The Bridge

Chippies

04:00

wtf, how come no one told me Forza was announced on PC couple months ago?!

ardaozkal

@Chippies I believe I wrote it to bridge

Chippies

@ardaozkal didn't see, therefore didn't happen

ardaozkal

chat.stackexchange.com/… nope I didn't.

I meet the minimum for forza yaaaay! (nope I don't have enough storage)

user15026

....an Arqade memer. I...okay then.

Chippies

@ardaozkal you... don't have an ssd/hdd big enough to free up 30 gb?

ardaozkal

04:06

@Chippies I have like 300gb on external, but about 3gb on SSD.

I might remove linux mint and get 30gb though.

Frank

@Wipqozn \o/

Chippies

I got 53gb free on my SSD and I can always just remove some games

ardaozkal

user15026

...how do you run out of space

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn easy. Be a cheapskate and get a 120gb ssd.

I'll probably buy a 250gb / 500gb one soon though. They just cost too much here.

user15026

04:10

I don't have an ssd so maybe I just don't get that

Chippies

120gb ssd is too little for games :/

ardaozkal

@Chippies I literally have no games installed.

Chippies

OS alone is gonna be half, if not more of it

and you have two? lol

user15026

@ardaozkal well no, if you had nothing, steam wouldn't want to update ;)

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn fixed

Chippies

04:12

120gb is not worth the price these days

~500gb's are the best value now

250's are pretty good too

ardaozkal

I have 785 games on steam and I only play slither.io

I can't even play D3 :(

Chippies

I have 1000+ games and I don't even have steam running most of the time

user15026

I would have steam running but it still doesn't work

Chippies

silly mmo's and silly bundles with shit games

@ardaozkal have you tried freeing up some space?

because clearly you have none

ardaozkal

I can't remove anything.

user15026

04:13

That might help, yes

Chippies

and that negatively affects all software

Unionhawk

Screw it, we're doing it

Incoming best song ever

user15026

@Unionhawk what are we doing?

Chippies

@ardaozkal you can always remove something

ardaozkal

Like, arduino ide, office 2016, VS2015E, Xamarin, Photoshop, Steam, Unity installed and all my space is full already

@Chippies rm -rf / --no-preserve-root?

I guess not

Chippies

04:15

@ardaozkal format c:

ardaozkal

I wonder if I can extend C?

user15026

@ardaozkal why do you post screenshots for everything?

ardaozkal

oh wait I shouldn't attempt it. GRUB is on the same partition as Linuz.

user15026

(do they not clutter up space?)

Chippies

@ardaozkal you can map a folder on a different drive to C

user15026

04:16

Then again, if you don't keep the files I guess not

Chippies

access it through C, even though it's not on C

Unionhawk

@AshleyNunn Sonic at Twitch/Unionhawk

Chippies

@AshleyNunn normally I'd say "haha, notrly", but clearly every bit counts in his case...

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn I do, but they use ~40kb per picture. I wipe them every few days. I should implement it to ownshot probably.

user15026

@Chippies yeah, that's what I mean

Chippies

04:18

@ardaozkal idk how you got them at 40kb, when mine are ~500kb (full desktop sized tho)

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

1

That dark place

Proposed Q&A site for questions with questionable origins.

Currently in definition.

Chippies

got to be some tiny screenshots to be 40kb for me

user15026

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment no.

ardaozkal

@Chippies the cut ones are anywhere from 6kb to 200kb, but full desktop is around 200kb.

Chippies

I really hope MS doesn't do the stupid and release Forza as their windows market exclusive

but I'm sure they will...

ardaozkal

04:20

we will and you'll buy it and you'll play it.

Chippies

it's probably the only reason they're even releasing it on PC - to hook people on their garbage market

ardaozkal

What makes you not like Windows Store?

brb restarting edit: or not

Chippies

@ardaozkal it's gfwl all over again

ardaozkal

@Chippies Windows Store doesn't suck THAT hard.

user15026

@ardaozkal it literally serves no purpose?

user15026

04:21

@ardaozkal we?

Chippies

@AshleyNunn well, it's just another storefront, so it makes sense it that way

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn so doesn't: Steam, origin, uplay.

Chippies

but 1) I don't want another storefront

and 2) I don't want to be locked to one option

unless it's steam

which is hypocritical, but I admit it

user15026

@Chippies tbh it's kinda like "we have ten standards let's make one more"

user15026

@ardaozkal I also think the last two in that list are unnecessary

Chippies

04:22

the problem with windows market is that it pushes extra drm on top of everything else

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn I'm a MS student partner (representative-ish, not an employee though, have to state that).

@AshleyNunn true.

Chippies

it locks the files, you can't mod the games

ardaozkal

However, you'll be able to mod the games.

And not use vsync but use gsync and the amd thingy.

And use steam overlay on Store games.

Chippies

@ardaozkal uplay is garbage and shouldn't exist

origin has actually earned it's right on earth, it's not too horrible these days

ardaozkal

@Chippies I got Watch dogs deluxe edition for 2$ on Uplay and I disagree

Chippies

04:23

it's not steam, but it's better than uplay

ardaozkal

*2pound

user15026

@ardaozkal I still don't see how that means you can speak like you are a part of the company I.

user15026

In any real way

user15026

Dear my cat stop helping me type

Chippies

@ardaozkal I beat the pirated version of Watch Dogs before launch and watched as everyone complained that they couldn't play the game for days after launch due to uplay servers dying non-stop

if you buy a steam version, you still get uplay on top

ardaozkal

04:25

@AshleyNunn I had 4 hours of sleep and am not thinking that well tbh.

Chippies

I can understand uplay as a storefront

it's garbage, but it's your choice to use it

user15026

@ardaozkal then maybe sleep?

ardaozkal

@Chippies Forza 6 will probably have Azure backend and will not have the issues GFWL/watch dogs had.

@AshleyNunn I can't either.

Chippies

it should not exist as a drm garbage on top of steam if I buy from steam

user15026

@ardaozkal citation needed

Chippies

04:26

I don't own a single uplay game, because of that

@ardaozkal I'll believe it when I read reviews about it

I also once accidentally deleted wrong windows live account and lost access to my gfwl games

forever

that was fun

glad it died in a fire and dark souls moved to steamworks

ardaozkal

Azure has giant datacenters and blazing fast internet speeds. GFWL afaik was nothing as close to it.

Chippies

many games did not move to steamworks and I have no access to

@ardaozkal um, if that supposed to be impressive for a data center?

ardaozkal

I believe that Forza 6 will be awesome.

Chippies

there are people with faster internet at home

ardaozkal

@Chippies 30$/mo server.

user15026

04:28

@Chippies you took the words out of my mouth

Chippies

yes, it's fast, but it's nothing for a data center

ardaozkal

more than impressing for a 30$/mo server.

Higher tier = higher speed.

Chippies

@ardaozkal price is relative to location

ardaozkal

West EU

Chippies

Japanese internet provider offers twice the speed of Google Fiber for less money

3 years ago

51$ for 2gbps

ardaozkal

04:31

> the service requires an initial installation fee of around $537, and it must be purchased on a two-year contract.

Chippies

@ardaozkal 3 years ago

ardaozkal

Still as I said, I pay less than 51$ and get fast enough speeds for personal hosting purposes. (and 2 discord bots)

Chippies

and it's a private home connection

imagine data center speeds

I should see how much info MS wants from me to get an account for the store...

ardaozkal

I believe that it needs nothing more than an MS account (hotmail, outlook, etc.).

user15026

Probably all the info ever

user15026

04:33

That seems to be their new thing

Chippies

@ardaozkal assuming you have already given all the info to them by using an account for windows

I use local

ardaozkal

still, you can login for a single app

Chippies

I also don't use any of the MS services

hotmail, even though has improved a lot, has always been garbage

ardaozkal

you can use your gmail/yahoo/aol/whatever you use as an MS account.

Chippies

MS should just stick to making OS's and games

user15026

04:34

I don't see why they need to login to so much junk just so I can use my dang computer

Chippies

get rid of the consoles and their markets and everything

@AshleyNunn you don't have to, you can use a local account for windows 8/10

it's just... not very clear to anyone not knowing about the option

when you first install Windows 10, it's pretty much like LOG IN WITH YOUR MS ACCOUNT NOW! NO ACCOUNT? REGISTER NOW! DO EEEEEEEEET!!!!!!! or use local account BUT DON'T DO THAT, REGISTER NOWWWWWWWWWW

ugh, the windows store looks like a cheap version of google play store

not something I want to see on a PC

user15026

@Chippies I know but they don't make it easy or logical and I fail to see why non local should even ever be a thing

Chippies

@AshleyNunn eh, non-local has its benefits, like, cloud saving info

two bugs

You need a non-local one to download stuff off the windows store for some reason

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn syncing. Just like on Android phones.

two bugs

04:40

Even FREE THINGS

Chippies

which I have come to absolutely love with Chrome

ardaozkal

@twobugs you can't even open store on android without logging in.

two bugs

That's probably my favorite thing. Needing an account for something free

Chippies

@twobugs you need a steam account to download free games from steam too

or any storefront for that matter

ardaozkal

except itch

user15026

04:41

@ardaozkal I don't see why i need that on a desktop though

ardaozkal

itch doesn't need anything. itch.io best

Chippies

@AshleyNunn easy info recovery after windows reinstall

user15026

Although i tend to compartmentalize my devices in terms of what I do on what

Chippies

but yes, it's not really needed for most part

user15026

@Chippies I haven't ever had to do that with any machine

Chippies

04:42

I suppose it can sync info between your PC and laptop, but I'm not sure

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn what chippies said + auto app login + browser backup + sync with windows phone.

@Chippies it can.

Chippies

cloud saving makes sense in chrome, but for the windows it's not that useful for the average user, imho

or maybe I'm sub-average

ardaozkal

Last time I tried it was only settings (and files thru onedrive), but that was in W8.1

user15026

@ardaozkal none of that is useful to me

Chippies

perhaps if everything was more transparent and I'd actually know what gets sync'd and what doesn't, I might actually care more

two bugs

04:43

@Chippies That's an actual storefront, though

Chippies

as it stands now, I don't know how it benefits me, so it doesn't

Unionhawk

Well that was fun

two bugs

If I want the netflix thing on my Surface I have to log in with my microsoft account because ?????

Chippies

@twobugs so is windows store though

Unionhawk

Clearly air necklace is not required, but it'll be helpful

ardaozkal

04:44

@twobugs install chrome, watch there. boom.

no account needed except netflix

Chippies

@twobugs can't you get that from netflix site? or it directs you to store?

ardaozkal

@Chippies it doesn't afaik

two bugs

@Chippies I don't know they popped up a thing on my surface so I looked and whatever

Chippies

The summary of this conversation: I don't like new things, especially when the old things does everything I need better

two bugs

Anyway Windows store is dumb

They added microtransactions to Minesweeper

That's all I know and it makes me upset

Chippies

04:46

it scares me to think that there will be more games exclusive to windows store

two bugs

Meh

user15026

Wait how do you even get micro transactions in minesweeper

Chippies

and I may or may not have to go the route I went with uplay

user15026

Way to ruin everything

ardaozkal

@AshleyNunn remove ads

two bugs

04:46

Games that are exclusive to Windows Store are almost always on console as well

user15026

Why are there damn ads in minesweeper

6

Unionhawk

#XbonePlusWin10

user15026

Is nothing fucking sacred anymore

Chippies

@twobugs but the whole appeal of them being on PC is that they're on PC

Unionhawk

@AshleyNunn NOPE

two bugs

04:47

@Chippies But I already bought a damn xbox one to play these games

Chippies

@twobugs good for you, I didn't :P

two bugs

AND YOU SHOULD SUFFER

Unionhawk

TOMORROW (maybe) will be best song in the game

ardaozkal

even I didn't.

Unionhawk

by the way

Chippies

04:47

and I spent too much money on my PC to justify playing anything on a console anyway

two bugs

LIVE AND LEARNNNNNN

Unionhawk

HANGING ON THE EEEEEDGE OF TOMORROWWWWWW

Chippies

many games literally hurt my eyes at 30 fps

and also #21:9masterrace

two bugs

Forza is not a game I think needs to be on PC

Chippies

@twobugs elitist thinking!

two bugs

04:48

They've never had trouble pulling amazing performance out of the consoles at 60fps

Chippies

name one reason why it shouldn't be on PC though?

exclusivity is not good for the consumer

two bugs

Potentially dilutes the support. Now they have to support a TON of hardware configs

Chippies

ever

@twobugs it requires dx12, that covers a lot of that

two bugs

To an extent, there's still an obnoxiously high degree of variance even in high-end PC specs

Chippies

yeah, but dx12 deals with most of that

two bugs

04:50

For games like Driving Sims which are 100% about performance I think having one target platform just makes sense.

Chippies

I mean, sure, it's more work than to support 1 console

but PC's also have far more power

games are never as optimized on PC as they are on consoles

but PC's have far more power to offset that

ardaozkal

Both XBox and W10 use the same core.

XBox is basically a "steam machine".

two bugs

Right, because you basically can't optimize for a specific PC configuration without turning it into a console

Unionhawk

All right, downloading today's VODs

two bugs

I just don't think PC vs Console is as meaningful as it used to be

Unionhawk

04:51

So I can highlight dogsong etc

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Finished Defend the Castle, failed Tactical Thinking

Does this mean I'm an enemy of the Brotherhood? Where did I go wrong? The most Brotherhood related thing I did during the quest was call a vertibird, but that was it. Or was it because I'd left Danse in the castle?

fallout-4

Chippies

reaching 60 fps in a racing game should be trivial

Unionhawk

> all download slots in use

GODDAMMIT

two bugs

@Unionhawk I hope you go back and see the switch I was talking about and feel QUITE THE FOOL

@Chippies I'm not really sure what you mean? Hitting 60fps is pretty trivial in general, you need to do it while maintaining fidelity

Chippies

@twobugs racing games are generally not very demanding, which is why consoles usually run them at 60 fps while still looking good

two bugs

04:53

@Chippies I don't really agree with that :P

Chippies

the tracks are closed and there's not a lot going on

ardaozkal

Unionhawk

@twobugs That switch actually doesn't exist

Chippies

compared to, say, shooters with lots of explosions and whatnot

ardaozkal

:(

Unionhawk

04:54

Unless you mean a different door or something

two bugs

I meant the door over the water tunnel

Opposite the TIME switch

ardaozkal

Menagerist gob = awesome dank visual loot

two bugs

@Chippies But at the same time you're expected to have extremely high resolution models for each of the cars, great skyboxes, great scenery, etc.

Not to mention that you're potentially travelling at up to 200+mph

Chippies

@twobugs well, yes, the fidelity has gone up with the current gen consoles (obviously), but it's still not as demanding as some other genres

two bugs

Meaning you have to be able to render the track and objects very quickly

@Chippies I respectfully disagree lol

Chippies

04:57

I could be wrong, I haven't developed any games, nor do I really know the specifics of console racing game fidelity, since I don't have a console (besides the WiiU)

user15026

All I have done tonight is watch Downton Abbey and a bit of @Unionhawk streaming. I regret nothing.

Unionhawk

Chippies

@Unionhawk don't you have a beepy thing when you get near the gem?

two bugs

I swear I saw one

Unionhawk

@Chippies This is different

Chippies

04:59

@Unionhawk is this sonic adventures 2?

Unionhawk

This is the true final stage

@Chippies Yes, final stage

Did you just play light and dark and think that was it?

Chippies

eh, I played it so long ago, I don't remember much

like, I actually played it on dreamcast

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