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14:00
double jump wasn't enough to let me reach half the secrets in my run
I don't know if there are better midair movement powers you can have from the start
@badp I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but the final boss is called The Gumball Machine?
@GraceNote yes
Is this a reference I've missed?
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Q: Football Manager 2013 Internet Requirement

Amarjeet SinghI want to know that how much of mb i have to browse or download for football manager 2013 pc game. How much of mb is required to install football manager 2013 or how much time it will take.

@badp hey, are people in here finally playing Tower of Guns?
Today's Listening | 80's/synthwave/electronic
14:13
oh man, "NG+" spikeroom is tough
@Lazers "how much of mb" ... My head hurts.
dropped me from full health + 5 health bonuses down to half health
@FEichinger Not everybody speaks english natively you know.
@GnomeSlice I LP'd it around Steam release time. Haven't played so much since though
Hooray, people are playing a game I talked about!
Or is that just because it was in a humble thing
14:15
...stage 8 is a boss rush
this was unexpected
oh nevermind
just two towers
@Blem Man, Sisyphus sucks if it's taken him this long to roll the boulder up 2,000 times.
"the tog-o-drome"
@Yuki 5,000 actually, and maybe it's just a really big hill!
@GnomeSlice I got a press code from joe
@KevinvanderVelden And/or a really big rock.
14:18
And besides, everyone remembers Sisyphus but nobody brings up Tantalus.
@GnomeSlice That's just silly. Everyone is born knowing perfect English.
Morning, Bridge
@KevinvanderVelden IIRC, he rolled it up once a day, so that's over 13 years.
@MBraedley see the comic Yuki was replying to, in it it says 5000, not 2000 as Yuki stated
@Yuki Tantalus doesn't illustrate quite as well
14:20
@Yuki the guy who get's his entrails eaten out by vultures constantly also has a pretty bad after-life
@KevinvanderVelden I know, 5000 days is 13 years
and change
... ooh nvm, I read you wrong then :)
@TimStone So Omni, in other words?
@KevinvanderVelden Geek mythology is pretty nasty. Which is pretty funny when people complain about God of War. Aside from being OP, Kratos doesn't seem all too out of place
@BenBrocka Geek mythology, hm?
14:22
Have an R!
@Kevin Yeah, but Hercules frees Prometheus during his 12 Labors, I believe.
Not as one of his tasks, but just because he happened to be there.
I'm not that well versed in G(r)eek mythology =p
@Kevin That's probably a good thing. All you really need to know is that the Greek gods were jerks.
14:26
Ooh that I know! Even if just from reading persy jackson (though I knew before that)
Like Grade-S-because-the-USDA-can't-rank-that-high jerks.
@Yuki And inbreeders like nobody else.
Hercules had to perform his 12 Labors because he murdered his wife and kids in a fit of blind rage, which was caused by Hera.
And who assigned his punishments? Hera, IIRC.
Still not as bad as Job I'd say
When I say "cause", she literally majicked him into a blind rage.
14:30
Hmmm that's pretty bad
that's fuct
@KevinvanderVelden oh COME ON
@GnomeSlice welcome to religion, where people worship some of the most fucked up beings
@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, not gonna go there.
@BenBrocka dude, that was literally satan saying to god "I bet you he's only loyal because you gave him stuff" and god going "well let's take it all away, then torture him, then kill him"
14:32
And then there was Andromeda, who was set to be sacrificed (eaten by a giant sea monster) to Poseidon because her mother claimed she was more beautiful than a bunch of mermaids.
@KevinvanderVelden If I'm thinking of the right story, didn't God kill his entire family?
@Wipqozn yup
@GnomeSlice hey! I only went halfway, nowhere did I use the word imagine
@KevinvanderVelden Wait ... that I remember that ... It also appeared in south park.
Greek mythology is nuts
everybody has such an awful life
Not her. She didn't claim to be more beautiful (unlike Arachne), her mother said and she gets punished.
14:34
@KevinvanderVelden fyi, that got flagged. I marked it as invalid, but I can see why people took offence to it. We have quite a few religious people in here, so you might want to be more careful in the future.
@Wipqozn Technically, he didn't. He just let Satan do it.
I was married to a witch that killed her children.
There's a lot of people getting punished for things that are not their fault in Greek mythology.
...Well that escalated quickly.
joke

head
14:36
@Jason Granted, you were a bit of a dick to her.
@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, that's pretty fucked up. I also enjoy the story about Jesus cursing a fig tree for not being in season.
@Wipqozn we're talking about beings who order eternal torment, sorry but that's pretty fucked up
@KevinvanderVelden Yaaay! The flag didn't stand!
@Yuki I was.
14:37
@Adnan THE CENTER CANNOT HOLD HELD!
yep it's all over
@Yuki There's a lot of people getting punished for things that are not their fault everywhere, not only in Greek mythology.
@BenBrocka it b ded, yo
@TimStone I like when I see that happen in SE.
@Arperum Never said it only happens in Greek mythology, it's just that almost every punishment meted out in Greek mythology was undeserved.
14:39
I see, we have a visitor.
@KevinvanderVelden I'm not a huge fan of many religions either, but I do try to be careful about what I say as not to offend our religious folk.
@KevinvanderVelden :/
@FEichinger Just responding to a shitty flag.
Just because you don't agree with a flag doesn't mean it's "shitty".
14:41
@GnomeSlice sorry, simple fact: eternal torment is fucked up, I don't care who ordered it
@GnomeSlice Oh, please don't get me wrong. I don't think you should think it's shitty, but I have every right to think it's shitty.
@Adnan It was. This is the internet. People need to grow thicker skin.
Just because you don't think that it's shitty, that doesn't mean you should force your opinion on me.
@Frank Well, that makes it the two of us who think that.
@KevinvanderVelden Then he gave him a new one back, though! Because, y'know, that makes it alright, yeah?
14:43
@Frank But the Internet is powered by overzealous reactions from people with thin skin!
"use constant bit rate of 400 kb/s"
@GnomeSlice Now that is a personal insult. I won't return it because I was raised better.
@Adnan Well, that's most of us, here in the Bridge.
bit rate: 516 kb/s
We can usually handle such flags ourselves, though.
14:43
@Adnan there's no need to return insults, you can just flag them.
Something something do we really need to do this pants on head stupid flag ritual dance every time?
@SaintWacko oh yeah! Because obviously women are all interchangeable
@KevinvanderVelden Right? Women and children
@badp I'm not a big fan of flagging insults or returning them.
@Union But I like dancing...
14:44
@SaintWacko jup, same damn thing
@Adnan Insults directed at somebody violate the "be nice" part of the faq
so they're usually justified.
@Yuki well at least keep your pants on. No need to put them on your head.
Although, if you're not a regular in a room, I'd recommend just leaving the room
@badp Fantastic, and as a mod you have every right to act on it. As a normal user, I have the choice to flag or not. I choose not to.
@Adnan You might. I ain't. Especially when we've dealt with this before.
14:45
WARNING: INCOMING MOD SPASMS
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
Well, this is stupid
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@Union What if I'm not wearing pants?
... wat?
SERIOUSLY PEOPLE
@GnomeSlice Oh, miten söpö!
14:45
I am serious
what was the original flag btw?
@badp Something about religions.
I have a problem with people going into rooms they're not normally a part of and flagging/validating flags
Oh, right, that one
@badp I think it was the heads up their ass comment
@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, it was
14:46
religion... LOL
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@SaintWacko this last flag was raised by, and validated by, room regulars.
that is all
The previous flag about religion was also raised by a regular.
14 mins ago, by Kevin van der Velden
@GnomeSlice welcome to religion, where people worship some of the most fucked up beings
@Adnan ei, ei, ei
14:46
@KevinvanderVelden We can all blame this whole thing on you though.
So yeah, this whole "visitors" stuff does not really hold, mmkay?
@3ventic Miks?
@Arperum meh, we were talking about ancient greek religion, where... well what I said
I saw the religion flag but left it for others to deal with
14:47
So about that Transistor game
@badp I understand that this is the case this time. That was more of a general comment, although this was heavily involving a visitor
@TylerShads Doesn't that come out today?
@KevinvanderVelden I am not disagreeing with you, I just direct blame to you.
@badp Thank you for being reasonable
@Frank fuck yes it does
1p EST
14:47
@Ben His body is ready, after all.
The soundtrack got leaked this morning on YT, its....sooooo good
@TylerShads Not sure if I'll get it; sounds interesting, but I never finished Bastion.
@TylerShads Uggghhh. I wish it weren't only on Steam :(
I want to play it
@SaintWacko PS4
reads up on the transcript Could we, like, not talk about who flagged what?
14:50
@GnomeSlice That's even worse
@SaintWacko PS4
@GnomeSlice Oh, you're back. Welcome back.
@SaintWacko I wouldn't hold my breath for a DRM-Free release, sorry.
@FEichinger It's not like there were any specifics
In fact, could we stop the whole "hurr durr flags" dance... yet again?
14:50
@GnomeSlice Bastion is DRM-free
@SaintWacko We'll see.
I wonder if I can download it on Steam, then copy it somewhere else
@FEichinger I like the hurr durr flags dance.
@Frank For how games have been lately, rehashes and pre-release bullshit, that Dev actually puts time and effort into the style of the game. I'd heavily suggest finishing Bastion and watch some vids on Transistor, That Dev is going places.
@TylerShads I don't mind them, but they're not really my style.
14:51
Fair enough :D
@Adnan I don't, because telling people they're stupid for flagging something just because some people disagree with the flag is utterly pointless and hostile.
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Q: How does Veil of Discord damage amplification works?

TonySniperHow does it works? A: Removing a hero's inate 25% magic reduction, leaving them with 0% magic reduction. B: Amplifying the spell damage by 25%, i.e. 100dmg spell now does 125 damage, then it is reduced by the hero's MR C: Reducing the current hero's MR by 25% (magina spellshield/pudge flesh he...

I AM looking forward to SAO: Hollow Fragment, though.
Crypt of the necrodancer seems interesting
@3ventic Yeeeeeeeee
also
14:52
@3ventic The music alone makes me want to play..and subsequently suck at...taht game
> Flagship is a real-time strategy game set on a galactic scale, played from a first person perspective. Command your fleet from the bridge of your ship, explore the stars and expand your territory.
Seriously, the flag dance is beyond pants on head, it's annoying, and... Yes.
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I CLAIM THIS LAND
@TylerShads dustforce.com
@SaintWacko I get it
@GnomeSlice I realllly need to pick up that game, I loved Meatboy
14:54
@GnomeSlice GOOD
@TylerShads Dustforce is one of the singularly most frustrating and rewarding games I have ever played.
And it's much harder than meat boy.
More frustrating than FTL?
Also the music is fantastic: lifeformed.bandcamp.com/album/fastfall
@TylerShads FTL is frustrating because you spend like an hour on it and then die anyway.
Dustforce is all about doing the same shit over and over and over and over until you get it perfect.
@GnomeSlice lol. An hour
Roguelike noob :P
14:57
Try spending 12 hours on a character and then losing it while going for the orb on Zot:5
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Q: Are there any armor and weapon changes for the main characters?

Ice-9I'm playing Conception 2 and I noticed that I haven't changed my main character or any of the heroine's armor or weaponry... pretty much ever (except when I got the free armor and weapon DLC, but... I mean, does that count?). One of my heroines is pathetically weak in comparison to the others as ...

@SaintWacko Have you played NEO Scavenger?
@GnomeSlice Yeah, not in a while, though
That game is hardcore
I haven't played it in a while either, but it's been getting pretty steadily updated.
@GnomeSlice Yeah, although it gets pretty easy after a while
14:59
@SaintWacko lol not for me
If you pick the right perks, that is
Botany or trapping
@FEichinger One of the best way I can think of to stop hurr durr flag dances is to crank the ban to 11 during hurr durr flag dances. How does that sound? :P
@SaintWacko I remember 50+ hours hardcore characters dying a stupid death in Sacred 2. And I know of people who went to pvp with 100+ hours hardcore characters...
I don't think I've ever used traps in NEO Scavenger
@Arperum It's a little different in a game where hardcore is a choice
15:00
(yes, pvp death counts as a regular death and means character = gone)
@SaintWacko It's always a choice. There is always the choice of not playing hardcore games.
@badp sounds like a plan
@GnomeSlice saw that as well, it looks great too...gahhh i need to keep out of this game trap...I like having money
@TylerShads Then this is a dangerous place to hang out
15:02
for the interested I'm streaming stage 11 of ToG
www.twitch.tv/bp__
@TylerShads don't worry! The steam sale is probably coming soon to take care of that probl... oh wait you like having money.
OH GOD I FORGOT THERE IS A SUMMER SALE
@TylerShads WE'RE ALL DOOMED
My library is at 100, I thought by getting there it would end...but no...nooooo
15:06
@TylerShads see, I've immunised myself because my gaming PC's motherboard is kaput
@GnomeSlice That's 100 on my steam library
I have many more elsewhere :D
@TylerShads Me too! :D
Hooray for buying games from places that aren't Steam!
you guys are exstream
@GnomeSlice Ugh, I clicked the link, and then cringed because steam defaults to Dutch here.
15:10
@TylerShads Rymdkapsel is excellent. I've heard the desktop release has more stuff in it, but the mobile version is awesome on my tablet.
@Arperum Dutch is the worst
I'm fine with buying games from places that aren't steam but ideally I still want a steam code to keep everything in steam for one-stop redownloads, big picture and cloud saves
Or well, not the worst, that honor goes to Flemish
@BenBrocka Do you not buy games if they aren't available on Steam?
@GnomeSlice Mobile is one place I don't like buying games unfortunately
15:11
@TylerShads Good thing it's available for desktops now. ;)
Speaking of mobile games, Hoplite is addicting.
CC @badp @AshleyNunn @StrixVaria @RedRiderX
@GnomeSlice I have several, but ideally with Steam opening up I hope most/all non-steam stores offer steam keys
@FEichinger I FLAGGED THIS
I buy on whatever platform gives the most money to the dev--usually Itch.io, humble or steam in that order. I'm not sure what the revshare of gog/desura/etc are
@BenBrocka What's itch and humble's cut?
I forget.
itch is currently 0, planned 10% (presumably they're waiting for a larger library before instituting it)
15:13
Ah, I was wondering about that.
Yeah they said they take no cut.
I forget exactly what humble's cut is, I know it's worse than itch's, better than Steam's
And then they said they take a cut somewhere else.
THE FOREST EARLY ACCESS WAS DELAYED TILL THE 30TH :(
CC @GnomeSlice
Which is okay.
@OrigamiRobot wtf, why
Oh, IGS might be better than humble then
15:14
REASONS
@BenBrocka I really like IGS. Their store is similar to humble, it's just nobody is using it.
They need better sorting options though.
> We are releasing this month! A couple days later than our target date to fix some last minute issues. We’re going to be out on May30th!
That's not too bad I guess,.
does IGS do steam keys? That's part of why I prefer humble and itch, they're very clear about that, and often let you get steam keys in addition to DRM free (though apparently steam games can be DRM free but I'm not sure what the deal is with that)
WELL NOW AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO PLAY THE FOREST OR THE STOMPING LAND THIS FRIDAY
15:16
@GnomeSlice Discovery is issue number one. No stores do it well
@BenBrocka Check out shinyloot, they have a really neat sorting system
steam's tags are probably the most forward thinking model but they're not promoted that well...or necessarily used that well
stream has tags?
steam tags are useless right now
popular games get filled up with incorrect and troll tags
and obscure games only get as far as
@MattЭллен I think it might still be beta. But yes
@GnomeSlice You don't need tags to find popular games.
@BenBrocka That's shinyloot's discovery system ^
Bunny Must Die had half useful tags. IIRC it was indie, metroidvania, hardcore and something else...metrodvania and hardcore are definitely relevant
@JasonBerkan You do if you aren't a big gamer.
@GnomeSlice ugh, casual as a genre
@GnomeSlice Wow
surface pro 3 announced 1440p
@GraceNote ouch
they moved the windows logo, not sure if like
@GraceNote winces
15:22
@BenBrocka not bad. I think devs are going to have to understand how people think about their games for it to be amazing, but it's a good start
@GraceNote That's... a shame. :(
Can anyone check if Dark Souls 2 is tagged with or for me?
I think I remember someone mentioning that it was on Reddit.
Turns out that uberwins do count even in endless mode
@badp I really need to play that
But I'm playing Factorio right now
The funny thing is
I made it to stage 14
to do that I defeated the final boss twice
(and the finaler boss once, yknow, for the uberwin)
(spoilerssss)
As a result I got 2 wins and 1 uberwin in 1 life
in other words the "wins/deaths" ratio on the stats screen can "easily" go above 100%
15:30
lol he (deliberately) dropped the surface 3 on stage
carpeted stage is cheating though
my tablets drop about once every two weeks or so
on hard surfaces
just don't get portable tech anywhere near a key or other screen scratching implements and you'll generally be fine
I think this is a metal case not a rubber one like the n7 though
@BenBrocka so? it can get scratched on all sides?
New Rout art. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
It's more impressive if the metal case takes a beating well--the rubber is pretty hard to beat
some people don't like rubber cases but I think the n7 2013 feels fine
I actually don't like the cold-to-the-touch effect of the ipad
15:35
@Ben That's annoying if you're trying to relax with it.
The sudden cold is ugh.
it warms up in a couple minutes but it's annoying to first pick up
has anyone used a type cover on a Surface? I'm skeptical of typing on it
this surface event is destroying my productivity. These guys are just interesting enough to listen to despite the incredibly slow pace
price is going to suck I can tell
@OrigamiRobot That seems a bit pricey for what it does. I guess the ability to play as an instant is worth it though.
@Fluttershy 7 to Wrath at instant speed is pretty good.
@OrigamiRobot I guess. I'm just trying to figure out why you'd need to wrath at instant speed. <_<
15:53
@BenBrocka I've tried it in a shop in Munich and, while it didn't feel super awesome, it felt better than virtual keyboards
That's the first version of the type cover though.
I meant more compared to a standard laptop keyboard (bad but acceptable considering it's about the best you can get)
this one is a bit bigger
pro 3 is 12" 3:2
eh... didn't they also sell a "proper" laptop keyboard with the gen1 surface?
it also had USB ports and whatnot.
@Fluttershy Because in multiplayer, a lot can happen between your turns.
@badp you mean "typecover" or was there something else?
@BenBrocka shouldn't you be able to use any keyboard on a Surface since it runs windows and has USB ports?
15:56
@BenBrocka the one with actual keys?
@Chippies I guess, sorta ruins the form factor though
does the surface 3 actually have USB ports?
@BenBrocka well, do you want the form factor (which is horrible touch-type keyboard with retarded accessories) or do you want to type comfortably? :P
@badp I'm sure it has something, but I haven't seen for sure
clicking the pen turns it on! Neat

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