The Bridge

Ullallulloo

19:00

It is a dumb question though. :P

kalina

DOWNVOTED

Braiam

@Ullallulloo the fastest answerer in the west?

kalina

UNACCEPTED

-27 rep

Ullallulloo

@kalina What will I do? D:

kalina

reflect on how mean you can be

Sterno

19:01

I'm still sad I self-deleted this answer even though I had it in first, because the other one has paid off with 175 rep and counting

kalina

and then beg for forgiveness

Sterno

But his was better.

Braiam

@Sterno BOOOOOOOOO..... only 10K :(

fbueckert

@Ullallulloo I concur with this. Missing a giant ass sign out button is not a problem people will have.

kalina

@Sterno meh, it can only be a good thing to let lower rep users that are active get more rep

Braiam

19:01

@fbueckert ha, don't you know users?

kalina

@fbueckert It is when it isn't in a logical place

Sterno

@kalina That was my rationale until it started approaching 200 rep!

kalina

why would "sign out" be under "settings"?

Sterno

I need to hit 20k so I can ignore the 20k tools

kalina

when there is an "exit application" link surrounded by loads of space

fbueckert

19:02

@Braiam Oh, believe me, I know users.

Braiam

22

Q: How to design for people not willing to learn?

During quite a few usability tests in the past I have noticed the following: A test person gets a simple task to achieve. Lets say "Book a flight from A to C via B". He should then fulfill the task using the product (in this case a website). After less than two minutes the test person started to...

fbueckert

I've dealt with the worst the world can throw at me, and came out alive.

kalina

@fbueckert debatable

fbueckert

@Braiam That's easy. It's called shock therapy.

FEichinger

@fbueckert Disagree.

kalina

19:03

your hatred for users being users says otherwise

Braiam

@FEichinger because reasons?

@kalina says the user....

FEichinger

I couldn't recall where the Sign Out button is either, and I use that app on a daily basis for all sorts of things. I knew it was somewhere, just no idea where.

fbueckert

@kalina I expect them to be stupid and idiotic. And I vote accordingly.

kalina

@Braiam he is one of those people who won't accept "because you, as the developer, allowed them to do that" as an answer to "why did the user do that?"

he's of the opinion that developers are never at fault, when in fact, developers are the cause of all problems

FEichinger

@fbueckert Oh, also, I very much doubt that.

fbueckert

19:05

@kalina Oh, no, I've had my share of problems.

I don't take responsibility for building what I am told to, and then being blamed for it working exactly like that.

Sterno

I love it when we turn being super critical into a virtue. It gives me warm fuzzies.

Slurpee

@kalina It's when users turn into lusers is where the problem occurs.

Braiam

2 mins ago, by Braiam

22

Q: How to design for people not willing to learn?

During quite a few usability tests in the past I have noticed the following: A test person gets a simple task to achieve. Lets say "Book a flight from A to C via B". He should then fulfill the task using the product (in this case a website). After less than two minutes the test person started to...

usability-study ux-design learning

kalina

@fbueckert working to an incomplete spec is a whole other can of worms

Braiam

^ most upvoted answer: you can't

kalina

19:06

my new job is doing user interface design

KernelPanic

How long does Nvidia support any given card? I thought that they had somewhat longer than ATI.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert I think you may have misread that question

Ullallulloo

@kalina There are lots of things that people should be allowed to do that people should not do do most of the time.

KernelPanic

@Braiam Idiot proofing?

kalina

I have users doing unexpected things as a cause of stress in my future

fbueckert

19:06

@kalina Oh, no, spec is complete, I'm told. But they don't like it working the way they literally told me to build it, and somehow, it's my fault.

KernelPanic

Apple does that, and it seems to work fine.

Slurpee

@KernelPanic You can't, then they make a better idiot.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Oh, no, I misread your comment :P

fbueckert

And when I say, "Hey, this is what you told me to build", or, "You sure you want it to work this way? A, B, and C will happen.", I get told to shut up and build it.

kalina

@fbueckert part of my job is to spend several weeks with the customer, comparing how they've said they want things to work to how they actually work currently

so that afterwards we can sit down with their spec and tell them they're wrong, and how it can be fixed

fbueckert

19:08

@kalina I needed someone like that for my last project.

kalina

if I have one more training session on streamlining the user journey I am going to kill somebody

fbueckert

All I got was, "Keep the client happy. Do what they tell you to."

Fluttershy

-4

Q: Energy Weapons vs Small guns: Pros and Cons

What are the relative pros and cons between energy weapons and small guns? Such as damage, rate of fire, accuracy, & ease of finding ammo.

fallout-new-vegas

fbueckert

And then thrown under the bus when they decided I was doing a bad job.

Fluttershy

Dat radical change...

kalina

19:08

I'm not sure the people who hired me have correctly communicated my current level of knowledge

Braiam

kalina

it feels like they're training me up from scratch like I'm some university graduate with no real world experience, or something

KernelPanic

@Slurpee Then make it better.

FEichinger

@Fluttershy And right there is one of the reasons I VTC'd as too broad instead of POB.

kalina

@KernelPanic I agree with you completely, we must be part of a new school of thinking

fbueckert

19:09

@KernelPanic Every time you make a program idiot proof, Mother Nature goes ahead and makes a bigger idiot.

FEichinger

@fbueckert I take offense to that. Just because something doesn't feel intuitive for a person doesn't mean they're an idiot.

KernelPanic

@fbueckert I don't believe in spiritual beings.

kalina

even though I'm on the development team, I appear to have made better friends with the design team so far

FEichinger

People are different, they have different ways of going about things.

Ullallulloo

@KernelPanic To make it impossible to do something wrong, you usually have to severely gimp the program.

fbueckert

19:11

@FEichinger It's a saying, dude. It's talking about the futility of attempting to account for every single edge case and scenario possible.

Sterno

Man, I just saw a spider about the size of a quarter crawling across my phone here at work.

Not cool

Sconibulus

@Ullallulloo I hate it when this happens

OrigamiRobot

9 secs ago, by Sconibulus

@Ullallulloo I hate it when this happens

KernelPanic

@Ullallulloo Well of course. Security comes at a cost.

Jason Berkan

@Sterno Best part of -32? No spiders. Or any insects, actually.

kalina

19:12

development are preaching all about how we implement all of this stuff, meanwhile they're showing me their most recent work and they've got stuff like tab orders now flowing in a logical order

Braiam

@Ullallulloo actually, you can just make 1 button thingy... and still users manage to find a third button

OrigamiRobot

@JasonBerkan That just means they try to get in your house!

kalina

@FEichinger this brings me back to the Steam for Android question

It didn't feel intuitive for Sign Out to be under settings

FEichinger

@kalina Precisely.

kalina

I won't be the only person in the world asking that question

KernelPanic

19:13

@Braiam Ya, after the device/program is essentially broken.

Slurpee

@kalina I agree, it's a stupid place for it.

kalina

It doesn't matter how big the button is

KernelPanic

@kalina They have Steam for android? what is the world coming to.

kalina

"Sign Out" is not a setting

Ullallulloo

There's not that many places for it to be though.

SaintWacko

19:13

@kalina I would like to change my account setting to 'not signed in'

Braiam

@kalina wait, wait! shutdown was in the "start" menu!!!!!!!!!

kalina

@Ullallulloo I don't know about you, but I have a large area next to "Exit Application", on the main menu

@Braiam this was also stupid

KernelPanic

@SaintWacko gaming.stackexchange.com/users/logout

kalina

but at least it was right on the start menu, not hidden in some submenu

SaintWacko

@KernelPanic Heh

FEichinger

19:14

@SaintWacko Which makes sense for a dev, thinking of it as a toggle for whether or not the account is signed in. But the Exit button is irritating and it's hidden deep in a menu. Not intuitive at all, to be frank.

Ullallulloo

KernelPanic

@kalina I don't know how anyone can complain about something being within a sub-menu, and not be insane.

SaintWacko

@FEichinger Uh... It's right there in settings

Braiam

@Ullallulloo what the heck is doing Marco Ceppi there?

kalina

@Ullallulloo I have more space than that around Exit Application

FEichinger

19:16

@SaintWacko Yeh ... and if I don't expect them there, I won't find them.

KernelPanic

@Ullallulloo Unless it's just for Steam chat, I don't see the point in Steam for mobile platforms (other than maybe laptops).

Ullallulloo

@Braiam Playing the non-Steam game Ice Hockey.

kalina

@KernelPanic chat and store

FEichinger

@KernelPanic Purchase and trigger download from the app.

kalina

you can do remote installs too

Braiam

19:16

I feel that steam is becoming the new facebook...

SaintWacko

@FEichinger Where else would you expect it? The options/settings is an extremely common place to put the exit button on Android applications

KernelPanic

@FEichinger So it's just padding?

FEichinger

Looking up the Steam news and sales is fancy, too.

KernelPanic

@Braiam I'm hoping it ends up like MySpace.

FEichinger

@SaintWacko There is an exit button. It's not the same as the Sign Out button, though. And the specific behaviour of the Sign Out button is hidden in the Settings page.

SaintWacko

19:17

@FEichinger Oh, I thought you were talking about the exit button...

kalina

nope, talking about sign out

SaintWacko

> But the Exit button is irritating and it's hidden deep in a menu.

KernelPanic

@SaintWack @FEichinger You could just not login in the first place, and avoid the entire problem.

3ventic

All mobile sign out buttons are annoyingly hidden

FEichinger

@KernelPanic ...

Braiam

19:19

@KernelPanic ...

KernelPanic

@FEichinger If you don't login, you won't need to logout.

SaintWacko

@KernelPanic That's a bad solution

It's an entirely non-constructive "solution"

KernelPanic

@SaintWacko Can't help them all.

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno What's really messed up is these lands are functionally the same as any other basic land, yet are far more expensive. Care to take a guess how much more?

3ventic

That's a good point, but it also defeats the purpose of the whole application in most cases

KernelPanic

19:20

@SaintWacko It's a solution though.

FEichinger

@3ventic It's a semantic issue, in my opinion. If it wasn't "Sign Out" but instead "Disable auto-login" or somesuch, I'd be surprisingly fine with it. Still hidden, but semantically "correct" where it's found.

SaintWacko

It's like reporting a bug to a developer and saying "When I do this thing that the application is intended to do, it crashes" and getting back from the dev "Don't do that"

FEichinger

@KernelPanic No, it's not a solution, because the app forces you to login, if I'm not mistaken.

KernelPanic

@FEichinger Uninstall the app then. It's not a hard thing to do.

kalina

@KernelPanic this is being a bit counter productive now

FEichinger

19:21

@KernelPanic You're kidding, right? Because at this point, I can't take you seriously at all anymore.

Braiam

@KernelPanic ...

Ullallulloo

@FEichinger It's more like "switch which account is mine".

SaintWacko

@kalina A bit?

KernelPanic

@FEichinger Because you don't like my solution? so be it.

kalina

@SaintWacko I was being polite

FEichinger

19:21

@Ullallulloo Yeh, I was thinking "unassociate account" but I couldn't figure out the 'fancy UI' way to say that.

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot How much? And that's odd, since I find them uglier.

SaintWacko

@kalina Ah, okay. That's what confused me, then :P

FEichinger

1 min ago, by SaintWacko

It's like reporting a bug to a developer and saying "When I do this thing that the application is intended to do, it crashes" and getting back from the dev "Don't do that"

Sterno

Or maybe not uglier, but they clash more with the layout of other cards.

Braiam

....

KernelPanic

19:22

@FEichinger So?

kalina

@SaintWacko I don't like setting fire to people the first day I see them

Braiam

kalina

they don't understand

FEichinger

@kalina I would approve of this use of fiery force.

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno Normal basic land is ~$0.10. These lands are $5 - $8 each.

SaintWacko

19:22

@kalina Some people could use it...

kalina

they need to familiarise themselves to the bridge before it has any real meaning

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot WTF

I think I own some of those. To eBay!

KernelPanic

@FEichinger The program isn't crashing though. It's functioning as it should, but not as you want.

I'll let myself out.

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno Sell to me plox.

kalina

TONIGHT

I AM EATING PIZZA

NOT JUST ANY PIZZA THOUGH

I AM EATING VEGETARIAN SUPREME PIZZA

Jason Berkan

19:23

AUTOCAD PIZZA!

2

kalina

IT WILL BE NOM

Sterno

@kalina "Vegetarian" and "Supreme" are contradictory.

6

SaintWacko

I think I'll start calling the caps lock button the AUTOCAD BUTTON

Braiam

TONIGHT I AM EATING KALINA!

kalina

@Sterno no

FEichinger

19:24

@kalina Oh you and your "no meat" nonsense.

SaintWacko

@Braiam o.0

kalina

@Braiam not this again -.-

FEichinger

@Braiam Oh god.

Braiam

O_O

List of captive orcas

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FEichinger

hands @Braiam a fire-proof shield You might need this, at this rate.

kalina

19:24

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 4 hours ago, by kalina

it looked like you wanted to eat me with something else

Sterno

I'm all for vegetarian pizza. It's good. You just can't call it Supreme too. Supreme implies a ton of meat and veggies.

kalina

in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 4 hours ago, by kalina

like, that's a bit forward, isn't it

SaintWacko

Wasn't there some big issue in the UK lately with eating ponies?

kalina

@Sterno no

@SaintWacko NO

SaintWacko

And now you want to eat a pony?

kalina

19:25

PONIES ARE NOT FOR EATING

OrigamiRobot

@OrigamiRobot NO

Sterno

@kalina Yahoo! Answers says you're wrong, so I don't know that I even need to bother to continue arguing with you if I've got them on my side.

kalina

@Sterno rofl

yeah, Yahoo! Answers is a high quality source for information

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno Seriously, I will buy them if they are in good condition.

Sterno

I also have Urban Dictionary on my side

Braiam

19:26

ask in Seasoned Advice

Sterno

Basically, I'm unstoppable.

kalina

lol UD

@Sterno Vegetarian Supreme is an actual thing

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot I'll be moving in a month and if I turn up my magic cards AND remember that, I'll send them your way

kalina

I have Dominos on my side

the best mass produced pizza makers in the world

and

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno Yesssssssssssssss Unhinged lands are the best.

kalina

19:27

I got 12 inches of it all to myself

Sterno

@kalina Dominos isn't pizza.

kalina

goddamit I'm so good at star baiting

noooo

@Sterno abusing his room owner abilities again

SaintWacko

@Sterno I disagree

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot What set(s) do they come from?

Braiam

@kalina because you use the return as punctuation signs... ¬¬

2

Sterno

19:28

@kalina Not me.

kalina

@Braiam yes

and I'm so good at it

TWELVE INCHES OF DELICIOUS GOODNESS

just pulled up outside

Sterno

Maybe the person just unstarred because obvious star was obvious.

kalina

brb

Kevin van der Velden

@Sterno this is the bridge, no way that'll ever happen.

FEichinger

It can't have been me, I'm out of stars.

Sterno

19:31

@OrigamiRobot If it's from the 2004 Unhinged Set, I don't think I collected at that time so despite thinking I have these, I might not. Are there other full-card lands out there that are crappy and not what you want?

I'm already kind of sad because I think I used some of these as bookmarks and threw some others out

Although I've still got my Library of Leng bookmark card!

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno THERE ARE OTHER FULL ART LANDS, YES. FROM UNGLUED AND ZENDIKAR

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot Are those shitty and worthless?

kalina

OM NOM NOM

Slurpee

gaming.stackexchange.com/a/145735/39358 flags

Sterno

I bet mine are from Unglued

OrigamiRobot

19:36

@Sterno WORTH LESS, BUT NOT WORTHLESS

kalina

@Slurpee flagged as "requested by poster"

OrigamiRobot

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot Okay, I definitely have those, but they aren't the ones I'm thinking of.

Anyway, I'll try to remember to look.

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno UNGLUED LANDS ARE $3 - $4 WHILE ZENDIKAR LANDS ARE ~$1

Unionhawk

@kalina flagged as "is a 'flagged as'" post.

no flag-backs

kalina

19:42

@Unionhawk flagged as OM NOM NOM THIS PIZZA IS NOM

Unionhawk

48 secs ago, by Unionhawk

no flag-backs

3ventic

@kalina pizza is never nom

Unionhawk

@3ventic UNFRIENDED

kalina

:o

OrigamiRobot

@3ventic Flagged

3ventic

19:43

ok, pizza is rarely nom

OrigamiRobot

@3ventic Still flagged!

kalina

unacceptable

Unionhawk

Where's @badp to kick @3ventic for being so flagrantly wrong when we need him?

OrigamiRobot

Do you hate macaroni and cheese too?

kalina

@Unionhawk kick? This is an account deletion level event

Grace Note

19:44

@Unionhawk Flagrantly. Haaaaaaa.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Ouch...

FEichinger

@3ventic ... Just ... no.

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot Zendikar is a set I bought a long time ago. Those are probably the ones I have. :(

Unionhawk

@kalina Well, I'll let that be up to him then.

3ventic

@Yuki got bluescreen :(

What, I didnt reply to anyone

Damn mobile chat

Unionhawk

19:46

Heh

Well done

@Yuki is so confused, probably

Yuki

Kinda sorta.

Unionhawk

Maybe not

Yuki

I have no clue why he replied to that particular message with what he said.

Unionhawk

When in doubt, blame mobile chat.

kalina

let me get this straight

you dissed pizza

your pc bluescreened

I call that... major victory

Unionhawk

19:48

Thanks @badp!

FEichinger

@kalina Karma.

Unionhawk

He got kicked from his computer.

Yuki

Why are Nightmares the hardest Menace to manage?

Sterno

We need a qualified judge.

Unionhawk

New magic that Google can do now.

kalina

19:48

no, I set fire to his RAM, remotely, over the internet

Sterno

@LessPop_MoreFizz Does Dominos count as "pizza"?

Unionhawk

Be afraid.

Ah, I see

Yuki

Really starting to regret deciding to focus in Watchful.

Unionhawk

@Sterno I think it counts as "pizza", but not no quotes pizza

kalina

@Sterno @LessPop_MoreFizz's opinion on pizza is flawed

Pizza is italian, ask @badp

Slurpee

19:49

@Sterno You have to take into consideration that this is no-meat pizza.

That's not pizza at all.

Grace Note

I'd say it counts as pizza unless you try to pass off something like "Vegetarian Supreme" as an actual topping choice.

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno If you have these non-basic lands from Zendikar, they are worth $30 - $50.

kalina

...

WHY DO YOU ALL HATE ME

JUST BECAUSE I DON'T GUT PIGS TO GET FOOD

No cows were stabbed in the face to make this pizza

Sterno

@OrigamiRobot SO MUCH MONEY SOMEWHERE IN MY BASEMENT! Also, an unopened TV I won from Arqade!

Unionhawk

I hate Vegetarian Supreme pizza, but I don't hate all vegetarians

Grace Note

19:50

Supreme implies meat and vegetables.

kalina

@GraceNote you're a hater

Grace Note

It'd be like calling it "Vegetarian Pepperoni Pizza"

SaintWacko

@Sterno I want it

Grace Note

Or "Vegetarian Meat Lovers Pizza"

Unionhawk

There probably are vegetarian pepperonis too, is the disgusting part

kalina

19:51

IT IS CALLED VEGETARIAN SUPREME BECAUSE IT HAS SUPREME AMOUNTS OF VEGETABLES ON IT

@Unionhawk tofu

badp

Tofu on pizza is clearly madness

4

kalina

I'm not condoning tofu on pizza

badp

Besides

Unionhawk

YEP IT EXISTS

badp

It is perfectly possibile to have great vegetarian pizza

2

Jason Berkan

19:52

@kalina You have an odd view on how animals are slaughtered.

badp

Ever heard about "Margherita"?

OrigamiRobot

@Sterno I'd be happy to help you price your collection :P

kalina

@badp right now, I love you

Grace Note

Vegetarian Pizza is fine.

Unionhawk

@badp Agree.

SaintWacko

19:52

@Unionhawk The hell?

Yuki

@badp Tofu has better things to do than be on pizza.

Unionhawk

@SaintWacko I KNOW

Grace Note

...actually to a point I'd think that if you ever found a place that actually offered "Vegetarian Meat Lovers Pizza", I think you'd have to commend them for the gall to do that.

Yuki

I don't understand this vegetarian madness with putting tofu on everything. Tofu has some perfectly good dishes. You don't need to start trying to shoehorn tofu into everything you used to eat.

Grace Note

Cheese Pizza is already good vegetarian pizza.

badp

19:53

@GraceNote Is that a pizza with lovely meat on top which you discard before proceeding to eat the rest of the pizza?

Unionhawk

Meatless pepperoni. That's just gross.

Grace Note

@badp I have no idea what it'd be like.

kalina

@badp no it's obviously a cannibalistic pizza, with flesh from vegetarians on it

Slurpee

@GraceNote Try VEGAN meat-lovers pizza thecomfortingvegan.blogspot.com/2013/04/…

kalina

Markdown 1; Slurpee 0

Grace Note

19:54

@Slurpee ...huh.

Commendations. Geez.

badp

@Slurpee Now, vegan pizza is complete bullshit

Unionhawk

Yep. Vegan is too far.

Because that's no cheese

badp

wait, I forget

OrigamiRobot

@kalina and @badp sitting in a tree

Unionhawk

And... Vegan Bacon? Oh yeah, I forgot that was a thing

badp

19:55

is there egg in the normal pizza dough?

otherwise it could still be a thing

Yuki

@Slurpee I love how half the ingredients are some meat with the label "vegan" in front of it.

Unionhawk

@badp Either way, it's vegan cheese

That's just gross.

kalina

@badp not normally

badp

@Unionhawk ha! Pizza Marianara has no cheese!

Unionhawk

@badp Okay, fair enough.

Grace Note

19:56

@badp Not that I know of. Otherwise that'd be in the way of vegetarians anyway.

badp

Grace Note

Because anyone who tries to pass off eggs as vegetarian-friendly is... I'm not sure what to say.

badp

but I've never seen anybody actually eat one unless they were feeling sick or something

kalina

@GraceNote they're not animal flesh

Slurpee

@badp Tomato pie. I'm OK with that, there's a local bakery by me that makes them.

Unionhawk

19:57

@GraceNote I thought vegetarians were okay with eggs, but vegans say "no"

kalina

they're also not a living creature

badp

@kalina Technically...

Grace Note

@Unionhawk I've seen the same people allow themselves to eat fish.

Yuki

Balut (egg)

A balut or balot is a developing duck embryo that is boiled alive and eaten in the shell. It is commonly sold as streetfood in the Philippines. They are common food in countries in Southeast Asia, such as Laos (khai look ໄຂ່ລູກ in Lao, Cambodia (pong tia koon ពងទាកូន in Cambodian) and Vietnam (trứng vịt lộn or hột vịt lộn in Vietnamese). They are often served with beer. The Filipino and Malay word balut (balot) means "wrapped" – depending on pronunciation. Preparation In the Philippines, balut eaters prefer salt and/or a chili, garlic and vinegar (white or coconut sap) mixture to se...

badp

(I mean, I have to stop kalina agreeing with me at some point)

Yuki

19:58

Today on disgusting foods...

Unionhawk

Eggs for sale are usually always infertile. So they're not really living by that point.

kalina

@badp it's obviously the future

Unionhawk

Or unfertilized. Whatever

badp

@Yuki I... I hope they taste good enough to justify the murder.

Slurpee

@Unionhawk Eggs for sale are never living.

badp

19:59

Most meat does anyway.

Sterno

Not all vegetarians are vegetarian for moral reasons

Unionhawk

^

Grace Note

@Sterno Mostly health is what I usually see.

kalina

chicken eggs are unfertilized, not animal flesh, no death occurs as a result of eating eggs

badp

I mean, at the end of the day, meat is getting produced regardless of whether you as a person eat it or not

Sterno

19:59

I have noticed that if you know anyone who goes vegan, though, they can't shut up about it.

badp

You might as well make it 100% sure that their death was as worthy as possible

SaintWacko

vegan is stupid

And dangerous

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