foo=2&foo=3&foo=4&... so get off my back

the alternative is of course doing strings splits on ...&foo=2,3,4&... and ain't no one wants that

AIN'T NO ONE DOES

Unionhawk

that is not what the refrance

badp

sometimes we must break the preconceived refrances, and evolve them into new refrances

break the trump-grade trump wall of trump memes

murgatroid99

@badp what was the question?

badp

and stump the reader with meme trumpscensions

GodEmperorDune

17:20

@badp the memes just got 5 feet higher

badp

@murgatroid99 oh, eh, stuff around select2 being annoying, stuff about dealing with passing multiple of the same parameter

murgatroid99

@badp What language is this?

badp

just html/js

Unionhawk

GOT IT

MAYBE

badp

api/memes/get?topic=trump&topic=wall vs api/memes/get?topic[]=trump&topic[]=wall vs some kludge like api/memes/get?topic=trump,wall

Unionhawk

17:22

NAMESPACES YAY

badp

apparently the mindshare has switched to the second form because reasons

so I have to fight the mindshare at every turn

GodEmperorDune

@badp why would you add useless [] characters into a url?

Kevin van der Velden

Overtime victories on attack are the sweetest

Unionhawk

/ignore @KevinvanderVelden

badp

@GodEmperorDune "because otherwise how do you encode the fact that those are array elements"

Unionhawk

17:24

wat

GodEmperorDune

@badp parse properly on the server side

badp

@GodEmperorDune actually the problem is on frontend

GodEmperorDune

you should never blindy trust the url

Unionhawk

Cool it builds

GodEmperorDune

its too easy to mess with

@badp if your topic variable is treated like an array later on, treat itlike an array when you populate it

you loop through parameters and append

Unionhawk

17:25

You should never blindly trust any url

Kevin van der Velden

So guys, I've got a 100% winrate in overwatch, I should just never play it again right?

Unionhawk

I don't know I'm ignoring you

GodEmperorDune

@KevinvanderVelden maybe you should stop hanzo spamming, amirite @twobugs

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune Hanzo ult takes a lot of skill

Kevin van der Velden

@GodEmperorDune junkrat actually

Also:

Unionhawk

17:27

Sweet, so now I have a thing. Now I need to call the thing

Kevin van der Velden

in Overwatch, yesterday, by Sterno

Ryuu Ga Waga Teki Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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two bugs

@GodEmperorDune Man you're really hung up about that

Unionhawk

I mean, we can go back to praising the sun and calling Overwatch the Dark Souls of TF2

Kevin van der Velden

Also fun is throwing junkrat traps on a genji trying to murderate you and then blowing him up with one grenade to the face

Unionhawk

17:30

\[T]/

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs i need new streams to spawn new @twobugs memes

praise the @twobugs \2/

Unionhawk

"The dark souls of tf2" is in fact the worst thing I have ever said yes

two bugs

I mean I'm fine with jokes and whatnot but when I'm constantly getting pinged about something I haven't said for weeks... yeah

badp

@GodEmperorDune except depending on the number of arguments I get it is either just the thing or the array of things

two bugs

After playing Hanzo I realize that my criticisms were not entirely founded

badp

17:31

and select2 expects to have an array always, except not?

two bugs

I mentioned that in the Overwatch channel!

Unionhawk

We were both out of the room when that happened

two bugs

You were literally both there

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk nah i was listening

thats why i pinged about it

Unionhawk

I was actually out of the room though

like physically out

Or otherwise not paying attention

ardaozkal

17:33

my best chance of getting overwatch:

badp

be careful, you might just get your wish

MadMAxJr

You didn't just apt-get Overwatch?

ardaozkal

@MadMAxJr no apt on windows :(

two bugs

Anyway, I'm fine with everyone having a good laugh at my expense but let's keep it reasonable, yeah?

GodEmperorDune

alright @twobugs i won't bug you about hanzo arrow spam anymore

but i am on the hunt for a new @twobugs meme

badp

17:34

what happened, did @twobugs mouse again?

two bugs

You don't need a meme

MadMAxJr

2bugs2memes

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs if i don't have a meme then i would need to actually put thought into the things i post

two bugs

@badp So several weeks ago during the open beta of Overwatch I was frustrated with a certain character

badp

look we all like to remind @twobugs not to mouse, but if he doesn't, how will he get adequate?

we must support him on his road to mousing

two bugs

17:35

Because the killcam will typically be the player just randomly firing off shots

Unionhawk

I mean, this is usually true

two bugs

And out of 30+ shots one will hit and instakill

djsmiley2k

one hit to insta kill?

nice.

instagib was win.

Unionhawk

It's a bow that headshots

djsmiley2k

right

badp

17:36

some old dudes from old games like to call the old thing the lucksman

two bugs

It's frustrating to be on the receiving end, I was especially unlucky or the shooter was very good for a few of them

badp

but they are old and irrelevant and stupid

Unionhawk

And also does on the order of 100 damage on its own maybe more

MadMAxJr

Fixed. Hanzo now shoots Bastions in turret mode.

two bugs

I just think it's silly that he has no max ammo count and can fire two a second

MadMAxJr

17:36

Also the Bastions fly.

badp

the old dude's old advice is to counter snipers with snipers, should flanking fail

djsmiley2k

2 a second is ..... railgun speed in q3?

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs he had a max ammo count in the short film

badp

maybe new snipers can be countered with other things

two bugs

There are counters, yeah

djsmiley2k

17:37

I counter snipers with big bombs.

MadMAxJr

Protip: Shoot the Hanzo until it dies.

GodEmperorDune

is hanzo a sniper? i thought the spider woman was a sniper

two bugs

I had the unfortunate experience of flanking one and he used his scatter arrow to 1shot me as well

@GodEmperorDune Two snipers. Widow is traditional, Hanzo is bow

badp

yeah, old bows also do that in old times

does Overwatch have backstabs, or a spy-ish thing?

Unionhawk

no

MadMAxJr

17:38

Hanzo and Widowmaker are the two snipers.

badp

I guess overwatch also doesn't really have engies

Dragonrage

widow has hitscan, hanzo takes skill to ht

MadMAxJr

Overwatch broke up engy into two characters.

badp

lucksman takes skill, you just heard that here first!!!!!!1one

Yuuki

@Dragonrage "skill"

Unionhawk

17:39

all games with classes and guns are tf2

badp

@Unionhawk I'm sorry I'm old and irrelevant and can only think of things in terms of things I know

MadMAxJr

Engineer is now Turret Man and Teleporter Girl.

(They fight crime)

GodEmperorDune

i thought symmetra had both turrets and teleports

badp

well that's a easy choice, teleporters > turrets

MadMAxJr

Mini turrets.

Yuuki

17:40

@GodEmperorDune Yeah, but they're more like mini sentries with even less health.

badp

tf2 engie is all about protecting that forward tele

MadMAxJr

And her teleporter requires an ultimate charge, then breaks after six uses.

badp

wat. that's useless.

Unionhawk

Like, imagine a mini sentry with no health but lasers and slowdown

badp

yeah overwatch doesn't have engies

MadMAxJr

17:41

Oh it's useful. Defense has painfully long walk lanes.

Unionhawk

@badp Not really

GodEmperorDune

yeah i have never played tf2 so all these tf2 comparisons are useless to me

two bugs

Symmetra is actually pretty good, it's just she isn't a support character

badp

6-use teleporters?

two bugs

And she's considered 'support' in the UI

Unionhawk

17:41

It's actually pretty powerful

badp

and that is your "ultimate"?

MadMAxJr

It was nerfed so she can't get more ult while there's a teleporter in play.

Unionhawk

Since that's almost a 6 revive on mercy

which isn't a thing since it's 6 man teams

two bugs

@badp Each character has a special, powerful ability that they charge by doing their thing and it charges over time

badp

I know what an ultimate is

MadMAxJr

17:42

teleporters can usually be hidden fairly well near a point.

And her gun is no laughing matter. Primary fire is a joke, but the secondary bypasses barriers.

two bugs

@badp Your ultimate is your teleporter then you silly goose

SaintWacko

> Resolution: 200x228px
Screen Size: 1.5 inch
DPI: 202 DPI

Yuuki

Her teleporter does need a little tuning. Not for balance reasons, but for gameplay experience reasons.

badp

@twobugs yes, having the climax of your gameplay placing down a 6-use teleporter doesn't sound like the height of excitement

but I haven't played so I dunno

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki like what?

MadMAxJr

17:43

It's exciting when your team recovers near instantly from taking a few losses.

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm, 60 rocket direct hits

Dragonrage

@Yuuki i mean, your arrows fall with distance, you have no scope, and you cant shoot as fast, and your close quarters combat is much worse than hers, plus you are a lot less mobile

SaintWacko

Those are the screen specs for the PT2

Hm

badp

does the symmetra teleporter take a while to take the next person through like a level 3 tp?

Yuuki

@Dragonrage No, your close quarters is not worse than Widow's.

badp

17:44

or is it more like a portal

you just go through immediately

MadMAxJr

No, it's instant

Yuuki

Scatter Arrow one-shots everyone but tanks if you land it at their feet. Widow can't do the same thing.

MadMAxJr

No charge

SaintWacko

@Dragonrage You can fire a charged shot instantly

Yuuki

SaintWacko

17:44

You don't have to scope and wait

Yuuki

That was an idea someone posted.

MadMAxJr

Also you only place the teleporter exit. The entry auto-appears at spawn.

two bugs

It's instant and it can change the course of a battle

badp

I guess that's a little better, and if you're playing payload teleporters hardly stay relevant for long

SaintWacko

@Yuuki This was an excellent idea

Gah

Now I want to play Overwatch

Dragonrage

17:45

@Yuuki only if you have a scatter shot, if you dont have it you are pretty much dead

badp

does Overwatch also do the thing where the game balance gets tilted with respawn timers?

Yuuki

@Dragonrage If you don't have a scatter shot ready for CQC, you're not using your scatter shot correctly.

Dragonrage

widowmaker has the ar mode a mine, and an escape

MadMAxJr

Tobjorn's sentry got nerfed a bit from beta, but is still good. He can make a level 2. Level 3 only works when he's using his molten core ult. Then it's a level 3 with rockets.. for a short time.

Yuuki

Hanzo can climb up walls at will.

Unionhawk

17:46

@badp no

badp

like, on control point, if you have the point, you respawn faster/slower/the same

Unionhawk

respawns are static afaik

Yuuki

Widow has a 12 second CD on her grapple.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki that seems like it would be a pain in the ass for team members to know if they can teleport or not

Yuuki

I'm not saying Widow is definitively worse than Hanzo at CQC, I'm saying they're much closer than you're implying.

badp

17:46

I guess the pushes happen based on ults instead of just being physically there

Unionhawk

Good pushes do yes

MadMAxJr

Ults are totally a push tool / push deny tool.

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Teleporter has glowing portal when there are uses, doesn't have glowing portal when no uses?

Unionhawk

Bad pushes aren't really a thing

badp

that said I shouldn't assume tf2 doesn't have ults

we just call them ubers

Unionhawk

17:47

Yes

Dragonrage

@badp when the tele has no more uses it dies

Unionhawk

Just in overwatch all characters have them and they retain charges

MadMAxJr

'MannCo ULTIMATES update'

fredley

If it works and it's stupid, it's not stupid?

Wipqozn

badp

17:48

@Dragonrage yeah it just seems underwhelming to have the teleporter run out of uses, I guess it's just different

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn #toosoon

Unionhawk

Like I said, 6 uses is an entire team

MadMAxJr

God dammit I haven' caught up on the show yet.

badp

does having the teleporter used charge the teleporter ult

Unionhawk

or one really bad dude

fredley

17:48

Oh wait, there's a much better way to do that...

I'm dumb

badp

@Unionhawk it could be 96 uses on tf2, I would still find that underwhelming

Dragonrage

@badp i think so

considering there is a stat for it

Yuuki

The thing is, Symmetra's power throughout a match spikes up and down much more than everyone else and that feels kinda awkward.

Unionhawk

@badp We ran into a symmetra teleporter one game and it was pretty drastic

Since it was just dudes showing up behind the cart

badp

on a good defense day in TF2, my teleporters got used easily more than 120 timse

Yuuki

17:50

When she's running full-bore with shields on everyone, all 6 turrets down, and a fresh teleporter, she's very strong.

Unionhawk

So me, being a dude with a forward shield, I was not doing great

badp

but losing that teleporter would immediately destroy the defense

even if I didn't have to bring it back to level 3

Wipqozn

@MadMAxJr Then it will make sense once you do

Dragonrage

@badp the most amount of times i have died in a game so far is 9 i think. i average about 4 iirc

Yuuki

But switching to Symmetra is pretty much never seen since she requires so much set-up to get going.

badp

17:51

maybe Overwatch games are shorter.

Unionhawk

It's usually 10 minute or so games

MadMAxJr

They're about 8 minutes long.

badp

but is that shorter? I kinda haven't played regular payload in years

Unionhawk

I don't know

It might be longer

badp

I spent most of last year playing stop that tank

MadMAxJr

17:51

TF2 matches vary by map. Payloads tend to be 20-30 minute affairs.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki does everyone know who their teammates are playing before the match starts, like LoL?

Wipqozn

I do find the matchesto be shorter, but that's an improvement imo

badp

I've played enough payload for a lifetime probably

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune yea

Wipqozn

I like being able to just hop in for 10 minute game

Unionhawk

17:52

@GodEmperorDune You can switch in the middle anyway

Dragonrage

you have like 20 seconds to chose, and there is a hero select screen where you see your whole team, but not the enemy team

Unionhawk

But yes

Sterno

@Wipqozn NOTHING BUT REGRET

ardaozkal

Google Paris HQ raided in Tax Probe

badp

@Dragonrage this is hardly surprising

Sterno

17:53

But I didn't really pick it on purpose. I thought it was just the base version

Wipqozn

@Sterno I thought so.

@Sterno Yup. Excellent. I'm so happy I didn't make the same old man mistake.

badp

or at least, you don't know what the enemy team compo is in TF2 either :P

Wipqozn

I might go to bed at 8am, but at least my mind isn't going yet!

GodEmperorDune

@Wipqozn oh old man mistke

Sterno

@Wipqozn I'll just pretend I bought 25 loot boxes and only got 4 items from them.

Dragonrage

17:54

@badp he was asking in relation to LoL, and in LoL you can see enemy team comp

Wipqozn

@Sterno That works

Those loot boxes would have just been filled with crap for characters you don't play anyways

well I'll be leaving work in a few minutes, if you catch my drift

Sterno

@Wipqozn Are you talking about sex?

badp

I pretty much despise the design of MOBAs

Sterno

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ALWAYS MEAN WHEN THEY SAY "CATCH MY DRIFT"

Wipqozn

@Sterno Only if I can do that while playing Overwtach

GodEmperorDune

17:55

@Sterno true dat

Unionhawk

@Sterno No, the kids say "Netflix and chill" to mean that now

JEEZ

GET WITH THE TIMES

Sterno

@Unionhawk They aren't mutually exclusive. LEARN LOGIC

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk what if they don't have a netflix sub? are they forever excluded?

Unionhawk

They are

badp

YOU WILL NOT JOIN MIDWAY
YOU WILL NOT CHANGE MIDWAY
YOU WILL NOT LEAVE MIDWAY
YOU WILL NOT HAVE A LIFE MIDWAY
YOU WILL STAY UNTIL THIS IS OVER
AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
ALL 40 MINUTES OF IT
QUITTER

Sterno

17:56

@Wipqozn's mom is a very nice lady, if you catch my drift.

fredley

yessssssssss

cc: @PrivatePansy

two bugs

@badp Overwatch isn't a moba :)

badp

@twobugs yeah, this was again about LoL

two bugs

I, too, hate the moba

badp

I now know you can join midway and change classes midway

though you still have the quitter thing

Unionhawk

17:58

Yeah, well, 10 minute games is a thing to make up for it

badp

is there team switching/autobalance?

two bugs

The quitter thing is funny because matchmaking is very fast and games are short

Between matches, yes

badp

for those times when you're 5v3 midway through?

two bugs

It'll keep adding people midgame

Unionhawk

I've never actually encountered that situation

badp

17:59

or like when the enemy team ragequits en masse

ardaozkal

@badp join in progress is a thing afaik

people can join

two bugs

If too many people quit it quickly reinitializes

Unionhawk

The matchmaker just goes "! PANIC FIND ANOTHER PLAYER FAST !"

and then it does usually

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