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21:00
To be honest the only time I'll bother to leave a comment is if it's a new user and I want to explain what they did wrong and how to improve it.
@Sterno Would you rather we say "LMGTFY"?
Phrasing matters!
@Coronus What could possibly make you think I'd prefer that?
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Q: Ban LMGTFY (let me google that for you) links

John NolanI've just asked a question on Stack Overflow which was a prime candidate for googling. I admit it was a poor question and with a little bit of research I would have found the answer. It annoyed me that someone put a let-me-google-that-for-you link in the comments. It got right up my nose. I find...

@Coronus How about This is rather easy to find with a search for "<insert keywords>". See, for example, [this result](<insert link>). ?
Is that all too hard?
I'll draw your attention to the point in my nomination (gaming.stackexchange.com/election/4#post-152200) about the "Please be nice to each other Principle"
It just comes down to "Try not to be a dick"
21:01
I mean, if you're already making the effort to point something out to the user, at least help the user, instead of just telling them how much they suck.
shameless self promotion aside, we all need to be nice to each other
@Coronus There is no reason to post LMGTFY links other than to say, "Hey, idiot, I just found that by Googling because I'm smarter than you, dumbass."
people being nice to each other makes everything better
@FEichinger I don't think that even works well enough to be honest. It still cane come across as "u r dum".
Go ahead, post Google search results. I don't mind. But LMGTFY links are where I draw the line in the sand.
21:03
@Wipqozn Agreed
It can be pretty tough to explain a downvote reason, particularly the "no research effort" one, without it being rude. I mean, the reason, at it's core, is "You were lazy". If you can't find a way to put it nicely, just don't say anything.
there are also some very easy/basic questions which get a lot of upvotes
Or find a meta to link to
the community is really a bit split on the whole thing
@Wipqozn There's "can come across like that" and then there's "will come across like that". A blunt comment definitely falls into the latter category.
@FEichinger the way I see it, downvotes already seem negative (I know they aren't)
so
let's not add insult to injury
especially when it comes to new users
21:06
@Sterno Yeah, I don't think there's a "perfect" way to point out lack of research.
maybe I'm just weird, but the fact that people on the site took a harsh stance against bullshit was one of the main appeals for me
@spugsley See, if we treat it like that, our only option is to downvote and run away, hoping that it doesn't come across too bad.
@FEichinger I just mean, don't downvote and then be rude in explaining your downvote
If you're going to comment when downvoting, then try to be friendly and helpful.
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be helpful if you're going to explain your downvote. Otherwise, don't say anything
21:07
@spugsley I'm really not sure where you're getting from that I'm advocating anything else. In fact, that's precisely what I've been talking about.
@StrixVaria yup, you know what's up :p
@FEichinger I know lol that's why I've been pinging you I guess. Sorry :p
@spugsley Sometimes you're a confusing little lady.
@FEichinger I know :3 Sorry
I smell really good though.
so that's a plus
like carnations.
I got new soap :D
@FEichinger Sometimes?
We help best by providing the user with our knowledge: Why do we find the question trivial? Because we know almost instantly where to find and how to find the resource the user is looking for. So, give them that resource and show them how to find it on their own.
21:09
@FEichinger Like they say, "Give a man fire and he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Trivial questions deserve downvotes, but since "trivial" is not (although some people would really love to change that) a close reason, we should still answer the question.
Or... something like that.
@Yuki Don't give @kalina any ideas.
@FEichinger Too late, you pinged her.
@FEichinger Well dammit now you've done it.
21:10
@FEichinger In my opinion if someone asks a trivial question we should delete their account, followed by the site.
@spugsley I suppose. :P
and it's your fault
@Yuki as if she doesn't read everything already =p
You should feel bad.
@KevinvanderVelden This. She's transcript stalking us all. Constantly.
21:11
@Wipqozn Quoted on your nomination page.
@Sterno Nooooooooooooooo
... In retrospect, I've been arguing way too much during this whole nomination stuff ...
I'm not running, why am I arguing? This is what you all should be doing!
I disagree.
seriously people, you all have to learn how to prevent the drama: flag it and move on
In a completely different matter we can all argue about
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Q: How can I build a melee/kite wizard?

AdamI'm running a 1/2 melee, 1/2 kite wizard build. The build is: Passives: Astral Presence Galvanizing Ward Temporal Flux Offense spells: Arcane orb (celestial) Hydra (Poison) Blizzard (stark winter) Defensive skills: Teleport (fracture) Energy Armor (prismatic) Buff skills: Magi...

Closing these as "primarily opinion based" seems ridiculous to me
21:14
@Sterno The argument was not for "primarily opinion based".
Not sure why people voted for that.
I originally said "not clear".
I'm down with that close reason.
Since the user hasn't been around in over a year and never answered our clarifying questions.
indeed, not clear is the problem
I bring this up because I've seen this happen a lot for strategy-type questions
@Sterno That is the worst.
Strategy questions are the best questions.
21:14
If we're closing strategy questions as opinion based, why are we even in the business of answering gaming questions?
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@Sterno We might need to refine "primarily opinion-based". There are quite a few "opinion-based" questions that are okay for our site ("How should I build X?").
user15026
@Sterno I suspect because there is an idea that everyone has their own strategy? I dunno. That's teh best I can see out of that reasoning
@Sterno There's a fine line with strategy questions. I voted POB on one of those posted here because, to me, it felt like it was a bit too far, but I'm not voting on the one you posted now at all.
and google is down...
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Q: How do you make steel weapons and armor in Dwarf Fortress Masterwork Mod?

ughIn the Masterwork Mod for Dwarf Fortress, there are lots of new buildings and some old buildings disappeared. The manual says that weapons are made at "Forge". How do you build a forge in Masterwork? It doesn't show up on the list of forges if you press b-e. I've tried building about half the ot...

21:16
This got a close vote as opinion-based too!
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Q: What is the lore/back story associated with various legendaries and set items

AlokThere are a ton of sets and legendary items in Diablo III. Several of them are inspired from other game/story universes or some event in them. I found out about a few through the battle.net forums or Game Guide comments, examples: Guardian's Regalia: reference to Magneto from X-Men Wondrous Def...

Too broad, yes. Opinion-based? WTF
@Sterno This is entirely objective.
@Braiam Not from here
>.< Lore is not opinion related at all.
@Sterno wat
@Braiam Yeh, I've seen multiple reports of people not getting through to the US. Seems like a hub is down.
21:17
I think we need to have a discussion/reminder on what the definition of "opinion-based" is.
@Unionhawk good call
user15026
@Unionhawk That might not be a bad thing.
I don't think so... opinion based is when all possible answers to the question will tend to be almost entirely based on opinions, rather than facts, references, or specific expertise.
opinion-based (n) - involving opinions or speculations, rather than facts. "Your opinion about what opinion-based means is factually incorrect"
Opinion based and subjective has always been misused.
A meta about it might help, but it also might not. There probably already is one.
21:22
And note the keyword "primarily" in "primarily opinion-based"
@Wipqozn @Sterno both good points
@Sterno Yeah, this is why I think most "How do I build X" and strategy questions shouldn't be closed under that reason. Yes, they are opinion-based. However, they are not primarily opinion-based.
"What's the best way to earn <achievement x>" is immediately opinion-based, because it asks for the "best" way. But it's not primarily opinion-based, because a person uses their experience to answer it.
Out of all the private messages I've gotten in FF 14 in a day, two have not been spam.
Lol, MMOs
21:26
@Frank Welcome to the Internet.
Wow. I just tried to exit the help section of the Python interpreter and failed five times because I kept typing "quite" instead of "quit".
Well done sir...
@Yuki This is like how every time I try to type Morrowind, I type Morrowing first.
Goddamn muscle memory.
@Yuki That's quite funny!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
21:27
>_>
If elected mod, I promise hilarious jokes for all!
I hope I get elected mod so I can re-add myself as room owner by abusing my mod powers.
So many stars, so fast!
I ne ed to go pick up my pizza, and then cry.
21:28
I think removing @Wipqozn from the room owners list has the highest stars-per-second rating of any class of message in here
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@Sterno I dunno "Good morning, Bridge" from @Frank ranks up there.
Hrm. You're right.
We'll need data.
Not to mention any innuendo from @kalina.
@StackExchange That oddly made my browser reload the page by itself.
21:30
That did too
Experiment successful!
@Sterno when you get room ownership the UI changes...
I'm actually done now.
Are you though?
21:30
@Braiam I thought in the past I had to manually refresh it.
yeh, well, websockets awesomesauce :P
@Sterno Together we have learned a Thing about Chat.
@StrixVaria I also just noticed it says "StackExchange" in the main window on the left, but "Feeds" in the stars list!
It's a conspiracy!
My head is bursting from all this new knowledge!
21:32
That's a pretty accurate representation.
Now I have to go pick up my daughter from daycare and pretend to like imaginary tea parties for the next 3 hours.
@Sterno Ugh.
Hometime for me.
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Q: i have the neccesary perks for reduced mana cost in skyrim but my spells still cost their base amount, why?

levryki have the appropriate "cast novice spells for have half mana cost" perks and additional armor perks, but it still costs the base amount for my spells. could this be because im a were wolf?

@Sterno I have to go moderate supper. My 3 year old got 3 suspensions from me last night (and 1 from my co-mod) before he relented and ate.
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Mod abuse parenting is best parenting.
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21:39
@TimStone I need a shirt that says that.
Hopefully I wouldn't get arrested because of it.
@JasonBerkan It will say "Diamond Tough" on the back.
@StackExchange What kind of results will adding me get?
also, niow I have pizza
user15026
@Wipqozn what kind of pizza?
user20683
@Wipqozn Have you subjected it to waffle ironing?
Pepperoni and mushroom.
21:50
ewwww
user15026
@Wipqozn yum :D
why ruin pepperoni pizza with mushrooms?!
Mushrooms are fantastic.
@Wipqozn That is the best kind of pizza. (Though I usually add bacon to it.)
user15026
@shanodin I love mushrooms :D
21:51
D:
they are slimy like slugs
Mushrooms are the shit.
I agree, @GnomeSlice, mushrooms are like shit
@shanodin No, they are the shit.
user20683
@GnomeSlice They even grow on it.
@GnomeSlice yup, taste like shit
user15026
22:00
No, they are so yummmmmy
Dammit @Wipqozn now I want mushrooms.
I haven't been given any addresses for pizza.
Cream of Mushroom soup is one of the best things ever.
user15026
@Frank I have a most unhealthy love of cream of mushroom soup
Soup is terrible. I never liked soup. Like literally never, even when I was a baby I refused to eat soup.
22:08
Awww, @Wipqozn, what happened to your italics?
Soup is the absolute worst. Even worse then @Wipqozn.
@Arperum Potato soup is the best!
37 secs ago, by Arperum
Soup is the absolute worst. Even worse then @Wipqozn.
user15026
@OrigamiRobot I love potato soup
I don't know why I hate soup, but I really really hate it.
22:11
Do you hate spoons?
@Arperum food should be food, not liquid!
@OrigamiRobot No problem with spoons.
J'aime French Onion Soup.
Cheese and bread and baked. Mmmmmmm.
@JasonBerkan hmmm that sounds pretty good
user15026
@JasonBerkan French Onion is my fave.
22:16
And now I'm preparing pizza at 11PM.
Thanks @Wipqozn
Because the pizza place at the end of the street closed like 15 minutes ago.
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Q: Meta-Inf wont delete plz help

Neon_ToasterOK so here's my story. I have been wanting to install mods on minecraft it looked easy until i had to delete meta inf. when i try to delete it on 7 zip it says "not implemented"when i try to do it on winrar it says "file is corrupted. i looked A LOT online trying to find a way to delete it but n...

user15026
@Lazers Didnt we just have one of these the other day
@AshleyNunn Same guy. I'm writing up a comment.
@AshleyNunn Yes, he posted it again. See the 'possible dupe'
Hmm. My mod nomination has been there for an hour and neither @FAE or @FEichinger have posted any scary intimidating questions for me... something is amiss
22:21
@shanodin Well, to be fair, it's 11pm here.
But I also didn't want to get involved in the elections at all in the first place, so I'm not all too keen on asking more questions at this point.
@FAE will probably dig something up for you, though. In time.
but your questions are very good - whether or not you want to be involved is your choice but you are certainly making people think long and hard
Two declined guild invitations later, I am level 13.
Hey everyone
@Frank Why would you need to decline guild invitations to level up?
@Arperum I don't; I just find it amusing I'm geting random guild invites.
22:32
@Frank They don't know what they are trying to get themselfs into >-<
@shanodin I'll throw you a curveball, then: what is the best pizza?
YOU HAVE THREE SECONDS
MEAT LOVER'S
@badp I would go back for seconds of pizza three times
@badp The one I have.
@Arperum What if the one you have is spaghetti and nutella?
goood-night-a-rin-din-din-din-din-din-din
22:34
@GnomeSlice Correct!
@badp Why would you have that?
@badp I'd try it anyway.
@Arperum Gift
Steam broke screenshots for nonsteam games...
@Arperum ERROR
Doesn't work unless you don't change the name of the shortcut in steam.
22:37
@GnomeSlice That was a few weeks ago
The correct thing to do when somebody gifts you spaghetti and nutella pizza is to smear it on somebody's face.
@Brian Yes.
@badp That's before or after the tasting. based on who gave you the pizza.
TIME TO DO TAXES
@spugsley gl
22:50
The Butler (mobile game) looks hilarious.
@OrigamiRobot I made a funny joke and @StrixVaria was jealous he didn't think of it first.
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please reopen this question, it is fine as it stands and very clear.
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Q: I can't delete my META- INF file for minecraft

Neon_ToasterI am one of those guys who don't understand how to delete the META-INF file it is driving me crazy and I do not even want to play minecraft without them. I have already tried to use winRAR and 7-zip but they don't work. The mods I am currently trying to install are not heard about that much they ...

i'm giving it the polishing it needs as we speak
I'm sorry, but:
because he's trying to install a mod, and almost every mod requires you delete the META-inf, regardless, the 'why', has nothing to do with any reason that could possibly be causing this issue. I don't see why everyone is being such a jerk about this question. — Ender 2 mins ago
We're not being jerks. We're not sure what his problem is.
@Wipqozn He can't delete meta-inf
He's given us more detail now, which is good, but before there wasn't enough, and it wasn't clear.
22:56
But yeah, it's hard to answer without a list of what he's tried, and what happened.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't deletion of META-INF now no longer required to install mods for minecraft, what with the new launcher and all?
@GnomeSlice Exactly.
I mean, heck, we have tons of dupes about deleting META-INF either way.
@FEichinger Yeah, I heard something about that.
"I can't delete meta-inf" isn't enough info to go on, especially when his opening paragraph makes it sound like a completely differnet question. That is, how do I do it, as opposed to why isn't this working.
IF we can't tell what someone is asking we close the question and get them to clarify it, fix it up, and thne re-open.
Now that he's provided us with some more information I'm more than happen to cast a re-open vote.
PLus, as was pointed out, he already asked this question and it was closed:
People asked him to clarify there as well, and he didn't, and then he just re-asked it.
23:00
@Wipqozn Which tends to burn goodwill by ignoring advice.
In fact, he's asked the question 3 times. Oh my.
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Q: I can't delete META-INF

Neon_ToasterI have been wanting to install mods on Minecraft it looked easy until I had to delete META-INF. When I try to delete it on 7-Zip, it says "not implemented". When I try to do it on WinRAR, it says "file is corrupted". I looked online trying to find a way to delete it but nothing works. Lastly, I...

in his third revision he did start adding some more information though.
@badp hmm, Pepperoni, but I was outside your time limit, cos I was too busy breaking my install of FTB
@shanodin ERROR
@badp ctrl+alt+del ?
@badp alt + f4
23:06
Close and reopening a question should reset the vote count.
@shanodin What specific install?
Well, maybe not, but a lot of time questions get improved and still get stuck with negative scores because nobody changes their vote.
Not saying this is the case here, just something.
@Arperum Magic World 2, trying to get optifine to work D:
but it just doesn't
@GnomeSlice at best, send a notification to the voters that the question has changed and might warrant re-evaluating.
FAE
FAE
@shanodin I was afk watching stuff.
23:07
@GnomeSlice Ew, no.
@shanodin I never bothered with optifine, my pc has no problems at all with anything minecraft. Except setting of 10-20 nukes, that causes some serious lagg.
@GnomeSlice People don't always downvote for the same reason they close vote.
FAE
FAE
@FEichinger I wasn't intending to either. I was, in fact, just about to take a break from Arqade stuff, but then this all happened. It'll have to wait until after elections.
@Arperum my computer is seriously bipolar about FTB. is perfect sometimes but laggy as all hell others
There are plenty of questions I downvote without closing and vice versa, and some I'll vote to re-open and downvote.
23:08
@FAE that is an excellent question - thank you
FAE
FAE
@shanodin You're welcome. :)
@shanodin The only times my pc starts coughing is the times I try to see how much I can do to drive it over its limit. I tend to go pretty far in that.
@Arperum Star-Twine? ;]
@GnomeSlice For example. Placing hundreds of black holes is not something the game wants you to do.
I should try that.
23:10
The black holes where no problem at all though, it was the bullet physics.
@FAE as much as questions like that are scary as hell, they really help to focus a very open ended nomination into something more specific and useful
@GnomeSlice It took the two of us hours of building up energy and repeatedly going back to it to place black holes.
FAE
FAE
@shanodin Especially given said character restrictions!
@Arperum Heh.
Yeah, there's a max energy gen limit.
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Did you guys play LAN, or did online play work?
@FAE don't get me started on the character limits shakes fist
23:12
@GnomeSlice We placed chess, had a meal, played some minecraft, and in the meantime it kept going.
@GnomeSlice LAN
@Arperum Heh
@Arperum How? I didn't even see an option for that.
@GnomeSlice multiplayer ->search on LAN.
@Arperum Oh, derrrrrrrrrr
FAE
FAE
@shanodin I can appreciate it in theory, as an attempt to distill down the core message of your nomination, but it's still frustrating. But uh... brevity is the soul of wit?
Star-Twine is awesome.
23:15
@GnomeSlice Yes it is. I am terrible at it though.
@Arperum Want to try online, and see if it still works?
I suspect it doesn't.
@FAE two of my favourite quotes about writing are about brevity. "I didn't have time to send a short letter, so I sent a long one instead" (Mark Twain) and what Ernest Hemmingway considers to be his best work "For Sale: baby shoes, never worn."
@FAE The limit is too low. I mean, if you look at the nominations we got, everyone only really gets to pick two out of (personal history, stance on moderation, site evaluation), and only one subject each.
well, the second is less a quote and more a sparkling example of talent
@FEichinger definitely agree there
@GnomeSlice Tomorrow? I kinda should go to bed now. It's 12:17AM here.
23:17
@Arperum Cool man, whatever. =]
@Fluttershy Uhm...
@Fluttershy If that wasn't a replacement for 'old', I don't understand.
@3ventic @Sterno absolutely loves lifehacks.
1 min ago, by Arperum
@Fluttershy Uhm...
23:20
Lifehacks are great
If they're actual lifehacks that is...
FAE
FAE
@shanodin I adore short stories and short fiction in general. This is one of my favorite books. I just like the fact that you can evoke so much in so few words.
(cc: @Sterno, because two pings is not enough!)
FAE
FAE
@FEichinger Yeah, a good bit of the questions that were asked could've been pre-addressed had the limit been longer.
@FAE I agree - being able to say so much with so little... I wish I was that good a writer!
@Fluttershy Oh, we're playing the "ping the old guy" game? Let me try: @JasonBerkan
Dammit, got the wrong one.
Off to bed now folks - g'night o/
FAE
FAE
@FEichinger ...lol
@shanodin Night!
@shanodin o/
Also, I agree with @Ender that this question can now be re-opened:
33 mins ago, by Ender
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Q: I can't delete my META- INF file for minecraft

Neon_ToasterI am one of those guys who don't understand how to delete the META-INF file it is driving me crazy and I do not even want to play minecraft without them. I have already tried to use winRAR and 7-zip but they don't work. The mods I am currently trying to install are not heard about that much they ...

Deep Space Settlement may be one to keep an eye on, for 4x fans.
CC @Frank @kalina
23:29
It's possible it's a duplicate, but based on the information he's provided he's followed the steps outlined in other meta-inf questions and it isn't working.
@GnomeSlice That's some neat ship design
@Frank Everything is modular. There's a cool video that shows ship design in-depth here.
I...what. I could have sworn I just posted a comment on his question but now it's gone.
@Android people I just discovered ikoid, which is a bundle site that features android-only bundles.
Their current one for $1.99:
FAE
FAE
@Wipqozn You're hallucinating. Obviously not a good quality in a mod.
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23:33
One of the neat things about FF 14 is you don't have to loot corpses.
@FAE So it would seem. I should probably just withdraw.
and then delete my account
FAE
FAE
@Wipqozn Obviously.
@Wipqozn ... and then have it restored because you missed us all?
Did I miss a flag?
@FEichinger Exactly!
23:36
Ah it's finally warmer then 17 degrees in here
Ugh, Python's going to take a bit getting used to.
Also ugh mobile
@Frank RARGH, STOP TELLING ME ABOUT FFXIV.
FAE
FAE
@Yuki How's the job hunt going?
@Yuki I NEED PEOPLE TO PLAY WITH!
23:38
@FAE Everything was iced over today, meaning it sprinkled a bit and everyone's panicking.
FAE
FAE
@Yuki Oh dear.
Can't start my job hunt until Monday.
We Houstonians get a little tense when it comes to even the slightest chance of water freezing outside.
FAE
FAE
@Yuki I'm assuming you're a native Texan seeing as you said your sister's never seen snow?
@FAE She's native Texan. I was born in China and lived in South Carolina for 5 years.
23:40
@GnomeSlice Neat concept. Much better than the way GalCiv did it.
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Q: Multiple criteria for dummy in scoreboard (Minecraft)

Anonymous PiI know how to give points using scoreboard when a player gets wood, /scoreboard objectives add Wood stat.mineBlock.17 PointsWood, and I know how to give points with scoreboard when stone is mined, /scoreboard objectives add Stone stat.mineBlock.1 PointsStone. But what if I want the points in the ...

FAE
FAE
@Yuki Aaah okay. I wasn't sure when your parents immigrated.
Heh the adventures of Tin-Tin is great
But I wonder what 400 weight of gold is supposed to be worth
hmm
Would I ask that on Movies.se or History.se?
@RedRiderX Depends on how you word it.
Yeah I guess so
23:44
If you say "In the adventures of Tin-Tin...", it's Movies.SE
But if you ask "In <insert year>, how much was the price of gold?", that'll be History.SE
@Yuki Yeah <insert year> is pretty vague in this situation.
@RedRiderX Then I'd go with the Movies.SE version.
Yeah I suppose so
23:58
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Q: How much would 400 weight of Gold actually have been worth?

RedRiderXIn The Adventures of Tintin, the main pursuit for most of the movie is a sunken shipwreck with 400 weight of gold and treasure hidden with it. But I can't help but wonder, as I'm not familiar with the measurement, how much is 400 weight of gold? More specifically,what would 400 weight of gold b...

there done
it's a pretty poor title though

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