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I have just realized there is a new menu item called "Starcraft II Public Test" which I think has been installed with one of the latest updates. What is this? I'm not very comfortable with launching executables whose function I don't know.

starcraft-2

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Q: How can I set up an AssaultCube server?

Everything I find when Googling it references a file called "bin_unix". A search of my system indicates I don't have it. Is there any other way to set a server for AssaultCube? BTW, I'm running Ubuntu 10.04.

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Q: Is there any point in collecting puzzle pieces in Donkey Kong Country Returns?

This is very similar to this question, except mine is about puzzle pieces (although I'm curious for a more satisfying answer to that question as well). Does anyone know if there are rewards (other than getting image gallery or music gallery stuff updated) for collecting all the puzzle pieces? Al...

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Q: Privacy on XBox Live

So, my boss is awesome. He is super nice and a really good boss to boot. Today we happened to be discussing XBox gaming and found that we currently like the same game (Black Ops). So we did what any normal gamers would do and exchanged gamer tags. Now, I am looking forward to playing online...

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Q: Is there a peaceful solution to Primm?

This may sound odd coming from the psychopath who slaughtered everyone in Fallout 3 and was concerned about whether or not cannibalism counted as food (not to mention what would happen if I engaged in it openly), but I've just restarted New Vegas with the intent of playing a character who never k...

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Q: When to push and when to build?

At the beginning of the game I've decided it's important to spread out thinly, avoid enemy contact, and claim as many resource points as possible. Yes? But then it's less clear to me when is the best time to engage the enemy? If I counter attack as soon as they start taking my resources I seem...

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LessPop_MoreFizz

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05:15

I've watched this mario video like 7 times

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Q: Do the cars in Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit have different levels of health and strength?

There is already a somewhat similar and broader question, but I'm wondering if there is specifically a difference within each series of cars of the health and strength levels of each car. Are there some cars that can take more damage in a Hot Pursuit race or give out more damage when crashing int...

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Q: Spawn Quillmane in EQ1

How do you get Quillmane to spawn in EQ1?

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Q: Are there any tips for improving driving skills in racing games using an analog stick controller?

I enjoy console racing games, but not really enough to invest in a steering wheel controller and pedals. That being said, when I'm using the analog sticks to steer, I don't ever feel like I can hold the stick at just the right position to make a smooth and accurate turn and/or drift. Rather, i f...

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Q: Starcraft2: how to beat medium AI in 5 minutes?

I would like to get 'beat medium AI in 5 minutes' achievement. Usually I am playing as terran. Is there special SMALL (TINY) map for that? What is strategy for that? Should I build 1st barrack on opponents base? Should I play some special race against another special? Any thoughts are welcome. ...

starcraft-2 achievements

Raven Dreamer

I haven't played WoW in years, but sometimes, I still get linked a patchnote that just makes me scratch my head; "To address a phasing conflict, players cannot accept "Somethin' For The Boys" until they've completed all three of the preceding quests, including "They Took Me Pants!""

tzenes

want to help me close this: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1491

LessPop_MoreFizz

@RavenDreamer wowhead.com/quest=26091/…

Oak

07:51

@LessPop you WILL bypass my rep

You can see it on the rep-per-day stats

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Oak Yeah, I've been rising pretty steadily for a while now. :)

Oak

data.stackexchange.com/gaming/s/84/…

My only goal now is to reach 10k 3rd, but I'm not even sure that will happen :)

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Q: 90s pc game. cant think of name

I remember playing a game that you had to make it through a building and would run into aliens or plants.a computer named VAL gave you advice on where to go. There were potions as well. And I remember you could open doors that lead you into an abyss you could sometimes jump over.

identify-this-game

badp

So, somebody mind giving me a summary of what's the thinking behind closing the poll?

Before those four close votes of yours expire and anybody gets "disenfranchised"

tzenes

@badp I think that the policy of removing the highest rate pro-game-rec option was a really bad move. I agree that that option isn't viable (though I don't think any game-rec is), but I don't think my opinion (or Bruce's) should take away from the 66 people who did think it was viable.

Ivo Flipse

15 hours ago, by tzenes

@Oak so we can now ignore answers, but not the whole poll? Then I have a simple solution: let's just ignore every answer and decide the poll hasn't decided anything

tzenes

@Ivo I think I was being flippant there

Ivo Flipse

flippant? nevermind I googled it

badp

08:36

@tzenes It's obvious it was going to attract the most votes, because it's the policy that changes nothing

tzenes

dictionary.reference.com/browse/flippant+

Ivo Flipse

that the problem discussing with you @tzenes, you never know whether you're just in it for the fun or dead serious about it

tzenes

@Ivo sorry, I'll try to be clearer

badp

What makes you think that, if we re-ran the poll again in whatever other way, somebody else won't try and push the non-option again?

tzenes

@badp regardless throwing away those people's votes now is tantamount to rigging the vote

Tim Stone

08:37

@badp It's the "Everyone wins and I don't have to take sides but I can feel like I contributed" option, heh.

Ivo Flipse

oh but I don't mind, but it's confusing for others who take some of your discussions too seriously ;)

badp

@tzenes Except it's not, because you can cast multiple votes.

tzenes

@badp I think that is the implicit flaw in putting this issue to an open vote

@badp unless they didn't

Ivo Flipse

woehoe for solving problems by committee

badp

@tzenes then they can still vote for the option they prefer.

tzenes

08:38

since there is no way to tell I'd like to err on the side of not screwing people over

Ivo Flipse

we should have gotten in Sarah Palin

badp

@tzenes yeah, do you have any alternative in mind for a closed vote?

tzenes

chat has the unfortunate problem of spawning multiple threads simultaneously

badp

Oak tried to get a "real thing" poll from the devs and got no answer in two months, IIRC

we can't host the poll offsite due to abuse concerns...

tzenes

I think a poll is the wrong decision, but even if we did want to go for a poll we could have one with prepopulated answers

badp

08:40

Well, you're mentioning something with a closed number of answers -- possibly just two, "Yes, always" and "No, never."

tzenes

or we could specifically stipulate at the beginning that status quo isn't an option

@badp essentially

badp

Sounds more like a poll than what we're running now

tzenes

well, I think @Oak sort of kicked off the entire vote without considering all the problems

but that's kind of irrelevant

Ivo Flipse

he did try to poll those problems :P

badp

eh, we had a week to come up with problems

tzenes

08:41

and I did mention specifically this problem

people who don't understand the issue voting with a lack of understanding

badp

I didn't like the way the poll was made tbh, but couldn't come up with an alternative myself

Ivo Flipse

I'll keep saying it: Jeff needs to come from Mount Olympus and smack game-rec down to Hades

badp

At the end of the day, even if it stinks, we need to decide something; it doesn't have to be set in stone or anything

LessPop_MoreFizz

@badp the main problem with the poll is that there should have been selected answers pre-populated

tzenes

I don't think the impetus is more important than screwing people over

LessPop_MoreFizz

08:43

either by collaborating with a few community members to have them ready to go when the poll went up, or by Oak posting all the valid options, whatever.

tzenes

will we have to wait if we make a new poll? yes, but its better than how messed up this one got

LessPop_MoreFizz

point is, every good choice should have been there to be voted on from day one.

Instead, there was no clear pro-game rec option for a solid 2 days after the poll went up.

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: of the StackExchange™ HeartGaming AskQuestion™ mothership, charging its lazers for tzenes' 20k reputation mark. With so little consensus there's no consensus about measuring consensus anymore.

LessPop_MoreFizz

which caused that wishy washy nonsense to get upvoted as the only pro-rec option availiable

and then it snowballed because it was the pro-rec choice highest on the list.

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: of the StackExchange™ HeartGaming AskQuestion™ mothership, charging its lazers for tzenes' 20k reputation mark. With so little consensus there's no consensus about measuring consensus anymore. (Consensus consensus consensus, and there's no consensus on whether or not we ever had any consensus on consensus-measuring measures anyway..)

room topic changed to The Bridge: of the StackExchange™ HeartGaming AskQuestion™ mothership, charging its lazers for tzenes' 20k reputation mark. Now with even LESS consensus.

tzenes

08:46

I guess I am getting close to 20k

badp

→ There's no consensus on whether or not this one message was moved to Sandbox or not.

tzenes

I hadn't thought about it

badp

Sorry, didn't mean to litter.

tzenes

I just keep thinking about how great it'll be when Raven passes me

badp

@LessPop_MoreFizz I would've written it, but couldn't come up with good arguments after all this time.

tzenes

08:51

that's because game-rec is very evil and should die

now do you think we can close this disaster of a poll, and get on with trying to make the site a better place?

Ivo Flipse

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was that made in the GTA engine @tzenes?

tzenes

no clue

just don't ask if that question is appropriate on gaming.se

the world might blow up

badp

@alexanderpas thanks

@IvoFlipse GameDev.

Ivo Flipse

I'm not seriously going to ask it

it just looks like GTA IV

Tim Stone

09:13

Hahah

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Q: Is there an alternative to Heavy Rain for Xbox 360?

I have an Xbox 360 and I saw Heavy Rain which was only released for PS3. The game rocks and it's a pity that it has no Xbox 360 version. So is there an alternative to Heavy Rain for Xbox 360?

xbox-360 game-rec heavy-rain

> i would advise Alan Wake as well Since i have no idea what game rec did to africa.

tzenes

@TimStone Touché Salesman

Tim Stone

Heheh ;)

Oak

09:45

@tzenes regarding your ping, my main desire was to get everything sorted out - and like badp said, over a week no alternative was raised and no-one downvoted the question to indicate disapproval - not even you. In hindsight, perhaps the idea to convene in advance and make a list of viable options would have been right, but no-one proposed it at the time.

Even your hesitation was more about what people would vote up than what suggestions would appear.

I do not see the current status of the poll as a complete disaster - like Grace Note said, a difference could be made between judging a proposal on its applicability and judging it according to long-term site health.

But nevertheless I disagree with Grace saying this is similar to removing a joke proposal, since this one was real and highly-upvoted for serious reasons

Frankly, I'm not sure what's the worst thing to do - removing the specific proposal or removing the whole poll .

badp

@Oak Can't you reset its vote count and lock the answer maybe, so it can't be voted on?

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Q: The dog falled from heaven

I just finished Deathspank (Orphan of Justice) trying to complete all possible quests; I counted about 111 at the end. SPOILER But now I have a question. South to Lord's Castle there is a farm and there you can found a strange dog. Ima said that one day it falled from the sky. I didn't find an...

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Grace Note

10:55

@Oak The point of my example there is that we have absolutely no devices to differentiate any sort of reasons. Serious or joke, the point was to establish a person who proposes an idea in good intentions, and notices mid-vote that something is wrong with the policy itself. In the hypothetical and the real, it ended up being the most popular but honestly my motive had been trying to get it taken down before it got a lot of votes.

@Oak I explicitly named this suggestion as an issue in your thread, and even wrote a huge argument on chat about it for you to read in the mod room. You didn't even respond to it until after the poll started. So don't say there was no one pointing out that there were possibly problematic policies.

Grace Note

11:18

@Oak In a general scenario and assuming that it was done early enough in the process, removing a specific policy would be much the lesser evil, if not oft times a good idea. In our scenario, I am inclined to agree that a poll reset is probably the better option. It extends the end of this debacle, but I feel that stings a lot less than leaving a mulling thought that the process was rigged.

Oak

@Grace didn't mean to upset you, man :)

Moreover, my first reaction to you telling Bruce "you can withdraw the policy if you want to" was "no he cannot, there a tons of votes behind the policy, it's no longer his to remove"

So I was about to write something like that

And then I just carefully re-read all the comment thread there

... and I accepted your modification.

Grace Note

You haven't upset me, @Oak.

I might be fuming a bit of heat right now but that's because I'm upset about someone else, eheh

Oak

:)

I'm actually super-mega-happy at life in general

badp

trends softly

Ivo Flipse

Oh the drama, it's nice to life in a real-life soap!

Oak

11:25

(she said "yes" yesterday)

7

Grace Note

OOh, congratulations!

Oak

So I read what you said in the mod room, I guess I sort of had a belief the poll will sort itself up

I'm a big believer in community-managed sites

Ivo Flipse

Yes, I dislike you?

badp

@Oak The problem is that the reasons why that answer can't be chosen are tl;dr, which makes them challenging to convey to your user base :(

Oak

Perhaps the best thing is to stop the poll, wait until we get actually-elected moderators, and then have them re-run it in some better way, in which they have more participation

e.g. by pre-filtering available policies

badp

11:28

Yay let's start over again

What's this, our third or fourth attempt? :P

Oak

@badp I'm open for better solutions, I really am

Grace Note

It would be our second, @badp

Technically, we never ran a vote on any of the other horrendouses that I wrote

Ivo Flipse

I expect you do be our benevolent dictators and if the SO-team disagrees they should take action, if they do not you decide the course the site should take

Grace Note

I think pre-filtering the available policies would be a satisfactory course of action, @Oak.

badp

@IvoFlipse isn't it faster to have the SO team just agree on something before they disagree on what we manage to agree

Oak

11:29

yo @Aub

Ivo Flipse

duhuh, but if you announce it they have time to disagree

Aubergine

Hey @Oak

badp

@IvoFlipse ...after the fact, as it was with NothingToInstall.com? :P

Ivo Flipse

she said yes to what @Oak?

Grace Note

As long as we have some method to remove policies in which the policy itself is problematic. That's all I want. I want whoever comes in our stead, and the community as a whole, to have a policy which they can cleanly enforce.

Oak

11:30

Oh that was terrible

Grace Note

Hey, @Aubergine

Ivo Flipse

well they changed it to NTI themselves, so that's actually not completely fair

Aubergine

'Sup @GraceNote

badp

@IvoFlipse well, you know, it's kinda like this situation

Oak

@Aub so when did you go to sleep?

:)

badp

11:31

you announce we're going to things this way

then start spamming for it

then start actually doing it

Aubergine

Not overly late. I am a bug squashing prodigy!

badp

and some time into it we decide it's time for a hasty backpedaling

Ivo Flipse

in the end @badp, it might be nasty, but at least we get a policy

this is taking us nowhere

badp

which nets us loss in credibility

Ivo Flipse

people will forget we ever had this discussion eventually

Oak

11:32

@badp agree there. We have a banner and all. Stopping a poll is horrible

badp

my answer does have a clear majority (if we exclude that other) <_<

Ivo Flipse

only @tzenes will bring it up occasionally

Grace Note

I'm still gunning for the allow-all to get some steam behind it

badp

I wonder, can we take a dump of the bad answer to someplace safe, with comments and all, then delete it from the poll?

I'm against straight deleting but... it's just noise right now.

(except for the votes. sigh.)

But again, only votes on that answer would be wasted, as multiple upvotes are allowed.

Oh, and for the future, isn't three weeks a bit too much?

Even moderator elections are faster :P

Oak

Didn't see any particular reason to make it short, and didn't want to draw it over christmas, either

badp

11:38

@Oak uh, you wanted to make it actually longer than that?

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A: List of questions for candidates in 2010 moderator election

Question for Robin Chapman: If elected as moderator, will you continue hitting return at the end of each line of your comments?

Oak

@badp I thought about anything between 1 week and 1 month.

badp

@Oak yeah, 1wk sounds good.

Oak

btw @Grace @tzenes @badp I guess a solution that will not include canceling the poll is letting it finish, enforce the chosen policy (which will probably be badp's), and bring this up again once actual mods are elected - which should be soonish seeing that it already started in math. This way we don't break our "word" towards the users - everything took place as planned - and the new moderators have the mandate to change it.

(as even mentioned in the question there - mods can change)

The downside is that we run double polls in close proximity,

and that the new poll starts with a different status-quo

and that the whole thing is ugly

But at least there's no decision taken back

Grace Note

That sounds plausible.

badp

running a game-rec poll right after the elections again would be practically taking the decision back

I'd rather have another discussion about something different

I'm sure @ArdaXi will come up with something to complain about.

Oak

11:53

@badp but it would be "legit"

Grace Note

Technically, we'd only have the poll if there was significant enough unrest that our successors think it's a good idea

badp

you're so assuming you and your successor aren't the same set...

Grace Note

It's a reasonable assumption.

badp

Grand Master Elections Plan: trick Oak Grace and Juan to get in the elections, then pull everyone else out at the last second. BAM! Instant democracy. We don't even have to waste time in "elections" (peh)

Ivo Flipse

we shouldn't have to waste time on it anyway

if we disagree with their policy, we know where to complain

Aubergine

12:02

Seeing how I'm not such an active meta-er, what's going on mod-wise? I get the impression that things are afoot :P

Oak

Check out math.stackexchange.com

Official elections are underway there

Grace Note

@Aubergine Mod-wise, we're going to have elections in the near future.

The Stack Overflow team is waiting for the Math elections to finish completely, see how the process went, and then start elections on other sites.

Oak

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Exchange Moderator Elections Begin

Posted by Jeff Atwood on December 2nd, 2010

Back in July, we appointed Moderators Pro Tempore for the nascent Stack Exchange 2.0 communities. Leadership is critical to any community’s success, and the bootstrapping of a community often requires those leaders to be appointed before the community is large enough or organized enough to elect them itself.

Our fellow moderators Pro Tempore have been instrumental in keeping their communities tidy and on track through the public beta and beyond. Now that the earliest Stack Exchange 2.0 sites have been fully public for over 60 days, we believe at least some of the communities are ready to take the last important step towards self governance — by electing their own moderators. As we’ve said from the very first days of the Stack Overflow beta: …

Aubergine

And do we have candidates, or is it not that time yet?

Grace Note

Candidates will self nominate themselves as the first phase of the process

badp

12:03

@Aubergine In the first week wanna-be mods step up to the plate, in the second week (if reqd.) the top 10 wanna-bes are chosen, in the third week you pick three candidates and complicated maths get you the three winners of the diamond-o-matic.

Oak

Read the blog, all there - candidates are nominating themselves in the first phase

Aubergine

Right-o.

badp

(If you can be more concise than that, you get a cookie :P)

Aubergine

On on an entirely different subject, are all you fine individuals aware of the new humble indie bundle?

Err, on=and

One of them at least

badp

@Aubergine Obviously.

PS: you can edit messages.

Aubergine

12:05

How rad

Grace Note

Week 1: Users self-nominate. Week 2: Vote on top 10 nominees. Week 3: Vote your top 3 and resolve as the moderators.

badp

@GraceNote have a cookie. You lost some humour and the "if reqd." but still it fits in the starred bar, which is a big plus.

Aubergine

Week 4: Profit

Grace Note

I will get one from downstairs~

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Q: Rescue a survivor from the desert.

One of our town is stuck in the desert, one spot below town [0,-1]. he has eaten, he has drunk, he is hung over and has used a drug. he also has lost an eye (auwch.) we have no coffee, no dice and no cards. How can we save him? (i think we have one anebolic steroids in the bank, can he use 2 d...

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Q: How useful is the search tower really?

There's someone in my town who is REALLY in love with the search tower. This is my second town with him and he always wants to build it ASAP and then upgrade it every chance he gets. I understand that getting resources is important, but is it really effective early on to pump up the search towe...

die2nite

Oak

14:34

@tzenes for someone so anti-game-rec, you do seem to occasionally enjoy helping people by providing recommendations :) I say, give in to your inner desires and embrace them! Join ussssssssssssss

badp

@Oak ducks and covers

phew, I thought you were going to esplode

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Q: Any way to dig a navigable canal (Minecraft Alpha)?

I'm trying to make something like the Panama Canal - there's a piece of land, less than a hundred blocks wide, that if completely removed, would connect two larger oceans. So I did the obvious, crafted up a dozen shovels, and started clearing. The first problem - three tiny lakes in the region, w...

minecraft

Oak

15:04

I wonder if the primary election phase will be as useless to us as it was for math

badp

15:15

@Oak If everything goes well the voting will also be! :P

Oak

Why, you think there would only be 3 nominees? I'm sure there will be more

For example, I know alexanderpas is interested

What about you?

badp

3 hours ago, by badp

Grand Master Elections Plan: trick Oak Grace and Juan to get in the elections, then pull everyone else out at the last second. BAM! Instant democracy. We don't even have to waste time in "elections" (peh)

Oak

The more people participate, the better. I think. More options

btw, anyone here has a strong SQL-fu?

badp

I agree that talking about it publicly may undermine the conspiracy, but Wikileaks suggests that secrecy is moot anyway

Oak

I tried to write a query on our data but my SQL skills are terrible.

badp

15:20

if there are problems I blame @Brant for coming up with the devious plan. I've already photoshopped all the relevant emails.

Brant

It's true.

I planned everything. MUHAHAHA

Oak

Weee 17:30 (OK, almost) I'm off home

Brant

The blame lies entirely with me.

Tim Stone

@Oak I have moderate SQL-fu? :P

Oak

I'm trying to get the sum of reputation of all the users who are NOT in the top X% of users (sorted by rep)

e.g. the sum of reputation with X=0 will be the sum of reputation for all users

but with X = 5 it will be the sum of reputation by all users who do NOT belong to the top 5% of users

badp

15:29

I'm not sure you can do that easily...

Brant

Trying to figure out how long the tail is?

badp

maybe TOP allows formulas though

Tim Stone

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/s/312/…

badp

SELECT Reputation FROM Users SORT ASC BY Reputation TOP (SORT Count(*) FROM Users)*100/95 or something :P

I've never tried doing this stuff for real sorry

stackoverflow.com :P

Brant

nor should you, ever. SQL is evil.

Tim Stone

15:31

That does rank and percentile for SO, but you could easily adapt it to only show a certain range by adding to the WHERE clause. Let my brain wake up a bit and I can modify the query for you if you'd like.

badp

*SELECT

Oak

15:53

@Brant precisely, this is about the long tail.

@Tim I tried starting with that query, along with a few others

but, honestly, I got nowhere

Tim Stone

Yeah, I might almost have it, one sec. :)

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Q: Can a Tactical Insertion be destroyed by another player?

I'm intrigued by Tactical Insertion. It seems it could be very fun in some game types. I've never really seen it used though, in game. Can other players see your Tactical Insertion? If so can they destroy it?

call-of-duty-black-ops equipment

Tim Stone

@Oak I think this should do what you wanted

Oak

Looks good

Looks very good, thanks :)

Please save it?

Tim Stone

Will do, and no problem :)

Oak

16:12

I bow to your SQL-fu prowess :)

Now I'm off home!

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Q: This site looks confused

The "parent" site has this in right at the top before any questions: VOTE NOW: What should be done with questions asking for game recommendations? But when you click on the link, you go to a question that has this at the bottom of the question: Closed as subjective and argumentative S...

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Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Overflow 2010 Analytics

Posted by Jeff Atwood on December 15th, 2010

As we approach the end of the year, I thought I’d roll up some statistics that people occasionally ask about. These numbers are from Google Analytics for the period of January 1, 2010 to December 14, 2010.

Compared to last year’s numbers, the trend here is basic globalization 101 — more and more traffic from outside the USA over time, where the US dropped from 36% to just 30% of the total in a single year. The top 10 countries only account for 66% of traffic overall, down from 71% last year. …

Tim Stone

@Oak Now saved here

badp

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Q: What good is a decoy grenade in hardcore matches? Do they fool anything else like sentry guns?

If you use the decoy grenade in a hardcore match, what happens? Since the players don't have a hud, it seems like a decoy grenade would be useless. Also do they fool sentry guns or Cobra helicopters? Do they show up on Huey or attack helicopter hud?

call-of-duty-black-ops equipment

badp

Now, I'm going to have to ask that people vote to reopen our current poll: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1491

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16:18

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Q: How to delete gaming account

Is there a way to permanently delete a gaming stack exchange account?

support

Brant

hoo boy

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Q: Does the suppressor (silencer) attachment do anything for your in hardcore matches?

Does the suppressor (silencer) attachment do anything for your in hardcore matches? I understand that it lessens the flash and sound of the gun, but compared to core games it seems a bit less useful. For a while I thought I noticed that when you were killed by a gun with a silencer it didn't tel...

call-of-duty-black-ops equipment

0

Q: How can I make a boatlock in Minecraft?

How can I navigate a boat to a higher level in Minecraft? Is there some form of a lock that I could use? Maybe something using doors and watersource... Inspired by this question: Any way to dig a navigable canal (Minecraft Alpha)?

minecraft

Oak

yo @Grace

badp

@Oak at least please consider removing the banner from the site until we get that thing reopened.

Oak

Yup, either that or forceful reopen

And frankly I feel like a re-open is more appropriate

Brant

16:30

I don't even care what happens anymore.

Oak

What defeatism! Relax, it's a single almost-meaningless decision on a single website, don't take it too hard.

badp

a single almost-meaningless decision that we've been discussing for months

Brant

That's exactly what I mean. This doesn't matter nearly enough to justify the amount of energy that has been put into the debate over the months.

badp

apparently some people don't care too much about solving it once and for all and, the perfectionists they are, refuse to reach consensus without a score for style written in flying colours

Brant

@Oak Oh, and congratulations!

badp

16:33

In this case the score for style is "EPIC FAIL" :|

Oak

thanks :)

badp

@Oak tsk. tree-huggers. :P

grats btw

Tim Stone

Oh, congratulations indeed! :)

Oak

See? Some things in life are more important :)

badp

@Oak Go figure, singletons.

Feeds

16:39

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Q: Hack 'n' slay co-op game (PS3)

Is there a playstation 3 hack 'n' slay game that supports online co-op mode? I'm thinking of a game like God of War.

ps3 online-multiplayer co-op

Mana

argh

so much drama

had I known there would have been so much drama I wouldn't have pitched in a close vote

although I guess that's a stupid reason not to pitch one in to begin with.

Oak

What I would like to avoid is any fracturing of the community

And I think closing the question does just that

badp

but then again you don't feel like force reopening it

Oak

On the other hand forcefully reopening it will also do that

Mana

We closed the question specifically to prevent any fracturing of the community

badp

16:43

we have well enough 3k users

Oak

I disagree. I accept Grace's opinion that policies can be withdrawn without nullifying the entire poll.

badp

Especially when you can and do vote multiple entries.

Mana

I think it's possible, but I still don't think it's being fair to the 60 users who threw in their votes towards that policy.

badp

@Mana They voted to change nothing. "Change nothing" was never an option.

If nothing else their opinion deserves to be ignored.

← grumpy.

Mana

They voted to change nothing because we let change nothing become an option!

Oak

16:46

@Mana like I said to Grace - at first, when he removed such a highly-upvoted policy suggestion, I was very unhappy with it. I then carefully re-read the comments on that, and finally accepted that action.

Other users might have done the same.

badp

@Mana Irrelevant. They voted to change nothing because they don't care and just want to ask those questions, oblivious to all the problems they make, or because they don't know why we have problems with them.

Oak

I think it was a good option. I agree that it's very hard to enforce on the long term, and will raise many subsequent arguments.

Mana

siiiigh. @badp I don't get why you're biting into @tzenes about this, though.

badp

23 hours ago, by tzenes

Now, I'm going to have to ask that people vote to close our current poll: http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1491

Brant

Less drama, moar kittens.

Mana

16:50

Like seriously, linking him those two meta questions and blaming them specifically on him? If anything it was just as much my fault for voting.

badp

@Mana I would've linked the five of you if I could :)

Mana

@badp fair enough.

badp

but there's a one @-reply per comment limit.

Oak

... which is a shame honestly

Mana

You didn't have to @ anyone, really.

Your statement will just cause more people to be angry at tzenes and make some members of our community even more irrational. You're just contributing to the drama just as much as we did.

badp

16:53

@Mana Not what I'm trying to achieve -- since he's offline, he may not appreciate the timing and existence of those two posts.

Anyway. Fine. Comment deleted.

Mana

Thank you <3 hugs

badp

hugs Mana's neck

Mana

:(

Oak

Oh the love

Mana

But...I don't get why Aardvark would leave, really.

Tim Stone

16:55

teaches @badp the difference between hugging and choking

Mana

Maybe it was unrelated, but the timing's too coincidential.

badp

@TimStone oh, fine

chokes Mana's waist

Oak

I don't think it's unrelated. A high-rep user asking for account deletion?

No other reason I can think of.

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