The Bridge

Mana

05:17

PFFT

SaveMyPrincess.com got 11 upvotes?!

GnomeSlice

05:37

I hope not. That doesn't really convey the spirit of the site.

That's funny, I only see it having 2 upvotes...

LessPop_MoreFizz

11 up, 9 down

GnomeSlice

Ah, indeed.

badp

13:02

dammit @ardaxi I've been waiting for your reply for 50 seconds now!

SE is truly amazing.

Arda Xi

Site is acting up. SE is truly timing out.

badp

[status-norepro]

Thanks, checkmark coming when I'm back from gym. Later.

Arda Xi

Every SE site has always timed out every 10th request or so

badp

[status-norepro] ×2

Check your ISP.

Arda Xi

Nope. It happens only on SE sites and from multiple ISPs, accounts, browsers and computers.

badp

13:05

I guess I'm unusually lucky then. Oh well. Later.

badp

16:17

oh wow.

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Q: Webapps.stackexchange.com versus Nothingtoinstall.com

Related StackOverflow Blog post: Domain Names: The Wrong Question Nothing to Install is a fine name, probably one of the best in the network. Yet, it's confusing to have half the people talking about Webapps and half Nothing To Install. Considering... Naming (domain name selection) i...

from meta.webapps.stackexchange.com

alexanderpas

:5510 reading.

Arda Xi

Oh wow indeed.

Arda Xi

17:09

Yay. No more domain name fighting!

badp

:/

That's the worst possible end for the fight, though.

Arda Xi

Maybe, but the brand will become more known soon enough

However, then StackOverflow must be rebranded Programmers.SE

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alexanderpas

Collision detected!

alexanderpas

17:45

in Minecraft Talk on Gaming Chat, Oct 2 at 17:45, by alexanderpas

I feel lonely here!

badp

:5526 [status-bydesign]

alexanderpas

Are you sure? I even answered a question on NTI

badp

I'm replying on you being alone in Minecraft

alexanderpas

:5529 I know ;)

by design, until beta gets released. (SMP FTW)

badp

SingleMultiplayer?

alexanderpas

17:50

Suvival Multi Player

badp

I'm not sure I like the idea of survival multi player.

alexanderpas

Depends on implementation I guess...

But a couple of people working together survival on a protected sever... is fun!

(how many will die the first night?)

LessPop_MoreFizz

Notch just announced his millionth sale

which is... nuts.

alexanderpas

(and which mod will move this to minecraft talk?)

:5538 that's 10 million euro!

(1000000 / worldpopulation) * 100 = percentage of the world playing minecraft

Mana

uhm

what the heck? Webapps domain name got taken away?

badp

17:59

:5544 yes

alexanderpas

NTI redirects now to webapps.

badp

17

Q: Webapps.stackexchange.com versus Nothingtoinstall.com

Related StackOverflow Blog post: Domain Names: The Wrong Question Nothing to Install is a fine name, probably one of the best in the network. Yet, it's confusing to have half the people talking about Webapps and half Nothing To Install. Considering... Naming (domain name selection) i...

discussion domain-name

Mana

Yeah, I was reading that

but

alexanderpas

instead of webapps redirecting to NTI

Mana

weird.

:<

alexanderpas

18:01

I think they made the change way too soon, I guess if they left it at NTI for 90 days, everyone would be talking about NTI

GnomeSlice

Which name did they have first?

badp

NothingToInstall.com

alexanderpas

webapps.stackexchange.com during beta, NothingToInstall.com after release.

GnomeSlice

And they changed it back again?

alexanderpas

and now back to the "series" name.

GnomeSlice

18:04

The series being 'stack exchange'.

badp

:5558 meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/66443/#comment-159125 (I'm linking to the comment with "Previously"s)

alexanderpas

@JoelSpolsky I expect a blog post from you for furure reference!

badp

I except Joel telling me I need to take down the "backups" for copyright/trademark infringement more than anything :P

GnomeSlice

Well, I see their line of thinking. People already associate the SE name with a certain level of 'professionalism', if you will.

alexanderpas

so fitting in so many situations :D

GnomeSlice

18:07

Indeed.

alexanderpas

Stack Overflow Blog: Good Subjective, Bad Subjective

Posted by Robert Cartaino on September 29th, 2010

Stack Exchange is about questions with objective, factual answers. We’ve been crystal clear about this for as long as I can remember, even back to the earliest, pre-beta days of Stack Overflow. It’s right there in the standard Stack Exchange FAQ:

What kind of questions should I not ask here?

Avoid asking questions that are subjective, argumentative, or require extended discussion. This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered!

Thus, questions that are not answerable — discussions, debates, opinions — should be closed as subjective. It seems simple enough: Fact good; opinion and discussion bad. But why? …

regarding subjective.

# Great subjective questions inspire answers that explain “why” and “how”.
# Great subjective questions tend to have long, not short, answers.
# Great subjective questions have a constructive, fair, and impartial tone.
# Great subjective questions invite sharing experiences over opinions.
# Great subjective questions insist that opinion be backed up with facts and references.
# Great subjective questions are more than just mindless social fun.

Macha

18:36

10

A: Webapps.stackexchange.com versus Nothingtoinstall.com

The aim of the SE sites is of course to attract the experts on each topic to answer questions. As Yahoo Answers shows, the way to do this is not to have one gigantic brand. While Yahoo Answers doesn't limit its scope, there are many questions you simply cannot get answers to, because the people d...

My thoughts on the W.SE/NTI debate.

badp

18

A: Webapps.stackexchange.com versus Nothingtoinstall.com

I find this silly for a variety of reasons, and also mildly offensive (not unlike some other questions we saw at meta.Gaming.SE) given the amount of effort that communities are still pouring into getting good domain names in the justifiably tight restraints given. I'm going to assume those quest...

Macha

/me is tempted to make a goats.stackexchange site just for the abbreviation :P

badp

Since we're on topic.

alexanderpas

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Q: Do you think Nothing to Install should include a "This is Spam" or "Mark as Spam" button?

Nothing to Install is a good but I think spammers can easily take advantage of it because of the lack of "mark as spam" feature.

status-completed spam

migrated from nothingtoinstall.com

I love the backend clusterfucks!

alexanderpas

19:05

:5572 I played the trump card.

:5574 i.imgur.com/oN0JW.jpg

Macha

@alexanderpas Cool

badp

19:34

hah, Jeff came back at me saying "I want to split Wikipedia in 1,000k top level domains"

Tsk tsk tsk

Somebody forgot about Wiktionary.org, Wikinews.org, Wikiquote.org, Wikibooks.org, Wikispecies.org, Wikisource.org, Wikiversity.org

all part of wikimediafoundation.org

alexanderpas

keeps wiki in the name.

badp

Not to forget the dozen language-specific versions of each!

:5589 Let's have StackApps, StackGames, StackUnix, ...

not webapps.stackexchange.com

alexanderpas

language specific subdomains do not count.. from both sides.

badp

:5593 Because they're second level domains?

Besides, had you ever visited wikimediafoundation.org before today?

alexanderpas

:5595 actually, I have donated to them, several times already.

:5594 no, becaue they're another language, not engish (time for en.stackoverflow.com, fr.stackoverflow.com etc.)

badp

20:23

does "ludoers" make any sense to you?

ludoers.com, ludentes.com are available

from ludo, latin for "I play"

LessPop_MoreFizz

No, that makes no sense to me whatsoever until you point it out.

Oak

I'm guessing the domain name issue is still being discussed?

badp

@Oak, if we don't get a decent name we'll be stuck as gaming.stackexchange.com forever

that's worse than pauseforhelp.com tbh imho

Oak

Actually I'm unsure about my opinion on the domain name thing

Oak

I see advantages to being a subdomain as well

badp

20:31

'we play' → ludemus.com?

I think there's a ray of hope around the 'ludo' prefix/suffix

LessPop_MoreFizz

I don't think the SE subdomain is neccesarily a bad thing at all.

Oak

"ludemus" sounds cool

badp

Man, no one I talked to about gaming.stackexchange.com liked it

LessPop_MoreFizz

I /do/ think it needs to be accompanied by an overhaul of the root stackexchange.com as a better gateway into the network as a whole.

badp

it's really really a lot of typing for a site

LessPop_MoreFizz

20:33

as of now, it does a poor job of acting as a hub for visitors already familiar with the site, and a mediocre job at best of encouraging someone new to drill down.

balpha

just FYI, "Lude" is a (admittedly, not much used anymore) german word for "pimp"

badp

You know what's the problem?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:5614 the solution is to make the front stackexchange.com page work better and make it easy to nav to gaming from there.

badp

The guys who eventually say "this domain name is too horrible for us to consider" don't take part to the community self naming efforts

Oak

@badp I don't think many people type a site's name anymore. Maybe technical people do it more, but non-technical people don't. The main portal to our site is via users searching Google for a specific question. Having them see "stackexchange" in the URL can be beneficial once "stackexchange" gets a decent reputation as a brand. When I look for a programming issue on Google, seeing a URL inside stackoverflow.com makes me more likely to click that link. That is something I would like to achieve.

badp

20:34

It took Robert ~70 days to come back to us saying we didn't come up with anything good

LessPop_MoreFizz

:5616 It's also evocative of Quaaludes, which is... a very different audience.

badp

and they needed 94 days to decide nothingtoinstall.com was bad

They should've given that feedback at day 15 or so at latest

:5620 hit and run users are not people branding can appeal to

FallenAngelEyes

Evening all

LessPop_MoreFizz

:5625 Disagreed. If I'm searching for something and I see a domain that I've heard of above the fold, I'll click it first.

Oak

@badp it's not "hit and run", it's "hit and run"x15. Just look at my above (edited) sentence. One doesn't have to be a SO user, he just needs to be a programmer who came upon that site a few times to understand its value.

LessPop_MoreFizz

20:37

Whether that's Wikipedia, or a newspaper I'm familiar with, or .stackexchange, or whatever.

Oak

@LessPop precisely.

Oak

Now, having a separate domain also has advantages,

Oak

I'm just saying, so does being a subdomain.

badp

:5627 yes, but gaming.stackexchange.com is too long to be read in an eyeful

Besides, if we titled our site simply "Gaming", I don't think the people at gaming.com would enjoy that

Oak

"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/" is also long :)

Arda Xi

20:39

Someone ask for a quote for se.com

badp

as bad as gaming.com actually is.

Arda Xi

:5637 It's usable, but I doubt anyone will be able to pay the price.

FallenAngelEyes

Trying to catch up a little on backscroll here... so we're staying a subdomain or...?

Arda Xi

:5639 Nothingtoinstall.com is now a redirect to webapps.stackexchange.com

Oak

@Fallen for starters, I wouldn't be surprised if we'll be forced to remain on a subdomain until we come up with a better domain name.

badp

20:41

:5641 I'd rather stay in beta until we come up with a better domain name

I don't care if that means we go "live" in 2015

FallenAngelEyes

So webapps decided on a name and SE is taking it away? :o

Oak

@badp why? What's the benefit of a beta status?

badp

:5645 Not being released.

Not being final.

Oak

@badp I mean, I would rather like to have better rep threshold, better design, permanent moderators

badp

Not having a final name.

Oak

20:42

A domain name is just one part of the package

badp

Yeah, and if part of the package isn't ready, well, the package isn't ready

Arda Xi

They really shouldn't have just gone against the community and pulled the Nothing to Install name

Oak

It's just a missing name. Personally, I consider the [game-rec] conflict a much more severe problem, one which I would like to see settled before we go live. But I still don't think it's a reason to not going live. Being out of beta doesn't mean everything has to be settled - even for SE not everything is settled, and you can't say they are in beta.

Arda Xi

RE: the beta thing, gmail stayed in beta for like 5 years and it was became one of the most popular email providers in that time while carrying a beta badge

I don't think staying in beta is a bad thing

badp

I mean, gaming.com doesn't even exist

it's actually gaming.com.37636.fb.dbbsrv.com/

Oak

20:44

@Arda with that I agree, they should have discussed things with the community beforehand.

3

Oak

Or at least gave them an earlier warning

badp

:5659 AMEN

Arda Xi

Gaming.com is definitely for sale, but I'm afraid we can't exactly afford a domain like that.

Oak

Those are their sites to do with them as they please, but if they want the community to stick with them they should be a little more... nice to them, I suppose. I'm not saying it wasn't nice, just a bit rash.

Arda Xi

:5663 I think it's definitely not nice to them, judging by that meta question a huge majority disagrees.

Oak

20:47

Anyway @badp I disagree with the whole "beta" thing. I want to have the other things associated with going out of beta, even if we don't get the whole package. I don't see the need to wait until everything is tip-top. The most important thing - as measured by the area51 statistics - is size and strength of the community. Not how good our domain name is.

Oak

besides, if it gives us more time to come up with an awesome domain name...

badp

Then why can't we get a domain name. Any domain name.

Oak

and STILL get our nice design now

Oak

then why not?

Oak

... no community consensus? :)

badp

20:48

Tsk, that's not it

NothingToInstall.com had community consensus

Oak

Wait wait

badp

but the team decided after 94 days it was too bad to be usable

Oak

Don't confuse discussions

Arda Xi

Why don't we just buy the top-5 domains, make 5 logos and make 5 identical sites with just tiny differences in design.

badp

:5675 well, it's an example of community consensus being worth jack shit :)

or well, not being the full story

Oak

20:49

One discussion is about my desire to go out of beta even if we don't have a name yet, and remain a subdomain until we do. Another discussion is whether subdomains are preferrable to a regular domain.

badp

oh okay.

Oak

My bad as well

Oak

We should discuss one at a time :)

badp

I'd rather get a domain name with the release because it is very poor to change names while running

Arda Xi

I don't think it's a big deal, I mean, try accessing gmail.com

It redirects to mail.google.com

badp

20:50

see the whole TheDailyWTF → WorseThanFailure → TheDailyWorseThanFailure → TheDailyWTF ordeal.

Oak

@Arda @badp I agree with badp that although redirecting is technically very simple, it's not a great thing for a running site

Oak

PR-wise

Arda Xi

I just think the only people who're going to care is the people who look at it from our perspective.

badp

Well, we are those who answer the most.

We kind of count :P

Arda Xi

Yes, but to be honest, do we care what domain our site has?

Literally we.

We care about the reputation of the site, hence we care about what others want to see, not us.

badp

20:52

Yes, because I can't be really arsed to write gaming.stackexchange.com any time I want to promote the site to friends and co

Just try and write the darn whole shebang

because we'll sure have to should it be our final name

Arda Xi

Ah right, I see the site once I type g.

But then the redirection isn't a big deal.

On that note, why doesn't thatonelevel.com for example redirect to gaming.se?

Wait.. there's a nice domain! gaming.se

badp

Taken

Arda Xi

But not used.

badp

So what?

Gaming.com also isn't used

good luck getting it

Arda Xi

It wasn't serious anyway. Nobody is going to like gaming.se

:5707 With a big enough budget I'll have it in a few days.

badp

20:59

With a big enough budget we can buy the ICANN

Oak

@Arda are you suggesting buy the "se.com" domain name?

badp

:5711 Taken

Arda Xi

:5711 Well no. I was referring to gaming.se but I wasn't serious.

badp

The bad kind of taken too

Arda Xi

:5712 Taken doesn't mean it's off the table remember? We'd just have to ask for a quote.

badp

21:00

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

@Arda good luck with that

Arda Xi

:5717 se.com is just a rebranded google.se

badp

:5718 which means it's being used

Arda Xi

:5719 You don't know that

And it's a useless enough site.

Hmm, it's parked. The bad kind of parked.

badp

gaming.com,

Registrant:
Domain Admin
CBS Interactive, Inc.
235 Second Street
San Francisco CA 94105
US
[email protected] +1.4153442000 Fax: +1.4153442000

Arda Xi

se.com is owned by CentralNIC, who, when asked for a quote, responded

> Error: 'se' is too short. Domains must be at least three characters long

badp

21:03

then it's just disallowed :)

Arda Xi

Well no, just parked and not given away.

Which is the bad kind of parked

badp

CentralNIC doesn't sound like the company who'd park sites

okay, not an administrative agency. Sorry.

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:20

psychonauts is now 5bux on gog.com geez, they're as bad as Steam these days.

also Arcanum is 3bux.

Arda Xi

I never really did like GOG after they did the worst ever PR stunt since "the wow is now"

LessPop_MoreFizz

:5734 yeah. [polish joke goes here]

they got back a /lot/ of goodwill by getting Torment in the catalog though.

they'll actually start getting my money again if they put system shock up now.

I need my SHODAN fix.

Oak

See if you can guess what are the blurred-out games in my answer in gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/8355/…

Oak

:)

badp

StarCraft II

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:32

I see Starcraft 2, Dragon Age: Origins...

badp

Team Fortress 2: Meet The Spy

LessPop_MoreFizz

2 King's Bounty titles

between us that's 5 out of 6

is the last Civ 4?

Oak

NICE

LessPop_MoreFizz

or Civ 5 demo?

Oak

close

LessPop_MoreFizz

21:34

I see the Sid Mier's...

but cant make out the last portion

badp

Sid Meier's Civilization V (EN)

Oak

Well anyway, you were better than I thought

Oak

it's civ5 SDK

badp

Oh, right.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Aaah. I knew it was A Civilization Thing.

badp

21:36

It'd help if, yknow, I owned any of that :D

Oak

It's not too late!

Oak

;)

badp

For your eyefuck contest it is :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

I don't own any King's Bounty games!

Oak

There are demos available for those as well!

Oak

21:38

But yea nice going

Oak

We should make it into a contest

Oak

Everyone will publish their recently played games and we'll have to find out what the blurred names are

Oak

And the winner will get a cyber cookie!

badp

23:03

for the my sockpuppet got newtwitter before I did series, please add me to the counter

It does look very meh, at any rate.

I mean, yeah, having some context doesn't suck

sjohnston

huh. Playing minecraft. Turns out you don't want to have the bucket of lava selected when you right-click your workbench

badp

ruh roh.

sjohnston

unless you like your house filled with lava

LessPop_MoreFizz

23:33

:5774 Who doesn't?

This might be the greatest achievement of my life: http://goo.gl/wZ2r

Tweeted by botherer on October 2, 2010 at 11:06 PM

sjohnston

nice

FallenAngelEyes

23:48

I am so glad Minecraft doesn't worry about structural integrity

sjohnston

@FallenAngelEyes Speak for yourself. I'm sure my glass house filled with lava suspended 50 ft. in the air by a single wooden pillar is quite structurally sound.

FallenAngelEyes

Hehe

LessPop_MoreFizz

My current Minecraft project is a house with Lava walls.

FallenAngelEyes

Have you ever played Wurm Online?

if you dug a tunnel out for mining there, you'd have to make sure you had proper supports, or else it'd cave in

sjohnston

I would probably enjoy something like that, but in a very different way from minecraft

FallenAngelEyes

23:58

Wurm Online is crazy, Minecraft reminds me of it in some ways

You really can't play it alone though

You can, but it's not nearly as fun or as satisfying

I joined a goonrush for it back in '07 which was pretty epic

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