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11:00
the spoiler markup works well on mobile devices since it gives you a pretty little box to click and is really obvious. The rest of the time we end up with a single line of text and then a bunch of crap that either is completely invisible or isn't immediately obvious
@qwertyk31 I believe we have a meta asking for that somewhere
There's an argument that isn't just "I don't think it's necessary."
@Sterno you smelled the miniature drama? Also, good morning/noon/whatever!
I got about three hours of sleep. I need drama to fuel me today.
immediately stops arguing
11:04
@Sterno Sterno vs The Spoiler
The spoiler markup doesn't work on a ipad in non-mobile mode. I always have to hit "edit" to see what it says
It should be toggle, not hover
Something to fuel the drama:
The Spoiler tag is completely OK, everyone that says differently is wrong.
Discuss
@Sterno Proper argument against spoiler tag! drama go!
@3ventic This
11:05
@Arperum SE has already said they aren't going to fix it. :(
@5pike DENIED
@3ventic Go meta!
No drama for @Sterno.
Sterno needs drama, quick everybody, let's AFK all day
@Sterno Booh. :( Why did you only had three hours of rest?
11:06
if we starve him of drama he might adapt to feed off other fuel sources, like low quality posts, and suggested edits
I have meta drama, in which I am both winning and losing! I'm winning the meta votes but losing the close/reopen votes
After an argument, we can all still unite in the collective effort to undermine @Sterno's drama fuel.
@Arperum sick child, coupled with difficulty getting back to sleep
@Sterno That is no fun.
@MartinSojka Latin verbs however usually have irregular past perfect but regular future tenses
11:08
2 hours ago, by qwertyk31
@badp are you ignoring me? :(
@kalina He'd starve to death at that rate, you keep eating the all the review queues
@qwertyk31 you might be driving me to. Please stop.
Clearly I should have said nothing. My gap just narrowed from +11 to +8
@badp what did i do
@qwertyk31 repeatedly asking why is enough of a reason to actually ignore you
11:08
@qwertyk31 Why are you so extremely focused on @badp ? It's creepy.
Well, there's one way it could get very annoying if he has his sound on.
@Arperum That's @kalina, always stealing ALL TEH REVIEWS.
@qwertyk31
@Arperum at least that guy from SO who kept coming in here just to say hi to me has gone
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@qwertyk31
11:09
And apparently one person felt the question itself not worth discussing. Now I feel like @kalina
@Arperum I'm sorry I take pride in my work
@kalina shhh don't say that
@tombull89 I see that is anoying
@qwertyk31
@kalina I was actually thinking of that one. Was thinking about digging up the quote i used then, but i'm too lazy.
11:10
somebody just found the star button
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@kalina those notifications are covering my tabs
@kalina your seeeeeecret SO admirer.
all you're doing my single starring everything I say is enticing me to eradicate the star list and push all of the useful stuff off the list
@kalina That user will run out of stars eventually. And in a couple days he will learn to use them for normal things.
@kalina is that list ever usefull?
11:12
@Arperum I can't believe you managed to say this with a straight face
@Arperum ... like starring Rebecca Black video links.
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@qwertyk31 No, because some people clear stars on everything that legitimately belongs there.
@qwertyk31 yes, frequently it highlights what has been going on in chat, since all of our active users aren't here 24/7 it can prove useful for getting multiple opinions on a topic over a 24 hour period
@FEichinger I didn't say "clear"
@kalina Wasn't talking about you.
well fine, good, and also, ok
11:14
I'm still mad about the whole "I declare this passive-aggressive starring, so I will make it my life goal to remove them all!"
@FEichinger ah you're talking about fbueckert
Passive aggressive passive-aggressive-star removal
@kalina 'sfar as I recall from the transcript it wasn't actually him who did it.
can you see who stared something?
11:15
@qwertyk31 no
@Sterno This, essentially. And that annoys the hell out of me.
A good 80% of the stars called passive-aggressive aren't.
@badp that... what is this?
@Sterno at least
Only The Bridge could argue about Star Use and Abuse.
I think we should go back to having a small group of core room owners
11:16
I don't even care if they are passive aggressive. The star list is supposed to contain important topics we talked about, not witty out-of-context quotes. And the few times we do get said important topics there, it gets removed on grounds of "passive aggressive starring" if owners happen to disagree with the starred opinion.
rather than the every man and his dog approach we have going on at the moment
I'm pretty sure that was @badp's doing - something I actually agree with
I love it when people star the message asking people to stop with passive aggressive stars
Fine. Don't star me. See if I care.
...DENIED
11:17
see? success!
@tombull89 I want to star you only so I can click "cancel stars" preventing that message from ever getting any star ever
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@tombull89 If I did it, both posts would have 5+ stars on them by now
Don't star this.
Star this instead.
@kalina Well, you have a history with stars, though.
@FEichinger An unfair history
People starring the most random of crap
11:18
I have never used cancel stars. What kind of monster would that make me?
@kalina I'm being nice to you, so I'm not getting myself dragged into that.
@Sterno I never cancelled stars either
Neither have I. I only moved @NOPE spam ...
I have @NOPE on ignore
because pretty much everything NOPE has to say is crap
I'll wait for the @LessPop_MoreFizz abridged edition
In fact, other than making gnome a room owner and immediately removing him, and unpinning his "I ate cat food" message on like day 3 of it being pinned, I don't think I've done anything
11:21
Owner abuse ho!
They need a sub permission that just let's you see deleted messages
I should have thought of something to do before shouting that, now I just look silly.
At the same permission level where you can see flags.
@Sterno why?
@qwertyk31 So you can see the messages that have been deleted. Why else?
11:22
@qwertyk31 because deleted messages that I can't see are literally worse than Hitler
@Sterno nah, 20k to see deleted messages
sounds like a good idea
@qwertyk31 There's a couple of reasons one would want to see deleted messages for. Particularly when flags are involved and people missed what happened.
thanks for sharing it with us so I can poach it and post on MSO
RIGHT... never
@kalina sure, why not? I'd care about rep again!
@kalina Yeah, that's the rep level you get to see flags.
11:23
wouldn't that defeat the purpose of deleting them?
@RonanForman wrong answer, try again
@RonanForman Uhm, nope.
@Sterno you're right, it should be at 50k
Oh right, it's 10k isn't it.
@kalina or maybe only 10k still, but you have to have already hit 10k, deleted your account, and started a new one. It can be a New Game + feature.
11:25
@Sterno I've done that!
Account reconstitution doesn't count
@kalina You've just taken the easy way out by getting your account back.
Unless you are @MarkTrapp
@Sterno no no, this is technically a new account with a new user id that therefore fulfils the requirements
A wild @Jin appears.
11:26
if I can generate 27k rep in 80 days then so can you!
writes a book
makes a youtube video
@kalina since you are technically correct, I shall grant you this. You may have cheated your way through NG+, but I'll count it!
technically correct is the best kind of correct
Technically correct is the only correct.
@Sterno morally correct
Does not compute
11:29
@Sterno hypothetically correct, where technical proof does not exist
Stahp.
Hypothetically correct might be technically wrong. The worst kind of wrong.
@Sterno technically wrong supersedes hypothetically correct, since it indicates proof of a technical answer
I said Stahp.
it's no longer hypothetical if there is prooof
therefore, @Sterno, you are technically wrong - the worst kind of wrong.
11:32
@kalina is anything ever truly hypothetical?
closes tab BRAIN. BAD.
@Sterno give me a technical answer for "what is the meaning of life"
@Sterno give me a technical answer for "how can I travel at light speed"
@Sterno give me a technical answer for "what does the American government actually do"
@Sterno give me a technical answer for... oh wait, they found the higgs boson
mmh
@kalina just because we don't know it doesn't mean there isn't one.
Quantum mechanics state that...
@kalina Lose all your mass and you won't have a choice.
Aww, I messed up the quote and am too lazy to edit.
11:35
@MartinSojka I'm not far away from that then
I just cast the final delete vote on 6 questions, I feel so special
it's almost like my actions mattered, for a change
Soo ... we're done with the whole-- Oh for heaven's sake, @Sterno!
You are hypothetically correct that we are done talking about technical correctness.
now you're thinking with por- no, that doesn't work here
"You can run your favorite apps next to your favorite apps!"
Hate that commercial so much.
I could come up with a catchy line for this but I think I will just leave this here.
11:39
@GraceNote for Japanese boys only? No girls allowed?
> aimed at male boys
I wish we'd find a particle with imaginary rest mass though (Tachyons, basically). The results would be so fun to watch.
inverted my little pony scenario coming up
... Huh. I never thought of it like that.
@FEichinger yes, as opposed to female boys
11:40
@kalina Uh huh. Right.
also, I suspect it's a case of lost in translation
Son of a fuck. My power blinked and I lost all my candies. This is the worst.
I wonder if I should skip work and sleep play Arkham Origins
@OrigamiRobot javascript
@Sterno WHY U NO DIRECT LINK?
@OrigamiRobot autosave
seriously
11:44
I spent way to long trying to see the alt text.
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Q: How do I change the number of candies I have?

LloytronSo I finished the game and got the computer. I started adding candies and lollies and so on, and I had Infinity candies and lollies. Whooo :D But then I ate my infinity candies, and now it says I have NaN candies. Basically I have zero candies, permanently, and I can't even play that 10 candy ga...

Oh, you were talking about xkcd.
ipad is really bad at letting me copy image urls
Easier to copy the image
@Sterno You should only copy the link to the page, not to the image.
The page doesn't onebox
It does for xkcd.
11:45
Does so
Just like it does for Wikipedia.
!!!!
(This is the part where you say "TIL")
Jun 20 at 19:16, by Sterno
For some reason I thought chat auto-oneboxed xkcd
@Lazers DUPE DUPE DUPE
11:47
I guess I tried and failed that day and reset the bit that made me think it worked.
@fredley, you are awful
Jun 20 at 19:18, by Ben Brocka
@Sterno it should
Apparently I had https instead of http, which is why it didnt work.
@FEichinger i though that was "it should" as in"yeah, man, that would be awesome!!!11"
@Sterno You see the message right under that? You know, the one where it actually does? :P
I did not open the edit history to see how it was linked, no.
And I was apparently busy searching for a Captain Crunch image. Priorities!
11:51
@Sterno *Commander Crunch
Now that I know it will drive @OrigamiRobot nuts to link it as an uploaded image, though, it seems like the best way to link xkcd.
It only annoyed me because I am sleepy and couldn't figure out why the alt text wasn't there.
Ugh ... need to get dressed and grab the mail ...
I'm just going to wander to the shop in my pyjamas
I see no point in getting dressed
<-- no pyjamas.
11:56
and then I think I'm going to go back to bed
That's the problem here.
@kalina are you a scouser?
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@TZHX no
You gain 845600 candies.
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12:17
untagged is now empty again
Fanatic badge on Sunday
what was that? Make your internet connection unavailable all weekend?
Visited the site each day for 100 consecutive days
I get mine again in 40 days
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KyleI was recently using Nodus and added my account and everything said bad login so i closed minecraft and tried to log back in and it said credidentail exception and all of my info is right all servers of minecraft are up and running what is up with that?

12:37
Mornin' chat.
morning
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Q: How to fast travel when not in the Batcave?

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Q: Why is there a \o/ next to the candy amount when you have 42?

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13:02
tumbleweed
that should be my electorate badge back
\o/
Good morning, Bridge
@fbueckert No.
13:23
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A: What do you do when a question is asked which is a collection of other asked questions?

OrigamiRobotWhen looking at situations like these, you have to take a few factors into consideration. Scope: Would the scope of a combined question still be reasonable? Relatedness: How likely is a person looking at one question going to want the answers to another? The squirrel questions are very reason...

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Q: battle for fort hraggstad glitch

thelostorcso I get the quest from Galmar but no stormcloaks or imperials are at the fort, I have tried everything I can think of but nobody shows to the party. There are three imperials on the road, I have tried killing and not killing them, I talked to Ulfric, I hit Galmar and paid the bounty. Can anyone ...

@OrigamiRobot you have the best of the answers I disagree with. :)
What part do you disagree with? I addressed all your cons.
My fundamental problem is that I don't think the supposed navigation benefits are so important that we should be doing this.
@Lazers classic nord name
13:35
I do not believe that "I could do this better... I'll ask my own and we can close the original" is a good idea on the site.
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Q: How can i reach the treasure in the right door of Desert Temple?

RogerHow can i reach the treasure in the right door of Desert Temple? I can't jump there.

@Sterno As someone who wanted all the answers, looking through the individual questions would have driven me away from this site to look elsewhere.
I say would have because I foresaw that problem and didn't even bother looking here.
You got stuck on every single one of those and needed to find each one?
@OrigamiRobot As someone who actually googled the questions one by one as I encountered them, it was a lot easier to find the solutions one by one
A whole answer would have spoiled the rest of the puzzles too
@3ventic That is addressed in my answer.
Hell, it's even addressed in the question.
13:38
hmm, I fell down a hole, and can't seem to get back up
I also strongly disagree with the notion you expressed in chat yesterday that the original askers were wrong for not having done this from the get-go. If I'm stuck on boss form 1, how do I know to ask about forms 2-5, or if they even exist.
@OrigamiRobot I fail to see it.
@Sterno I agree.
@Sterno If you don't know about forms 2-5, you're already going to ask "How do I beat the boss?"
> Sometimes people just want to see the one bit they're stuck on and not all the other riddles and solutions (though spoiler markup could help fix this).
> Well, you said it before I could. This just so happens to be a perfect use of spoiler markup. Plain and simple.
@OrigamiRobot maybe. Maybe not. Maybe he's got a badass fire attack and I just want to know how to protect against it
13:41
I am honestly dumbfounded that you are saying 5 separate questions are better than on in my Example 1.
I'm not saying its better. I'm saying its not wrong.
It depends a lot on the situation
We help people with their wuestions. We don't require them to write wiki pages. If they want to, bonus!
and in this case, I prefer the 5 separate questions than one that collects them
@Sterno I didn't say that is always wrong, I said it was wrong in the case of the squirrel questions.
There's nothing inherently wrong with asking about each separate form, but one question is clearly superior.
13:43
@OrigamiRobot I'm trying to understand how if I was stuck on riddle one, it would occur to me to say, "by the way, if there are any other riddles or puzzles, tell me the answers to those too"
Alright peoples... @Sterno is here, so this drama has to stop.
> A combined question helps each of these users exactly the same as individual questions would with the added bonus of saving those with multiple problems from having to look for each individual question.
@Fluttershy Except @Sterno is causing the drama!
Does that mean it's extra drama-y?
Extra crispy recipe
@Sterno Are we really pretending that the influx of Candy Box 2 askers didn't play Candy Box 1 and know about the frog's questions?
13:44
@OrigamiRobot How can you look for answers to multiple problems in a case where you can only run into them one by one?
@OrigamiRobot sure. I never played CB1, but I tired out CB2
You need to solve a problem to encounter the next
@Sterno tried*
@kalina yes, that
obviously you're very sleepy
sleeeeeeeeppppppyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
13:45
Still on ipad and too lazy to fix all typos
And you can even leave the squirrel before finishing them all and do something else in the game and then return to finish the rest
maybe you should blink really slowly
so slow that you close your eyes one hour and wake up tomorrow
@Sterno Do you still a baby in on hand and the iPad in the other?
Even hitting reply is a pain in the ass on this thing
@Wipqozn no baby
I didn't realise you and @Wipqozn were like that
13:46
@Sterno IS that "no, I don't have a baby", or are you calling me baby?
@kalina no comma
@Sterno Yeah, but then we can't make lame jokes.
I wish @Sterno would call me baby.
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17 secs ago, by Sterno
@kalina no comma
14 secs ago, by Wipqozn
@Sterno Yeah, but then we can't make lame jokes.
13:47
@OrigamiRobot your meta post continuing the drama gets me so excited, Baby!
That was hard to press enter on.
@Sterno Don't fight your robot love.
Sleep, or Batman. Hrm.
batman while you sleep
Also, I fail to see how having one squirrel question is wiki-like.
@Wipqozn no, baby
13:49
It doesn't.
Speaking of answers hidden behind spoilers: gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/137325/revisions
@GnomeSlice rolled it back for you
@kalina what, why
...the reason
@Sterno I'm taking advantage of your iPadness and editing my messages.
13:50
I really, really dislike the notion of "I don't like how this was done, I'm going to redo it myself and close the others". And in this case, its to make it more wiki-like, gathering all skill info in one place. That's not inherently bad, but that's also not the fundamental purpose of the site
I really don't understand you people...
@3ventic you shouldn't try
your brain will melt
@kalina Should I take out the 'spoilers below' bit?
That is one grumpy bun
13:51
looks at transcript ... I see, you gave @Sterno drama.
@GnomeSlice I don't care
@GnomeSlice Yes.
@FEichinger I brought the drama and am sharing
@Sterno No, the fundamental purpose of this site is to help people and get pageviews.
@OrigamiRobot why?
13:51
Editing old questions to be wider in scope and therefore include a new question to close the new one as a dupe is bad, but posting a new question extending and including an older question to close the old one as a dupe is good?
@kalina I think I just stopped trying
@OrigamiRobot and a not insignificant part of that is making people feel rewarded for their contributions
@3ventic Depends on the situation. What are you talking about here?
@OrigamiRobot In general
we're talking about cake
Trying to make these rules general is part of the problem.
13:52
when in doubt, assume the topic of conversation is cake
@OrigamiRobot Quite this.
FWIW, I googled a bit and two other sites I saw discussing this landed where you did, @OrigamiRobot
What I disagree with is the whole extremist no-middle-ground rules we try to make.
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patricki had an old ps3 80 gb from 2009 which suddenly had a hard disk error a few weeks saying could not start, the appropriate storage system was not found. I had backed it up a week prior this this error on an external harddisk. Now i have had to exchange this ps3 for a new super slim one since the o...

@OrigamiRobot Me too, that's what I hate.
13:54
Sometimes one question makes more sense, sometimes individual questions makes more sense. Use your brain and your votes.
General policies that can apply widespread are nice, but we can't always actually create them for every situation, and in some cases we should not attempt it.
@OrigamiRobot Middle-ground is confusing. Confusion is bad for everyone involved
@FEichinger Don't give @Sterno drama after midnight
@kalina Oh god, not again.
@FEichinger angel cake
13:54
@BenBrocka Don't ever give @Sterno drama.
@3ventic It's only confusing because people are too lazy to think for themselves and always want to simply say "Closed per this meta"
@kalina Screw. You.
If you're going to have middle-ground, you also need ONE person who can then decide which way it is, and that doesn't fit our democratic community.
Ambiguous and arbitrary middle ground is confusing. Something we can figure by context and sensible logic is much less so, though.
@FEichinger angel, covered in cake
13:55
Well technically it's always after midnight. Except for one minute when it IS midnight
@kalina NSFW
@kalina Hush.
@3ventic ...eh?
That's a very extremist view of middleground
@Sterno seems mainly worried about people gaming the system here. And that is the most valid point.
13:55
Where does this even come from? At no point have I seen any grey-area disputes require a single individual to essentially override the populace here.
@GraceNote If half the community says "in this case it's blargh" and half say "it must be blorgh", then which way is it going?
@BenBrocka Technically, it's always before midnight, too.
@3ventic Blergh.
@3ventic That's why it takes 5 close/reopen votes
Because I say so.
13:56
@3ventic How often do we get a mid split that absolutely no one can agree on?
We're all against hard rules until its one we like. Weren't you one of the people voting to close a question by someone who was in the wrong time zone for it to be out for them because you thought it was question camping, @OrigamiRobot?
@GraceNote never, it will never happen
@Sterno I know I was. And I still say it was asked in bad faith.
because at the end of the day, I'm always right
@Sterno Yes, I got overzealous. Just because I did something doesn't mean I am advocating it.
13:57
What I'm trying to say here is that in the end there will need to be a clear policy in a democratic community. Unless there is, there will be votes getting closer to that clear policy until it's clear.
@OrigamiRobot "don't do what I do, do what I say"
@kalina I want to say no ... But you've not been wrong in a while ...
I want to be clear. I'm not real worried about the dude gaining rep. I'm more worried about the people not gaining it.
If the policy isn't clear on something, there will be a vote about it, and after that the policy is clear about it.
@3ventic I think "use your head and listen to people when they explain situations" is a very vote-nargh-free policy.
13:58
And if this is a one-off, I care a lot less than if this becomes a pattern of us "fixing" content
@Sterno I'd rather teach them to ask better quality questions than give them rep for asking lower quality ones.
@GraceNote You know this never works in a heated argument..
@OrigamiRobot Making a retroactive dupe does none of those things, though.
2 days ago, by GnomeSlice
@GraceNote 'nargh'?
@OrigamiRobot I guess we also fundamentally still disagree on the notion that asking about just one riddle instead of all of them makes it a low quality question.
13:59
@FEichinger It.. does all of those things.
though I will say some were certainly poorly worded
@GnomeSlice We've been over this. Any word I say that isn't something you necessarily know, read it aloud and that'll explain it.

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