The Bridge

Rapitor

7:09 PM

@Sterno raw?

SaintWacko

I have 1 hero soul now, and will get 8 more when I ascend. Should I ascend yet?

I'm on floor 141

Sterno

@Rapitor I don't really care how they prepare them.

badp

@SaintWacko did you take more or less than 15 seconds to clear zone 140?

SaintWacko

@badp More

And I used pretty much all my abilities to do it

badp

@SaintWacko do you have an imminent upgrade that can ~double your DPS?

SaintWacko

7:10 PM

@badp Nope, I've unlocked all the upgrades

Only upgrade left is ascension

badp

I meant, a +25 level up

SaintWacko

@badp Um... no?

The only upgrade of that sort that could double my dps is on Frostleaf

badp

@SaintWacko To comfortably beat the 145 zone boss you'll need to have 1,563e+27 dps

SaintWacko

And he's only level 94

badp

@SaintWacko What level is Treebeast?

SaintWacko

7:12 PM

@badp I have 1.530e+27 dps right now

@badp 577

badp

@SaintWacko Bring him up to 1,000

That should be your priority

You'll easily eclipse Frostleaf if you do that

SaintWacko

@badp Wow. That's going to take a lot of money

StrixVaria

@SaintWacko Takes on the order of 100N

Frank

@SaintWacko He does tension so right.

SaintWacko

@Frank No kidding

badp

7:15 PM

@SaintWacko It's a way better investment than levelling up Frostleaf

Frank

@SaintWacko It gets even better as the series goes on.

He eventually goes on to create his own version of the Macross Missile Massacre.

Rapitor

there are some days I miss being a C++ developer. Then I remember pointers...

badp

@Rapitor I have a C++ leaflet for those moments

StrixVaria

@Rapitor yosefk.com/c++fqa

Rapitor

yeah I have a big blue book I like to call the bible, but its still a pain in the ass

tombull89

7:18 PM

Games you buy thorough Steam should come with a warning if they use a third-party store like uPlay or GfWL...

badp

@tombull89 Get Enhanced Steam

 for_each(begin(elems), end(elems),
   [&sum, weight](int value)
     { sum += (weight * value); });

StrixVaria

@tombull89 I'm pretty sure it does this for GFWL at least.

Chippies

We burnt the microwave twice, the apartment was full of smoke both times and the smoke alarm didn't make a noise. Now we're cooking, there's a bit of steam in the kitchen, nowhere near the smoke alarm, no smoke or anything and it starts beeping like crazy...

at least I know I won't die in my sleep from steam? Idk... such garbage

my ears are still ringing

Batophobia

@tombull89 I think it does this for a lot of them

Well it does for GFWL, atleast: store.steampowered.com/app/97100

it's by the category tags

Chippies

or as @badp said

13 mins ago, by badp

@tombull89 Get Enhanced Steam

GnomeSlice

7:33 PM

Awesome ad.

Kevin van der Velden

Might wanna put it behind a link though

That thumbnail~

GnomeSlice

They (smartly) included interracial, homosexual, Elderly, etc.

murgatroid99

@GnomeSlice I agree with Kevin. You should probably not embed that thumbnail

GnomeSlice

ok

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice :|

GnomeSlice

7:35 PM

Nice to see comments on the content, as always.

Chippies

@GnomeSlice could've replaced it with a link to the video

instead of removing

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice If you want comments on the content then don't post thumbnails for their shock value. Again.

Chippies

which is what people were asking

GnomeSlice

@Chippies Nobody was going to watch it anyway.

It's cool.

Chippies

@GnomeSlice well, now they can't even if they were going to

murgatroid99

7:36 PM

@GnomeSlice I'm at work. Of course I wasn't going to watch it

GnomeSlice

Exactly.

Kevin van der Velden

I have no idea what it was even about

I do however know that (censored) images of two naked guys don't belong in chat and are liable to get flagged

Chippies

@KevinvanderVelden judging by the text in thumbnail, it's an ad about that weird dating show where people date... naked

GnomeSlice

@KevinvanderVelden It's an ad for dating naked, where they have a flashmob of people dancing together in the buff. It's all choreographed, but it's really well done, and they have a bunch of minorities, which is nice.

Chippies

reality TV is odd

Kevin van der Velden

7:38 PM

Reality tv is one of the greatest misnomers ever

Jason Berkan

Reality TV is why I cancelled 1/2 my satellite subscription.

Batophobia

3

GnomeSlice

@JasonBerkan you didn't have to watch it you know

nvm, missed the 1/2

MBraedley

We have a java class for our proprietary NMEA 0183 message format (which is really just a wrapper format for other NMEA messages). We also have a java class that covers all NMEA 0183 messages. Should one of these classes inherit from the other? If so, what should that inheritance look like?

Batophobia

@KevinvanderVelden I'm not sure, there's an awful lot of stupid people in "reality"

StrixVaria

7:41 PM

@MBraedley More specific is a subclass of more generic.

Kevin van der Velden

@Batophobia this is true, still not that stupid

Batophobia

@KevinvanderVelden Never underestimate the stupidity of the general public

Chippies

@KevinvanderVelden you just don't see it, because it's not caught on camera and shown to you

Kevin van der Velden

I am currently downloading middle-earth shadow of mordor btw

MBraedley

@StrixVaria Yes, that's what I thought it would do. Instead, there is no inheritance at all.

StrixVaria

7:42 PM

@MBraedley That could be ok too; I'm not familiar enough with that specific problem to comment.

It depends on how much benefit you get from subclassing.

If you make a subclass but then you have to essentially rewrite from scratch because it's different enough, then there's no reason.

Kevin van der Velden

@Chippies uuh that's not reality tv. Reality tv is putting people in staged situations, prod and poke them for hours until they do something "entertaining" and then cutting that into horribly misleading pieces

GnomeSlice

@fredley trainsportedgame.no-ip.org/index.php

Kevin van der Velden

And I don't underestimate the stupidity of the general public. After all, the general public watches reality tv

MBraedley

@StrixVaria A class for NMEA messages should be able to read and write individual fields, for example. The generic class doesn't do this. The proprietary class does do this (to some extent), but I can't use it to solve my current problem, because I'm working on a message with a standard format.

StrixVaria

@MBraedley Sounds like that generic class is not designed very well.

MBraedley

7:46 PM

@StrixVaria It isn't. It basically can only do one thing.

StrixVaria

This is why Interfaces are nice. You can say "A class for NMEA messages should be able to do these things." and then any specific implementation must be able to do all those things. Of course, this can still be circumvented by implementing methods that just throw "not implemented" exceptions :(

I miss Java.

GnomeSlice

So apparently bandcamp files have a download limit on them.

Yikes.

MBraedley

And it looks like the generic class was implemented after the proprietary class, because there's a bunch of copy/pasted comments that weren't edited.

GnomeSlice

I did not know that, and am not happy to find it out.

Spelunky-inspired music from Super-Crate-Box & Ridiculous Fishing's Musician

Kevin van der Velden

@StrixVaria what language are you using that you can't do that in?

MBraedley

7:48 PM

@StrixVaria I always found doing that was just excessive boilerplate that isn't necessary for source code that never gets released to the wild.

StrixVaria

@KevinvanderVelden Ruby :|

@MBraedley Sometimes it is, but sometimes it's useful.

I've always hated the pattern where you have an interface and then exactly one thing that implements it, ever.

Kevin van der Velden

@StrixVaria huh, well that does make sense in a language with that much ducktyping

(IIRC, never used ruby myself)

Jason Berkan

@StrixVaria I do that to help with future changes.

Frank

Yay. Just wasted an hour because the error logging was pointing me at the wrong spot.

MBraedley

@StrixVaria Yes, that's the specific excessive boilerplate I was referring to. In this instance I don't think an Interface is the right model to begin with, since a NMEA message should be treated as an object. I'd prefer using an abstract class in this case, but even that isn't entirely appropriate, because you can still do stuff on a NMEA message, even if all you know about it is that it's a NMEA message.

@JasonBerkan If the code needs to be dealing with an Interface down the line, it should be relatively easy to create the Interface and refactor the code. Doing it now is just extra work that might not pay off down the line.

Jason Berkan

7:59 PM

@MBraedley In the small, yes. In this case, I put my entire database project behind interfaces defined in the domain, so that there is no link between the two projects. That's something that is a little harder to refactor nicely later on.

Rapitor

Ubisoft on the whole 900p 30fps bit
"We were quickly bottlenecked by CPU and it was a bit frustrating, because we thought that this was going to be a tenfold improvement over everything AI-wise, and we realised it was going to be pretty hard. It's not the number of polygons that affect the framerate. We could be running at 100fps if it was just graphics, but because of AI, we're still limited to 30 frames per second."

Frank

@Rapitor That doesn't really explain why they're stifling what the PS4 is capable of.

StrixVaria

@Rapitor What game is this about?

Rapitor

@Frank really only the Ps4's GPU is superior no? I thought CPU wise they were pretty equal, if not XB1 has the advantage from all the azure cloud computing it touts.

@StrixVaria AC unity

Frank

@Rapitor Which would allow them to offload some more complex graphics, and keep the same AI.

Rapitor

8:06 PM

@Frank and PC is also locked at 30fps 900p (which surprises me)

Frank

And apparently grammar is not my friend today.

MBraedley

@JasonBerkan My whole resistance to unnecessary use of Interfaces came from my senior project, where we had to talk to a database, and the guy on my team who knew databases designed the java just like that. It was all self contained, so there was no need for that separation.

Frank

@Rapitor Which is stupider than locking consoles.

StrixVaria

@Frank If AI is the bottleneck, then how does offloading graphics tasks help?

Too much typing "API" constantly for work.

Frank

@StrixVaria Yeah, that was confusing.

Rapitor

8:07 PM

lol

Frank

There's going to be some calculations done on the CPU that can be transferred to the GPU. Maybe not a lot, but definitely some. Take advantage of the extra horsepower.

Rapitor

Titanfall and Forza offload AI to the servers to do, but seeing as both games are enclosed and small scale they are able to pull off the 60fps (excluding horizon 2)

biut seeing as they are going for parity, and I don't think Microsoft would allow Ubi to use Azure for Ps4 calculations.. if thats even possible

Jason Berkan

@MBraedley I find it extremely useful due to the fact that business stuff changes constantly. I don't want to be caught out due to the VP deciding that Oracle is the way of the future.

MBraedley

@JasonBerkan And yeah, I understand that rational for doing it. I hated having to modify three different files when all I wanted to do was add a simple query, especially since it's something that probably could have been covered in a single file, since we knew we wouldn't be changing databases.

Frank

@Rapitor I think the parity (and especially now that they're doing the same for PC), is an excuse for laziness on their part. They're just spinning it to make it sound apolitical.

Rapitor

8:13 PM

@Frank probably. The only thing Ubi I legitimately still like is UbiArt.

I fear for The Division and Rainbow Six Siege.

then again. Assasins creed is pretty much their cash cow now. they will just do the activision route and milk it until its completely dead

Jason Berkan

@MBraedley It does add a lot of coding for simple stuff.

Powerlord

Back. Had an impromptu meeting in my office so I thought I'd better close this chat.

Incidentally, don't screw around with -J options to javac if you have no idea what you're doing.

Apparently one of our sysadmins did this on one of our J2EE JSP compiler option settings and made the server start throwing Internal Server Errors.

dslreports.com/shownews/…

slow clap Good job Belkin, making your routers not work if they can't access heartbeat.belkin.com

GnomeSlice

8:30 PM

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my fuck this is good

badp

Zone 300 broken~

Zone 300 achievement + 1e37 damage achievement + gilding + 16 hero souls

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