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tzenes

01:42

stupid civ 5

and not being as good as FFH

sjohnston

Well, now I guess I'll have to try FFH

this is the first I've heard of it

(hangs n00b sign around neck)

Although I guess I've always felt that the Civ series has really been about small, incremental improvements. At $50 a pop. I don't buy the latest Civ expecting wild and sweeping changes.

LessPop_MoreFizz

:4103 Civ V's changes were pretty wild and sweeping tbqh

sjohnston

well, I haven't played a lot, but from what I've seen - no more stacks, city states, embarkation, and differently shaped tiles. But you're still building cities, building units, and working toward essentially the same victory conditions.

I feel like they seem bigger just because so little changed between other versions

tzenes

02:00

I just got done playing Civ 5

and those are tiny changes

City States are cool, but its must more civilizations (bad ones)

lack of stacking is more annoying than anything

hex you adapt to almost instantly

FFH brought in 3 amazing changes to Civ 4:

1) Religion

religion became its own tech tree

it had its own improvements and unique units

and was an alternative to just teching to guns, I felt like I had a choice

2) Magic

like religion magic was its own tech tree and an alternative to traditional tech

additionally, you had promotions which gave abilities to your units

while FFH had better promotions as a whole, abilities really make certain units precious

3) armageddon counter

this was really the biggest one, although it felt like the smallest

it completely cleaned up late game

FFH also leveraged these very well by making certain civilizations more attuned to different branches, etc

Like Gregori couldn't go religion but were master mages

there were also win conditions for magic/religion/nature (another alternative)

And you could summon other civilizations down certain pathes

sjohnston

that sounds like fun

tzenes

it really took the game to the next level

even just having multiple tech tree branches was a game changer

sjohnston

also, tzenes, I appreciate how even your chat responses come in long, neatly ordered lists

:)

tzenes

haha, I'd organize them better if I could, but markdown doesn't really support nice lists on here

mostly because of the character limit

btw, if you like SC2 livestream.com/yellowsnow

right now this stream is featuring some of the best play I've seen since Broodwars

game 1 was epic

marine + scv vs drone + 2 ling to establish a bunker

tzenes

02:32

Wow, double progged, drop + viking, I could never play this well

sjohnston

hehe, I caught the end of that

tzenes

I don't think there was much master asia could have done differently

sjohnston

I don't have enough experience to tell what strategies are extremely difficult or creative, but I do love watching starcraft

tzenes

that was difficult

sjohnston

I think one of the things Blizzard should have done better was support for built-in 'casting

tzenes

02:33

drops or even drops + viking isn't unusual, but that execution was perfect

sjohnston

didn't one of the Command and Conquor games have built-in casting support? I remember reading something about that

tzenes

there is some auto casting in SC2

tzenes

02:56

I'm so demoralized watching this

I'll never be as good as Masterasia and he's getting his ass handed to him

tzenes

03:15

every time he says turrents I crack up

LessPop_MoreFizz

Ain't no party like a robot party...

sjohnston

03:54

well, that was a fun series

Jin

05:41

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sick sick sick

Mana

08:48

glad to see the early hours of my day are showing great questions on the horizon

badp

:D

I hit 3k on MSO today

Might as well hit it on Gaming too.

Mana

Nice. I'm still aiming for 2k EXP on gaming.

FallenAngelEyes

Morning all

Mana

hey

FallenAngelEyes