The Bridge

badp

18:03

you mean your signature wasn't neat and truthful?

KutuluMike

@badp won't that make them much less effective than just swallowing them?

badp

@KutuluMike you just gotta believe and the placebo effect will do the rest

Rainbow combob×5

SaintWacko

@badp QUINTUPLE RAINBOW!

GnomeSlice

heh

ardaozkal

badp

18:18

Google's closing argument

LeDerp

It's beautiful.

two bugs

If Google loses this we're all fuct

GnomeSlice

wait, what?

badp

@twobugs I think you might not be as fucked if you don't write in a language that has actual interface files

but yes, it would be pretty fucked up.

two bugs

@badp True

badp

18:20

and we all know this is going to appeal anyway

either way

two bugs

@GnomeSlice Oracle makes Java. Google uses Java for Android. Oracle want Android money

badp

Google knew that would happen and remade Java from scratch; Google didn't even call it Java.

Unionhawk

Well, oracle bought the company that made Java, is where Google is trying to steer people

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: How to overcome 'Differing war philosophy' to create an alliance in Stellaris?

The Empire found a true friend, the trade is good, Science is exchanged, dependency is guarantied and all the rest. Our governor wish to create an alliance with them - all is good beside 'Differing war philosophy' which is the only obstacle. How can our government change policy accordingly, to...

stellaris

Unionhawk

I think

badp

18:21

Oracle says, "that's not good enough, it quacks like Java, it barks like Java, so it's Java and it's ours"

Unionhawk

It's complicated and weird

two bugs

Basically Oracle is saying you have to pay them to use Java, or something. My brain started slooshing out my ears at some point

Unionhawk

Yeah srsly

ardaozkal

I'm suing Stack for making chat like IRC

Unionhawk

@twobugs "but you guys offer the SDK as a free download I cannot even"

"I lack the capability to even"

badp

18:22

what Oracle is saying is that if you want to have a computer that talks to another computer, you have to use some bits of shared somethings so that they can understand each other

and the author of those shared somethings would pretty much have monopoly on the way they talked

two bugs

It seems like they're going scorched Earth here because if they win and it's upheld, people will just abandon Java

They're just hoping to get Google $$$$

Kevin van der Velden

@ardaozkal good... luck?

badp

so basically every time you connect to the internet you'd have to pay the MIT something

or the US army or whatever that was

two bugs

As @badp mentions they don't seem to care about the ramifications

ardaozkal

@KevinvanderVelden I just need to buy IRC first

Kevin van der Velden

18:23

Exactly

badp

@twobugs They have 9* billion** reasons*** to not care

ardaozkal

good luck to me at buying a protocol

badp

I mean, you already CAN kinda claim monopoly on that

it's called a patent

but Oracle also want a copyright over it

soon we'll be trademarking keywords

two bugs

@badp Like "react"

Unionhawk

lol it's funny because

badp

18:25

return™ is the intellectual property® of Oracle Corporations©

2

Unionhawk

is shot

StrixVaria

@badp Is there any indication yet of who is favored to win the case?

Unionhawk

I don't think anyone knows what is even going on right now

badp

@StrixVaria no idea. It's basically a coinflip based on whether the six joe sixpacks that were chosen have a clue or not.

3ventic

@badp and programming returns to goto™

StrixVaria

18:26

@badp ugh

badp

except the joe sixpacks were specifically chosen to not have a clue, and to not get a clue outside of the courtroom.

were the Joe Sixpacks to get a clue outside of the courtroom, they would be instantly disqualified.

Unionhawk

Yeah, I mean, that is how it works

badp

they're expressly forbidden to google or talk to others about this.

StrixVaria

Shouldn't a jury of "peers" have a clue?

badp

did I mention common law and binding precedents are bullshit?

Kevin van der Velden

18:27

@StrixVaria something something average person

Unionhawk

@StrixVaria It comes down to not coming in with preconceived notions

3ventic

Speaking of Java, my life right now

Kevin van der Velden

Minecraft?

3ventic

Gephi.

Kevin van der Velden

Pretty

3ventic

18:29

Trying to process a graph with ~2.5 million nodes and ~4.4 million edges

Kevin van der Velden

#rip

badp

good luck

Unionhawk

> Then Van Nest moved to parry an attack he knows is coming from Oracle

ardaozkal

@3ventic 3v.fi? DAMN NICE DOMAIN YOU HAVE THERE

Kevin van der Velden

That sounds like the kind of thing you run on a server somewhere with heavily optimised C code

Unionhawk

18:29

Google lawyers are the chosen undead of lawyers cc @twobugs

two bugs

@Unionhawk Yeah this is the problem I think

3ventic

@ardaozkal I like it

badp

@Unionhawk you now owe the internet oracle a relevant dark souls meme

ardaozkal

@3ventic I loved it

two bugs

It's weird that we seem to hold it to much higher standards here than... anywhere else

Unionhawk

18:30

@badp Eh I cc'd @twobugs that's basically a dark souls meme

ardaozkal

I like short domains too: 0ws.pw is the shortest I have rn though

two bugs

@badp No, see, Trumpco Cramdai has ownership of the meme so- is shot

badp

is this Texas

there's a lot of shootings over here

@agent86 stop with your goddamn shotgun

two bugs

I don't know if Texas even has the highest number of per capita shootings. It might not.

(Per US state, obv)

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Xbox 360 not working

So, this is a 4 year old Xbox... 5 days ago until yesterday i played the xbox and it started normally... But today, when i press the turn on button, this happens : ● There is a green light on the 'turn on' button ● The cooling fan is not spinning ● Nothing shows up in my tv ● Need a veerryy long ...

xbox-360

Kevin van der Velden

18:32

@twobugs not even: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

two bugs

@KevinvanderVelden Wow, none of my guesses were in the right area

Oh well

Dragonrage

@ardao did you still want to see an example of air sweepers working?

Kevin van der Velden

@twobugs I would imagine if you only took the populated centers it'd change quite a bit

badp

I mean this might be a moment where it's fair to not consider DC a state

ardaozkal

@Dragonrage yeah

my sister is at 168 thingies right now, can join on 200

two bugs

18:34

@KevinvanderVelden True, I'm sure by county or by senate district is different

I know South Chicago would be up there

badp

also that data is 6 years old, pls

Kevin van der Velden

DIdn't the NRA get the government to ban research into gun violence?

two bugs

Trump calls global warming a "hoax", builds wall to keep rising sea levels away from his resort

@KevinvanderVelden Something like this, I don't remember the specifics

LeDerp

A rather sensical thing to do.

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs but it was created by china

@KevinvanderVelden yeah, they have said that funding the CDC to research gun violence is effectively "gun control" and it shows up on their scorecard

murgatroid99

18:38

@twobugs It's a long con. The only way to truly convince people that global warming is real is to make sea levels actually rise for a while

Kevin van der Velden

Indeed, didn't you guys see the extension cords running to the arctic to power the electric heaters melting the ice?!

two bugs

@murgatroid99 The thing is this only takes care of part of the denialist crowd. They're starting to diversify

There are people who argue that global warming is happening but we can't do anything about it so let's just burn everything

Unionhawk

There's a diversity joke in here somewhere

two bugs

People who argue that it's the Sun because No I Don't Got Any Of Your Lieberal Data

murgatroid99

@twobugs You can't fool all the people all the time. You just have to fool enough to get research funding to research the thing you totally made up. Or something

Kevin van der Velden

18:39

@Unionhawk But we're all too sad to make it?

Unionhawk

Well, I'm just too lazy

djsmiley2k

o/

hmmm

two bugs

@Unionhawk I think it's more similar to how Creationist arguments have started to evolve into distinct lineages :P

djsmiley2k

get to the watchtower using only 3 balls

wtf

Yuuki

Whoo, maybe some contract-to-hire work incoming!

GodEmperorDune

18:41

@Yuuki be wary of that, sometimes the hire never arrives

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune The hourly contract rate is still a lot better than what I've gotten before.

GodEmperorDune

unless you are fine with permanent contractor, of course

two bugs

@Yuuki That's good

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune It's supposedly a temporary contract.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki right, because you are paying your own benefits and taxes out of it

two bugs

18:42

Just be careful you don't get taken for a ride, I'm paranoid about that with contracts after my experience

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs yeah i got taken for a ride early on in my career by a "contract to hire" where the hire never materialized

long term it was a good thing (it was a small php shop) but short term it really sucked

MadMAxJr

Today's Jam.

FantomenK - The Massacre

►

Yuuki

Hmm... how long is "too long" for contract work then?

Unionhawk

1 hour

two bugs

I typically see 3/6/9 month contract

GodEmperorDune

18:44

@Yuuki it depends on your goals

i was interested in the stability of a hire

djsmiley2k

The Unfinished Swan - Minimalist Trophy

►

I./...

Yuuki

@twobugs Okay, I'm looking at a 6 month contract for this one.

GodEmperorDune

other people like the higher rate a contractor can get

MadMAxJr

Contract to hire where we keep extending your contract and not actually hire you so we can make you jump through, "If you want us to bring you in, you need to work harder" schemes.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki is it through an agency?

two bugs

18:45

@Yuuki That's not too bad. I had one where I got about 3-4 months in and then the company pulled the plug on the whole office. That's an extreme case, though

ardaozkal

@Dragonrage hey, sent join request

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Yeah, recruiter contacted me.

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: How do you beat Level 14 of the Alien Campaign in Raze 2?

The two enemies are very strong, and even with my advanced gear and Frozen Death launcher, I can't beat them to 30 kills.

windows-7

two bugs

Recruiters tend to be scum, work with them only as long as their interests align with yours

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki no i mean will you be getting your paycheck from the agency or directly from the company itself?

Yuuki

18:47

@twobugs Right now, I'm just looking for some work to get me on my feet and put some more experience on my resume.

GnomeSlice

@djsmiley2k crazy

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs very much this. i have a found a few good ones, but many are pretty bad

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune Not clear yet, I only just got the initial call and there'll be a follow-up later today.

two bugs

@Yuuki That's reasonable, but you need to be cautious during the whole process and don't let them take advantage of you

Yuuki

@twobugs I'm not exactly sure what to look out for though.

two bugs

18:48

I've had recruiters guarantee me a job at rate X/hr. And then I get the job and it's Y/hr.

And they just hope you don't notice

@Yuuki Any kind of quick-change or pressure to take the job. Ultimately it's your decision

If they aren't trying to place you in a good match, they aren't doing THEIR job correctly and it's on them.

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs yes

also important is to find out what sort of deliverables the client expects

Yuuki

@twobugs So basically any talk of signing deadlines is a red flag?

two bugs

@Yuuki Not necessarily, but always be skeptical

Recruiters are typically paid via comission

GodEmperorDune

if its "sit in the chair and be a code monkey" that is very different from "we will judge you based on the success or failure of the project"

MadMAxJr

Any time a contract says 'Other duties as assigned' I ask them to provide examples of what that other work could be. Because it's a free pass for them to make up whatever requirements they want after you sign.

GodEmperorDune

18:52

@twobugs depends on the arrangement, either its lump sum (basically finders fee) and you can do what you like with the company afterward or the company pays the agency and the agency pays you after taking their (fairly large) cut

two bugs

True, I guess my point is more some recruiters are basically incentivized to take a shotgun approach

Which is really bad for someone just starting up

Or anyone, really

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs yes, some are paid by "how many candidates can you shove in front of the company" instead of "how many candidates are hired and how long do they stick around"

@Yuuki also be very upfront about what you do and don't know. companies tend to be stingy with training overall, the recruiter may lie about your experience level "you're getting a mid level guy for entry level price, etc..."

including fiddling with your resume

two bugs

YES, good point

MAKE SURE THEY GET YOUR RESUME RIGHT

GodEmperorDune

sometimes its as harmless as scrubbing your contact info and placing the agency's logo, sometimes its much worse

like making up jobs and skills

MadMAxJr

Some spin your resume because they know the client. Others spin it because NO IT NEEDS MORE BUZZWORDS.

two bugs

18:56

I've had them give inaccurate and outdated resumes that made my experience sound significantly worse

I asked them to change it. Multiple times.

MadMAxJr

"Uh, recruiter, it says here I was a Memelord from 2005 to 2012." "Yes, you need that skill."

GodEmperorDune

yeah so always bring a fresh copy to any companies that you actually interview with

two bugs

20% of Sanders supporters say they would vote for Trump over Hillary, according to a poll. That is insanely depressing

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs people lie in polls all the time

MadMAxJr

Yeah.. John Oliver pointed out some horrible things about the election last night.

GnomeSlice

18:58

Have you guys seen the chewbacca mom thing?

omg hilarious

two bugs

@GodEmperorDune You're right, it could be higher

Yuuki

@twobugs Do I... ask the company for my resume back or something?

Dragonrage

@GodEmperorDune 30% of people lie in polls. and 40% of statistics are made up on the spot

MadMAxJr

I think it's... Washington state... They do a primary and a caucus. For the democratic party, the primary votes aren't used. At all.

two bugs

@Yuuki I found out in the worst way possible - I went into an interview and was talking about my experience and was blindsided

GodEmperorDune

18:59

@Dragonrage more importantly, the way questions are worded in polls matters, the way the sampling was done matters

@Yuuki just bring a fresh copy and hand it to them

two bugs

So I don't really know. I would say you ask to see the copy they're sending out

Yuuki

@MadMAxJr "... but that implies I've stopped being a memelord?"

two bugs

But absolutely bring your own copies

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