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12:00 AM

@alexanderpas Oh. It would probably mean more to me if I had played MH3U. :P

@LessPop_MoreFizz Damn, I was gonna ask if you made that or not. Also, I'm up through 22 now. Also also I listened to 19A then B then went back to A and it was like "paradigm shift I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ANYMORE".

Today's Listening

and sleeptime, night all

12:16 AM

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Q: What can I expect from a Minecraft Server running FTB with 3gbs of RAM?

My server has 3gb's of RAM. I have not the slightest clue what this means for my server. I'm interested in knowing what I can accomplish or allow on the server with this amount of ram. Information I'm interested in includes but isn't necessarily limited to, how many players can play at once bef...

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Q: Why will iron door bottom not break when Minecraft updates a random block for every chunk?

Sethbling reliably uses iron door bottoms for force fields in his creations, but (why) aren't these prone to getting updated when Minecraft chooses them at random to make them update, thus breaking them? Is it about the height level of them? Or maybe the gamerule doFireTick?

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Q: How to report bug in plants vs zombies 2? Any donas or award?

I have found a bug in plants vs zombies 2. Do I need report to them? Youtube Video about Bug in plants vs zombies 2

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@FAE THis is the proper way to listen to the Sandstorm.

Also fuck Desert Bluffs and fuck Steve Carlsberg.

@LessPop_MoreFizz What a jerk

Also I am still way behind.

Next one on the list is 12

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FALCON PUNCH

12:34 AM

@fbueckert @GnomeSlice @whoeverelse LightSwitch KSP Mod

@FEichinger oooooo this is SICK

:o

There are drills in KSP now?

@GnomeSlice Nah, that's Kethane.

Oh.

But this still works for like ladders and lights and shit right?

@GnomeSlice It's still WIP, as far as I can tell you'll have to copy/code the actual functions yourself right now.

Oh. =[

12:37 AM

But there is a GUI for that planned, too, apparently.

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@FEichinger This would be essentially useless to me

I haven't actually played KSP in a long time anyway, I got bored doing the same failed launches over and over

It's so frustrating not being able to go anywhere or do anything.

Basically, you're the Russian Space Programme. Keep at it, and try to find out just what it is that fails - then fix that.

And start small. Like, really small.

I've been playing it forever.

It would be nice to be able to get shit to the moon reliably, for example.

Or build a station.

I've never even tried to do that.

Once you figure out a couple of designs that get you into orbit reliably, you can expand for larger payloads.

Usually, anything that gets you into orbit with a reasonable amount of fuel left will also get you to both of Kerbin's satellites.

@FEichinger This never happens any more for me.

and all my old rockets are gone with the switch to the steam version

I need an infinite fuel mod

Just so I can play around and have fun with it

12:48 AM

@GnomeSlice Alt+F12 on the Start Menu, I believe.

I did manage to get a base to the moon somehow in the last version, but it's gone now too

it was sweet

@FEichinger Wait, what?

@GnomeSlice There's a Debug Menu. With Cheats. Such as Infinite Fuel.

@GnomeSlice that's easy.

!!!

@alexanderpas Speak for yourself.

@GnomeSlice step 1: orbit step 2: transfer to moon at the right moment (plannned using a maneuvre node) step3: orbit. step 4: land

12:52 AM

@alexanderpas Step 2's even easier than that.

Burn at prograde whenever at periapsis.

When apoapsis intersects moon orbit, stop burning, and wait for it to catch you.

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^-- @GnomeSlice Alt+F12

@alexanderpas I never have enough fuel

@FEichinger EEEEEEEEEE

@FEichinger I am going to buy you a game.

@GnomeSlice Believe me, you need the money a whole lot more than I do.

I have a job now. Well, until Sept 15

@GnomeSlice wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial:Asparagus_Staging

12:53 AM

How did you know about this?

@GnomeSlice Ugh, various reasons. For one, it's somewhere in the wiki I believe.

And it's mentioned on dev blogs from time to time.

@fbueckert Yeah that's how I do it too

@GnomeSlice learn to plan with maneuver nodes, it makes stuff so simple.

@alexanderpas I was planning on trying to learn them once I can build decent rockets.

But I still haven't gotten to there yet.

Or maybe I just really suck at getting into orbit

@GnomeSlice are you using a gravity turn?

12:57 AM

@alexanderpas Don't you have to?

you can't just go straight up and achieve orbit

@GnomeSlice Oh, believe me, you can.

@FEichinger not one that doesn't fall back to earth

unless you escape

@GnomeSlice with enough deltaV you can.

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Q: What book do I need and where do I get it to re-enter Castlekeep?

What book do I need and where do I get it to return to Castle keep?

@alexanderpas Is that thrust?

12:59 AM

@GnomeSlice Well, maybe you can't. But it's very much possible. Done that for a while myself, actually.

If you don't turn at some point you can't get into orbit.

You will just go straight up... won't you?

If I didn't know everyone was talking about kerbal, I would swear that there was a lot of sexual innuendo going on here.

@GnomeSlice you aren't going straight up in the first place, kerbin rotates.

@alexanderpas Oh, I suppose.

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WAT

@GnomeSlice what direction and angle do you usually turn when starting the gravity turn?

1:03 AM

@alexanderpas Uh... right. The one that is easier to take off from, whichever one it is.

Angle, who knows. something like 15 degrees then 45

I just kind of eyeball it

what orbit height are you usually aiming for?

@alexanderpas Orbit

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@GnomeSlice Mind uploading a craft file you're trying to get into orbit?

@FEichinger Uh... I can try. If I can figure out how to get at the steam ones

@GnomeSlice {steam root}/steamapps/common/Kerbal Space Program/saves, if I'm not mistaken

1:10 AM

@FEichinger looks right, cool

I don't even have many ships in the steam version apparently

haven't really played since I switched it over

I shouldn't have

I just wanted easier updating

To be fair, the craft files would likely be incompatible by now anyway.

Or spontaneously disassemble.

Yeah I didn't bring any of them over

@SaintWacko Relevant to our discussion awhile ago about towing asteroids into Earth orbit

@FEichinger ge.tt/4VCDE0T?c

Try 'Apalling Lander'

The other one is probably incompatible now, it's old

I just uploaded the other one though

that is like my first iteration of that rocket though

probably won't make it

I'm trying the Lander right now.

You need a lot more kick on that central engine. Use the mainsail.

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1:25 AM

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^-- Couple of tweaks just to reduce weight and add thrust.

@FEichinger I had one of the smaller mainsails on there but it looked like it was eating up too much fuel

Are those 6 smaller ones enough to lift it on their own?

@GnomeSlice Yep.

That's why I moved the mainsail to Stage 4, too.

IT didn't seem like enough when I tried it before

That looks more like the way I had it when I looked at it tonight

before I edited it and uploaded it

lol

except my mainsail was one of the smaller 600 thrust ones

You used the Poodle, if I recall correctly. Which is really, really pointless in the atmosphere.

1:32 AM

@FEichinger poodle is a nice one for an asperagus booster stage.

@FEichinger I changed it, it was one of the 600 thrust ones when I first looked at it tonight

I jiggered it a bit before I uploaded it

Obviously poorly

Jan 4 at 4:11, by GnomeSlice

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That was my crowning achievement.

Except I goofed and it didn't have any people in it

@GnomeSlice I can understand that due to the size.

It was a drone base I guess.

I start with 100% throttle, all six outer engines. At ~3,500 altitude, I add the mainsail, go down to 2/3 throttle. At 10,000 I start the gravity turn, with gives me 30,000 when I drop the boosters. (Which, for that matter, easily crash into the rocket, might wanna rethink the decouplers there).

With lots and lots of living space.

@alexanderpas Yeah I flew it there all in one piece too.

I wish I still had the rocket.

@FEichinger I've never had problems with them hitting it, but okay.

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1:35 AM

There is a TV show entitled The Man With The 132-Pound Scrotum. I just thought you guys might want to be aware of that little fact. It's on 'The Learning Channel'.

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I'm at 45,000 now, with ~20% fuel left for the mainsail.

Having ignored the map, my Ap is at ~200k now, too. Oops.

@LessPop_MoreFizz looks like he needs a ball sack for his ball sack...

@LessPop_MoreFizz wat

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@GnomeSlice That is a picture of the man with the 132 pound scrotum.

It weighs 132 pounds.

His scrotum weighs as much as me.

1:37 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz let me guess, american healthcare?

Or pretty close anyway

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@alexanderpas Pretty much, yes.

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> By this point, he had received about $8,000 in donations via his PayPal account, attached to the e-mail address benefiballsack@yahoo.com.

@FEichinger now add asperagus staging, and you have fuel to spare.

1:38 AM

@FEichinger Orbital map?

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@alexanderpas Basically, getting a reality show is the best thing that ever happened to this guy because it brought him to the attention of an out of state specialist who was able to treat him, whereas the doctors available to him through public assistance in his home state were unable to do anything for him.

@alexanderpas Yep. That's before circularising right now, though. The node is set for Ap:200k Pe:160k.

Which is just down to me not looking at the map while documenting.

@LessPop_MoreFizz It was a TV special.

Else I'd be ~100k for the orbit, with plenty fuel for circularising.

@FEichinger whoa... 100k is more than enough to orbit.

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1:40 AM

@Ullallulloo Yes. A TV Show. Single episode, but a TV show, nonetheless.

> Though he is on the road to recovery, Warren says his ordeal should not have lasted as long as it did. Ahead of the airing of his TLC documentary, he said Americans need better access to health care.

He had it removed before it aired too, IIRC.

@alexanderpas Read further. I was typing here while that thing flew. :P

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Q: Should we be closing questions that involve software that is illegal to distribute, but legal to download?

Recently a question has been closed for asking about some Obsidian client for Minecraft on SevenSidedDie's assertion that it was used to bypass Minecraft's DRM. The askers claims that it does no such thing, to which SevenSidedDie replies: Regardless, it's illegal to redistribute Minecraft binarie...

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@FEichinger Is it still going?

1:42 AM

Yeh, but that orbit is not happening. Overshot it. But as I said, it's definitely doable, with a couple of tweaks. (One definitely being asparagus staging).

@FEichinger I don't know what that is.

Dec 24 '12 at 20:30, by GnomeSlice

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Actually that's probably the most difficult thing I ever got into orbit CC @alexanderpas

I had to get @TrentHawkins to build me a rocket

And then I left the damn SAS off it by mistake so it was nearly impossible to orient.

that shit was so heavy

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@GnomeSlice wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Tutorial:Asparagus_Staging

Borderlands 2 is coming to Vita?

@SepiaLazers Man, I'd go get in on that for the drama potential, but after reading the meta and the question that spawned it, I still don't know what the hell its saying.

@FEichinger Oh, neat. But too complicated for me.

Makes sense though.

I never did manage to transport another station core up into orbit and see if I could connect it to the other one

1:47 AM

@GnomeSlice It's pretty simple, really.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Are you ready for Storage Wars Canada?

I'm expecting a bunch of terrible stereotypes.

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@GnomeSlice I'll be in Canada just in time for it premiering I suppose

@GnomeSlice This should get you into orbit nice and easy

@FEichinger Trying

2:02 AM

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A: Should we be closing questions that involve software that is illegal to distribute, but legal to download?

I think we should treat this type of questions as usual. If the Question and Answer is the same, no matter the source it came from, (legit or non-legit,) treat them as if it came from a legit source. (and make edits to the question where needed.) If the Question is clearly impossible to disconn...

@FEichinger I don't think the craft file transferred properly, are the side tanks all supposed to be connected to the main one?

there!

@GnomeSlice Yes.

They aren't

bah

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wait why did it only drop two of the side tanks

@GnomeSlice Because that's Asparagus Staging.

It's all perfectly correct.

2:04 AM

Oh, so they aren't all supposed to be attached to the center

because if you notice in my screen

some of the engines stopped

I'm sorry, not all to the main tank, but all among each other. I thought you were "just" confused by the fuel lines in general" ;)

So I'm supposed to drop them?

@GnomeSlice Yep.

ergh

I give up

It will drop side tanks in a spiral until only the center is left. That way, you retain more fuel with less mass.

And I've set up the staging so the mainsail can be fired after the first pair drops, but you can move that around, if it doesn't work out.

2:08 AM

I don't think it's working right for me

I'm down to the last two small engines by about 2500m

you said I shouldn't kick in the mainsail until 3500

I'm terrible at this

@GnomeSlice That was before asparagus staging. ;)

oh

Valid edit (revision 3)? gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/128325/revisions

I need to figure out how to link revision comparisons correctly

Somehow I missed until right this very instant that in Saints Row 4, you're the President of the United States (and still a gang leader).

I'm curious to see what that election looked like.

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@Sterno You also have superpowers

and fight aliens!

This sounds like the best TV series idea ever.

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2:20 AM

@Sterno I dunno man, The Man With The 132-Pound Scrotum is a pretty hard idea to top.

@Sterno Now you just reminded me that THQ is dead. sadface

@LessPop_MoreFizz Not if your superpower is having a 132 lb scrotum. Then you've got that, PLUS the president and aliens thing.

Though a dude with a 132 lb scrotum is probably not a dude who wants to get into a brawl.

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@Sterno Yeah, his SECRET WEAKNESS is remarkably un-secret.

On the other hand, in keeping with SR's theme, that would probably also be a pretty nifty weapon.

> I don't care if your boobs are fake. I know Space Jam wasn't real and I love Space Jam. ~ Borgore

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2:29 AM

@OrigamiRobot This doesn't seem right...

@StrixVaria ... Spined Wurm?

I have like six of those.

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@StrixVaria burn chick fil a to the ground

@LessPop_MoreFizz Pretty much.

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the only thing chick fil a is good for imo is stealing the good ketchup cup packets from in large quantities.

Which is a thing I do on the reg, because those things are awesome.

2:36 AM

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@LessPop_MoreFizz Are they the ones that you can either squeeze or dip into?

@GnomeSlice morbid.

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@StrixVaria Yes.

Those things are a revolution in modern mobile ketchup technology.

@alexanderpas Kinda, yeah.

2:38 AM

@StrixVaria Uhhh... wat?

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@OrigamiRobot There is going to be a live night vale show in north carolina

@OrigamiRobot The more I look at it the more I can't tell whether it's a troll or someone who is just completely out of touch with reality.

@LessPop_MoreFizz :O

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@OrigamiRobot BUT

Greensboro.

@StrixVaria Like, I wanna say they meant "In Standard" at that time, but even that seems super low.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Not that far.

2:40 AM

@OrigamiRobot Spined Wurm, though.

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.@smgiscool Other live shows scheduled in October. Confirmed: Greensboro. Very likely: Los Angeles. Want us in your town? Bug a venue.

Tweeted by NightValeRadio on August 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM in reply to smgiscool

wat

no

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@OrigamiRobot go to it

I've been to Greensboro.

The gas station there accepted cash or check, but not credit.

@LessPop_MoreFizz I need to know when in October.

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2:43 AM

@OrigamiRobot Not yet announced.

@OrigamiRobot Not October 10th.

@LessPop_MoreFizz How much were tickets for the NYC one?

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@OrigamiRobot 25bux

I need dat

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@OrigamiRobot enjoy the drive to greensboro

@LessPop_MoreFizz Only 2 hours.

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2:49 AM

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Crime Investigation

Proposed Q&A site for detectives and for people who are interested in investigation

Currently in definition.

Morning

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hahahahahahahahahahaha

The sample questions read less like crime investigation and more like crime commission

@LessPop_MoreFizz lolwut

@LessPop_MoreFizz omg, "Crime Investigation". Couch experts

@StrixVaria No, at no point in this reality was this list ever accurate. Bloodghast is from Zendikar which also had the Fetch Lands. Misty Rainforest has never been below $10.

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2:52 AM

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Proposed Q&A site for recreational anglers who specifically target carp

Closed before being launched.

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Q: The example questions here seem to be more about how to commit crimes than how to investigate them after the fact

This strikes me as a fairly poor basis for an SE site, especially in light of the various legal liability issues the current example questions would raise. Proposal: Crime Investigation

@LessPop_MoreFizz Area 51 didn't get the new close reasons.

@LessPop_MoreFizz They're off-topic by definition, I'd just reflect that on the proposal.

@LessPop_MoreFizz And, yeh, we had that before. Crap Fishing and all.

@FEichinger And again, we have a site with that in-scope.

@StrixVaria WHY AM I STILL LOOKING INTO THIS

Saints Row IV is fun as hell.

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3:03 AM

@Fluttershy It is basically Saint's Row + Prototype.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Which is fun as hell.

@OrigamiRobot You guys still playing?

Am I unclear or something?

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A: Should we be closing questions that involve software that is illegal to distribute, but legal to download?

I think we should treat this type of questions as usual. If the Question and Answer is the same, no matter the source it came from, (legit or non-legit,) treat them as if it came from a legit source. (and make edits to the question where needed.) If the Question is clearly impossible to disconn...

@SaintWacko Nope, we just quit for the night.

@OrigamiRobot Bah, alright

Just got home

3:12 AM

No worries, nothing eventful happened.

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@alexanderpas No, Kotzekot is just stubbornly defending the letter of the law in opposition to it's spirit, IMO

@LessPop_MoreFizz looks at that spelling Really, now?

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@FEichinger typed from memory, for some reason I've always transposed the letters in my head and never actually paid attention to the proper order of letters I guess.

May 10 at 0:58, by FEichinger

On an unrelated note ... I always read "kotekzot" as "kotzekot" - which roughly translates to "vomitshit" from German.

Just saying.

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@FEichinger I didn't know that

3:17 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz It is rather curious, isn't it?

@LessPop_MoreFizz He's not even doing that.

If I download a non-cracked version of Sim City 4 without paying for it, it doesn't matter if the DRM is still in place or not. It's illegal.

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@OrigamiRobot Alternately, he's claiming we should be cool wit ROM sites since it's legal to own the ROMs it's just not legal to distribute them, maaaaan

You can't own land, man.

MAN YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T OWN

He should listen to me, I know what I'm talking about. I stayed awake for nearly the entire presentation on trademarks/patents/copyrights during Senior Design Seminar.

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3:23 AM

@Mana I will be back in your city next week

@LessPop_MoreFizz sweet!

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Hopefully I will not be sick again.

@Mana Also, have you seen This Charming Charlie?

@LessPop_MoreFizz no

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@Mana Smiths Lyrics + Peanuts.

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@Mana thischarmingcharlie.tumblr.com

haha nice

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3:26 AM

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I want something like Steam for films, series, anime...

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@spyder It's called Netflix

Alternately, it's called iTunes.

@LessPop_MoreFizz And Crunchyroll.

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Alternately, it's called Amazon.

@LessPop_MoreFizz but it works only online and only in USA

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3:29 AM

@Fluttershy I don't know from Anime.

28 secs ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

Alternately, it's called iTunes.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Crunchyroll is basically Netflix, but exclusively anime, I think.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Now give me a non-Apple version and I'm pleased.

Steam only works online (mostly). And if you use the Hola unblocker, you can pretend you are in the US from anywhere.

@JasonBerkan So much for the "we don't support piracy" part :P

vote-to-close

3:30 AM

:P

@LessPop_MoreFizz it work very strange in my country

@Brant vote-to-close

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1 min ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

Alternately, it's called Amazon.

Netflix could choose to identify my account as Canadian if they wanted to. Not really my fault they rely on IP addresses for content.

@JasonBerkan I can play in offline mode

3:31 AM

@spyder I know. Hence "(mostly)".

@LessPop_MoreFizz Okay, now give me that without a credit card or physical copies and a flatrate, like half the US gets it.

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@FEichinger Now you're just getting picky

@badp is this the machine you run TF2 on?

I hate copyright holders :( They try to ban torrent-trackers and other stuff but provides no convenient services for distribution of films. If they will create something like Steam-for-films, I'll forget about torrents. With Steam I forgot about pirated games and I want same service for films, series, anime which will run on all platforms (Win, Linux, Android, etc.)

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3:34 AM

@spyder god forbid people who make a thing be allowed to decide the means by which they sell the thing.

@LessPop_MoreFizz I just want Europe to get an offer that is at least somewhat comparable to what the US gets. I'm restricted to a small selection, and hardly anything that isn't dubbed. It makes my ears bleed.

@spyder Welcome to the paranoia inherent in gatekeeper industries.

Also, this week seems to be discuss piracy week.

HEY GUYS HAVE YOU SEEN THIS (OATMEAL|XKCD) COMIC ABOUT THIS ISSUE

(pastes link)

If it exists, there is an XKCD on it.

If it's a cat, there is an Oatmeal on it.

Discuss.

3:36 AM

@spyder The non-video game entertainment industry is far behind on technology.

@Fluttershy Touché

Assassin's Creed is doing pirates now?

I only played the first one.

@FEichinger if it's an dubbed anime, there's an abridged version of it.

Personally, I feel it's too soon after AC3. Makes it feel like the next CoD. But... I'll probably still play it. x_x

@Fluttershy Yearly releases is the least of AC's problems, in my opinion.

3:37 AM

@Brant That's never going to work; That stick of ram is inserted wrong.

@Fluttershy looks pretty. I may day 1. Will probably disappoint like 3. I like pirates!

@FEichinger Oh?

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@OrigamiRobot TBQH, the music industry is pretty with it, Ironically.

@Brant Source link? Does that... even do anything?

@skovacs1 I quit playing 3. Two reasons, 1) someone in here spoiled the ending for me, and b) I hated the main character.

@LessPop_MoreFizz random reddit thread

3:38 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz More so than the rest by far.

@OrigamiRobot porn is an engine of progress. Do you remember the story of the cassettes VHS and Betamax?

Whenever there's a format war, follow the porn industry. always.

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Waaaaaaant.

@Fluttershy Cramming in gimmicky features (tower defense ugh), shifting focus from historical reimagination to that whole Alien conspiracy thingy, that turned me off. Mind you, I'm still buying and playing them because the gameplay is usually fun, but it's not the series the original started.

@FEichinger Alien conspiracy thing? That something from AC3? Because everything I've seen up to this point is nothing about aliens. <_<

3:40 AM

@FEichinger I hear that. Crunchyroll subs, as much help as they need, are better than dubs. You could torrent from sub groups, with almost nobody to pursue the international copyright, but I cannot advocate that on grounds that it could be supporting piracy (many of those are actually cruncyroll rips :P).

@Brant only when it is down to one format.

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@Fluttershy But that would involve giving Musk money.

@Fluttershy I don't even bother to understand that whole stuff, because it's so friggin pointless.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Musk money.

10 hours ago, by Fluttershy

Guys, I think I wanna have Elon Musk's babies. <_<

3:43 AM

@Fluttershy Why, if you did, you wouldn't have to give him money anymore, I guess. :P

Although that would get complicated still.

@FEichinger Yeah! He'd give me money.

@Fluttershy No, he'd give you a car, duh!

@FEichinger A fair trade.

@Fluttershy I did everything, but the get the multiplayer trophies, otherwise I would have the platinum. It was buggy as heck too, but most were non-breaking.

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I am a longtime Musk doubter. He is a modern day snake oil salesman.

3:46 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz He has, however, also genetically engineered the snake to actually produce oil.

@LessPop_MoreFizz SpaceX is doing pretty well. As is Tesla Motors. I do think the Hyperloop is a bit of a pipe-dream (no pun intended).

@Fluttershy maybe not intended, but well received.

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@FEichinger Eh... I dunno about that. Tesla wouldn't be profitable without government subsidy. SpaceX still has a ways to go. Paypal is justifiably widely reviled. Hyperloop is an absolute joke. "Oh yeah, I had this idea, but I don't have time to do it, so... yeah!"

@LessPop_MoreFizz A lot of stuff wouldn't be profitable without government subsidy. Including an utmost fundamental: food. SpaceX is doing fairly well, for being part of an inherently inefficient industry. PayPal is just controversial. And the hyperloop is a concept, it sure has flaws, but in theory it doesn't sound all that bad. The practice is where it's very likely to lack big time.

It's just like we could theoretically do a space elevator ... Practice just says no.

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@FEichinger My point is that all the ELON MUSK IS THE NEXT STEVE JOBS HE IS A WORLD REVOLUTIONIZING GENIUS talk is waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion to any actual results the man has achieved.

3:54 AM

I still think it's pretty impressive that the Model S actually broke a piece of crash test safety... testing... equipment. =P

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yea but that talk about Steve Jobs got out of proportion too.

For some reason, I'm just going on a Quad City DJs Youtube Spree

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@OrigamiRobot Eh, looking back, I don't know that it did.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Don't get me wrong, we owe a lot to the man. Hell, Microsoft owes a lot to him.

3:57 AM

But the blind fanaticism went (and still goes) too far.

A big difference between Jobs and Musk is that while Apple sold mostly on brand and the man himself, Musk's results sell on their own merits primarily.

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