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Kevin van der Velden

17:00

OFF TO HOME

CYA CHAT

Powerlord

@KevinvanderVelden I always put the f last because there used to be a version of tar that would get VERY upset if the file arg didn't immediately follow the f

5pike

Would tar -? count?

Yuuki

Private Pansy

The simplest tar -zxf should work?

-z for gzip, -x for extract, -f for files

Powerlord

@PrivatePansy Yeah, v just shows the filenames as its extracting.

Yuuki

17:02

tar help?

Powerlord

Also, btw, did anyone notice I did mess up my tar line?

Unionhawk

I think we got it first try

With googling

Powerlord

The reason being I put something.tar.bz2 and not something.tar.gz

(it's -j for bz2)

Lazers

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Q: Are there any mods comparable to the Restored Content Pack?

I'm getting ready to do a runthrough of KOTOR 1 on the PC, having gotten it from the recent Humble Bundle. I played through it before on XBox, which obviously wasn't easy to mod. I know KOTOR2 has a restored content mod that many people consider essential. I've looked into different mods for K...

Unionhawk

We only needed a .tar

It's fine

Powerlord

17:04

True, which would just need x and f

Unionhawk

We have officially built a shell \o/

Wheeee!

It's not a good shell, but it works!

Powerlord

If you have a tape drive, you don't need the f or filename arg

Unionhawk

> if you have a tape drive

GTFO GRANDPA

(full disclosure: I'm not too young to remember tape drives by a few years)

Powerlord

Tape drives still exist, you momo.

Unionhawk

Nope

I don't believe you

Powerlord

17:05

They're still used by enterprisey businesses

5pike

@Unionhawk For backups, yo

Jason Berkan

Yeah, tape drives are still a normal backup device for many companies.

Including shipping said tapes to another city for disaster recovery.

Unionhawk

...okay then

TIL

What... advantages do they have?

Or is it just the in-place system and what if things exploded while moving to a different backup method?

5pike

Tape drive

A tape drive is a data storage device that reads and writes data on a magnetic tape. Magnetic tape data storage is typically used for offline, archival data storage. Tape media generally has a favorable unit cost and a long archival stability. A tape drive provides sequential access storage, unlike a hard disk drive, which provides random access storage. A disk drive can move to any position on the disk in a few milliseconds, but a tape drive must physically wind tape between reels to read any one particular piece of data. As a result, tape drives have very slow average seek times to data. However...

Unionhawk

So, backup stability, and also mainframes probably use them still

MadMAxJr

17:09

I think our company backup system is telling the secure information to a contained, unknown tribe of indians who pass the stories down within their tribe for generations until we need it back.

I think that tribe is called the Data Services Team

Jason Berkan

I think it is a combination of price versus capacity, as well as the fact that changing backup practices is a scary thing to do.

StrixVaria

@JasonBerkan Write speed is also really fast, which is another important thing for backups.

Unionhawk

My mom works in insurance, in IT, and they did a disaster recovery drill a few months ago. So... tape drives may have been involved in the process

> Capacity: 10 TB

Holy shit

That's a lot of TB

5pike

They're also pretty cheap

The tapes, at least

Frank

@JasonBerkan At least you have a backup process.

Mad Scientist

17:13

@5pike I think the robots you need at some point for this aren't cheap anymore

Frank

Ours FUBARs on a regular basis, and there's no time to properly diagnose or resolve what's preventing it from working.

Jason Berkan

@Frank My last contract, at an insurance company, did a full disaster recovery test every six months. Build new images to replace all mission critical servers and full restore to all of them.

Frank

@JasonBerkan The only reason why we're even looking at a disaster recovery process right now is because I made our account controller aware that we don't have one. So he got behind it and pushed.

Which is awesome office politics in action, since telling our boss did the equivalent of jack and squat.

Unionhawk

I mean, in insurance, disaster recovery is an important thing

Mad Scientist

But the worst is "professional" backup software. I had the misfortune that the university uses IBM Tivoli for backup, and in the one case where we had to do a full restore it took ages to work around limitations or bugs in that piece of shit to actually get a restore to run completely

Jason Berkan

17:16

I honestly don't know anything about the backup processes at my current contract. They are contracted out to another company.

user4704

We backed up critical content databases to tape at ArenaNet.

user4704

I'm honestly not sure how useful that was. I only made them restore from the backup once, to test that it was actually... you know... usable.

Jason Berkan

All I know is that I can submit a ticket and get a database restore done whenever I need it.

user4704

I think we had to restore Perforce from a backup once, too. That was fun.

Jason Berkan

@JoshPetrie A backup you haven't restored from isn't a backup.

user4704

17:18

@JasonBerkan Yes, that's what I told the IT guy.

StrixVaria

@JoshPetrie Perforce :|

MBraedley

Adam Savage's One Day Builds: Cosmonaut Model Kit

►

cc @Frank

user4704

I hate Perforce.

user4704

But I hated Source Depot more, so now that I am back to using Perforce it feels much better.

user4704

One day somebody will come up with something like git that works in the context of large game studios and I will be happy. Until then I am a grumpy programmer.

Jason Berkan

17:25

But you are a grumpy programmer writing games, which beats being a grumpy programmer writing bond software.

Matt Giltaji

@JasonBerkan grumpy programmer writing bond software beats a grumpy programmer stuck in so many micromanagement meetings that no software is being written

Jason Berkan

@MattGiltaji Yes, that is the worst. No meetings best meetings.

user4704

Heh.

StrixVaria

I think I was the only developer at my last job that liked the planning meetings better than doing the actual work. Delegation is the best.

Powerlord

To be honest, I have no idea what our offsite backup strategy is.

I know our DBA makes backups of the production database periodically.

The appserver machine... no idea.

Lazers

17:39

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Q: how do you make horses unable to jump

well i made a hose race track and at the start i want all horses to not be able to jump, i used (/effect @e 8 1000000 150) but it makes me unable to jump but just makes the horses jump like 500 blocks high can anyone help me.

minecraft minecraft-commands

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Q: Is it possible to get a Level 3 Machine Gun in Bloodstain Sancutary?

In the final level of the game, Bloodstain Sancutary, is it possible to get a Level 3 Machine Gun by the end of the first room? An extra "Jet Pack" would be nice for completing that area.

cave-story

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

1

Applications

Proposed Q&A site for everyone around the globe to talk about the application process for a new job. Whats the standard CV in your country and where do I look for jobs? Which sites can I use and what are the necessary documents,whats important for an interview...

Currently in definition.

0

Malayalam language

Proposed Q&A site for people interested in learning Malayalam language (spoken in the state of Kerala in India). This shall be a platform to share knowledge and ask questions

Currently in definition.

1

Paganism

Proposed Q&A site for pagans, Heathens, Druids, Wiccans, Witches, Asatru and other followers of the Old Religions.

Currently in definition.

1

People's Opinions

Proposed Q&A site for people interested in other people's opinions about common problems. Proposal has contextual questions similar to SoftwareRecs/Parenting/Academia SE to hear other's people opinions on certain problems. Non-constructive/not-real/broad q are off-topic.

Currently in definition.

RedRiderX

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment ...

Unionhawk

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment lol

SaintWacko

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment Voted to close as too opinion-based.

Lazers

17:56

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Q: What is affinity on weapons?

When looking at weapons I could use/craft/upgrade/etc. A stat I can see is "affinity" and some of them have + or - a percentage. What is affinity and what does it affect? Can it be increased in any way?

monster-hunter-4-ultimate

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Q: Gaming performance or deadly low framerate Issue

am really wonderring I stoped playing my xbox 360 on HDMI cuz I switched my xbox and connected it with a PC monitor witch doesn't have hdmi... it only have VGA I already know that I will not have that image quality... but the problem I faced is different ... the performance or the frame-rate was ...

performance

murgatroid99

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment Voted to close as a duplicate of reddit

Matt Giltaji

@murgatroid99 or a duplicate of 99% of the internet

Yuuki

I'm not sure what this person expected when they asked this question...

Also relevant because earlier:

Matt Giltaji

the author of the opinion proposal is a lifehacks fan

So then proposal needs to be defined more what's on scope during beta, similar to Lifehacks which is challenging, because questions are wide as well (no limits on topics, but physical) and it's going well so far. This can be specified later on. — kenorb 2 hours ago

murgatroid99

> Lifehacks

> going well so far

Matt Giltaji

18:06

yep

Unionhawk

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment I want to vote all proposed questions as "not constructive" but I feel like there's something wrong with that

Tim Stone

@murgatroid99 Some people just like to watch the world burn.

Yuuki

> A) Storming the fridge.
B) The only target he doesn't miss is his mouth.
C) If Pilsbury produced Star Wars

Matt Giltaji

> D) aren't you a little fat for a stormtrooper?

Yuuki

> E) Jango Fatt

Matt Giltaji

18:14

> F) jabba the stormtrooper

Batophobia

> G) Always finds the cakes he's looking for

Kevin van der Velden

> H) Awesome that he ignores the inevitable fat shaming and does what he wants to

Fluttershy

^ Nailed it

Rapitor

@Fluttershy C-C-C-Combo Breakerrr

Fluttershy

@Rapitor Happily so.

Kevin van der Velden

18:23

^^

Lazers

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Q: How do I add objects to the Workshop?

I created a mod for Skyrim, but I don't know how to add it into the Workshop. How would I go about adding it to the Workshop?

skyrim steam

Origami Robot

Whoa, what did I walk in on?

Powerlord

@OrigamiRobot ....sex?

Batophobia

@OrigamiRobot ....murder?

Rapitor

Yuuki

18:32

@OrigamiRobot murder sex?

Lazers

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Q: Is there a direct upload to YT with PS4

So I am a sub account and I don't have a facebook to download it to youtube with. I don't have a capture card to use with my PS4 so I can't upload. I've checked the share stuff but couldn't find an upload to youtube. Is there a thing i'm missing that you can upload to youtube or do you need a cap...

ps4

Yuuki

Hmm... does this still crash everything?

StrixVaria

i.imgur.com/o6gSv16.gifv

DAMMIT

Whatever I'm leaving it.

Powerlord

@OrigamiRobot Come on, tell us what you walked in on!

Don't keep us in suspenders!

Frank

would this question be a dupe then? — Rapitor 1 min ago

Question: two different games, the mechanics are the same.

MBraedley

18:38

@Rapitor "If I can't kick the ball, nobody can!"

meme scientist

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A: What is the period after a game's main story line ends called?

The two terms that I believe fit best are "waste of time" and "waste of life".

Low quality A

murgatroid99

@memescientist It's a bad answer, but I think it's borderline for flagging

MBraedley

@murgatroid99 It's not a legitimate attempt to answer the question.

Frank

@murgatroid99 Considering the entire question is the epitome of primarily opinion based, sounds like it's as applicable as any other answer.

Unionhawk

@Yuuki That gif isn't that large, 16 MB

Batophobia

18:42

@Frank I'm not sure how asking for a term is opinion based.

murgatroid99

@MBraedley "legitimate attempt" seems like something that will quickly become a judgement call.

@Frank We have never considered terminology questions to be "primarily opinion based" in general

Frank

@Batophobia Asking for a term that has no official answer gets us exactly what we have on that question.

murgatroid99

@Frank Question that attracts a variety of answers != primarily opinion based

Frank

@murgatroid99 And for some, there's at least something from the techniques and games that can be used.

Batophobia

@Frank spam and offensive content happens on other types of questions as well

murgatroid99

18:44

@Frank That doesn't make it opinion based. Would you also suggest closing Engish.SE as primarily opinion based?

Frank

@murgatroid99 We're going to leave that one alone, as it's entirely irrelevant.

The point I'm making is that what we call the end-game/post-game/stuff after the story ends changes entirely based on what game you're playing.

Batophobia

Asking about gaming terms is wrong but asking for English terms is ok, got it

Frank

There IS no common term.

murgatroid99

@Frank But "end-game/post-game" seems like a pretty good answer. In fact, it is one of the answers

Frank

@murgatroid99 And what you call it is completely up to you!

Batophobia

18:46

@Frank Requiring to know the answer continues to not be a requirement for asking a question

murgatroid99

@Frank that doesn't mean that there isn't a word for it

I could call it "blargh", but I would be wrong

Frank

@murgatroid99 Would you really?

If people know what you're referring to, that's exactly what the point of words are.

Batophobia

Yes, the gaming community does not use the term "blargh" to refer to content after the main storyline of a game

murgatroid99

@Frank If we're going for some sort of ultra-descriptivist "all words can be correct for all concepts" attitude, discussing terminology questions is utterly pointless

Frank

@Batophobia And the terms we do use are wildly inconsistent.

Mostly because every damn game calls it something different.

Batophobia

18:48

@Frank but still within reasonable bounds

and no, most games tend to have similar terms

murgatroid99

@Frank And yet, somehow, everyone seems to have agreed that "post-game" is a good general term

Frank

@Batophobia Okay, what do they call it?

Batophobia

@Frank What do they call content outside the main quest?

Frank

@murgatroid99 But apparently epilogue is just about as good.

murgatroid99

@Frank Would you look at that, we have discovered synonyms.

Frank

18:50

There's the thing; each answer isn't about what it is, but what they, personally, call it.

murgatroid99

That doesn't make terminology questions opinion based

Batophobia

@Frank There does not need to be a single, definitive answer for every question. That's why SE allows multiple answers

Frank

Which is POB if ever I heard it.

StrixVaria

This question is vaguely reminiscent of how game-rec questions went.

It's not the best terminology question I've ever seen, but that doesn't make it off topic.

Frank

@StrixVaria Most general terminology questions are going to run into the same hallmarks as game-rec, actually.

murgatroid99

18:51

@Frank Are you arguing that the existence of synonyms means that terminology questions should be closed?

StrixVaria

@Frank Questions that ask "what do you call it when this happens?" might go that way. Questions that ask "what does this mean?" don't.

Frank

@StrixVaria I agree that those are two different types of questions, yes.

@murgatroid99 No, I'm arguing that trying to define a specific term across the breadth of gaming is a losing battle.

And the answers prove that out, especially on this question.

Origami Robot

What would "official" even mean in this context?

murgatroid99

@Frank How? The most highly-voted answer gives a good general term. Other answers give more specific or obscure terms. I don't see anything wrong with the state of that question

Frank

@murgatroid99 It's a popularity contest.

Origami Robot

18:54

If you want to argue that terminology questions are opinion-based, I'd counter with that's how terminology works

Frank

There's no objective criteria to judge against what is or isn't right.

Batophobia

@Frank Trying to define a specific term is not a losing battle. Terms tend to have a very limited number of definitions lest language becomes a useless thing

murgatroid99

@Frank Dictionaries are pretty good at that.

Frank

@murgatroid99 Dictionaries aren't Q&A sites.

murgatroid99

@Frank as verification, obviously

And remember that there is nothing wrong with a question having a best answer among multiple correct answers

Frank

18:55

@murgatroid99 Okay, if you can find this term in the dictionary, I'll concede the point.

Origami Robot

I can confirm that dictionaries are not Q&A sites.

murgatroid99

@Frank If you can't find the word "epilogue" in a dictionary, I worry for you

Origami Robot

I googled it.

murgatroid99

Or the prefix "post-" and the word "game"

Batophobia

@Frank I'd ask you to define "dictionary" but apparently defining terms is not possible

murgatroid99

18:56

or the words "end" and "game"

etc.

Frank

@murgatroid99 So why isn't that the most highly voted answer, then?

It's the most objectively correct, obviously.

murgatroid99

23 secs ago, by murgatroid99

Or the prefix "post-" and the word "game"

StrixVaria

@Frank I can't even follow what you're saying anymore.

murgatroid99

1 min ago, by murgatroid99

And remember that there is nothing wrong with a question having a best answer among multiple correct answers

Frank

Okay, let's step back a little bit, here.

StrixVaria

18:57

@OrigamiRobot Did you ascend in swarmsim?

Frank

Trying to get my thoughts in order in regards to dictionaries.

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Trent Hawkins

I don't even know what started this... (scrolls up) oh, the ignored person started it.

Batophobia

I honestly cannot believe we are having a debate on whether or not a site claiming to be gaming experts is not appropriate to ask for a term related to gaming.

Frank

@Batophobia Congrats for missing the point entirely.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I did and immediately got bored

murgatroid99

18:58

@Frank That's rich, coming from you

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot :(

Wipqozn

@Frank I'm sorry for starring this, but out of context this is just hilarious.

Frank

@murgatroid99 It's also entirely unhelpful, when I'm making an attempt to see where you're coming from.

Wipqozn

which is how I read it, since I'm not following the conversation at all! Too busy fixing sit destroying bugs. I'll need to catch up on the drama later.

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