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12:02
75% off torchlight <_<
I wish that Steam had some sort of way to let you know you own a particular piece of DLC for the game already in the list overview on the main page for the game. Having to go to the page for every single DLC sucks.
[/firstworldproblems]
well I'm glad I'm only playing the demo of recettear
the game's kind of fun, but I'm 6k short of the first milestone with 2 game periods left
@badp that's okay
@FallenAngelEyes add all the DLC to your shopping cart
If you fail, you start over at the beginning with all your money/items/etc.
12:13
@badp that's not a problem, don't go reloading, go buy all the stuff ;)
don't reload and try again
WHY DOES THE GAME OVER SCREEN BLINK
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A: Recettear: Paying that second loan

FallenAngelEyesFirst, one very important aspect of the game that many people tend to overlook is the fact that is has a "looping" feature. There's no notification in the game at all that this exists, and personally, I found out completely by accident. When you get a "Game Over," the month restarts. However, you...

oh look, I didn't make a single save thorough the week
I R SMARTS
I also didn't try dungeoning.
@badp dungeoning = free stuff to sell. (at the cost of time)
12:17
@alexanderpas as long as you don't die there and end up only able to bring back 1 thing
@FallenAngelEyes that's why you save before you enter the dungeon ;)
I thought I had to like acquire good stuffs for him before I could start the dungeon
if you actively go looking for the chain combo, you're the strongest thing that's in the dungeon in those first dingeons. (exp waterfall ;) )
12:32
@alexanderpas also, thank you
@badp He starts off with stuffs.
@GraceNote Oh, I didn't realize.
sigh. The Italian mods for Steam Translation have gone basically completely missing, and the only active one isn't actually moderating, just translating. I have 700 pending strings and 300 left before getting capped...
speaking of which I probably should clear some flags on Gaming. Cough.
ARGH @ Steam's region-based pricing!
@FallenAngelEyes Can it be worse than Shogun's 73% markup on european customers?
Apparently Alice: Madness Returns is 50% off. In the US, the base price is $30, so now it's only $15 USD. It's still €50, so the price is €25. :(
12:37
Oh I see. It can be worse. Waaaaaaaaay worse.
Isn't the Euro:USD conversion >1?
(thus making the 50% off even worse off for the European price)
Yes. The markup here is +119%
@FallenAngelEyes If you buy from Steam, you get what you paid for. Now bend over for dear uncle Valve.
So, you have to pay more with money that is already paying more. Criminy.
@MartinSojka I think it's clear FAE isn't actually buying that one
12:39
@badp Definitely not in this case, argh
and Valve items don't have such ridicolous markups
@GraceNote Yeah, this happens a lot for the EU store >_<
Portal 2: €29.99 or $29.99 (+31%)
(sure, +30% still sucks)
(these prices before discounts, which maintain ratios)
That said, Italy counts as second world country wrt to Steam, so Portal 2 is €22.49 t/here (-2%)
Anyone managed to claim their first steam "free gift"?
It say to go to my gifts but I can't find anything but a couple of TF2 hats
12:42
@FallenAngelEyes Good, that's how the market is supposed to work.
HATS!
@FallenAngelEyes Clearly the only solution to €1 = $1 is moving to Italy!!
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Q: Where to get rid of Alto Wine?

IAdapter Possible Duplicate: Why is my Alto Wine a quest item? I have 12 of Alto Wine (0,5 weight each). i cannot throw it away, sell it or eat it. its a quest item. i cannot find quest that is related to it. any hint would be great. what quest is it related to? can i kill somebody to throw i...

I think Greece would count too, but...
@badp Somehow, I think that may cost me more than what I'd save on Steam prices... :P
12:45
@FallenAngelEyes Think long term!!
I know, I can have a sham marriage with @badp so he can get me into the country, I can go there and take advantage of the Steam sales, then cite "irreconcilable differences," have a tragic divorce, and go back to the NL with my new shinies.
You'll save enough money by the 2nd steam sale
@FallenAngelEyes See, now you're thinking with fraud.
@FallenAngelEyes Wouldn't using a proxy in Italy be a bit less of a hassle?
@badp Fraud, portals, what's the diff?
@MartinSojka But then I don't get to see Italy!
12:47
@MartinSojka It's not that easy, you also need to live in Italy
If your billing country doesn't match your country of origin of the connection, you need your account manually flagged by support
...this is apparently enabled on my account, and it doesn't really work too well
@badp Last I checked, Steam supported Paypal.
@MartinSojka It'll still block the purchase
when the flag does work though, I pay the lower Italian prices even from the NL =)
you can gift games across regions too...
On what grounds? You connect from Italy, Russia, or whatever country you like, and you pay by Paypal, which doesn't have a "billing country" attached.
@MartinSojka yes it does
12:49
@MartinSojka yes it does
all Paypal accounts have a country associated with them
I can't use my Paypal for Steam because it's US-based
Well, Paypal didn't really complain about NL vs IT
but still, Steam does ask for your billing details
before leaving I had put some funds on my steam wallet thinking that, hey, that's my money, Steam surely won't look too hard at countries and whatnot, while it might block paypal
I just checked, I can pick whatever country I want with Paypal, send some funds over, and pay with it.
turns out paypal never raised an eyebrow. Steam though...
... and then close the paypal account for all I care, and create a new one for the next purchase.
12:51
@MartinSojka Look, I'm talking from experience here. Steam will block your purchase if you try to buy from a different country than usual.
I guess that if you make a new account and then gift... or buy without logging in and then gift... but I'm not so sure about that.
@badp Clearly, Valve doesn't believe in people moving between countries.
@MartinSojka As I said, one email to steam support later, my account was cleared
(In the meantime I just bought what I needed to buy by typing in my current address here in the NL, although that doesn't work with the Steam wallet.)
Basically it looks like they're doing this to protect your account, rather than their ass
(or probably both, but they didn't really ask questions when I requested the unlock)
I didn't even use my email address to make the request, just my steam login
Gaaaah I have spent far more hours today than I wish to admit desperately trying (and failing) to get Bit.Trip Runner to work, I'm well into the "throw solutions at the wall and hope one of them works" stage
12:54
sure, I have Steam Guard, but somebody might've stolen my laptop and shipped it to another country
Never trust an US company to do the right thing when it comes to languages, names, birthdates or nationalities (I have two nationalities and two different names to go along with them, and it isn't a problem just for Valve ...).
or whatever weird concoction I could come up
@MartinSojka A SPAH!
THAT MARTIN IS A SPAH! shotgun to the face
it's US vs. Non-US mostly.
...It's doubly annoying since the game worked in the past, but now just crashes as soon as I try to open it.
See? He'll turn red any second now.
Any second now...
See? RED! Oh wait that's blood.
12:56
:)
@badp Hee
@Margaret That's pretty much the reaction you get from playing the game! You've now had the full Bit.Trip Runner experience!
He said "solutions", not "controllers"
@FallenAngelEyes bit trip runner is an exercise in keyboard macroing ;)
@FallenAngelEyes But I don't get achievements for "Reinstall hundreds of drivers and see that none of them have any effect" :(
12:58
@Margaret True :(
@alexanderpas Now that there's a DRM-free version of that, put it through Hourglass!
@margare
@Margaret there's a steam gift for that
@JohnoBoy For what?
(Speaking of Hourglass and TASes, I wonder if you knew there's a TAS of Cave Story. Well, I didn't until shortly anyway.)
I've stopped watching up to the point where I've left it, the Last Cave, so watch at your own peril.
for the achievement "Reinstall hundreds of drivers and see that none of them have any effect" :)
13:00
...with subtitles on
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Q: Will I lose my escape pod if I use it?

DavidYellI've now got a ship and it's TOTALLY AWESOME, ahem. It's got an escape pod that I can interact with. For some reason I'm not sure why you can interact with it, what it does or why it's intractable. If I use it, will it jetison me? Or will I lose the pod? Usually, I'd stick a quicksave, hit it a...

Feel my pain:
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Q: Bit.Trip Runner crashes immediately on boot

MargaretI'm having trouble with Bit.Trip Runner on my laptop, installed using Steam. I try to open the game, it tries to do its "initial install", then thinks for a moment with a black screen, before failing with the Windows error runner.exe has stopped working. (So useful!) I've asked a friend of min...

Hrm. Next attempt! New video drivers!
13:25
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Q: Bit.Trip Runner crashes immediately on boot

MargaretI'm having trouble with Bit.Trip Runner on my laptop, installed using Steam. I try to open the game, it tries to do its "initial install", then thinks for a moment with a black screen, before failing with the Windows error runner.exe has stopped working. (So useful!) I've asked a friend of min...

13:38
SUCCESS!
@Margaret What fixed it?
@Margaret Ah, I see your update. Good to hear!
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Q: Is it ok to kill guards?

IAdapterI do know I can kill them using bow and nobody will care if I don't get notice. Does it have any side effects? I do know that they "help" me when dragon attacks. but they are useless and I have to kill dragon myself. Is it ok to kill all the guards? will they re-spawn?

And on that note, I should go to bed ;)
Have a good day/night/whatever time it is for you, people! :D
@Margaret Good night
13:53
Good Morning wonderful people
God dammit, I hate our one boxing system.
IT is so gosh darn terrible.
@Dave McClelland My email is [email protected]
@murgatroid99 Check your email!
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Q: Why is my bounty hunter doing a tissue paper impersonation?

sarge_smithI'm playing a Powertech spec'd bounty hunter which is currently at level 13. My problem lies in the fact that whenever heroic enemies close, my guy drops immediately (3 or four hits max). And not heroics at the same level either, so far even four levels below me are downing me if they get close...

@DaveMcClelland Thanks
@murgatroid99 You're welcome! Thanks for helping me clean out my steam inventory!
14:15
-1
A: What tactics are best for killing Deathclaws?

petarFirst, have the holorifle and upgrade in the DLC Dead Money, or have a Gauss rifle, or anti-materiel rifle. Next, have ED-E upgrade, have him as a companion, and also be sure to have Raul as a companion and the Ranger Sequoia pistol in his inventory and ammo, or have Boone as a companion. With th...

Can someone who plays Fallout explain to me why this is gathering so many flags? I think it was because of the state of the answer before the edit but I want to make sure there's not something I'm missing before I say no more action is needed.
@badp Please tell me you didn't miss Monday's 1-day sale on Portal 2.
@Mana it's probably more that it's exactly the same as another answer
@JohnoBoy I somehow ended up with two Steam gifts... a 25% off coupon for all Valve games and a 50% off coupon on Rockstar games.
@Wipqozn How do they get Martin Freeman to look so short?
Rockstar makes exactly one game I want, so I'm waiting to see if it goes on sale before I use the coupon to knock it down even further.
14:18
@RonanForman Gandalf is a wizard, duh
@Mana It's more a list of equipment and followers, it doesn't actually say what you should do with them. It's close to a non-answer, but I didn't flag as it's more just a bad/incomplete answer.
@Fabian Ahh, I see.
14:31
Whoa, they don't block forums.steamgames.com from here (which is an alternate URL for SPUF)
1
Q: When to use Fury?

SimonBSI just got Skyrim today and I am confused by an ability. I am playing as a high elf mage and I have got the Fury skill but cannot figure out when I would use it. Can anyone explain to me when and why this spell is useful?

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Q: Different spawning on a radio beacon behaviors

vartecThere are two different behaviors when you spawn on radio beacon: you either spawn right on it, or you parachute from above it's position. What does that depend on?

Aeo
Aeo
14:54
You know it's going to be a long day when, in amongst refreshing your news feeds, you try to refresh the LIVE chat to see if there are any new messages...
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Q: Overloaded Bookshelf?

IsziIt seems I may have inadvertently overloaded a bookshelf in one of my houses, and now I can't open the bookshelf's inventory or read any of the books on it. Is this a well-known bug? Is there a good workaround for it?

ugh, it's morning again
1
Q: Rename [star-wars-old republic] → [swtor]?

David FullertonYesterday we renamed [star-wars-tor] to [star-wars-old-republic]. Well, it looks like it didn't work. When I search... "old republic social skills" → this question in the #2 (and #3) spot. "swtor social skills" → nothing in the first 5 pages of results Apparently Google's acronym expansio...

The last sentence sounds promising
> [...] and then start thinking about a better permanent solution for games with long titles.
15:10
@DavidFullerton: I fully support that tag change.
@Fabian Hoping so
That reminds me, I scanned my receipt yesterday, but forgot to email it to Ashley.
It helps that the Star Wars: The Old Republic website is swtor.com
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Q: Rename [star-wars-old republic] → [swtor]?

David FullertonYesterday we renamed [star-wars-tor] to [star-wars-old-republic]. Well, it looks like it didn't work. When I search... "old republic social skills" → this question in the #2 (and #3) spot. "swtor social skills" → nothing in the first 5 pages of results Apparently Google's acronym expansio...

2
Q: Are any of the eligible bachelorettes Bards?

IsziCall me odd, but I've come to enjoy the occasional encounters with female bards in certain bars around Skyrim. Something about their songs just seems to add a bit of coziness to the environment. I'm aware that you can be married in Skyrim (I already have an Amulet of Mara) but only to a certain...

Oh lord, Firefox 9 is out.
@Powerlord I haven't used Firefox in a while, do they still require you to download a brand new installer for every version? I seem to remember that being my experience with it the last time I used it.
It seems like they've gone to a more "chrome" model of releases, but at least with chrome I usually just have to restart the browser and it's magically patched up.
15:26
God forbid you use the same PC as someone else
if I have to read "Firefox could not install this update because someone else is using Firefox" again I'll go nuts
@IanPugsley Firefox could not install this update because someone else is using Firefox
enjoy crazy town!
@agent86 No
@agent86 The firefox devs have contracted a disease known as Chrome envy. It's often fatal (to your plugins).
@Mana no they don't require you to download a new installer?
@agent86 They do not require a new installer. You search for an update, it tells you an update is around, you click Apply Update, the update is applied.
15:32
@sjohnston they'll never make it to Oregon now :( got to stop and hunt some bears until the disease goes away.
@Mana gotcha.
@agent86 what part of the Firefox update is analogous to accidentally ricocheting a bullet off a cliff and killing yourself?
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Q: Which maps are different in the console version of the game?

agent86I'm primarily a console gamer, so I don't tend to follow the PC versions of games I plan to play on consoles. I know that there is a much lower limit to the number of players that can be in the same game on the console versions of BF3 versus the PC version. However, I've also been informed th...

1
Q: How much destruction can I cause to a building?

agent86When playing Battlefield 3, I've noticed that unlike many other shooters, I can actually damage buildings and other forms of cover. This is an interesting game mechanic, but I'm curious about its limits. Is there a maximum amount of damage that I can do to a given structure? Can I cause it to ...

2
Q: Which is better for healing, power or crit?

yx.When making a healer, is it better to focus on power or crit in early/mid/late games? Can someone provide some concrete examples with numbers on which is better in what situations?

@Lazers Oh, this question reminds me of another I need to ask.
Also, it figures that the question I was thinking of yesterday that I forgot is the one of the two that someone hadn't already asked.
16:02
flash is severely borked in this browser. just a fast slideshow
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Q: Do any unique items spawn in (upgraded) houses?

AlexYou can spend a lot of money upgrading your house(s) in Skyrim, which will eventually include things like food, potions and ingredients spawning in the house (one-off or respawning, I'm still not sure, but that's a different question!). Are there any unique items that are only obtainable from up...

0
Q: Laser-Designated Guided Missiles

GWLlosaIf I'm flying a helicopter, there is an unlock that allows me to Laser-Designate ("Paint a Target") to be fired on by guided missiles. I am able to paint many targets, such as enemy armor, enemy equipment, and even enemy aircraft (planes/helicopters). My gunner is equipped with an Air-To-Ground...

Hi.
I may have left starting that upload a bit too late, it says 6 hours.
I didn't think a 10 minute video would take that long.
Aeo
Aeo
16:12
@RonanForman When did you start it?
@Aeo Just now.
It's annoying there's no upload client I can run regardless of whether I'm logged in or not.
@Lazers Hm... title could be improved on that one...
Aeo
Aeo
@RonanForman Oh, wow... I thought it had been going for quite a while... For me, a 10 minute video at 720p, I hit upload on youtube before going to bed, and when I get home from work the following day, I usually have 1-2 hours left on the upload...
16:19
@FallenAngelEyes If I send you this as a zip file, can you upload it? Seeing as you have amazing upload speed?
@RonanForman to the Gaming youtube I assume?
@FallenAngelEyes Yup.
@RonanForman sure
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Q: How do you obtain a security key in Star Wars: The Old Republic?

sarge_smithI know the security key is optional but I can't seem to figure out how to get one... I tried the in-game vendor but it wouldn't let me even access his stuff. Also, once you have one, how onerous is moving computer? and do you have to have it every time you log in? tl:dr: security keys, how do t...

16:26
@Lazers ...is he serious?
If I could access the site, I could copy and paste the links from my Fleet Pass answer, since they link to the two places to get Security Keys.
there's a wedding ring in TF2 now? ooooohkay
@agent86 There is? I don't remember seeing it in items_game.txt after last week's update.
@Powerlord according to kotaku anyway. Not my #1 source for TF2 news, but they tend to at least be somewhat reliable.
@FallenAngelEyes Never mind, apparently 7zip is unable to compress MP4s.
@RonanForman well bah
16:32
I know! I should convert the dormant computer in my living room into a makeshift server!
@RonanForman Compressing an already compressed format tends to make them larger, not smaller.
(because you add overhead without actually shrinking anything)
@Powerlord It lost 450Kb.
and while not the dumbest thing I've ever said, that last statement must be right up there.
@Powerlord, this might be of interest as well, a tf2 economy analysis: kotaku.com/5869042/…
At work, can't read Kotaku links.
16:35
@Powerlord wants to see it now
Hmm, the client update from a few days ago did add some new textures
I have a "delayed" rss feed for stuff I can't read at work
100.00% downloading ./orangebox/tf/materials/backpack/player/items/all_class/something_special.vmt
100.00% downloading ./orangebox/tf/materials/backpack/player/items/all_class/something_special_large.vmt
@Powerlord that's it, it's called "something special for somebody special" if I recall from the article.
16:36
However, there are no in-game models.
> It's called the Something Special For Someone Special, and is available as a crafted item. It was added as part of a December 19 update to the game.
Wait, items_game.txt did update.
@Powerlord don't know if this site is also blocked, if you're curious about the economy analysis
> Manwaring examined the statistics kept (and made public) for TF2 and, long story short, finds that a community of 30,000 concurrent players each day in TF2 on Steam is injecting $1.54 million worth of "refined metal" into this virtual economy each week. Manwaring estimates that "we can be confident in a minimum figure of $52.7 million," as its valuation, "without even taking into account weapons bought in the store, promotional items and more. The true figure is probably double this."
@agent86 Since when can you craft keys from refined metal?
Oh weird, that's not a wearable, it's marked as a craft item.
16:41
What would be the easiest way for me to access a machine running ubuntu on my LAN without plugging in another monitor?
wait - craft keys?!?
> Here comes the kicker: the trading system and the store work in tandem. Items from the store have set prices, which means that the dropped items in the game can be traded against paid-for store items. This system allows us to work out what the market rate for the dropped weapons is.
@Ullallulloo I wasn't aware that this was possible either. I thought maybe it was just I was out of date. I thought you had to buy them or trade them. It's possible the kotaku guy got that part wrong
I spotted the flaw in their argument already
>The going rate for a key is between 2 and 2.5 refined metals
16:43
er, whoops, going to edit that for context in a sec
he's talking about the key's value, not the key's source
@DavidB The kotaku article doesn't seem to be, though.
Generally, the cost of the items in the store is considerably higher than their trade value.
@Powerlord that makes perfect sense
16:44
"Manwaring examined the statistics kept (and made public) for TF2 and, long story short, finds that a community of 30,000 concurrent players each day in TF2 on Steam is injecting $1.54 million worth of "refined metal" into this virtual economy each week. Refined metal is what creates a key."
@Ullallulloo And that would be completely wrong.
Keys are not, and never have been, craftable.
The value of the economy can (maybe) be estimated by the current key to metal exchange rate, but certainly not by items' (other than keys) store price. The Store Price keeps the price for certain high-value items in check, though.
meh, no free keys? oh well. goes back to sleep
user30
@Raven Are you attempting to star your own things? ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
@DavidB Wait a week and check again
Also, lunch time
@ThomasMcDonald And succeeding!
user30
16:47
@Raven Cheat.
shiftyeyes
user30
I call mod amuse.
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Q: What is the least damaging creature in Skyrim?

MaskedPlantSo there are a number of exploits that require an enemy nearby, but for the case of armor or blocking skills you need to be getting hit. So I was curious. Of all the creatures in Skyrim, that will attack you, what does the lease damage? Per hit or Per minute. I tagged this with xbox as I don't ...

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Q: How do I "free look" in jets and helicopters?

Bryson DudaI saw a video on Youtube (not sure if it's OK to link it since it has NSFW language) of a player who was able to look around while in a jet using cockpit view. What key/button do you use to do this? I'm personally interested in how to do this for Xbox 360, but it might be useful for others if a...

@GraceNote Your Rammus impersonations are improving.
16:49
@RavenDreamer Hmm
They did a Rammus spotlight.
That they did.
heh
("Wheatley's acceptance speech for the VGA award he didn't actually win...")
user30
Aye, saw that the other day. Chuckled.
The VGAs are terrible, I'm glad they didn't win.
Meh, it's still content.
16:52
The video was good though.
I didn't link to the context, just the video.
↑ what actually what got aired
They got me one more minute of Wheatley without having to actually watch a second of atrocity
From an engineering point of view, it's still a win.
in: 0
out: content
That's a point, but they could still be better.
They could be better, I still wouldn't watch them
Who the hell still watches television really
user30
16:57
@Ronan When are we next playing CtW?
been a good morning for BF3 activity, this is about the best I've seen in quite some time in terms of quantity of literate questions posted.
@ThomasMcDonald Apparently 1/1/12
user30
@Ronan Please tell me that's a joke
Ask @Wipqozn
user30
The idea of me being able to do anything on that day, let alone play a game, is quite frankly preposterous.
16:58
It's late evening to be honest
Yeah, I know, I probably wont be able to either.
plenty of time to sleep and absorb hangover.
user30
hmm.
user30
nope.
Time wipqozn won't have had
user30
16:59
hohohoho.
user30
silly canadian.
He'll be the one who will be strafing left and right aimlessly

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