The Bridge

tzenes

01:06

today has been very frusterating for me

C. Ross

01:28

sorry to hear that, want to vent?

tzenes

I hate perl

I suppose I should say I hate ActivePerl

You want a pipe? TOO BAD
How about a nonblocking read? TOO BAD
Basic IPC? TOO BAD

C. Ross

yikes

tzenes

I rewrote basic IPC by using file IO

C. Ross

isn't basic IPC just file IO?

I always do it in ksh with a fifo

tzenes

signals, sockets, pipes -> basic IPC

I don't consider File IO to be IPC because you're not talking to another process

you're talking to the FS

C. Ross

01:34

not necessarily talking to another process ... in most os's with a generalized io scheme, it shouldn't matter what you're talking to

tzenes

that's not necessarily true. For example, its perfectly reasonable for file IO to be blocking. Its not perfectly reasonable for sockets to be blocking.

what's more if I didn't write the code for a program, there is no way I can use file io to kill it or stop it

finally, its entirely possible that multiple processes would have different permissions in the FS, but still talk to eachother

C. Ross

you make good points

my initial conception of IPC was too narrow

Grace Note

02:00

...ah, gadhexitall

tzenes

?

Grace Note

I finally broke 2.5k. But it was for a vote on the 360 offline multiplayer question

tzenes

haha

wow, that's an old question

FallenAngelEyes

02:19

g'night GSE

Grace Note

G'nite, @Fallen

tzenes

02:35

night @fallen

badp

11:55

↑ buttersafe.com/2008/10/28/this-fire

FallenAngelEyes

the hell

Mana

the heeeeeeeeell

FallenAngelEyes

My Community feed on Steam is pretty much only full of "X achieved Sid Meier's Civ V: Y"

badp

12:10

↑ buttersafe.com/2007/07/03/no-parking

badp

12:22

badp

12:57

Out of curiosity, can somebody cast a flag?

I think I've found a bug :D

badp

13:24

SPAMMINATION WARNING

I mean, the questions are probably okay

FallenAngelEyes

Haha, wow

antony.trupe

seeding! :P

badp

13:59

Can @FallenAngelEyes flag this message please?

FallenAngelEyes

Eh?

badp

I have been told 10kers get to see flags on chat

except on betas, the rep threshold should be 2k :)

FallenAngelEyes

Flagged

I see a blue rectangle next to it

badp

Okay, 2kers can't see other's flags

FallenAngelEyes

Shall I unflag?

badp

14:03

Feel free

FallenAngelEyes

I imagine I see the rectangle cuz I flagged it myself, as I'm not 2k yet.

badp

Yeah, one can see flags he has posted

Actually, try flagging the lastest @gaming post

which would be chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2088#2088

FallenAngelEyes

Done

badp

Do you see a 2 near the flag icon?

Aww, you used to be able to.

FallenAngelEyes

2?

badp

14:05

yeah, refresh the page

it's still there.

FallenAngelEyes

Ah, yes

badp

is happy and unflags

FallenAngelEyes

I unflagged as well, though the 2 is still there :o

badp

14:30

It is indeed

I'm so tempted to reply, Both. Use context.

but that would be giving up in my fight to have the [fps] tag!

►

That's 80 rerecords per second of gameplay.

FallenAngelEyes

15:02

2000 rep \o/

badp

:2120 Grats, enjoy while it lasts.

FallenAngelEyes

Ah yeah, we'll be reset when we go live, right?

badp

No, I don't think rep gets reset

That'd be silly

However, the 2k barrier is cranked all the way to 10k in 13 days

LessPop_MoreFizz

1962 rep. So close, and yet so far.

FallenAngelEyes

Ah gotcha

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, not reset

god I am dying to play Civ V :[

Oak

15:42

Just bought it =D

Oak

I was looking at the answer here:

Oak

13

Q: What limits are there on the Civ 5 demo?

What is the civ V demo, how long is it and is the +4gig install worth it?

Oak

And I was about to downvote and comment "it's not the same map each time!"

Oak

And then I realized, it is the same map each time

Oak

I've been playing that demo like 5 or 6 times without noticing it

Oak

15:44

And then it's when I decided I probably need to buy it

FallenAngelEyes

hahaha

badp

16:55

I'm trying something evil, but I'll need a narrator

Mana

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Arda Xi

17:12

:2144 What font is that?

tzenes

@badp if you don't hate the sound of my voice I can narrate

badp

:2146 PF Tempesta Seven, the one @Jin wants to use

Arda Xi

It just doesn't seem to work at this size

badp

I don't care about pixel perfectness here...

besides the slide is at 108% zoom

I'm trying to make slides that take each 10 seconds tops to comment

Mana

17:37

Cool story, bro.

badp

There, 42 slides.

Mana

Geez.

badp

They're all like the above, man.

Mana

maaaaaaaaaaaan

it's still awesome, bro

thumbs up

Anyways I need to get going to debate class

Peace.

badp

Later

badp

18:00

Okay, I'm giving it a low-quality render with 10 seconds per slide so you guys can see it.

Oak

So, what's the best angry smiley?

badp

D:

Oak

That looks "shocked"

Oak

or disgusted, actually

Oak

But not angry...

badp

18:04

oh?

Oak

I'm pretty sure it needs to start with >:-

Oak

But can't find a suitable mouth

badp

I don't like noses in my emoticons

Oak

D:<

badp

what's the D for there?

Oak

18:07

mouth

Oak

it's an RTL one

badp

oh

how about >:|

Oak

though I'm actually not very fond of RTL ones

Oak

Anyway I just found out gog closure was a PR stunt, I need some way to convey my dismay

badp

►

↑ This video is unlisted. Who doesn't have the link can't see it.

Thoughts?

bbl dinner

badp

18:42

I see, it's just boring :)

Arda Xi

18:56

:2186 If this is SE 101, you should have "Thanks, you solved my problem!" as a bad answer

badp

:2187 What point?

Arda Xi

Answering questions

badp

Oh, but I haven't introducing voting yet :(

Indeed, I have precisely that in the voting section.

Arda Xi

Oh right, that would classify it as a bad answer as well

Isn't a complaint a comment?

badp

I was thinking complaints as in "What a jerk!"

Arda Xi

18:58

Depends, the term 'complaint' is quite broad

badp

What'd be narrower then?

Arda Xi

"This answer applies to Fallout 3 while the question is about Fallout 2" is a complaint, and a avalid comment

not sure

badp

I need to change the funny comment, it was appropriate for a previous revision that had "How do I kill Satan?" as the rad question

Arda Xi

Well, I completed the tutorial. Where's my rep bonus.

badp

Now you can start getting rep!

Oh wait you have already rep.

You cheater!!

Arda Xi

19:03

The tutorial wasn't released when I joined!

badp

It isn't released yet either

Arda Xi

I used to be the top user, a long long time ago

I can't believe @tzenes already has twice my rep

badp

I need a funny comment for "How do I kill the makron" now :/

Arda Xi

Have you tried praying to God?

tzenes

I can't believe I'm still top user

how as someone not overtaken me?

badp

19:05

The Makron isn't a daemon.

Arda Xi

:2211 You've almost twice the rep of the closest competitor

tzenes

Yeah, I think that's a comment on the site

I dont' think I'm Jon Skeet-esk

but rather I know a lot of about Starcraft 2

Arda Xi

That's pretty much what Jon Skeet-esque is

He knows a lot about C# (and Java)

Apreche

hello

Oak

@tzenes it's not just that, it's that your SC2 answers are very Skeet-ish

Oak

19:11

Long and detailed

Oak

Hello @Apreche

Oak

btw @tzenes, due to the low participation from other users regarding the SC2 tournament, I've been leaning more towards just sponsoring an existing event

badp

I'll ask this question later. important discussion.

Oak

HDH2 already got a sponsor, but I'm sure we could find something else :)

Oak

@Apreche it's the video he linked right here in chat, about an hour ago, just scroll up

Oak

19:14

@badp actually I think the premise is a bit flawed

Apreche

Just skimmed the video, right away I see that it has no screenshots

Apreche

if you wan to teach people how to use a site, they need to see the siet

badp

I'm waiting the final design to go online to take screenshots obviously.

Apreche

as it is now, it's just a blog post that you are forced to read very slowly.

Apreche

with nice music

badp

19:15

The music is a placeholder, it'll be narrated by... somebody

Apreche

i am all calm and soothed now

Apreche

ahhh

badp

The pace of the slides will go with the narrator, also.

Oak

@badp in my opinion, it's not that hard to understand that it's a Q&A site and that "ask a question" and "answer a question" are not the same as "start a discussion" and "respond". The people who are not using the site properly are probably those that are impatient, just browsing around and seeing something they want to comment on. I have a hard time believing you can get them to watch a 4-minute youtube video.

Apreche

I suggest just doing a screencast, try screenr.com

Oak

19:17

I might be wrong, of course, just sayin'

badp

3 minute, when proper pacing is implemented. I hope.

That doesn't really change much I guess, though.

Oak

Yea...

Oak

I mean it's not something bad, that video will surely not hurt anything,

Oak

I'm just unsure about its impact

FallenAngelEyes

I always preferred just browsing around a site myself rather than taking one of those video tours, but that's me

Oak

19:19

Then again, don't let that discourage you :) if we link it whenever an unregistered user is about to ask a question or post an answer, it might help

Oak

There's already a FAQ link for first-time visitors, though

badp

Well, if it's an answer to a non existing problem I guess it's pointless

Oak

Just my opinion :)

Apreche

I think that more than teaching people to use the site, we just need to get people to know the site exists.

badp

I saw the 10 min video introduction to the ubuntu SE received a mildly positive reaction, we'll see how it works for them I guess

Apreche

19:21

Most people are still going to gamefaqs or whatever.

FallenAngelEyes

We should probably put something about game rec in the FAQ at some point

badp

I guess there's no alternative to giving better information than gamefaqs'.

Oak

@Fallen we need to reach a decision first :)

badp

Even though gamefaqs and gaming.se really are different beasts.

Apreche

a good idea is to find threads in gamefaqs forum that are asking questions that are answered here, and paste a link.

badp

19:22

GameFAQs answer (or attempt to answer) all questions, we only answer questions people really do have.

FallenAngelEyes

@Oak That doesn't seem to be our current strength. See: domain name. >_>

Oak

Oh yea tell me about it :(

Oak

I think Robert should just make a managerial* decision and pick a name he likes

Oak

*(is that how you say it?)

FallenAngelEyes

Speaking of which, I haven't checked the thread in a couple hours goes look

Arda Xi

19:23

can we advertise on GameFAQs?

Oak

administrative decision?

badp

*executive

Oak

oh right thank you

FallenAngelEyes

Usually "executive" in that case

Arda Xi

:2264 Yeah, you do

> man·a·ge·ri·al/ˌmanəˈji(ə)rēəl/
Adjective: Relating to management or managers, esp. of a company or similar organization: "managerial skills"

Oak

19:24

Yea but there's a difference between a dictionary definition and everyday use

Oak

And not being a native speaker, I'm unsure about that everyday use

Arda Xi

Fair enough

FallenAngelEyes

Wow, dungeonmap.com shot up there quick

Oak

Yea

Oak

It's okay I guess

Oak

19:27

I think gaming owls was decent, if a bit bland

tzenes

:2223 I think that's a good idea

Arda Xi

:2276 Definitely better than boss level imo

FallenAngelEyes

It doesn't flow too nicely when you say it

tzenes

the bottom line is we don't know a lot about how to get top players

sjohnston

What I liked about gaming owls was that it has some sort of personality. Most of the other options are just random words that somehow relate to games

apparently we're not very good at branding

FallenAngelEyes

19:28

If we were great at PR, we probably wouldn't sit around playing games all day...

Oak

@sjohnston agreed. We can then refer to ourselves as "owls" or rather "owlerz", and we can use an owl-themed design, etc

Apreche

if you're giong to go with the owl theme

Apreche

call it gamewise

Apreche

since owls are wise

Apreche

actually putting owl in the name and having owls is a little corny

sjohnston

19:29

I don't particularly care about owls, but having something like that, something you can build a theme around, is really what we need

FallenAngelEyes

@sjohnston Agreed. We just can't seem to get there. :(

sjohnston

maybe I'll try to find some sites that capture that spirit tonight and see if I can get inspired.

do we have a hard deadline? If this thing goes live in two weeks, we must have to get things nailed down pretty quick

FallenAngelEyes

ASAP, because Jin needs to finalize site design

Oak

I think that deadline is pretty hard, yes. 13 more days

Oak

Oh yes and Jin needs to design!

Oak

19:40

btw @tzenes looking at the list of the most common Google queries that were used to reach our site, it's unbelievable what percentage sc2 holds there. You shouldn't be surprised you're x2 the next highest rep user, you should be surprised you're not x3 :)

sjohnston

Civ V seems to be taking the site by storm lately, probably a lot of rep floating out there for whoever wants to be the Tzenes of Civilization :)

badp

Civ5 was seeded...

Oak

Good, I need some answers in this game

Oak

Just a few more hours until it gets unlocked on steam...

Oak

btw, this is amusing:

Oak

19:45

al

@toeatandstuff

851 tweets, 4.6k followers, following 4 users

Oak

It's the twitter account of the twitter kitchen

sjohnston

ha

Oak

I guess they take themselves seriously

Arda Xi

New Twitter makes that background look very bad

tzenes

21:24

:2299 Its not so much surprising as disappointing. It would be nice if someone could bring that level of questions to another game (MW2, WoW, etc)

Arda Xi

21:38

:2311 SC2 is both inherently complex and over-hyped, that makes a lot of good questions

sjohnston

21:49

Yeah, for a lot of games, there aren't questions that justify a two-page answer

Also, I guess I feel it's better for the community if we have a group of people who can answer well on a given topic instead of a superstar for each game. Even if that means fewer mega-answers.

badp

:2311 The question didn't seem particularly amazing. The answers were, though.

tzenes

22:03

:2315 I think that kind of refutes the assumption that SC2 makes for good questions. The level of depth I brought to those answers really could be brought to other games

badp

:2316 Not all of them, though.

tzenes

sure, but the fact that you don't really see it in any others is indicative of a problem

Arda Xi

Well, DF also has a lot of potential for good answers if I recall correctly

badp

Essay answers just aren't my style.

badp

22:42

Okay, I'm rendering version 4 of the tutorial

Grace Note

Eve, anyone

badp

Evening

Grace Note

'lo, @badp

I'm not sure what to think about my recent +130

Oak

Hi Grace :)

Grace Note

Hi @Oak!

badp

22:49

:2330 ?

FallenAngelEyes

Heya @Grace

Grace Note

@badp I got 13 votes for saying that p2p is a context-dependent acronym

This is more than all 3 of my Etrian Odyssey answers combined.

Including acceptance bonuses

badp

Behold the power of easy questions!

Grace Note

Hihi, @Fallen~

It's more like it's a more accessible question

badp

I got a +210 for telling Portal is a nice game.

21

A: Is Portal Worth Getting?

About how many hours of gameplay does it offer? I would say a dozen. Is there a point to playing it after winning? Yes. The mechanics are interesting and different enough that there is (limited) replay value. Is there a "freestyle" mode or other way to just mess arou...

Grace Note

22:51

The score of the EO questions is inversely proportional to the amount of content in the answer

LessPop_MoreFizz

:2341 You should change your accepted answer on this minecraft question btw. I are wrong.

5

A: What persists after a respawn in Minecraft Alpha?

After you die, the contents of your inventory is lost. Items placed in the world, such as in chests are safe and you can rest easy knowing they will not despawn unless the chest is destroyed (i.e. by Fire, or Creeper explosion). It is for this reason among others, that one of the first tasks sug...

badp

switches to Nicolaya's answer, then

cmon youtube do your magic!

Grace Note

I like my posts that have more content, they're more fun to write.

badp

►

Final iteration for today. Feedback welcome.

Grace Note

Waarh, 3 minutes is so long

LessPop_MoreFizz

22:53

:2350 Problem the first: Your 'Three Minute Tutorial' is a 3:30 video.

3

FallenAngelEyes

Lies, it's 3 minutes 3... what Lesspop said

badp

:2352 Narration would switch through slides faster than that I believe.

Grace Note

See, I was so intimidated by the length of 3 minutes that I didn't bother to see how long the actual video was!

badp

For now I just tell each slide to linger for four seconds.

:2351 The video that kinda inspired me to do this was done for ubuntu's SE. It's 10 mins.

FallenAngelEyes

I think Grace is illustrating what would likely be our core audience's attention span >_>

which I agree with

Grace Note

22:55

Isn't Ubuntu for people who have free time to waste in the first place?

2

badp

Gaming is for busy people, then?

LessPop_MoreFizz

:2360 Aren't video games?

Grace Note

Playing isn't a waste of time, natch

badp

neither is Ubuntu :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

:2364 And here is where we disagree.

FallenAngelEyes

22:56

lol

Grace Note

I know, I know. Linux is kinda cool. I've been meaning to stash Ubuntu on my old machine (namely, not the Grace Note)

badp

Yeah, not the bestest gaming OS ever.

@Fallen there's something inherently right with an OS that lets you browse the web and do stuff as it upgrades itself to its next version (or installs to disk)

Grace Note

But in between wandering the Netheruniverse, stealing trees, and high speed recoil movement, I just haven't had the time for installation

badp

(Firefox possibly being an exception, use Chromium instead :P)

FallenAngelEyes

I'll take your word for it. I don't know much about linux OS's.

badp

23:00

:2365 Installing and upgrading software from repositories is the main reason why I installed Ubuntu at all.

FallenAngelEyes

...Okay? I wasn't the one saying it was a waste of time, y'know, that was @Lesspop :P

badp

Besides 3mins and a half can be a life's best 210 seconds when they're narrated by none other than Grace!

:2374 Sorry, edited what I could :)

FallenAngelEyes

I am highly neutral on the matter!

badp

Revision 5 completely replaces "rad" with "nice"

FallenAngelEyes

@badp: I think for me it will be hard to judge it until you can add screenshots, which you can't do til Jin's done with the mockup, which he can't do til we pick a name...

LessPop_MoreFizz

23:05

:2378 And here I was about to compliment you on your use of 'Rad' because it is the best word.

badp

:2380 I know

Grace Note

@Fallen Can I trade my Yoshi Doll for a name, maybe?

badp

but I've been told it's very specific

LessPop_MoreFizz

Word removed, compliment withdrawn.

badp

> It makes you sound like those 1990 vids for internet surfer moms

> [Rad is good] but only for tard skateboarders

Grace Note

23:06

I would've said "It makes you sound like Welbog"

badp

> Rad is just outdated!

:2387 That's exactly where I thought I learned about the word.

LessPop_MoreFizz

See, I use Rad precisely because it's dated.

I enjoy being anachronistic.

badp

Since it's very close to 'bad', I enjoyed playing with the word.

Bad/Rad are just pixels a way from each other in that font.

Grace Note

Why aren't you radp?

FallenAngelEyes

...Welbog? O_o

badp

23:07

Too late now to change my "brand" :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

Thing is though, pulling off 'Rad' with a straight face does take a certain tone which most people who try fail. IMO.

Grace Note

@Fallen Welbog uses Rad a lot. Like how Chrono Trigger voting scripts will attract TOTALLY RAD programmers to Stack Overflow.

@Fallen And Welbog is a user of Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Overflow. Cool developer person.

FallenAngelEyes

Ah okay

badp

Thing is, define:rad doesn't bring the definition I hoped it would bring.

Okay, if Gaming.SE thinks rad is rad enough, there shalt be more rad!

Actually we might as well put it into the domain name...

Grace Note

GameRad! Because it totally couldn't be confused for GamerAd!

FallenAngelEyes

23:11

lol

badp

:2397 That's a problem for the narrator. I'm sure Grace or tzenes can handle that :P

Okay, rev5 now completely does away with rad synonyms and just says 'rad'

Okay, if length is an issue where can I cut?

Without the rep part the vid is 2:25 long

Grace Note

You could get that by entering 185 into a microwave.

badp

Did you mean, 145?

tzenes

:2406 is it ok if I "handle it" by s/rad/good/g

Grace Note

No, 185

Microwave uses 2 digits for seconds, 2 digits for minutes

So entering 185 is "1 minute and 85 seconds"

This is why when I heat up my noodles I always enter 360 instead of 4 minutes. Because it's the same.

badp

23:20

They don't choke on that input?

Grace Note

Nope!

Speaking of which, I've got to finish working on dinner. See all of you later!

badp

Well, mine doesn't allow numeric input anyway.

Later.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Mine works the same as @grace's Putting in 999 will cook something for 10 minutes and 39 seconds.

[This thread is amazing.] (forums.somethingawful.com/…) So much dumb.

tzenes

:2422 ditto

LessPop_MoreFizz

It is too late to edit this message.

Nooooooooooo.

I r bad at messing about with chat syntax it seems.

tzenes

23:31

ooo, interesting idea

LessPop_MoreFizz

I am sure it would be very enlightening.

badp

►

I don't particuarly enjoy his commentary, but it's a quite extended gameplay video of this game

"bullet hell" arkanoid for the wii played to the rhythm of 8 bit music

(where arkanoid is not pictured above)

tzenes

:2432 obviously not specifically that, but one where they light a fire inside of concrete supported by steal using only jet engine gas

LessPop_MoreFizz

what in the name of...

tzenes

that response is brilliant

LessPop_MoreFizz

23:42

It certainly adds an aura of class to the thread.

tzenes

Its a completely ridiculous story for many reasons and for the response to have latched on to a pokemon reference in the entire thing is hilarious

LessPop_MoreFizz

23:57

"I think you're just jealous that you'll never be as successful or important as Hitler was."

And I do believe I have just Godwin'd Gaming.SE.

Grace Note

Actually, someone beat you to it on the Q&A site, but that comment was deleted mercilessly by yours truly.

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