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If the answer is yes, then that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
@Unionhawk ERMEGOSH! You're captain sparklez? /fanboy
@Unionhawk No, because you are disclosing that it's by them/you.
Hi @NotWipqozn. I've never seen you around here before. Are you new?
18:00
as you can see, it wasn't a lot of gold, but zone 1 gold shouldn't even move my gold amount, yet it did increase it by a little
@Unionhawk "Unionhawk is wrong", somewhat subverted by the message I'm repying to
@Unionhawk If you were, the only change you would have to make to follow the rules is say "I made this video"
It's not hard
It wouldn't be instantly deleted or something
@RPiAwesomeness punches in face
@tombull89 Uh...ow
@Unionhawk who's CaptainSparklez?
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18:01
@Chippies wtf
@Chippies O.O
@Chippies The YouTuber who made the video linked to by that answer
@Chippies Me, of course.
He's a super-famous gaming Youtuber
(spoiler no not really anyone who's heard my voice can confirm)
18:02
@Unionhawk Wait, if you secretly are CaptainSparklez and you said this video was made by CaptainSparklez who is not you then I'd have a problem, yes
because you'd be lying.
@Chippies What is that silver drop?
I... okay now you've confused me
2 mins ago, by Unionhawk
Okay, let's pretend I'm secretly CaptainSparklez. Does this answer now break the rules?
> And here is a video by CaptainSparklez that demonstrates this:
18:02
@Batophobia goshdangit
@SaintWacko 10x gold from Fortuna
@Chippies Ah, cool!
Okay, that's a fair point.
Sometimes when youtube names don't match it isn't self evident
Alright, my mind has been changed.
Thanks @badp
I mean, if you do say who made the video, you better don't lie
at the same time I don't see it necessary to mention that you made the video you're linking to so long as the rest of the answer stands on its foot
18:04
Things are different when we're talking about a game you've worked on, I suppose.
Or actually no my mind has not been changed. I lied.
@badp The fact that people can get ad revenue from their own videos makes this a little tricky
@Unionhawk are you captainsparklez?
We will never know
I hope you understand how little revenue one would get from Arqade links.
@murgatroid99 eh. It's true. But it's... somewhat minor in my book: you still can get the full answer here.
I mean, the more disclosure, the better
18:05
@Yuuki It should still be cool to discuss and maybe gauge the temperature, so to speak
Feel out if it's even worth mentioning
@Unionhawk If the original answer that started the conversation had said "Video made by SexyPurpleUnicorn", I would have had no problem with it
Here he was asked to provide disclosure and he gave it
@Arperum @Chippies HAhaha, Dropbox to the rescue. Worst case is I just lose last night's clicking which is no big deal :D
Our website is probably more likely to be affected by a change in a policy on self-made videos than others.
@Koviko The policy is more generally about linking to resources that you made. Videos just happen to be an example that occurs more on this site
Links to blog posts or libraries are pretty common on SO, for example
18:07
@murgatroid99 That was my entire blog back in the day. There was a forum I was active on so, whenever I saw an interesting question, I wrote a blog post on in and then linked people to it.
When the bar is between, "Here's a program that can help you" vs. "Here's a program I made that can help you", I really don't see having to disclose as all that big a deal.
I also do a tl;dr, but people found the blog useful.
I'll just put this on a loop until morale improves
@badp Morale drops
And I think the more important point is that if someone is unwilling to say that they made what they linked to, it probably indicates a problem
18:08
@Frank that's the joke
@murgatroid99 Fair enough.
@murgatroid99 This seems more social than anything. Like, if someone shows their disapproval with "class" or with "butthurtitude"
@badp If you say you're gonna put it on a loop, you should probably link a loop.
@Unionhawk And if we just nicely ask people to disclose, then those problems become evident
I guess since jontron...
18:09
@Koviko Or that they want to trick people into giving them ad revenue
@Yuuki in a more civilized world, that loop goes to a version with the full ode to joy
Also, in all that arguing, I missed my class.
Damn you bridge
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@Rapitor lol, love jontron
@Unionhawk I've been at work for two hours arguing here
@murgatroid99 If those videos had been prefaced with ads, I would certainly not have hesitated to flag as spam, regardless of disclosure or not.
18:10
@murgatroid99 Oh noes, that user might make $0.01 on my click
@murgatroid99 That's assuming they don't deserve it.
@Unionhawk It's not about the ads, it's about the tricking
Okay, that's fair
Because that tells me driving traffic to their site is more important than helping people.
I'd argue that some answers deserve more than just imaginary Internet points.
18:11
If they're not willing to disclose, it's dishonest
41 secs ago, by murgatroid99
@Unionhawk It's not about the ads, it's about the tricking
Now, if they had something that went, "Hey, here's an ad-supported video I made that helps explain it", that...I might let pass.
@OrigamiRobot (confirmed in the DW20 pack)
Depends on the rest of the answer.
@murgatroid99 On that note, would it be okay to ask for donations for giving a great answer?
@Frank If someone's blog post had banner ads, would you flag links to it as spam?
@Koviko No, that's explicitly against the rules
18:12
> If this answer saved your company money, donate $1 to me!
@murgatroid99 Probably not, because I have ad-block installed.
@murgatroid99 Getting donations, or requesting them?
@Frank What if the video had background ads or those little pop up ads instead of preroll ads?
@Koviko Man, if I had a $1 for every time my answers helped someone on SO, I'd... well, not be wealthy, but I'd have a nice side income.
18:13
@Koviko requesting money in answers is against the rules
If it was links to those super shitty clickbank, "GET RICH FAST" tutorials behind a paywall, I'd flag it and not even blink twice.
@murgatroid99 I guess it would depend on how overt it was.
@Frank I think I'd blink twice at the audacity.
You can ask for whatever you want in your profile because people don't look at those anyway
@Koviko It's been done.
@Frank I mean like the standard ones on YouTube
18:14
Pretty much every Minecraft mod is behind an adwall.
@murgatroid99 I'm not familiar with most of the Youtube advertising. How invasive are they?
@Frank There are ads around some videos, and there are ads that pop up for a few seconds during some videos, which you can close
@Frank Without Adblock, fairly annoying.
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Q: How do we deal with users that use data from here to monetize their blog?

FrankI've been having some sneaking suspicions about one of our newer users, and I've run into what I perceive as, at best, shady behaviour. The Details This user has asked a few questions, and gotten some answers, and he answered one himself before it got closed. In his answer, he links to a blog....

Especially ones that force you to watch movie trailers.
@Frank I thikn I was in that discussion.
Yup, I was. Got downvoted like mad.
18:15
@Koviko Yeah. And I disagreed with your stance. :P
I'm one who explicitly has adblock disabled on Youtube and twitch, but that's probably just me as far as people in this room.
@Unionhawk I have the same
I try to remember to disable adblock on sites I actually want to support
Okay, not just me. Wonderful.
@Unionhawk i allow YT, but not twitch. Twitch has subscribtion and donation to directly support the creators
Well, YouTube. I rarely go to Twitch
18:16
Ad block is disabled on very few sites for me.
@Arperum Haha that is awesome to know :D
@Frank IIRC, it was about people taking content from SE, not linking to their content in SE. Right?
@Koviko Yep.
@Frank For the most part, I'm fine with non-invasive ads
But the reverse still sort of applies.
18:17
Youtube is even starting to adobt the "donate/tip creators" so soon I can just adblock that too.
Attribution/disclosure says a lot about the motivations of the contributions.
@James Chippies scienced that the current level is irrelevant, but the highest unlocked level counts.
@Rapitor That doesn't really make sense. Most video makers will still make money primarily or entirely from ads
@murgatroid99 if you watch twitch streamers that have notifications for donations and the amount you can see that's where the money is.
@Arperum Ah so it will be for the highest level no matter what?
18:20
@murgatroid99 Well, YouTube is the one that has to pay them. Just like restaurant owners, YouTube would rather you pay the servers for them.
@James seems so.
I have honestly been doing mostly idle gaming in any case so the candy just sits there
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That is actually kind of kewl then, means it scales to when I click it instead of when I had it appear :D
@Koviko What? That's not how it works. YouTube is providing a video hosting service
Video creators are not their employees
18:21
@murgatroid99 It's not exactly the same, but YouTube does pay the content creators. It's more like... freelance?
@Koviko YouTube doesn't pay content creators like someone would pay an employee. They have a contract to split ad revenue
And most people don't have that. In most cases, it's just a video hosting service
@murgatroid99 Regardless of how you word it, YouTube is paying content creators for their content.
@Koviko It's the same way that Google splits ad revenue with people that put ads on their sites. That doesn't mean that every blogger in the world is a Google employee
That's a gross oversimplification of the YouTube partner program.
@murgatroid99 I'm not saying that they are employees. I'm saying that they get paid by YouTube.
18:25
4 mins ago, by Koviko
@murgatroid99 Well, YouTube is the one that has to pay them. Just like restaurant owners, YouTube would rather you pay the servers for them.
This suggests that they should be treated like employees by making an analogy to restaurants
@murgatroid99 It's the only metaphor I could think of. It's not like it's something common that I can find an exact example for.
But that analogy doesn't make sense because the relationship and the business model are different
adsense pays content creators
Metaphors don't need to match on every single aspect.
which can be linked to a youtube account
youtube pays nobody
18:26
@Koviko I'm saying that it doesn't match on any meaningful aspect
@murgatroid99 How so? Didn't you say that YouTube was going to make a way for you to directly donate to a content creator?
3 mins ago, by Unionhawk
That's a gross oversimplification of the YouTube partner program.
@Koviko I didn't say that, and I don't see how it's relevant
Is that not what tipping is?
@Koviko i said that, and that doesn't mean anything
18:28
@Rapitor It has to mean something. Either viewers are or are not able to directly donate to the creator through YouTube.
It's not like YouTube is going to say "well, you make tips now, you get paid less per hour" because 1) that doesn't make sense and 2) no
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and 3) NO
@Unionhawk No, but it can mean that YouTube doesn't need to partner with people as quickly as they do already
18:29
Because they'll see the rewards of content creation sooner than a partnership
No, I disagree
It is in YouTube's (and yes by extension Google's) interests to support and encourage newer content creators
@Unionhawk Correct. And right now, the best way for them to do that is through the partnership
The direct donation would give them another avenue
That puts the money in their hands directly from the viewers
I have no idea what you're trying to say, and I'm not sure you do either.
yeah i'm lost now
So this is a thing:
18:31
I'm saying exactly what I said: YouTube would rather the viewers pay the content creator than splitting the ad revenue via the partnership
@Wipqozn tree goes there
I find it strange that exists, given we have a writers site still ion beta:
@Rapitor Little to the left..
@Koviko I don't think that's true. I think they want to give more options for monetizing videos
@Wipqozn That site actually has some pretty interesting questions
@murgatroid99 They could add in the subscribe functionality that Twitch has. It'd make more sense since it's tested and proven to work.
That way users are paying to get something rather than just donating. That said, they would need to figure out what subscribers would actually get.
In Twitch, it's just chat privileges I think.
18:39
@Koviko Honestly, I'm doing this entire thing on hearsay, so I don't know what exactly they are doing. But I'm sure they have a good reason
@Koviko You mean like this?
paid subscriptions is already a thing on YouTube, not sure about the details
Because that looks like a user-paid subscription service for monetizing videos that gives the user something relevant to the YouTube platform
@Wipqozn I approve of both of those sites.
@Unionhawk Ah, then that's pretty cool. I don't use YouTube enough to know much about it.
@murgatroid99 That sounds a bit like what I was thinking, yeah. Maybe the donation thing is just something extra on top of a system like this.
Again, don't know the details, you need 1000 existing subscribers to turn it on
18:41
Are flags invisible now?
The motives seem a bit less skeezy
@Koviko What's skeezy about giving users the option to give money to video creators?
@murgatroid99 The motive seems to me more like they are looking for a way out of sharing ad revenue than just adding something on top of it.
@Koviko That's not what's happening. Ads are literally Google's biggest revenue source. They don't want a way out of that.
Now I wonder if they're going to take a little off the top of donations.
18:45
Doubtful but maybe
@Batophobia 11 upvotes and a 10-upvote answer
@Sterno Likely to be closed within the next 24 hours, anyway.
I made 61 rep on SF&F today. I need a shower.
Or at least make them seriously discuss the merits of Dora.
Now I'm waiting for someone to bring up MLP being on-topic
18:51
@Sterno You could be that someone
@Sterno They have MLP questions, right?
@Sterno MLP actually has a complex fantasy backdrop
"complex"
@Sterno ^
@Sterno No, really
How complicated can ponies be
Don't answer that
I don't want to know
18:52
The story starts 2000 years ago...
@Unionhawk lookit what youve done
Or maybe it was 1000
Where did that ignore button go?
I'm not actually going to do that
18:53
@Unionhawk My greatest moment.
@Sterno - "Would a serious fan of the science fiction or fantasy genres consider spending any amount of effort digging into the details of a children's cartoon?". Yes, I would. — Richard 33 secs ago
@Yuuki That's not you. That's @Yuki
@Sterno I could write a good sized post on the eons long life cycle of the Tree of Harmony and its symbiotic relationship to ponykind
@murgatroid99 I have no doubt.
I challenge you to watch all seven seasons of Dora before so harshly dismissing it!
@Sterno I don't have a problem with Dora
18:58
I'll have to think of a good Sofia the First question for tomorrow.
@Sterno My daughter loves that show
She can't wait for the Princess Ivy episode
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I want to know how Sofia can sit there and eat meat at dinner when she's got a ring that lets her talk to all animals. HORRIFYING
@Sterno she's young. She hasn't thought of that yet
@SaintWacko yeah, this is probably the only reasonable answer
Or she's a sociopath
19:01
"Today, kids, we're having roast rabbit!"
@SaintWacko "roast duck!" points gun at Daffy
user4704
bighugegames.com is alive again apparently, interestingly enough.
Oh no, my Dora question is closed. :(
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@Sterno why!
> would a serious fan of the science fiction or fantasy genres consider spending any amount of effort digging into the details of a children's cartoon?
That seems to be the defining criteria for whether or not a cartoon is in scope
@Sterno if they were serious enough
@Sterno Go through the On Hold process, into the Meta, and then you'll get to Redemption! I'm the Map, I'm the Map, I'm the Maaaaap!
Well, this already got a researched answer by a guy with 50k+ rep, so clearly the answer is "yes".
@Sterno That's discriminatory against parents who are forced to ask themselves these questions just because their children wouldn't appreciate more "mature" shows.
19:11
@Frank I don't even.
@Sterno Meta! Meta! Meta!
@Unionhawk Can't see from work :(
@OrigamiRobot Big Reactors mod spotlight part 1
Ah
Have there been significant changes?
I dunno
It was pretty easy last time
I mean, getting Liquid End is still a pain
19:13
You can cool with Cryotheum too, but that's slightly more painful (more powerful coolant though)
@OrigamiRobot liquid ender from thermal expansion?
@Unionhawk IIRC, Liquid End is the same
Besides, we'll have @Kevin to give us infinity pearls
@OrigamiRobot Ah, I don't know then.
I can't take this too much further without hitting hardcore troll territory.
> The internal radiation and heat simulation has been rewritten. Reactors tend to run somewhat hotter than in 0.2, but produce much more power.
19:16
Yea, who knows now.
After reading that meta, I think it could use a clearer answer, as I'm not sure if any of the current answers justify this question being closed. — Sterno 1 min ago
@Sterno's question is now representative of SFF, network-wide.
@Sterno Closers, no closing.
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Does it need to be said two more times?
19:18
@Sterno has his own chat room on SFF now.
@OrigamiRobot Where?
I'm so fancy.
@Sterno You already know.
19:20
Oct 24 at 14:30, by Unionhawk
@Batophobia NO
@Unionhawk lmao
It could have been just a whole room of people talking about how awesome I am.
@Sterno That's The Bridge
70% dps improvement despite soul costs
The next hero I should degild is Athena but doing so leaves me uneasy
She's one of the few breadwinners
19:23
Does anyone else remember a fake movie trailer, with bad animation, of a Jerry Bruckheimer (I think) Batman movie where it plays Back in Black when he puts on the costume, he flies off a motorcycle at one point and punches the Joker in a helicopter, and there's a line to the effect of "He hacked the Internet?" "Which one?" "ALL OF THEM"
Way way more than Ivan
I'm trying to find it
@Sterno I'd recommend trying /r/TOMT if no one here can answer.
Then I'd have to register on Reddit
@badp I think you finished Clicker Heroes.
19:25
It really shouldn't be this hard to find.
@StrixVaria Only if he reaches zone 4000-whatever
@StrixVaria I sure wish I felt like it
I'm so glad @Sterno has the courage to ask the tough questions.
@Sterno You should definitely, definitely ask a meta question asking why your question got closed.
@badp Do you just prioritize it based on that site's list of most useful heroes?
@James That's what I'm trying
19:27
@StrixVaria Well, they linked to a meta as justification. I just don't think it justifies it.
@badp Wonder if I Should not give pass as well tonight
Ive gotten about another half a dozen of gilds and they are all over the place
Their main criteria was "would someone bother to answer this?" and the answer there was clearly "yes"
@Sterno Wow really? That criterion is horrible.
I've been waiting for a SFF mod to come in here and scold us. We'd deserve it.
Proving again whether or not a question can get an answer is a stupid metric for whether or not its on topic.
@OrigamiRobot I HAD A LEGITIMATE QUESTION
19:29
Heh
It's not like I asked why Unicornio the Unicorn was made King of the Enchanted Forest
We'd. Deserve it.
@Sterno Closed as General Reference.
@Sterno Well who else would you have? Swiper?
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@Sterno The answer you got also sets an appropriate perspective on why Swiper is an asshole instead of just a thief
19:31
I wonder if he's running afoul of anti-piracy code
(There is no non-Steam version of Borderlands 2 for PC)
I mean, obviously to set up the hidden picture scenes but they could have done that another way.
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I'm just glad my comment is so popular.
19:37
at least it wasn't 5 tens
five tens is @Wipqozn
and that's terrible
@Unionhawk Literally the worst.
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@Rapitor Keygen? >:(
And probably the user, too.
@Frank have you ever run out of flags?
@Rapitor I don't believe so, no.
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19:50
You get a lot of flags. There's practically no limit.
At least on a site with our level of activity.
You could maybe run yourself out of flags on SO.
I just created a reddit account. I hope you're happy.
@Sterno For Dora?
28 mins ago, by Sterno
Does anyone else remember a fake movie trailer, with bad animation, of a Jerry Bruckheimer (I think) Batman movie where it plays Back in Black when he puts on the costume, he flies off a motorcycle at one point and punches the Joker in a helicopter, and there's a line to the effect of "He hacked the Internet?" "Which one?" "ALL OF THEM"
@Lazers interaction between different mods go!
Well, that's weird. Work is blocking Frank's link even on https.
And yet I have no trouble accessing arqade otherwise
19:54
@Powerlord Could be because the link's dead.
For non-10K'ers.
@Frank Yes, but why would work pop up the "not allowed site" thingy just for a dead link?
@Powerlord Your guess is as good as mine.
@Frank Oh wait, it's because SE redirects that back to http
@Powerlord Mine works fine, though all the videos in questions/answers don't show up for https
@Batophobia Well, I checked the page it said it blocked and it's gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/24996/… rong/189628
19:57
@Powerlord That link works for me, keeping the https

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