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GnomeSlice

19:02

kickstarter.com/projects/fenrislairstudio/untold-universe

@LessPop_MoreFizz Stop perpetuating this stupid shit

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice Elaborate.

murgatroid99

19:14

@LessPop_MoreFizz Just because some people turned this into a harassment campaign doesn't mean that's the whole story

LessPop_MoreFizz

@murgatroid99 I'm not sure what more there is to the story, considering that it started as a harassment campaign. The other shit was a smokescreen from day one. This is how hate groups have always operated. They make a kind of sort of reasonable sounding argument tangentially related to their cause, and use it to win over 'allies' to alienate their opponents while doing their dirty work.

See also: the marginalization of undocumented immigrants as 'criminals' by racist border warrior nut jobs.

GnomeSlice

Well you're right about that

there is literally no reason for anbody to care about this whole Zoe Quinn thing over any other shitty romance story

LessPop_MoreFizz

If you were really concerned about integrity in games journalism, why not go tear into all of these websites over the shit going on with Zenimax in Ireland right now?

murgatroid99

@LessPop_MoreFizz thefineyoungcapitalists.tumblr.com/post/96578864050/…

That's the other part

Kevin van der Velden

So, should I just star everything @LessPop_MoreFizz has been saying or is that not necessary?

LessPop_MoreFizz

19:18

@GnomeSlice There is plenty of reason to care about the fact that a person is the target of an elaborate smear campaign as well as significant other illegal activity, not to mention death threats over the nonsense that has gone on in her romantic life, which is none of our business.

GnomeSlice

This is true.

FEichinger

...

GnomeSlice

The other stuff is just a joke reason for them to bash her

FEichinger

I thought we had managed to avoid the topic here.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@GnomeSlice I could care less about who she slept with. I care a great deal about the people who seem to think that the fact that she slept with those people makes her a monster that ought to be killed, to have her dirty laundry aired in public, to have her reputation dragged through the gutter over it, etc. etc. etc.

FEichinger

19:20

And from reading this, I guess I'll finally put LessPop on ignore for the sake of my sanity.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FEichinger Bye!

GnomeSlice

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yes.

murgatroid99

Or perhaps this is a better explanation: knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/…

> On August 18, Redditor SillySladar claimed that Quinn intentionally sabotaged a female-centric game development event on the grounds that the idea was oppressive, possibly to promote her own event Rebel Jam (shown below, left).

That's what started it

Or maybe it was this: knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy

> On August 17th, Redditor MannoSlimmins submitted a series of screenshots to provide evidence that Quinn faked being harassed by Wizardchan users to garner support for her game to the /r/TumblrInAction[6] subreddit.

GnomeSlice

Does anybody actually give a shit about any of that

FEichinger

If you think this whole matter is about her personal life, you can - frankly - piss right off. I'm sick of seeing this whole argument getting dismissed as a personal attack on Quinn over and over again.

Kevin van der Velden

19:24

Huh, I did not know half of this, maybe I should pay better attention to this stuff

FEichinger

She's a horrible person for many many reasons, but it has no bearing whatsoever on the argument at hand.

murgatroid99

Honestly, I only really care about it because of the Vivian James thing that came out of it.

FEichinger

There are so many facets of this that don't even have anything to do with Quinn, that I find it offensive to even suggest that this is all just a "harassment campaign".

RedRiderX

@FEichinger Yeah same here

FEichinger

It is not. It's painted as such by the very same press that is being accused of being slanted about such things all the time.

LessPop_MoreFizz

19:27

11 mins ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

@murgatroid99 I'm not sure what more there is to the story, considering that it started as a harassment campaign. The other shit was a smokescreen from day one. This is how hate groups have always operated. They make a kind of sort of reasonable sounding argument tangentially related to their cause, and use it to win over 'allies' to alienate their opponents while doing their dirty work.

9 mins ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

If you were really concerned about integrity in games journalism, why not go tear into all of these websites over the shit going on with Zenimax in Ireland right now?

murgatroid99

1 min ago, by murgatroid99

Honestly, I only really care about it because of the Vivian James thing that came out of it.

I don't give a shit about the "integrity of games journalism"

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 Yeah that was pretty interesting.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@murgatroid99 two different replies. Two different people.

FEichinger

This didn't "start out" as a harassment campaign either. There is no harassment in saying Grayson did not disclose a conflict of interest and to this day refuses to acknowledge it.

murgatroid99

@LessPop_MoreFizz I missed that at first

@LessPop_MoreFizz The quotes I posted seem to constitute evidence to the contrary

RedRiderX

19:29

@FEichinger Well it was literally an angry ex-boyfriend tirade.

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Lazers

0

Q: At what age will a person pass on in Virtual Families 2?

I was re-entering my game because I was playing another app, but when it loaded a notification popped up saying that my Mother had turned 45 and, sure enough, her hair had turned gray. The mother is one year older than the father so I fear that they will both pass on soon leaving the children by...

virtual-families-2

LessPop_MoreFizz

> Up to 200 employees were let go after just three weeks with the company – including a week of training.

There's a story worthy of getting angry about games so-called journalists not doing, y'know, journalism.

Not whether the critic was screwing the artist.

murgatroid99

@LessPop_MoreFizz It's true that there was a large harassment campaign against her, but that doesn't mean that we sould dismiss all other concerns about her actions.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@murgatroid99 Grats on missing the point. I'm done here,

murgatroid99

@LessPop_MoreFizz I didn't miss the point. I disagreed with it

FEichinger

19:32

There was no "large harassment campaign" against her. A lot of the shit she claims is made-up bullshit. There were the exact handful of people harassing her that harass every other public figure just as well.

But she gets to bitch about it. Phil Fish gets to bitch about it. And they get to paint everyone who disagrees with that same brush, because the media pushes the angle further and further.

And, as we found out, it's not just that the media happens to agree on the matter in their slanted view. They actively collaborated to push that view.

murgatroid99

@FEichinger Yeah, this is what bother me about this whole thing. Just because some people harassed her on the internet, they dismiss everything as being about that

FEichinger

This whole thing stopped being about QuinnFish and Sarkeesian within a few days. But they, and games media, keep pretending it's about them. Keep painting everyone as a harasser. Keep calling us names, shaming people who step into the light about it. Are doing the very same thing they are accusing us of.

Powerlord

@LessPop_MoreFizz What were you expecting from the armpit of the Internet?

Lazers

-1

Q: Games that can be played split-screen

I am looking for games where I can play split-screen with the following conditions: Can be played by two players* Requires only a keyboard and a mouse, nothing more* Doesn't require online access* Is a fantasy/RPG genre with a storyline rather than a level to level Has lots of content, enough t...

pc split-screen

FEichinger

Yes, I'm angry about it. Yes, I will tell you to fuck right off if you agree with them. Yes, I'm not going to speak to you again if you agree with them. Yes, that makes me as bad as them in a lot of ways. But after seeing this shit go on for three fucking weeks, I'm drawing lines.

murgatroid99

19:37

@FEichinger I'm not sure if you noticed, but LessPop left about 5 minutes ago. I'm not sure if that's who you are talking to

FEichinger

I'm sick of seeing people I used to respect refuse to have a decent conversation about this. I'm sick of seeing people I used to like dismiss everything with generalizations that are worse than the accusations.

RedRiderX

Well to be honest a lot of people see the shitstorm surrounding it and decide it's not worth their time to wade in.

FEichinger

@murgatroid99 I have noticed. I'm putting it out here, because I have tried so damn hard to avoid this subject in here, because I knew I'd be putting up walls if it came here. And I'm pissed off that it was pulled here after all, and was misrepresented from the start just the same as elsewhere.

Powerlord

So, how about those witch trials?

and by "witch trials" I mean the ones in Layton vs. Wright

FEichinger

@RedRiderX Then don't wade in. That's why I have told people to keep it out of here every time we so much as hinted at the matter.

There is a lot more to the whole thing than those ... what is it now, fifteen? articles about how "gamers are dead" and are the worst and an evil misogynistic cesspool tell you.

RedRiderX

19:41

@FEichinger I personally don't mind, I just wanted to put out there why a lot of people might not be fully informed.

Powerlord

...I'm surprised this hasn't been forcefully moved to Android Hell yet

murgatroid99

@FEichinger slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/…

RedRiderX

@FEichinger I have read quite a bit about the subject, so I know there can be more to the discussion.

@FEichinger Also, you seem to be approaching the angry thrashing stage of an argument, just a heads up

Also before all this I really didn't pay much attention to "Capital J" gaming Journalism anyway.

It all felt a little to bleh

FEichinger

I know I'm approaching that. Because I am fucking angry. Because I hate for this room to become another place where this shit divides people, despite my efforts to the contrary over the last weeks.

MikhailTal

Hey people. I'm looking for a cool game for pc that can be played in co-op split screen with another human player using only 1 keyboard and mouse. I'm looking for something easy, because my friend isn't much of a player.

Kevin van der Velden

19:45

Nidhogg is pretty fun

RedRiderX

@KevinvanderVelden I should really get that

@MikhailTal Rayman Origins perhaps?

Powerlord

@MikhailTal I'm trying to think of the last time I saw a split-screen PC game that doesn't require you to have controllers or such.

RedRiderX

I forget if it's that great with keyboard.

There is also like any LEGO game on PC

Kevin van der Velden

@Powerlord nidhogg =p

murgatroid99

Isn't BoI:Rebirth going to have something like that? Not that I'd call that game easy

RedRiderX

19:48

@KevinvanderVelden Not really co-op

MikhailTal

Any other suggestions?

Kevin van der Velden

Given how recent that game is it's fairly safe to say that

Oh wait, coop

Nevermind =p

Powerlord

I guess that's the one advantage me having a wireless Xbox 360 receiver connected to my PC... I can add more of my 360's controllers just by syncing them.

FEichinger

The LEGO games are actually fairly decent for that.

RedRiderX

JAMESTOWN

How could I forget

Great game

@FEichinger Indeed

FEichinger

19:49

And they're 75% off on GMG right now. ;)

RedRiderX

Are they that great with keyboard though.

FEichinger

@RedRiderX Controller is definitely better, but they work quite well with a keyboard.

RedRiderX

@FEichinger :O

Unionhawk

@FEichinger :O

MikhailTal

What about something fantasy based?

Can Trite 2 be played like that?

RedRiderX

19:50

@MikhailTal LEGO: LOTR

Kevin van der Velden

I doubt it

RedRiderX

Seriously they have DC, Marvel, Potter...

Kevin van der Velden

Really though, get a xbox360 wired controller, they should be cheap enough now adays =p

RedRiderX

amazon.ca/Logitech-940-000110-Gamepad-F310/dp/B003VAHYQY/…

What I have and it's a great pad

MikhailTal

Can't atm.

Blem

19:51

@FEichinger the complet pack is £0.03 more expensive than the games alone :/

Kevin van der Velden

Using the same keyboard is all kinds of nasty because it will not notice if you press a lot of keys.

RedRiderX

@Blem Wait wat

MikhailTal

A friend has invited me to his home for some days

RedRiderX

:O

MikhailTal

And it is in a village

RedRiderX

19:52

N 2.0

I forgot

MikhailTal

No shops there

I go early tomorrow

RedRiderX

thewayoftheninja.org/n.html

MikhailTal

I gotta seed al night

RedRiderX

Some of best Co-op you can get right there if you like platformers and being a ninja

FEichinger

@Blem Yeah, the beauty of rounding.

MikhailTal

19:54

Something with good graphics?

Id like it personally

But its thefriend factor always

FEichinger

Local co-op is really usually a thing for consoles.

MikhailTal

I know

That's the problem

Unionhawk

Yeah, consoles have a huge edge on local coop, it's a lot harder to pull off on a PC

7Blue_Beast7

Hi all!

I was just recommended here a minute ago. Anyone want to play some MU Classic with me?

Its a browser mmorpg.

Kevin van der Velden

Korean browser mmo even

7Blue_Beast7

19:58

What you recommend me play?

Kevin van der Velden

I dunno, everytime I start a MMO I realize MMOs aren't for me

7Blue_Beast7

THis one might be for you

I am lvl 100 for god sakes. Its fun and I can help you lvl.

MikhailTal

So, any other stuff?

RedRiderX

That was quite a bit

I'd recommend The way of the Ninja if you just want something cheap and quick.

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm something turn based might work, but those are usually pretty in depth.

Which won't really work for someone who doesn't play games often

RedRiderX

20:02

Hey why not Hotseat Civ 5

Unionhawk

Oh yeah, that's a thing

7Blue_Beast7

I play games alot

Not super much.

Turn based as in Kinghts Fable and LOA?

murgatroid99

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spugsley

guys

this is fucking hilarious

some asshole guy wrote me a letter in my comments about how to better enjoy my life as a woman. Apparently I am womaning wrong

why do I even bother

7Blue_Beast7

erm...

spugsley

20:05

"Get friends together. Stop it with the texting and face-booking and (gasp) organize a girl gang and get out there. You don't even need any manly men, just five or six of you.

Go enjoy the city, the smells, the lights, the sounds, the greasy foods, the street performers. Go clubbing. Get Chinese food at some crazy all night place at 3:00am.

Groups: a fantastic way to navigate the urban jungle with a 1000% lower chance of getting mugged or assaulted.

Girl groups are also more impenetrable by pick up artists and street harassers. If street harassers are ignorant, you can feel more confiden…

Halp. I are bad a woman.

@ashleynunn do you see this bullshit?

Tim Stone

NOOO I TYPOED ON TWITTER. ALL IS LOST!

spugsley

@TimStone TOO LATE I READS IT

RedRiderX

@TimStone You can delete it

Tim Stone

shuts down the internet

spugsley

@RedRiderX ITS TOO LATE I READS IT ALREADY

Tim Stone

20:06

SEE IT'S TOO LATE

RedRiderX

@spugsley Pics or it didn't happen

Kevin van der Velden

@spugsley that is just weird =/

Tim Stone

YOUR SHENANIGANS WILL NOT WORK

Kevin van der Velden

@7Blue_Beast7 uugh, no, top down mmos not my thing

Sorry :)

spugsley

@KevinvanderVelden omg isn't it though?

Unionhawk

20:08

@spugsley hahahahaha what

FEichinger

@spugsley Yes, because "girl gangs" worked out so well in the UK!

spugsley

@FEichinger I have had actual death threat comments that didn't bother me as much as this. Seriously what dude in his right fucking mind thinks he can sit there and tell me how to woman better

FAE

Evening all

spugsley

@FAE prepare yourself I AM RAGE

also hello

FAE

@spugsley Yet another "it's up to women to protect themselves properly", lovely

spugsley

20:10

also please don't hate me. I'm like one held in breath away from a panic attack right now

Unionhawk

@RedRiderX Thank you for not making me feel alienated by being the only one of my friends who now owns lego games on steam

I am adult

FEichinger

@Unionhawk Hey now!

Tim Stone

@spugsley He even set the bar too low. If anything you should be organizing a girl (not woman mind you, just girl) mafia instead of just a gang. Gotta step it up a notch.

spugsley

@FAE even better is that he apparently knows the magic formula for women not getting attacked

RedRiderX

@Unionhawk I've owned Lego: LOTR for like a year

Unionhawk

20:11

@FEichinger You don't have any of the 4 I bought!

spugsley

@TimStone bahahaha

RedRiderX

But to be honest I get them to play with my young relatives.

Unionhawk

1 min ago, by Unionhawk

I am adult

FEichinger

@RedRiderX This, really.

Kevin van der Velden

@TimStone what about... a girl illuminati

RedRiderX

20:12

But that doesn't mean I don't get IPs I like :P

Unionhawk

Thank you for making me feel alienated again :P

FEichinger

@Unionhawk Well, not my fault you're wrong about your taste in lego games.

Tim Stone

@KevinvanderVelden Now you're just being silly. Get out.

RedRiderX

@FEichinger Oh hell no I love them to bits

FAE

@spugsley Man, I must've missed this memo coming in on our secret woman mailing list

RedRiderX

20:13

I just don't make the time because untill I have someone else to play with

Kevin van der Velden

@TimStone I'm back!

FEichinger

@RedRiderX Read the message I was linking to. ;)

spugsley

@FAE omg I know

Tim Stone

@KevinvanderVelden Whew, we were starting to miss you

Unionhawk

Jesus, this game is 5 GB?

FEichinger

20:14

@Unionhawk They've become surprisingly large, yeah.

Kevin van der Velden

@TimStone I know, but the important thing is you persevered!

Tim Stone

\o/

Unionhawk

But I wanted to reminisce about the times where I'd play lego star wars and whatnot noooooooow

user15026

@spugsley tbh, I am out of spoons for these things.

user15026

Like completely done.

RedRiderX

20:15

@Unionhawk Yeah I never played the original Star Wars ones

I feel like I should get them but I don't want to be disappointed.

Unionhawk

I had the original trilogy at least on PS2

RedRiderX

TT have refined those games so much

user15026

@RedRiderX That was one of my least favourite Lego games

user20683

Tie Fighter is best Stars Wars game

Kevin van der Velden

Star wars pod racer best star wars game

user20683

20:22

@KevinvanderVelden Pod Racer Revenge was pretty solid

user15026

@KevinvanderVelden I actually really liked that game a lot

Kevin van der Velden

I was not joking, that game was awesome =p

user20683

I liked Jax X best out of the "combat racers"

user15026

@KevinvanderVelden Excellent :D

user15026

I love kart racers. Like a lot.

Kevin van der Velden

20:24

I remember going home from school to take turns with a friend trying to beat each others time

user15026

My cousin and I played SO MUCH of it

7Blue_Beast7

So no one wants to play with me

Kevin van der Velden

Well I'd game with you, just not that game =p

7Blue_Beast7

Do you like sidescrolling games like Knights Fable?

Kevin van der Velden

Eeh not really

RedRiderX

20:28

@AshleyNunn Oh? Why was that?

Kevin van der Velden

Hmm, I think I'm gonna install hearthstone

7Blue_Beast7

What is so bad about top down games....

?

spugsley

@StrixVaria @Frank doing any rifting today or tonight?

Kevin van der Velden

I don't like them

Personal preference

RedRiderX

@KevinvanderVelden If they made it available on Android I would probably play the heck out of it

Frank

20:28

@spugsley Imma rifting right now!

user15026

@RedRiderX It frustrated me a lot more than the others did. Might have been my choice of console thought

7Blue_Beast7

@KevinvanderVelden Well KF you get to play beast and stuff.

RedRiderX

@AshleyNunn Frustrated how?

They were always pretty straightforward games

spugsley

@Frank :O may I join you?

Frank

@spugsley No. It's MINE. ALL MINE!

user15026

20:29

@RedRiderX I found the controls icky

Frank

Of course you can. :P

spugsley

DDDDDDDDDD:

Kevin van der Velden

@7Blue_Beast7 I generally play FPS and RTS games

spugsley

okay :3

7Blue_Beast7

@KevinvanderVelden What browser RTS would you recomend or FPS?

RedRiderX

20:30

@7Blue_Beast7 Browser based?

Kevin van der Velden

@7Blue_Beast7 I never said browser based

RedRiderX

Brickforce is really great if you can swallow all the F2P bullshit

That game makes me so sad :(

Airmech is a F2P RTS with direct control of a "Hero"

7Blue_Beast7

My best space game is pirate galaxy

Which also reminds me.... EVE online

Blem

►

7Blue_Beast7

Is the mod Ashely Nunn's name real?

Powerlord

20:38

@7Blue_Beast7 I could saw Yes, but it'd be better if @AshleyNunn actually were to answer that instead of me just guessing.

Kevin van der Velden

Hearthstone why you so slow? Only 2 MB/s :(

GnomeSlice

Kevin van der Velden

Aah, see! Complaining helps it's already faster

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 Last I checked it is. Although you spelled it wrong :P

Powerlord

@Frank Oh yeah, I started playing Metroid Prime: Hunters after a storm knocked power out in the area last night for 7 hours. I'm amazed at how quickly I got used to the left hand on the controller, right hand stylus controls. Although jumping is a bit wonky.

GnomeSlice

20:40

►

fuck yes

And now I need to go to work

7Blue_Beast7

@GnomeSlice Hhahahahaa go spidey!!

user15026

@GnomeSlice Have fun :)

GnomeSlice

@Powerlord It does play remarkably well.

I really enjoyed Hunters.

Too bad the multiplayer got full of hackers

7Blue_Beast7

@Powerlord Metroid Prime is the game man!!!!1!

Powerlord

@7Blue_Beast7 I've played Prime 1-3 before, but never Hunters... which is a DS game.

My only complaint is about the low res on the 3D makes it hard to see enemies at a distance... which sucks during mini-boss battles versus hunters

Lazers

20:43

0

Q: Is there a way to put kids up for adoption in Virtual Families 2?

This may sound mean ( because it is ), but I want to put one of my kids for adoption. REASONS: I can't tell if it's a boy or girl. It's name is Benghi. I just naturally hate it. :( I know its mean but I just want to know: Can you put infants/kids up for adoption? That way he/she still gets a...

virtual-families-2

7Blue_Beast7

@Lazers Hm...

Well its a game but yeah it is kinda mean

Why don't she or he just accept the child and continue you from there.

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 Who knows, who cares.

7Blue_Beast7

Well you said that like you are mean ^

Jesus I was just stating some things

Unionhawk

Isn't there another way to get rid of it? Looks like meat's back on the menu boys — Mathias711 9 mins ago

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 AS was I.

Lazers

20:50

0

Q: Can people pass on because of sickness in Virtual Families 2?

If, for example, a kid got sick and you never gave the kid medicine, would they pass on? I just wanna know cuz my peeps always go out when it's snowing. Thx :)

virtual-families-2

Unionhawk

user15026

@Unionhawk I wish I remembered what game a firend was playing where you could use people for meat (though it made everyone sad and grouchy and sick)

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn You get on @7Blue_Beast7's case for typoing your name, and then you type "firend" in a message a few minutes later? :P

StrixVaria

@spugsley I'm not going to be home for a while but my main focus atm is my seasonal character.

user20683

@Powerlord Names > Friends

Unionhawk

20:53

Wait, if @AshleyNunn typos, doesn't that mean she has to delete @Wipqozn's account? Isn't that how it works?

RPi Awesomeness

@Unionhawk ermehgosh...it's so cute!

user20683

@Unionhawk Wipqozn is to blame, I am at fault.

RPi Awesomeness

Is that yours?

Powerlord

@WorldEngineer You mean Names > Firends ? :D

user20683

Deleting me, however, is impossible.

Powerlord

20:54

@WorldEngineer I will delete the World if I so choose. :|

RPi Awesomeness

Anyone here know if RAIDMAX cases are any good?

Unionhawk

@RPiAwesomeness No.

Powerlord

...deleting the world just made me think of the .hack series.

user15026

@Powerlord My name is autocomplete!

7Blue_Beast7

@Powerlord Maybe but who said you could?

user15026

20:55

@Unionhawk You obvs don't see me type a lot

7Blue_Beast7

@AshleyNunn Obviously*

Unionhawk

@AshleyNunn I just wanted to make that joke.

user20683

Obliviously

7Blue_Beast7

Ah crud

user15026

@WorldEngineer snorts

7Blue_Beast7

20:56

Couldn't you stay quiet.

user20683

@7Blue_Beast7 No.

7Blue_Beast7

erm...

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 Why?

user20683

@7Blue_Beast7 Ermine?

RPi Awesomeness

WEASELS! AHA! I KNEW WE'D BEEN INVADED!

user15026

20:58

@RPiAwesomeness hands you riot gear Fight on, brave soul

RPi Awesomeness

RAWR

7Blue_Beast7

@AshleyNunn erm... is not what you think and don't you try it

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