The Bridge

Sterno

17:00

There are things worth discussing about Castle?

GnomeSlice

New game announcement from the creators of Guacamelee

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user15026

@Yuki I am so far behind but perhaps I will try to get caught up :)

Origami Robot

bwahahaha

Sterno

I hate those fancy restaurants with a guy who sits around in the restroom with you

It results in a lot of awkward not-peeing.

Krazer

@Yuki Typically, yes.

Origami Robot

17:05

No more awkward than any other person in the bathroom.

Wipqozn

@Sterno Low-quality restaurants have those people, except they're not employees.

Origami Robot

Until you wash your hand and they try to hand you a towel or w/e. That's when it gets awkward

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot Except he's specifically paid to make you not pee

At least when I'm in there with other people who are peeing, we're all in there to do the same thing.

Origami Robot

I don't care what they're doing. Other people in the bathroom are always awkward.

Krazer

@Sterno maybe they're constipated

Sterno

17:07

Raise your hand if you've swallowed sadness and shame while flushing the urinal and walking away even though you didn't pee.

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Origami Robot

In fact, I think there are more chances for more awkwardness from other bathroom patrons than from attendants.

@Sterno Using a urinal is your problem there.

Sterno

Also, I've wiped baby butts. One wipe is a lie.

Origami Robot

@Sterno Those wipes are for gentleman poops, not baby poops.

Wipqozn

Everyone knows gentleman don't poop.

Chippies

such a crazy looking axe :O

Unionhawk

17:11

That's supposed to be an axe? o_O

Sterno

Boob plates in armor are so stupid.

Chippies

@Unionhawk 2H axe

badp

@agent86 and now I sit back and weep

I wonder how far off I've gone in terms of TL:DR;

Unionhawk

@Chippies It looks like a Final Fantasy sword

Krazer

Skyrim with the Cyberith Virtualizer + Oculus Rift + Wiimote:

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Chippies

17:12

StrixVaria

@Chippies I really like that shield.

Unionhawk

Ah.

Damn

Sterno

@badp You did it wrong. Proper procedure is to post on Arqade first, have it closed, get mad about it, and then have someone helpful tell you to ask on reddit. YOU TOOK A SHORTCUT

Krazer

@Chippies :O is that the bounty axe?

badp

@Sterno Arqade doesn't do tables

also I did ask on Arqade

chat.arqade, anyway

Chippies

17:13

@Krazer I... don't remember. Wife got it, and I took it for transmog, so it can't be from a bounty.

Unionhawk

DOESN'T COUNT

Wipqozn

TIL @badp is a Formula1 fan.

badp

@Wipqozn I do follow it.

Krazer

@Chippies oh! Skywarden and the Hallowed set shield!

Chippies

@Krazer all the fancy stuff on me is fake, it's just transmogs :(

Krazer

17:22

@Chippies the fancy stuff are too hard to get

Chippies

@Krazer or when you get it, it's worse than your yellow stuff :/

like my shield and fancy looking axe

Yuki

@Chippies Oh, you got that axe too?

And is the shield Akarat's Awakening?

Chippies

@Yuki my wife got it, I just took it for transmog

Yuki

@Chippies Ah. It's pretty awesome, both in looks and gameplay.

Chippies

@Yuki Hallowed Bulkwark

SaintWacko

17:27

@Chippies Oh, that's clever. I hadn't thought about that

Yuki

On kill, chance to recover 25% of primary resource makes for fast mob skills with Blessed Shield.

Chippies

@SaintWacko whenever someone in party gets a legendary I don't have, I ask to hold it for transmog

@Yuki I don't have your fancy shield, so I use blessed hammer instead and I never have problems with wrath :)

and the axe had worse stats than what I'm using

but it's nice for transmog

it's not very fancy, but I have yet to find a better weapon...

Krazer

@Chippies is the bleed useful?

Wipqozn

@LessPop_MoreFizz A local bar (or strip club... I'm not sure) has installed a bitcoin ATM. Just thought you'd want to know.

StrixVaria

@Yuki I got a 1-handed flail that made Blessed Shield free.

I salvaged it.

Chippies

17:34

@Krazer it does add a nice DoT

not the most useful stat, but it does help a bit

Yuki

@StrixVaria It's the only 1hander I would ever possibly consider equpping.

Frank

Wee! Lunch break on first day.

Krazer

@Frank What's for lunch?

StrixVaria

I think I want to try using a Crusader with a fast 1-handed weapon and see if that makes him more fun.

user15026

@Frank I totally forgot my lunch today :( and I can't really leave because like ten million sports are finishing soon :P

user15026

17:36

So tomorrow I will be better prepared. I am glad I grabbed a giant breakfast :D

Krazer

@StrixVaria personally I'd like to have: us.battle.net/d3/en/artisan/blacksmith/recipe/golden-scourge

StrixVaria

@Krazer That seems pretty good.

GnomeSlice

Is there any way to lower the difficulty in Dark Souls?

user15026

I wish the star list etc could scroll independently so I could see more stars on this tiny screen

StrixVaria

All I want: us.battle.net/d3/en/item/quetzalcoatl

GnomeSlice

17:38

@AshleyNunn Ctrl -

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I can't wait to find this and tell you about it right before I salvage it

user15026

@GnomeSlice Then I won't be able to read anything, I already have chat set to really zoomed out :P

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I would only hate you forever if you found it in the same game as me and did that.

I have only bought helms from Kadala all weekend.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria That would be too mean.

Frank

@Krazer KFC

Origami Robot

17:39

But that's unlikely since YOU'RE ALWAYS IN A FULL PARTY!

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I have never once been able to finish a rift without someone joining the game.

GnomeSlice

k fuck dark souls

I can't even get past the first skeletons in the firelink whatever

Krazer

@GnomeSlice before the the catacombs?

GnomeSlice

@Krazer shrug I'm outside and there's a giant bird on a wall and some skeletons in a graveyard along a cliff

Chippies

@GnomeSlice you're not supposed to go to the graveyard

GnomeSlice

17:44

@Chippies There's stuff there for me to take

user15026

@Frank So jelly

Origami Robot

Also, I finally forced myself to read enough of the 2nd Mistborn book for me to be interested. cc @StrixVaria @Frank

GnomeSlice

I can kick the first two over the edge but the next two always kill me

Chippies

@GnomeSlice run through, pick up the stuff, leave

GnomeSlice

@Chippies what, why

I need to learn to fight

StrixVaria

17:44

@OrigamiRobot Woo!

Chippies

@GnomeSlice how about you learn to fight on stuff that's NOT meant for later game?

GnomeSlice

@Chippies ?? It's the first level

Chippies

no one fights those skeletons at first, you WILL die

GnomeSlice

wtf

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria The alternative was talk to my sister on a 5 hour car ride. I chose the less painful option.

Chippies

17:45

@GnomeSlice have you considered looking around? graveyard is not the only path

GnomeSlice

They told me to go up to ring a bell or something

Chippies

@GnomeSlice so you went down instead

GnomeSlice

@Chippies No, I went up

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Just thinking about reading during a car ride is making me feel like I have to vomit.

Chippies

@GnomeSlice graveyard is not up

GnomeSlice

17:46

@Chippies Yes it is.

There's a ruined building with some water in it

then you go out along the cliff

StrixVaria

If I look at my phone for more than 5 seconds to look something up while the car is moving, I have to lean back and take deep breaths to recover.

I hate it.

GnomeSlice

and there's a graveyard

with some shit in it

Origami Robot

I don't get any kind of motion sick.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Jealous.

badp

@Krazer how's a skin so much more different than a hat?

Origami Robot

17:47

Reading while in a car just makes me sleepy.

Chippies

@GnomeSlice go back to the fireplace, look in the opposite direction of the sitting dude while standing next to the fireplace. GO THAT WAY

Origami Robot

But just being in a car makes me sleepy.

GnomeSlice

@Chippies That goes down

I want to go up

Chippies

@GnomeSlice sigh

GnomeSlice

he said I could go up or down

Sterno

17:47

@StrixVaria My wife's the same way. She has to be the one who drives everywhere or she gets sick just from riding. She also had to lay down once for about 2 hours to recover after watching about 2 minutes of me playing Portal.

Krazer

@badp hats are multi-functional

badp

@StrixVaria you're a native English speaker so voice search shouldn't hate you

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Can you sleep in a car while it's moving?

StrixVaria

@Sterno I can play Portal without getting sick at all. I can also be the passenger in a car as long as I'm looking out the front window without issue.

GnomeSlice

As long as whatever I'm looking at in the car is also moving, I'm fine.

I can play actiony phone games without getting sick.

Sterno

17:48

@StrixVaria She might be able to play Portal, though hasn't tried. It was the watching of me playing that got her.

StrixVaria

It's when I look down at my phone or at a book in my lap while the car is moving that I get sick.

GnomeSlice

But if it stops moving I get sick

StrixVaria

@badp I guess as long as I have it dictate the answer back to me...

@OrigamiRobot Yes.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Huh, weird.

StrixVaria

I don't get motion sick from trying to sleep in a moving car, but I do have mini panic attacks since I generally don't trust other drivers.

Lazers

17:52

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Q: What stats do different damage types scale off of?

I have seen lots of controversy about this when it comes to fire (pyromancy) saying it is Int AND Fai and other say it is Int OR Fai. I am assuming that spells like dark and fire are based off the same stats as added fire or dark weapon damage. Here is what I think and would like to verify: No...

dark-souls-2

user15026

@StrixVaria I tend to do the same - especially when certain people are driving. But ever since the accident I was in a couple winters ago, I find I am super twitchy in a car

Chippies

@GnomeSlice when you're at the fireplace, go towards the big mountain thing and walk to the right next to it, there's a path that goes up towards a bridge

Origami Robot

I never get scared when other people are driving. I don't know why.

GnomeSlice

how many fucking skeletons are in this place

I'm kicking them all over the edge of the cliff

fuck I fell off

I hate this game

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn @OrigamiRobot @DarkSoulsPeople: How fucked are you if you lose all your souls to some bullshit?

Wipqozn

17:56

@GnomeSlice Dark Souls?

GnomeSlice

@Chippies I went towards the mountain

badp

@StrixVaria If you search with voice it should speak at least the first result back

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn yes

StrixVaria

@badp I will try this out at some point.

badp

of course if the first hit is not a card, that might not be helpful

StrixVaria

17:56

Searching with voice always feels super awkward, though, especially if there's anyone else nearby.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria It sucks, but you just get them back by killing enemies.

Chippies

@GnomeSlice did you see the bridge? That's where you're supposed to go

badp

so it would work for "nearby bakery" but not for "harry potter fanfics"

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria It's not a big deal. You just get souls by killing enemies, so you can always get back what you lose.

badp

Given that you probably search for "harry potter fanfics" on a daily basis, that might be a deal breaker

StrixVaria

17:58

Ok, that doesn't sound as bad as I was led to believe.

GnomeSlice

@Chippies No, there's no bridge

Origami Robot

What sucks is when you get locked into the backstab animation and the target falls of a cliff in the middle of it and you're pulled to your doom because the animation pushed them forward a tiny bit.

Powerlord

@GnomeSlice There isn't? suddenly dies of asphyxiation

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria It was worse in Demon's souls, since dying also resulted in you losing half your health. You just need to be careful about not running around wih a bunch of souls. Spend your souls when you have a chance, and don't run around with several levels worth of souls.

Chippies

@GnomeSlice it's so difficult to find Dark Souls videos now, every video is for DS2 now :/

Wipqozn

17:59

@StrixVaria Plus 90% of the time when you lose souls it'll be in an area you're exploring for the first time, so all the souls you lost are what you just gained from getting to th epoint where you died anyways.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Losing souls isn't the bad part of dying. It's losing progress. Like, distance.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I see.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria: Also, when you die you leave behind a bloodstain. If you get back to where you died before dying again you get back all your souls. You only lose your souls "for good" if you die before getting that bloodstain.

Chippies

@GnomeSlice i50.tinypic.com/25r1082.jpg

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn I did know that part.

I just figured that there will be times where you die again before you make it back.

Generally due to "some bullshit" as expressed earlier.

Origami Robot

18:01

Losing souls is more of a nuisance than anything.

badp

room topic changed to The Bridge: General Arqade chat room, wherein you are hereby allowed to be Wrong on the Internet so long as you're not any more awful than Wipqozn, and that's a tall order. It's true! [-context] [goats] [lazers] [lifehack] [maximum-overjin] [murder]

Wipqozn

There will be, but it's not a big deal.

user58869

@Chippies what game is that?

Chippies

@Alex Dark Souls

user58869

thanks

GnomeSlice

18:02

omg giant skeletons

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Did you go down into the graveyard?

StrixVaria

I don't know why I'm just suddenly having the urge to play Dark Souls.

I don't want to have this urge.

GnomeSlice

I made it to 'catacombs' that time and then fell into a pit

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria It's a good urge.

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn Did you get wrecked in the graveyard?*

FIFY

Wipqozn

18:03

@GnomeSlice You're going the wrong way. The graveyard area is a lot game area.

StrixVaria

Have any of you Dark Souls people ever played Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver?

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria I did a long time ago, but I don't remeber anything about the game.

badp

@Wipqozn You now owe the internet oracle the alot of game area.

Chippies

@StrixVaria I have, not a lot, but I have

Wipqozn

The whole reason you can gain access to the graveyard area early on is to teach you that there are some areas you'll have access to early on but are too difficult for you to handle yet.

user58869

18:04

i played it on playstation 2

StrixVaria

I really, really liked the aesthetic and design of Soul Reaver.

I feel like Dark Souls is similar.

Chippies

@Alex I thought it was on psone

maybe it had a ps2 version as well

Wipqozn

teaching through level design is best teaching.

Chippies

@StrixVaria have you played Dark Souls?

user58869

well... maybe it was, but i have a ps2 and i played it on there, i also think i might have played it on pc

StrixVaria

18:05

@Chippies No.

user58869

definately played it on ps2 though

user58869

my ps2 is in a box somewhere and hasn't seen the light of day for a long time

Chippies

@StrixVaria from what I remember, Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver was more puzzle'ish and the combat was more or less button mashing

Wipqozn

@badp Fuck. I just went back and noticed that.

StrixVaria

@Chippies Oh yeah, the gameplay probably isn't comparable at all.

badp

18:05

@Wipqozn Teaching through level design would be "areas marked with a skull are too dangerous for you"

StrixVaria

I just mean the way it looks; the world seems aesthetically similar.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice: You want to go towards the area featured in @Chippies picture.

Chippies

@StrixVaria ah, yeah, the aesthetics are somewhat similar I guess

Origami Robot

@Chippies Button mashing is pretty much what I'd call Dark Souls. You just have to wait for an opening to start the mashing.

badp

There's nothing in the actual level that's trying to teach anything from what I hear

StrixVaria

18:06

I wish Legacy of Kain came out when I was a little older so I could have actually enjoyed it more.

Wipqozn

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That's what I mean.

In other news, home time!

badp

@Wipqozn yes, that's the level being formed and shaped and designed with lessons in mind

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot I wouldn't call it mashing, if you mash the buttons you'll certainly die

badp

You're trying to argue that the lack of those affordances is also teaching the player

Origami Robot

@Chippies I mashed the buttons in every boss fight.

If I didn't, I'd die.

Sterno

18:09

@GnomeSlice should stream himself playing Dark Souls.

If he had Internet.

Origami Robot

Here is every Dark Souls fight: roll, roll, roll, block, block block, roll, block, block, roll, PRESSALLTHEATTACKBUTTONSOMG, roll, block, repeat

badp

oh. good ole stunlocks

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot For me it was block, circle, circle, circle, block, circle, circle, backstab.

Origami Robot

@Sterno If you could get the backstabbing to work properly, sure.

Sterno

Of course I could.

backstabbing with a giant club didn't look ridiculous at all, either

Origami Robot

18:11

For me, all my backstabs were more like sidestabs.

StrixVaria

Oh good the urge to buy Dark Souls is gone.

Origami Robot

I got tired of trying to find out what insane angle the game counted as "behind" for each enemy and just used my above method.

Fluttershy

Oh, we're talking about Dark Souls? :D

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot that's not really what button mashing is, imho. And if you roll that much and block that much, you'd be dead because you just ran out of stamina and tried to attack.

Origami Robot

@Chippies I left out all the "wait" actions.

Chippies

18:16

@OrigamiRobot well then it's not really button mashing, imho

you're pressing buttons to do well timed actions

Origami Robot

@Chippies " You just have to wait for an opening to start the mashing."

Chippies

usually attacking more than twice at once would get you killed

so, pressing a button twice isn't really mashing

unless by "button mashing" you just mean "pressing buttons really hard"

Origami Robot

Wait for an opening, mash attack buttons until they recover, repeat

That is button mashing.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot and they usually recover within 2-3 attacks, or your stamina runs out

and you often need to roll away as they recover, so you need stamina

Origami Robot

@Chippies Regardless, you still mash buttons.

Chippies

18:18

Idk, perhaps late endgame is more mashable

I never had enough stamina to mash more than 3 attacks while still having enough stamina to roll away

Origami Robot

It doesn't matter what attack you use, so long as you're attacking.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot I personally find I have more control if I time each button press with attacks, instead of mashing the button

imho button mashing is when you mash the button while you're in the attack animation, which makes the button mashing pointless

Origami Robot

@Chippies Except then you're only pressing one button because it takes like 8 years to actually respond to the button you pressed and get through the animation.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot there's absolutely no point in mashing the button while it's in the animation, you're not getting more hits out of it

Origami Robot

@Chippies I means you start the next attack as soon as the game allows more input.

@Chippies Which is usually well before you finish the animation

Chippies

18:22

@OrigamiRobot if you've played for at least 10 minutes with that weapon, you should know when the game allows more input

without having to mash

usually, as soon as the hit connects, you can press the button again for next attack

Origami Robot

Timing isn't the only thing that makes it button mashing.

Chippies

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/button_mashing

Origami Robot

Maybe with slower weapons there was some difference between attacks, but with the weapons I used, it was just "do any attack, w/e"

Chippies

even if you could technically claim that every game is a button masher, it's not really what the commonly accepted definition is

Origami Robot

@Chippies I'm saying it is button mashing because you don't have to choose what button you're pressing. You can just press them all and whatever the game takes as input in fine.

Chippies

18:25

@OrigamiRobot every weapon I have tried does a different attack with weak/strong attack button

even if the animation is similar, the stamina usage/damage dealt is different

a lot of weapons have different animations for weak/strong attack as well

Origami Robot

@Chippies Different, sure, but equally desirable in any situation.

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot definitely not, strong attacks are often much slower and eat up a lot more stamina

Origami Robot

@Chippies If you say so.

Chippies

weak attacks are much more spammable

Origami Robot

The only different attack was the jumping lunging attack and good luck even getting that to work.

GnomeSlice

18:27

K so there was no bridge when I went up

StrixVaria

This feels similar to the argument of different attacks in MH (having not played Dark Souls).

GnomeSlice

I went down this time

much easier enemies

Chippies

@OrigamiRobot that's actually fairly easy to do with a controller

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria It's a lot like MH combat, which I also don't particularly like.

StrixVaria

In MH each weapon has a bunch of things it can do, and in some very specific circumstances one may be better than the others, but for the most part just hit the enemy with the weapon part and you're good to go.

Origami Robot

18:28

@StrixVaria That is my experience with both these games, yes.

GnomeSlice

k nevermind, what the fuck there's like ghosts attacking me and I can't hit them

Chippies

@GnomeSlice can you just go where I told you to go?

StrixVaria

MH was fun for a while but it got meh later on :(

Chippies

like a normal new player?

Origami Robot

@Chippies I did have a controller.

GnomeSlice

18:29

@Chippies I didn't see a bridge

StrixVaria

Speaking of meh, Knights of Pen and Paper is really, really meh.

It's clearly made to try to funnel you to micropayments!

What a shock.

Fuck everything about that.

Chippies

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StrixVaria

Sorry you spent 150 gold and the blacksmith failed to upgrade your weapon. You can buy 300 gold for only $.99 to try again (twice)!

Chippies

@StrixVaria is that... on mobile?

I don't remember any of that on PC

StrixVaria

@Chippies Yes, but even if the micropayments are removed the game still has that same bullshit design.

I spent all the gold leveling my blacksmith up, and then needed to spend all the gold again to have a chance at an upgrade, which failed.

And interest is gone.

It's just really shallow anyway.

user15026

18:36

@StrixVaria That makes me sad.

Lazers

0

Q: Ancestral Spirit

Does ancestral spirit revive the card only as it was played on the field? Or is it something else? Such as previous state but full health? Say I play sunwalker, it gets silenced but I put ancestral spirit on it. When it revives, will it have taunt and divine shield or will it be silenced still? ...

hearthstone

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Q: Zoltan Explosion Details

In both the Advanced Edition and up-to-date Standard Editions of FTL, the Zoltan race explodes on death, dealing damage to hostile targets in the same room they are in when they die but not hull or subsystems. This much I know, however, much remains to be known about the Zoltan Explosion, or sho...

ftl-faster-than-light

badp

chocobo racing is not important in FF7 right?

right? right? right?

Kevin van der Velden

hahahahahaha

good luck

Ben Brocka

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user15026

@BenBrocka This makes me happy :)

badp

18:44

D:

Ben Brocka

@badp you need to race once and then you can just ignore it IIRC. There are of course goodies for winning but you don't need them

Fluttershy

@badp Only if you don't want a gold chocobo!

Unionhawk

@BenBrocka Thank you tiny cactus, I won't let you down

badp

phew

Ben Brocka

(I strongly recommend not trying to get the gold chocobo)

Kevin van der Velden

18:45

@BenBrocka (I strongly recommend trying to get the gold chocobo, for entertainment value, our entertainment of course)

badp

@KevinvanderVelden HAH! As if I were the kind of person that gives you live updates of videogame frustrations as I played videogames

user15026

@badp You'd never.

Unionhawk

I don't think you have ever

It'd be a Bridge first

Ben Brocka

Urg literally the only availible thing on the agenda for this business trip on tuesday morning is a talk from george w bush

I dont' even know why he's at a convention for enterprise resource management

user15026

That sounds less than awesome

Ben Brocka

18:49

well there's also "solutions pavilion open". I have no idea what that means though. I assume that's just a "the doors are open" thing

badp

reads the relevant walkthrough section

Origami Robot

@BenBrocka Ain't no one fucks with tiny cactus.

badp

how many races does it take to get a chocobo to S rank?

...and how did people find out about this rigmarole

Ben Brocka

@badp I think it's more about stats of the chocobo

badp

@BenBrocka As in "good" "great" and "wonderful"?

Ben Brocka

18:51

that sounds familiar

badp

o----------------------------------------------------------------------------o
| IV - xvi                    Chocobo Breeding                       (Fw03C) |
o----------------------------------------------------------------------------o

o------------------------/ Item/Materia Checklist /--------------------------o

        Quadra Magic....._____
        Mime............._____
        HP <-> MP........_____
        Knights of Round._____

Chocobo breeding is a very useful little sidequest that will eventually net

Origami Robot

Oh, @StrixVaria, wanna see the new cardframe for M15?

Ben Brocka

I just remeber getting fed up of going to hell and back and checking if I had the right chocobo and then trying to get them to chain breed properly

Origami Robot

Ben Brocka

@badp since when can we quote that much text in chat?

badp

18:53

@BenBrocka if you have a newline in your chat messages you give up both formatting and message length limits

Ben Brocka

@badp at a glance that seems much less annoying than I found it, I could be wrong

badp

...with the exception of ctrl-k formatting

@BenBrocka I think he's mainly handwaving the amount of luck required to get the necessary random encounters

Ben Brocka

I also recall an inordinate amount of back and forth

I think I quit with a green chocobo

badp

btw is FF7 one of those games with the super-side hyper-ultra-level dungeons that hold the true-super-final equips and getting them is actually harder than finishing the game?

Ben Brocka

The materia you get (specifically Mime and Knights of the Round) are really only useful for Ruby and Emerald weapon, too

badp

18:57

because I've heard horror stories about those.

...and the FF6 walkthrough is also worryingly making remarks about "level 99"

Ben Brocka

@badp not really. There are 2 optional super bosses but they don't get you ultimate weapons and the ultimate weapons aren't all that hard to procure

Ruby and Emerald aside, FF7 is actually pretty darn easy

the final boss attempts to correct difficulty for situations like "have KotR materia" and "level 99" but it's adjustments (more HP) are pathetic compared to the conditions. IIRC getting KotR doesn't even add enough HP for him to survive an extra KotR hit

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