The Bridge

user15026

00:03

@James I vote creepy

Is inciting users of a site to downvote a specific person punishable?

I wonder if it is, considering the amount of circlejerking I see in this chat room time to time like "Man Retro is a troll, just downvote all of his questions" and I guess people are judging a question's qualities based on asker intent.

user15026

@r3tr0t3hPeNgU1NoFd00m Serial downvoting is.

two bugs

I don't think people should be downvoting his legitimate FO4 questions, but his copy/paste ending question with spoiler tags designed to give away the character's identity without directly saying it are absolutely downvote worthy.

GodEmperorDune

@AshleyNunn serial downvoting is also reversed by the end of day script

user15026

@GodEmperorDune Yep :)

Arperum

00:11

@r3tr0t3hPeNgU1NoFd00m I think in this specific case people didn't like your questions about the endings of a highly anticipated game a couple hours after release. They looked a lot like repfarming/trolling people by showing them spoilers though the lazers feed.

two bugs

@Arperum If you look at 3 recent releases, he's posted pretty much the exact same question for all of them

Arperum

And since this isn't the first time this happened with a question of you, they might have reacted a bit annoyed.

Yuuki

@James I kinda think it's cute.

two bugs

The MGSV one is particularly bad because it's stuff that is explained directly in game in the scenes he is talking about in the very question

Arperum

Some people really don't like spoilers. Which is pretty normal.

Lazers 2.0

00:13

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Q: Can a werewolf from another faction bite you?

My friend has joined me in ESO and has become a werewolf, however he's in the Dominion whereas I'm in the Pact so there's a conflict of territories. He offered to bite me to allow me to become a werewolf but we're not sure how we'll be able to if he can't enter Pact territory. Is there a way arou...

the-elder-scrolls-online

two bugs

That is, at best, a "poorly researched question", and completely worthy of a downvote

Frank

@twobugs And is rather bad faith, really.

There's no longer even an attempt at good faith going on. It's trolling, plain and simple.

If we get yet another question from him the day of about the ending, I'm seriously going to consider meta-ing it up. We assume good faith, but there's very little good faith going on, not with that track record.

two bugs

I agree. The Fallout 4 one is particularly bad. Sure, the character is particular is in a spoiler tag, but he seemingly intentionally included enough info to identify the character outside of the tags.

Frank

@twobugs He runs the line of "following the rules" as closely as possible.

I'm quite sure it's done intentionally, so there's no longer even the assumption of good faith.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Halo 5 trying to get my Guest added to game to play coop camp

Im trying to play coop campaign wit my friend in my room signed him in as guest now how do i add him to fire team or whatever so me and him can play campaign coop , coop is so we both can play obviously , but im just playing by my self every time , cant figure out how to get him in the campaih...

halo-5-guardians

GodEmperorDune

00:22

retro is pretty good at getting the bridge all riled up

Frank

His M.SE post makes it rather clear that the SE staff know about it, and want nothing to do with it.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank which m.se post?

Frank

@GodEmperorDune This one

two bugs

I don't have any personal interactions with him so I can't say for sure. What I can say, though, is that his behavior is really reminiscent of people I've known who were obsessed with this "I'm not touching you!" mentality.

This is a problem with codified rules: you give people who are going to act in bad faith a clear line that they can get as close to as possible without crossing and they'll be fine.

Frank

@twobugs That said, there have been instances of mods banning users running the lines, as it's clearly done with foreknowledge and intent.

two bugs

00:26

True. It's why we have moderators who can think, rather than just be rulebots.

Frank

Exactly.

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs and the one cyborg queen of the internet to rule them all, of course

Frank

They're not just unthinking ban smashers.

user15026

I'd hope not.

GodEmperorDune

just crushing all the helpless users beneath diamond encrusted feet, laughing maniacally the whole time

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

00:33

I find it funny Frank thinks bringing up a point 1 year ago makes his argument any better.

user15026

@GodEmperorDune That would make walking difficult I think

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

@GodEmperorDune You should try wiping out Fenway Park with a modded baseball bat. Quite fun to do in fallout

Frank

@AshleyNunn I dunno; if your feet were encrusted kinda like shoes, it'd probably work out alright.

GodEmperorDune

@AshleyNunn the diamond soles even out the rough terrain of user's faces

user15026

@Frank Possibly.

user15026

00:34

I am mostly imagining the various ways I'd fall on my face.

Frank

@r3tr0t3hPeNgU1NoFd00m It shows you have a rather long track record of bad faith. I'm somewhat surprised you haven't been hit with a year ban yet.

user15026

Okay, stop.

two bugs

Er, sorry.

user15026

This is devolving into personal attack territory, and that's not awesome.

two bugs

I'll remove my comment, as I don't think it helped.

GodEmperorDune

00:36

@AshleyNunn and now i have the cartoon sound effect of that stuck in my head

two bugs

If we have a disagreement, then the proper course of action would be to take the discussion to meta?

badp

Frank

@twobugs If you have a disagreement with a specific person, try to work it out with them in chat, first.

badp

@AshleyNunn 1/€/$

user15026

@badp ???

GodEmperorDune

00:38

@Frank and don't forget to cc @Sterno for the daily dose of drama

Frank

@GodEmperorDune Meh.

Yuuki

GodEmperorDune

@badp time travelling refrances!

Frank

If @Sterno wants drama, he can be here when it happens.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank its past his bedtime though

Frank

00:39

@GodEmperorDune Then he misses out.

Private Pansy

@badp Seems like it should be the inverse - dollars per euro, right?

badp

@PrivatePansy it's almost 2am

GodEmperorDune

@badp it's almost ma2

user15026

@Frank I'd just rather there not be drama, if I had to choose :P

Frank

@AshleyNunn People are people.

Drama just sort of...happens. :P

user15026

00:41

@Frank I....know?

Rapitor

so apparently Fallout 4 has been really struggling on consoles and plays just fine on PC. usually it's the other way around.

user15026

And while interpersonal conflict is a thing that happens in any community, there is a place for constructive discourse, and not really one for people just attacking others.

Rapitor

gg bethesda?

GodEmperorDune

@AshleyNunn well after the cyberpocalpyse you will get to choose!

user15026

Regardless of intent.

user15026

00:42

@GodEmperorDune It's hard to wait!

badp

@Rapitor at least that makes some sort of sense

two bugs

@Frank True. I'm just thinking if we want to make a larger question about some of these things like spoilers

badp

How do you even make a game that runs slower on computers that have several times the hardware capabilities than a console?

GodEmperorDune

@twobugs we had the spoiler meta discussion a few weeks ago i thought

badp

The architecture is the same

two bugs

00:43

Well I missed it

GodEmperorDune

@badp ask wbgames

badp

@GodEmperorDune somehow Cod Bloops 3 is the same

Frank

@twobugs Simple. Does question make sense in what's not in spoilers? Leave it alone.

If the question doesn't make sense, unspoil until it does.

Disregard user feelings about being spoiled.

GodEmperorDune

@Frank that's highly subjective and difficult to apply

user15026

@GodEmperorDune There is that.

two bugs

00:44

I guess I disagree with that ruling, then

Frank

@GodEmperorDune Even simpler: Don't spoil anything.

At the end of the day, we're here to ask and answer questions.

two bugs

So like... don't ask questions about the ending of a story based game that isn't even out yet in most of the world?

I know that's kind of a crazy thing to suggest

Frank

We don't do ourselves a favor by beating around the bush; we make the question harder to read and understand.

badp

@twobugs wat? why?

Yuuki

You monster.

badp

00:46

The game's out. It's fair game.

Frank

@twobugs Not sure we can really enforce that.

Yuuki

@badp No, it's not?

two bugs

Yeah, I'm not saying we codify it

badp

Is it out in Japan?

Yuuki

Nope.

GodEmperorDune

00:46

@Frank yeah, some games have month long delays between regions

Yuuki

It's also not out in the US.

badp

uh...

Frank

If someone's played it to the end, I don't see anything wrong with asking about the ending, provided it's something that's actually confusing the asker.

@GodEmperorDune Which is unfortunate.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki USA should determine everything

user58869

when i saw that question that people are fussing about, i felt a little sinking feeling in my stomach at the thought of finding something out about the game that i would otherwise have found out from playing it, but i'm over it now

Frank

00:47

This is the internet, though; people are going to get spoiled. The only way not to is to live under a rock.

two bugs

@badp I don't know about this particular situation, but the previous questions were all things that you would necessarily known by playing the game and watching the scenes in question

badp

If the game ain't out in any region -- but didn't someone before mention something about using VPNs to unlock it? -- then it isn't out

two bugs

i.e. reaching the end of Harry Potter and saying "Wait... he's a freakin' wizard?"

Frank

@twobugs That's obviously asked in bad faith.

Yuuki

@badp So if I manage to break into Bioware headquarters and get my hands on the unreleased Mass Effect game, I can ask questions about it?

GodEmperorDune

00:48

@twobugs more like getting to the end and asking "what's this horcrux thing?"

user15026

@badp I heard people were doing VPNs to unlock, but that might just be like apocrypha and nonsense

badp

@AshleyNunn then it ain't out

two bugs

It was out in only Australia IIRC, and it was in fact possible to use a VPN to fool steam into unlocking

GodEmperorDune

> What are all the romance options in Mass Effect Andromeda?

badp

that said if you had a question about, say, Neptunia V-II, you'd get to ask it today because the game came out months ago in JP, even if won't release in the US until Februarish in the US

Yuuki

00:49

@GodEmperorDune If anything, the proper question would've been "what's this hallows thing?"

badp

(unless the question is specific to the dub?)

Yuuki

That thing came out of nowhere.

badp

I mean, we didn't wait till last year before we allowed Mother 3 questions, right?

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

@badp It is out. It's out in Australia.

badp

wait, did Mother 3 actually ever officially release at all in English locales?

Frank

00:50

@badp No, I'd say if you can play it, you can ask about it.

...As I just re-read what you wrote.

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

@Frank You mean, as long as you can play it legally.

Yuuki

Yes, it managed to fit quite nicely into the lore, explaining why Dumbledore preferred to be Headmaster and not Minister and all, but the Deathly Hallows really weren't foreshadowed at all. Unless I'm mistaken and am a horrible reader.

two bugs

@badp No, it didn't

badp

I think I'm getting confused by the Earthbound rerelease thing

Frank

We agree. It doesn't have to be out in English for it to be askable.

user15026

00:51

@Yuuki No idea, I gave up before that

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

Otherwise it's a "I managed to torrent it, now I can ask questions about it even though the release is days away"

Frank

@r3tr0t3hPeNgU1NoFd00m We assume good faith.

I mean, we're leaving your questions open.

Yuuki

The closest thing I remember was something in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them about Invisibility Cloaks not lasting very long.

And that's a spin-off that really shouldn't be considered foreshadowing for the last book.

Frank

Unless you straight up TELL us you're pirating it, we're probably going to assume you acquired it legally, even a couple days early.

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

@Frank Well usually there are 'symptoms' so to speak

Such as perhaps asking it 1 week in advance despite the publisher not allowing preloading or something

Unionhawk

00:53

1 week in advance is unreleased

Day of release anywhere in the world is released

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

@Unionhawk Day before release is possible too, no?

two bugs

Some places break street dates on games. Sometimes packages are delivered early.

Unionhawk

No?

Frank

@Unionhawk If places have broken street date, I don't think we should be punishing people by deleting their questions.

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

I mean, some publishers do allow players to play games early

depending on preorder status

Lazers 2.0

00:54

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Q: Can I kill everyone in Fallout 4?

Basically, what I'm asking is if any NPCs are marked 'essential', meaning they can't be killed whatsoever (and attacking them will simply incapacitate them for a short time whereupon they will get up and pretend nothing has happened). Is it possible for me to kill everyone in Fallout 4? Or are t...

fallout-4

Unionhawk

@Frank Meh?

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

There have been some cases where games have been released that way. Main release was done somewhere 1-2 days before launch, where the full release was for everyone else

user15026

@Frank That gets tricky though

Frank

@AshleyNunn Yeah, it does.

user15026

Because people will just go "broken street date" and then we gotta go "okay", but that's....so easily exploited

Frank

00:55

We have to use judgement on whether what someone is asking is based on the game.

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

@AshleyNunn But how often has that been brought up? In any question at all yet?

Frank

We can't just let everything go, "Hey, I'm playing, so here's my...<utterly obvious and brain dead question>"

Unionhawk

I mean, Fallout 4 is released somewhere in the world, so particular case, meh

user15026

@r3tr0t3hPeNgU1NoFd00m For this game, it hasn't, but it has before.

user15026

@Unionhawk Yeah pretty much

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

00:56

Well poor Japan

I don't think anyone's going to like a wait until December for Fallout 4

badp

hey localization takes time. One doesn't turn Fallout 4 in an anime overnight.

Unionhawk

Someone probably already has

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

@badp S-Sole Survivor-San?

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk notice me yao-gui san!

r3tr0 t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

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