The Bridge

Ktash

00:00

@Frank *in the concentrated burst

RedRiderX

Completely useless for my work email, but I shows a lot of promise for my personal account.

Ktash

The questions come in, they just do it slower. Over a week or more rather than over a day or two

Frank

@Ktash If you define the end goal as, "sometime in the future", yeah, we'll eventually hit the same level of questions.

But that's sort of the point he's bringing up; we used to excel at getting an incredible amount of information up in a super short amount of time.

And we'd do it before wikis even got the engine going.

Ktash

This is an actual question, do we have any recent data from traffic around releases?

Frank

@Ktash I'm not sure anyone but mods have access to that data.

Ktash

00:02

Didn't think so. That would be far helpful in knowing if we really had a problem

Comparing non-event releases of major titles vs traffic growth over time because of those releases

Frank

Much of it is also due to AAA burnout, I suspect.

Nobody trusts publishers to deliver a working game on release day anymore.

DwarfSlice

=[

Frank

@Ktash Or, maybe we do.

quantcast.com/gaming.stackexchange.com

Ktash

Yeah. And the new consoles are still getting traction I feel. At least from what I've noticed

Mad Scientist

@Frank My even larger point is that I suspect that we're missing out on new users and the questions they bring if we don't cover the basics of a game shortly after release. Nobody finds us via Google if we don't have any questions about the game they're playing.

badp

00:05

@Ktash I rewarded your answer with the greatest gift of all

Frank

@MadScientist Our massive SEO helps us squat if there's nothing for it to optimize, I agree.

Ktash

Wow, we get a lot of mobile traffic...

murgatroid99

@MadScientist Covering the basics is partly a different issue. Recently people seem to be more willing to downvote basic questions about games

Ktash

@MadScientist So you want the "common questions"?

@badp What's that?

badp

@Ktash TINY ADORABLE GRAPHS

Ktash

00:06

Hahaha, thanks :)

djsmiley2k

if you want to pay for release day games for me to break, feel free XD

Mad Scientist

@Ktash The kind of questions many players ask when they play the game at first. Most games have aspects that are simply confusing at first, often badly explained (or not explained at all).

Ktash

@MadScientist And are we not getting those questions in the first day, really? (honest question)

Frank

@MadScientist The point is, get those asked (and hopefully answered) here, before wikis get going.

Ktash

I would figure those are the first ones we'd ask on the site, regardless of contests

murgatroid99

00:08

@Ktash look at the questions asked about Rebirth vs the questions asked about BoI in the first couple of weeks

That may not be the best example, because of remake status

Ktash

@murgatroid99 I know nothing about BoI at all, so I probably would not be a good judge

murgatroid99

but it's a stark difference

Ktash

I tried to avoid the few remakes because they make for weird cases in questions and traffic

Mad Scientist

@Ktash My impression is that we depend on a very low number of users per game to actually start asking about it. And sometimes we have hardly anyone asking early questions. But this is still a subjective impression, we also have huge variations per game

Frank

@MadScientist For me, personally, I almost always stay away from AAA titles at release.

It's just not worth being a $70 beta tester.

murgatroid99

00:10

for BoI, we had questions about all of the most basic aspects of the game, and they were highly upvoted. For Rebirth, most questions are about less obvious aspects, and they are not as highly voted

Ktash

I haven't bought any recent games besides remakes and 1-year or older titles, so I don't have a lot of personal comparison to go on. I was just looking at the data of # of questions

murgatroid99

The last big non-remake game I got was Destiny, and there isn't really much to ask about that.

"How do I beat this level?" "You shoot everything that moves, and try not to get shot." That basically covers all of the gameplay

djsmiley2k

lol

i haven't got the game and I can ask lots of questions about it

fastest ways to upgrade certain weapons / classes

what unlocks what...

murgatroid99

I was exaggerating a little. But the game so extremely tedious and repetitive that I stopped playing after a week. It's probably the most disappointing game I've ever played, given who made it.

Ktash

Smash bros might actually be a good test because it has a lot of unlockables and such. But I don't think we beat the leaks out the door

murgatroid99

00:21

Basically, Destiny has convinced me to never buy or play anything from Bungie ever again

Ktash

@murgatroid99 Them firing Marty is what did it for me lol :P

murgatroid99

@Ktash I'd be surprised. We only have 30 questions about Brawl, and it's been out longer than this site has existed

Ktash

@murgatroid99 4, not the older ones

murgatroid99

@Ktash I know. I'm saying that I'd be surprised to see many questions about the new Smash given how few we have about the old ones

Plus, the important questions have probably already been asked about Smash 3DS

Ktash

That's another thing. A lot of the wikis are basing stuff on leaks and rumors and then change as they go. We don't do that at all. We go off a higher quality bar

StrixVaria

00:25

@murgatroid99 We tend to get a lot of questions right after launch. Older games generally don't have nearly as many as games that launched during our site's existence.

oblivion has 70 questions. skyrim has 2983.

Oblivion is just as big a game as Skyrim is.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria that's true. But we already have several questions about Smash 4. I doubt the release of the other Smash 4 will boost that by much

StrixVaria

People don't seem to ask many strategy questions here.

In skill-based games, those would be the most interesting questions.

Starcraft 2 used to get a lot of those, but I haven't seen it for more recent games.

murgatroid99

too many people seem to think that strategy questions are too subjective

Ktash

Sometimes those aren't received well so I think people may be discouraged

Chippies

strategy questions don't have a definite answer, thus people vote close them

cough frank

and other people

murgatroid99

00:37

@Chippies incorrectly, because there's such a thing as good subjective

but I agree, that's what's discouraging people from asking them

Origami Robot

Nightmare Fuel: Teddy bears turned inside out

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot misleading title! One of them was definitely a penguin and another one was most likely elmo

Lazers

01:09

0

Q: install mine craft resources manually on mac

I've been having problems trying to start up Minecraft and the launcher say theres a resources problem and I think I need to manually in the resources on the mac. I've tried to reinstall Minecraft I've tried to look it up but nothing is helping.

minecraft

Lazers

01:25

0

Q: How do you switch charecter styles in injustice gods among us?

I have unlocked outfits in my archives but I still can't change charecter styles when I'm playing. Help!!

injustice-gods-among-us

Frank

@Chippies Uh, no.

I don't close strategy questions.

Ktash

... My mom just asked if I can have pets where I live. I don't know how I feel about that question

user15026

@Ktash My mom asked me once if I ever thought of a second cat and then me and my then-wife ended up with a kitten that very day, so.

Ktash

Yeah... that's what I'm afraid of

user15026

Tell her you don't want pets?

user15026

01:39

Unless you do.

Wipqozn

I think I've decided: Instead of buying DAI tomorrow I think I'll buy Bayonetta 2. Because reasons.

I also might change my mind by tomorrow

I also need to buy a new tv

I also need to put up curtains

DwarfSlice

I never got my hands on a copy of Bayonetta

Wipqozn

I also need a stand for my tv

I also need to give @DwarfSlice a hug

I also need to read more of my book

Origami Robot

I also need to interrupt @Wipqozn

Wipqozn

Oh snap!

Frank

01:41

@Wipqozn Those are fun to buy.

Origami Robot

I also need to feel bad about interrupting someone so handsome.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot You really do.

@Frank I already own them. I just need to install them.

I've had them for a while actually.

Frank

@Wipqozn Also a fun job.

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn @StrixVaria @Fluttershy I'm nearing the end of The Name of the Wind. 125 pages to go.

user15026

@Wipqozn That reminds me I should pick up the second one

Wipqozn

01:45

@AshleyNunn I did that already, since I'm a rebel.

Once I got far enough into the book that I knew I was going to like the whole thing I picked up Book 2.

user15026

@Wipqozn They're on my Christmas list along with The Slow Regard of Silent Things

Wipqozn

I picked up Elantris at the same time too.

@AshleyNunn That takes place during the same time as the books but from the POV of a different character, right?

Frank

I was going to pick up Red Seas under Red Skies, but the local Chapters' copies have apparently disappeared.

Wipqozn

Well that's upsetting.

user15026

@Wipqozn Yeah, it's not really considered part of the main series (aka it is REALLY REALLY not the third book)

user15026

01:47

@Frank Augh but that book is AMAZING.

user15026

(I really like Lynch's stuff)

Frank

@AshleyNunn I really liked the first one, so I wanted the second.

But, nope. Five copies, but nowhere to be found.

spugsley

I WANT TO PLAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

user15026

@Frank I am so happy you liked the first one though

spugsley

DOWNLOAD AND THEN BE MIDNIGHT ALREADY

user15026

01:49

RSURS and Republic of Thieves are just as amazing

user15026

I'd offer you my e-copies but iirc you like physical books, no?

Frank

@AshleyNunn I have no e-reader. :P

Wipqozn

@Frank eReaders rock.

Frank

@Wipqozn Physical books rock more.

Wipqozn

It only took one book to make me love e-books.

@Frank I love my physical books too, but I also love eBooks.

user15026

01:50

I used to be a OMG physical books person but then I got tired of owning so many things

Wipqozn

Books I can't get in Mass Market Paperback I'll probably read via my eBook.

user15026

and now i am like ebooks are great they take up so little space

user15026

it helps that I don't reread things as much as I used to

Wipqozn

I'll also eBook books which are too huge to be read comfortably as a mass market.

Koviko

Yup. Just like owning the physical game.

Throwing away several hundred jewel cases when I moved was a huge weight off my shoulders.

Suddenly: space!

user15026

01:51

I know when I move again I will likely sell a lot of the books I own

user15026

with some exceptions

user15026

I just don't like having things taking up space when I don't use them

user15026

it feels stifling

Origami Robot

audiobooks are the best

I dont even have to have my eyes open

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot You've had a good experience with them? I might do that. I'm not a fan of reading, but I would like to see the story.

Sort of how I am with certain game genres.

Origami Robot

01:53

And headphones mean less distractions

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot Is it easy to focus? I find myself wandering off just listening to in-game conversations sometimes.

Even important ones.

Wipqozn

The biggest downside to ebooks is that it's a lot harder to flip through them. With certain books I like being able to flip back to reread certain sections.

Koviko

@Wipqozn I'd think it'd be easier because you could potentially keyword-search.

Origami Robot

@Koviko It's easier to focus than with actual reading, IMO.

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot That's probably true. Actual reading loses you too, eh?

Wipqozn

01:55

@Koviko That's true, but I don't always know which keywords to search for.

I might get better at it with ebooks with practice though.

Origami Robot

@Koviko I try to read too fast and end up having read a paragraph but not retained anything.

Koviko

@Wipqozn Future generations will see physical books as hard to navigate.

@OrigamiRobot I can relate to that.

Especially where I'll go back and re-read and realize that I definitely read it already, it just didn't register.

Physically I've progressed in the book, but mentally i'm still on the previous paragraph.

Origami Robot

Hearing another person speaking also helps combat the crippling loneliness!

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot D:

Btw, if anyone here uses Slack and finds they prefer StackExchange's style over Slack's, I made a Stylebot CSS stylesheet that makes Slack look like SE. I call it SlackExchange!

Sterno

These Dragon Age questions are making me want to play it.

Wipqozn

02:02

@Sterno That reminds me, I should ignore that tag.

Lazers

0

Q: Why is Aether 2 crashing when i enter the aether

Heres the Crash report, It was working but now it keeps crashing :c ---- Minecraft Crash Report ---- // Oops. Time: 11/17/14 8:45 PM Description: Exception in world tick java.lang.NullPointerException at net.minecraft.client.multiplayer.NetClientHandler.func_72519_a(NetClientHandler.java:9...

technical-issues

Matt Giltaji

Maybe I'm old fashioned. i like physical books for the paper smell. Searching, linking, etc is all nice, but I need that aged paper smell to really enjoy it.

Wipqozn

I'm also considering buying as PS4 + The Last of Us Remastered bundle.

Unionhawk

Huh. So apparently a tree root caused that major water line break today.

Wipqozn

I blame @Sterno for all of these things.,

@Unionhawk Sounds like they got to the root of the issue.

That reminds me, I really need to watch Citizen Kane at some point.

user15026

02:08

@Wipqozn You should, it is a pretty decent movie

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn I really need to reread all the things you're reading.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria You really do.

StrixVaria

I also really need to read all this new stuff in my to-read list.

user15026

@MattGiltaji I used to think this but then I get frustrated at how much space they take up

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria You also need to convince your wife to let you get smash bros now, and get you a different gift for christmas.

user15026

02:09

living in my tiny hobbit hole has made me really value stuff and how much of it I don't need

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn I think that's handled.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria Really? That's good!

StrixVaria

I should be able to start playing this Friday night, assuming the package actually comes on time.

Wipqozn

I was going to offer to make a recording of my handsome voice for her in exchange for letting you play it early, but now I won't need to!

StrixVaria

I think that might have been the deciding factor if it came down to it.

Wipqozn

02:10

@StrixVaria I hope it does then.

I'll need to get mumble working with Linux. My WiiU is in a different room than my PC now, so I'll need to use my laptop for voice chat with you guys.

Unionhawk

Oh wow

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Nope, not really. But I was just offered a puppy

A really cute one

Wipqozn

I'm really looking to trying out quite a few of the new characters.

Sterno

If I'd known torrenting this movie would take so long, I'd never have turned to piracy.

Errr, I mean.

Matt Giltaji

@Ktash nice, what breed?

Unionhawk

02:12

One of my crews sent me a package with a framed crew photo and a DVD with so much underwater footage

user15026

@Ktash I am not a dog person, so I am more immune to that, but my sister's boyfriend asked her that question recently and she ended up with a giant Great Dane (who she loves and loves her)

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn There's no built-in voice chat? I can't say I'm surprised, actually.

I guess I can try setting up a laptop downstairs.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria There probably is. I just assume it'll be as bad as the voice chat in Mario KArt and MH3U

StrixVaria

It was decent in MH.

Ktash

Wipqozn

02:13

Most of the new characters look like a lot of fun. Mega Man, Rosalina & Luma, Robin, Shulk, Duck Hunt, and Palutena are the ones I really want to try.

I tried Mega MAn in the demo, and he was fun.

Sterno

Duck Hunt is best Nintendo game.

StrixVaria

As with all previous smash games, I plan to be able to play competently with every character.

Sterno

Hogan's Alley is runner-up

StrixVaria

Except Sonic, if he's still around and has the same moveset.

He was just trash.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria I usually have a small list of character I focus on, but will have a larger list I play as.

StrixVaria

02:15

We used to play Brawl at lunch at work every day.

Wipqozn

We've got Brawl set up in the office. We didn't play it at all last week though. Really busy week.

StrixVaria

We'd start where everyone had to play as Mario. After each match, the winner moved forward 1 character.

We played until someone had won a match as every single character.

Wipqozn

I'm supposed to bring my WiiU +Smash Bros in at some point after I get back from vacation too.

user15026

Part of me still wants to get Smash at some point but part of me knows it is not something I will play solo because I like the couch co-op feels but I don't have people that will play with me and I will get bored SO FAST

Matt Giltaji

@Ktash so damn cute its not even funny

Ktash

02:16

@AshleyNunn That's where I am currently in my smash debate

Fluttershy

@Sterno Jackal master race.

Ktash

@MattGiltaji Yeah, it is adorable

StrixVaria

It was a really fun mode, especially when someone really far ahead got stuck on a character he was really bad as, and everyone else caught up.

Ktash

Looks to be a picture of my sister holding, which means I'm not sure who the little guy or gal is

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria That does sound like a lot of fun.

Matt Giltaji

02:17

@Ktash i don't know if its even possible to say no to a face like that

Ktash

Though my sister works for Purina, so there is a good chance they are from her work

StrixVaria

Each "round" usually took place over several weeks.

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn Don't buy it. If you ever get a WiiU then you should consider buying it.

@StrixVaria Yeah, I figured.

user15026

@Wipqozn I like the idea of the WiiU, and there are games that intrigue me, but I know deep down I won't realy play it

user15026

to me console stuff is more me watching people, or more me playing with people

Ktash

02:19

There it is. Just got offered the puppy for christmas

user15026

like if I had someone else in my house to play stuff with I would be more inclined (hint hint @WorldEngineer ;) )

Ktash

@AshleyNunn ... can I volunteer as well? :P

user15026

@Ktash Gonna need a bigger house!

Matt Giltaji

@AshleyNunn then there's more room for those physical books! Everyone's a winner

Ktash

@AshleyNunn In!

user15026

02:21

I do want a bigger space sooner rather than later, dependent on how this current work contract plays out

Wipqozn

I just noticed that comment about my socks is pinned.

> pinned by fredley 10 hours ago

I should have known it was that dastardly @fredley!

user15026

@Wipqozn Hey, dude, we can google image your socks, so....

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn I know.

Posting my socks in The Bridge was the single biggest mistake of my life.

I'll never leave my socks on the table again.

Ktash

@AshleyNunn well I can bring myself and an adorable puppy

user15026

@Ktash Not sure what my cat will think

Fluttershy

02:22

@AshleyNunn Oh wow. You actually can....

Wipqozn

I actually need to go buy new clothes. I've got rips and tears in quite of my of my shirts.

user15026

@Wipqozn You've learned a valuable lesson.

user15026

@Fluttershy Yeah, it is totally a thing.

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy Just google "Wipqozn", and it'll be one of the frist results.

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Meh, as long as your cat meets them as a puppy, I'm sure it will be fine

Wipqozn

02:23

Oh, it's not one of the first results anymore!

user15026

Sadness :(

Ktash

@Ktash CC @spugsley because I'm sure she could use some cuteness

Brant

Starring Smarf

Wipqozn

Aug 19 at 14:34, by Tim Stone

spugsley

@Ktash OMG

@Ktash I always need cuteness!

Wipqozn

02:26

Sep 14 at 20:47, by Feeds

badp has added Brant to the list of this room's owners.

I didn't even notice that until just now. I think.

Ktash

@spugsley There are 8 puppies. I imagine they all looks like that

And I think they are looking for homes ;)

spugsley

@Ktash BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

did you read my newest TC stuff :p or is TC too scary of a place to go?

Lazers

0

Q: Command with infinite coordnates?

I am making a command that is /execute @e[type=Snowball] -603 4 170 /summon PrimedTnt So whenever I throw a snowball at the specific coordnates, it will blow up. Is there a way to make it so there are infinite coords so no matter where the snowball lands it blows up no matter what? Thanks

minecraft

Brant

It took me a while to notice too!

Ktash

@spugsley I haven't yet. I should go do that

Wipqozn

02:28

@Brant Think about all you can do with your new found power.

spugsley

@Ktash I think there's two right now. A third should be posted tonight sometime

user20683

TC is utterly boring

user20683

it's like most things like that for me

Wipqozn

I also need to buy some long sleeve shirts. Because reasons.

user15026

@Wipqozn Careful or it will go to his head

spugsley

02:29

@WorldEngineer I'm writing for them now

so maybe I'll help unboring them

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn It probably already has. Room Ownership is a power which corrupts even the strongest willed human beings.

user20683

@spugsley I admire your optimism

user15026

@Wipqozn I know all about how corruption can get to a person, after all, I ended up with a diamond...

spugsley

@WorldEngineer 'maybe' is the key. And I'm getting paid. Which is a nice change.

Wipqozn

@AshleyNunn The blue seed of corruption.

user15026

02:31

@Wipqozn I have seen the dangers of this much power

Wipqozn

Okay, I'm going to head off to bed.

I was going to read some more fo my book, but then you people distracted me with your fanciness.

Basil

So I've started playing minecraft.

user15026

@Wipqozn See? TERRIBLE THINGS COME FROM THIS PLACE

Basil

I can't tell if I'm having fun yet

Wipqozn

@Basil If you decide you're having fun, you might want to check out this room.

user20683

02:33

@spugsley Then I welcome you to the league of underlings for soulless overlords. Cupcakes and cider are over there. points

user15026

@Basil That was me before I realized I wasn't, and stopped playing MC, because I don't think I was having fun, because I am not good without direction

user15026

@WorldEngineer I want a cupcake.

user15026

Can I have a cupcake?

user15026

Can I have two cupcakes?

Basil

I also like direction

spugsley

02:34

@WorldEngineer maybe it's my tiredness but I really can't tell if you're being an asshole to me or not. Can you clarify before I get defensive?

Basil

but I don't like interruptions when I'm making things, so avoiding death by zombies can't be my direction

user15026

@Basil I just never know what to make

user15026

I lack that creativity for creation

user15026

I just want to do stuff that they tell me (aka I play a lot of linear story driven things)

Basil

I keep thinking about cool things, then realizing how much easier they'd be in creative mode, then realizing that it would be less fun without physics and scarcity

and then thinking "boy, I could use more iron"

and "damn, I refuse to go mining for another hour"

user20683

02:36

@spugsley I'm gonna go with tired. I was expressing solidarity.

user15026

I just wandered around with no idea what I should do or have to do and then I die :P

Ktash

@spugsley Hey, I was thinking about the language thing just today :)

spugsley

@WorldEngineer ok <3 that's why I was asking. Sorry :)

@Ktash :D neat

Ktash

@spugsley You even used it in your examples :P

spugsley

@Ktash :o which one?!

Ktash

02:37

(what I was thinking of)

ADD

Though now it is really called ADHD-PI

Ok, I need to close the puppy picture. As I'm tabbing around, I keep getting trapped staring into that cute face

user15026

@Ktash I could help with that.... :P

Ktash

@AshleyNunn YOU AND YOUR CUTENESS HAVE DONE ENOUGH ... (but not really because you are very cute and I have no problem getting lost staring at you)

user15026

@Ktash grins But it is fun to make your brain pop

spugsley

@AshleyNunn omg it IS fun, isn't it?!

Ktash

You two are dangerous. Very dangerous

user15026

02:43

@Ktash Shush, you like me

Ktash

I was using dangerous like I would describing James Bond. Synonymous with good and sexy

Also, you know, Darkwing Duck

user15026

@Ktash I was agreeing til you compared me to a duck ;)

Ktash

@AshleyNunn So you don't want to "get dangerous" with me?

Private Pansy

spugsley

@Ktash hey, what about me?! I want to join in!

Ktash

02:48

@spugsley In! So in!

Let's get dangerous

user15026

@Ktash not if I have to be a duck ;)

Lazers

0

Q: Minecraft: View who is online in a server

I have a website and would like to display a list of players online in my server. Most likely a php or javascript function would be ideal. Is this information public or do I need server mods to do this? https://dinnerbone.com/minecraft/tools/status/ Has a version where if an IP:port is specifie...

minecraft

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Not if you don't want to be. I mean, I was really only referring to his catch phrase "let's get dangerous" as a euphemism. But if you want to take it literally and be a duck, you're cute enough that I'd give it a try ;)

Origami Robot

Sheol beat x2!

user15026

@Ktash giggles Duly noted.

Private Pansy

02:53

@badp Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- *catches breathe* -hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

user15026

@PrivatePansy offers paper bag to breathe into

Ktash

@spugsley You're certainly pouring fire on the flames of some individuals with your second article. I can't read the comments because they are blocked for me, but I have to imagine the people who came out of the woodwork weren't happy lol

But it still needed to be written and was well written too :)

And yay for published things

spugsley

@Ktash oh yeah, no kidding. The comments are horrible. Don't read them. Also, the woman since changed her original posting to 'explain things better'

it's a mess

not taking it down though. It's still important

user15026

Unfortunately due to my media diet of "nope can't handle things" I won't be poking too much at your writing stuff, @spugsley, but I am still yay that you have the thing and are doing the stuff

spugsley

@AshleyNunn I completely understand and the fact that you're happy for me despite not being able to read my stuffs means a whole lot to me <3

user15026

02:59

@spugsley I like that people not-me can do the things and say the stuff, I just know my own crazy paranoia brainpan's limits.

Ktash

@spugsley It is. Definitely don't take it down :)

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