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Powerlord

14:01

@GraceNote I've had a StackOverflow Mortarboard since before Arqade (or Gaming StackExchange) existed!

Grace Note

You actually have reason to be proud of that, though.

Powerlord

Hmm, weird, when did I get a second Populist badge on SO? I don't remember seeing a thing about it in my feed.

Grace Note

September 2012, apparently.

Powerlord

What's weird is that question doesn't have an accepted answer.

Ben Brocka

IT'S LIKE YOU'RE REALLY IN THE GAME

Grace Note

14:04

@Powerlord It must've been unaccepted at some later point after you got the badge.

Oh, wait, I see.

The original accepted answer was Safraz's (though for a second he accepted yours before switching back). Safraz's answer was at one point a +10 or higher, specifically in time for you to take the win in September 2012. Then in June the answer was deleted, which does eventually clear the acceptance checkmark.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot WE ARE LOST WITHOUT YOUR GUIDANCE

5pike

@BenBrocka what the hell?

Ben Brocka

@5pike It's The Fighter Within, Ubisoft's brilliant motion controlled Kinect 2 fighting game that will surely be great

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Looks like Wii boxing.

Ben Brocka

Looks more like this:

Sterno

14:10

Ugh, this

Arperum

@BenBrocka In a couple years they will add some form of response to your hits, so it feels like hitting someone in real life.

Lazers

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Q: How do I get the "Payback" achievement?

In Half-Life 2 Episode Two there is a "Payback" achievement. Its description reads: Kill a Hunter with its own flechettes. I have spent quite some time trying to get that achievement but I am not sure how to do it. I have tried to pick up the flechettes by hand or with the gravity gun. I ha...

half-life-2

Sterno

Adding it to the list of questions for my rebuttal next time someone says downvotes should require a reason.

Ben Brocka

@Arperum Introducing the Kinect Power Glove with rumble. It's so bad.

Wipqozn

@Sterno Downvotes should require a reason.

Upvotes should too.

Sterno

14:11

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Q: How do I obtain the Fishcake?

I've seen a few players who had the fishcake, and though I'm aware it is just a reskin of another food item I still would like to have it. So, is my only option to trade for it or what are my options? I'm not sure if it is buyable in the store, I'll check later.

team-fortress-2 tf2-heavy

BAM

SaintWacko

Morning, Bridge

Wipqozn

Also, everytime you favourite a question you should leave a comment.

Sterno

(it's a small list)

Wipqozn

Also if you edit a question leave a comment too.

Also if you choose NOT to vote on a question leave a comment.

SaintWacko

Also leave a comment if you look at a question

fbueckert

14:12

@Sterno One of the few areas we (sorta) agree on.

Sterno

Do you have to leave a comment if you leave a comment, explaining why you left the comment?

SaintWacko

Or even think about it

Ben Brocka

Every time you have inappropriate thoughts while looking at a user's gravatar leave a comment

Wipqozn

@Sterno Obviously you do. Don't ask dumb questions.

SaintWacko

If you're scrolling through the list of questions and glance at a title, leave a comment explaining why

Powerlord

14:12

> I'm not a political person, by choice

-- The person who runs Groklaw

Ben Brocka

> There are Sims making out in a rocket ship.

SaintWacko

@Powerlord Are they using Grok as in to know?

Ben Brocka

Exciting liveblog of EA's conference

SaintWacko

Because that would be awesome

Powerlord

@SaintWacko If you've never read Groklaw, the person who owns it saying they're not a political person when they were involved in writing the GPLv3 is what we call a "bald-faced lie"

FEichinger

14:14

@fbueckert "Too bad SE doesn't have a blocking feature." That, coming from a person who pissed off almost the entire Bridge at one point ... Geez.

Arperum

@BenBrocka I think it would feel much more satisfying to hit some annoying brat in the face physically then through a screen. It would kind of work for friends i guess.

Wipqozn

@fbueckert To be fair, you did offer him advice on how to improve his question. You monster.

SaintWacko

@BenBrocka The Power Glove is exactly what the Kinect needs

fbueckert

@FEichinger He's just pissed that he edited his question, and I still wasn't happy with it. That's fine, it's his prerogative.

@Wipqozn I know! I should've just downvoted and moved on!

SaintWacko

The ability to use hand gestures while still being able to press buttons

fbueckert

14:15

In fact, that's exactly what I said I'd do, last week.

Wipqozn

His edit didn't really address your concerns at all. He just missed your point completely.

fbueckert

Turns out, helping users is ingrained in me.

FEichinger

@fbueckert I'm just saying, he out of all people ...

Wipqozn

He's added more detail now though.

Ben Brocka

In theory you can use the kinect for broad motion gestures while holding an actual controller for actual controls

fbueckert

14:16

@Wipqozn Added more detail, and sorta proved my point at the same time.

Ben Brocka

But more likely it'll just be used for Kinect Sports 2 and...lots of really bad games

SaintWacko

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A: What are the strange planks for?

Warning: this answer spoils the game ending.

fbueckert

"See title" really was a hallmark of a bad question. He hadn't done any research beforehand.

Ben Brocka

Steel Battalion 4 Break your fucking TV edition with Kinect

Tim Stone

@BenBrocka And TV.

SaintWacko

14:17

I wish we could close answers as duplicates

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka Stop making me sad!

Ben Brocka

They should totally have a Kinect TV

fbueckert

@BenBrocka That automatically cracks the screen if you pull off an undocumented, yet easily mistaken, move.

SaintWacko

I hate when I have two Chrome windows open (my main window with all my tabs and a second one I was watching a video on) and accidentally close the main window first. All it remembers is the other one, and I lose all my tabs -.-

Tim Stone

I use the Session Buddy extension and just use it to restore my multi-window set of tabs for that very reason, heh.

Arperum

14:20

Some Kinect game should add a really low chance on large movements to suddenly layer an image of a broken screen over your game. Or fake dead pixels.

Ben Brocka

@SaintWacko ctrl shift T reopens the last tab, if you do that before closing the second window, you'll get the previous window back

Arperum

And then send the reaction of people to those things to youtube or something.

SaintWacko

@Arperum In other news, the incidences of shock induced heart attacks has risen 100%

@BenBrocka ...I can't find the shit key

Ben Brocka

It's a pretty crappy key

FEichinger

Tim Stone

14:22

@SaintWacko Good news! The new Kinect can monitor your heartbeat and call the paramedics for you.

SaintWacko

@BenBrocka And yeah, I know about that key combo, but I never think about it until I've already restarted my computer

fbueckert

@TimStone It also knows exactly where you are, so it can direct the paramedics directly to your door.

FEichinger

@TimStone Will it wait for a voice command to do so?

Arperum

@TimStone Problem solved! Plus free entertainment for the masses.

SaintWacko

@TimStone It also uses this to know when you're having sex, and displays this on the screen:

FEichinger

14:24

@SaintWacko Priceless.

Ben Brocka

@SaintWacko yeah I've done that too. I'm especially at risk since Chrome seems to have stopped automatically shutting down with windows so I have to manally close it

Arperum

@SaintWacko And another session of heart attacks launched.

SaintWacko

@BenBrocka For me, when windows update restarts my computer, it just starts killing off tabs. So the first indication I usually have that it's restarting is I get the "He's dead, Jim!" message

Ben Brocka

Huh, never had it do that

SaintWacko

@BenBrocka do you run it in multi-process mode?

Ben Brocka

14:26

I run it in whatever the default is

fbueckert

sigh Why would someone vote to reopen this?

Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment

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Carp Fishing

Proposed Q&A site for recreational anglers who specifically target carp

Currently in definition.

FEichinger

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment o.ô

fbueckert

Silly turtle, doing legwork for other users.

Ben Brocka

NO BASS FISHERS ALLOWED

OrigamiRobot

14:29

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment wat

Wipqozn

@fbueckert Meh, sounds like he's not in a position to check the store right now.

Ben Brocka

And if you catch a salmon I swear I will fucking cut you

Wipqozn

That is to say he's not aware there is an online store.

Arperum

@FEichinger Fishing for carp is clearly completely different then any and all other fishing things.

FEichinger

@Wipqozn Which just means he shouldn't have asked the question in the first place. Research. Effort.

Wipqozn

14:30

Although I agree with @FEichinger he should have just waited until he could have checked the store.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Time for carp-activities to be the star of the site.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I was born for this moment.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert The asker?

fbueckert

@NewlyOpenedProposalsforEntertainment How do I avoid getting my head bitten off? We need fish for the colony, but those fish are dangerous!

FEichinger

@GraceNote Amount of mistyped "crap activities"? NOT ENOUGH.

fbueckert

14:30

@SaintWacko Would not surprise me in the least.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot That's a pretty carpy thing to be born for.

Ben Brocka

Man this site's a load of carp

OrigamiRobot

If you want fish/poop jokes, just talk about crappies.

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Time to hit the shit key

OrigamiRobot

Unless you pronounce that crah-pee like some kind of monster.

Sterno

14:33

There's a line somewhere between constructive feedback and hostility when commenting on questions, and I feel like we keep going over the line lately.

FEichinger

10 mins ago, by FEichinger

Ben Brocka

EA has made the only important announcement they will make at gamescom:

FEichinger

@Sterno Particular example you're referring to right now?

Sterno

24 mins ago, by Sterno

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Q: How do I obtain the Fishcake?

I've seen a few players who had the fishcake, and though I'm aware it is just a reskin of another food item I still would like to have it. So, is my only option to trade for it or what are my options? I'm not sure if it is buyable in the store, I'll check later.

team-fortress-2 tf2-heavy

Arperum

@BenBrocka Don't you dare steal my soul again!

FEichinger

14:35

@Sterno The first hostile comment I see comes from the asker himself.

Tim Stone

@BenBrocka They already announced Peggle2, that's not even news!

Ben Brocka

@TimStone You're not even news

Arperum

@BenBrocka The unicorn looks kinda really dumb though.

FEichinger

@BenBrocka Your face isn't even news.

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger Your mom was news

Private Pansy

14:37

FEichinger

@BenBrocka Your mom is news.

5pike

@Arperum Should make it more MLP like - sales would skyrocket.

Sterno

Understand that when you leave feedback for someone with a downvote, they're already in a state of mind where they're defensive and feel like you're calling them stupid. Continuing to argue with them doesn't help. And even if they make a first hostile comment, it's not an excuse to keep it going.

Ben Brocka

@Arperum The animals always looked kinda dumb

When's the Sony thing at gamescom?

FEichinger

@Sterno So we should just not say anything, because anything we do say will make them cry?

Sterno

14:38

I mean, the goal is to let them know what you didn't like so they can improve their question, right? Once that goal is accomplished, further discussion is just fanning the flames.

FEichinger

I'm sorry, but that is worthy of the Shit key.

Arperum

@BenBrocka I know, I played the original too much to be healthy, but this ones head looks even worse.

Tim Stone

@BenBrocka :O!

Wipqozn

@Sterno Yeah, I agree. There's no point arguing with them.

Grace Note

I think the alternative is to ask for elaboration on the post without summarily saying "Your question is bad" with attached emphasis.

OrigamiRobot

14:39

@GraceNote emphasis mine

Arperum

@OrigamiRobot I was just about to ping you with that.

FEichinger

When they say they "fixed" the post and it isn't fixed, we have to tell them yet again that it isn't fixed, simple as that.

Sterno

You don't have to tell them anything, ever.

FEichinger

And if we don't elaborate on how to fix it - and why it needs to be fixed - we're not helping at all.

Ben Brocka

@Arperum I don't think it looks that bad aside from the "drill" horn thing. The new PVZ's artstyle I don't like as much though

at least the plants, I think they look worse

Sterno

14:40

When you do tell them things, it would be best to do it in as friendly and constructive a manner as possible. If the user doesn't seem receptive to hearing it, it seems best to just let it go.

Wipqozn

@FEichinger Yes, but if they're just being hostile and unwilling to listen then why bother helping them?

Just let it go and move on.

Sterno

Or edit it yourself, like @Wipqozn did.

OrigamiRobot

You can't teach those who don't want to be taught.

5pike

@OrigamiRobot amen

Martin Sojka

Carp fishing, eh? Well, it's a relaxing hobby, really. You just have to watch out for the sharks.

Arperum

14:41

@BenBrocka The drill horn and its mouth.

Martin Sojka

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OrigamiRobot

@MartinSojka Not a carp. This joke is a failure.

Martin Sojka

@OrigamiRobot There's a carp in the bowl.

OrigamiRobot

@MartinSojka No, that's a beta

Arperum

@MartinSojka Definitely not a carp.

OrigamiRobot

14:43

You had potential. Goldfish are carp, but that's not a goldfish.

skovacs1

Carp

Carp are various species of oily freshwater fish of the family Cyprinidae, a very large group of fish native to Europe and Asia. The cypriniformes (family Cyprinidae) are traditionally grouped with the Characiformes, Siluriformes and Gymnotiformes to create the superorder Ostariophysi, since these groups have certain common features, such as being found predominantly in fresh water and that they possess Weberian ossicles (an anatomical structure originally made up of small pieces of bone formed from four or five of the first vertebrae); the most anterior bony pair is in contact with the...

Martin Sojka

Hmm. Looks like one to me, but then I just blame it on this crappy monitor. ;)

Ben Brocka

@Arperum But he's looking wistfully into the distance! You gotta love that

OrigamiRobot

@skovacs1 Huh, I didn't know koi were carp as well.

GnomeSlice

Arperum

14:45

@BenBrocka But his mouth/nose part thing is al wrong.

fbueckert

@Sterno At the same time, defending a general practice that in some cases might be acceptable does nothing but validate the asker's laziness.

Ben Brocka

@Arperum The nose is pretty standard cartoon-horsey

does look a bit family-guy-esque though

Arperum

@BenBrocka I still find it wrong.

fbueckert

Which is the only part I'm responding to. The question, as it stood, was utterly lazy. The fact that sometimes, questions don't need the context does not apply in this case.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert I disagree.

Sterno

14:47

@fbueckert I don't think the question was worth a downvote. NOTE: I do think that you and others have the right to think that, and cast downvotes as such. But I didn't.

GnomeSlice

But I already know what you think about my opinion.

Sterno

So I didn't defend the general case. I defended that case.

The context seemed unnecessary in the primary use case... someone else wants to know how to get it and googles it

fbueckert

@Sterno So you defended a two sentence question that showed no effort at all. Gotcha.

Sterno

People looking for an answer to that question already have the context.

5pike

Oh man - Support ticket with a word file attached which only contains a screenshot.

Grace Note

14:48

@OrigamiRobot ...koi are named after the Japanese word for "carp".

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I don't speak Japanese.

Sterno

@fbueckert Yeah. Because a lot of times, context is useless fluff. At it's worst, it actively makes the question harder to understand.

Take, for instance

Arperum

@5pike Awesome! Now fix it! Whatever it is.

Sterno

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Q: How is score calculated?

Okay, so I've managed to beat the game on Normal. It seems like the thing to do now is work on getting a higher score. However, scoring is a complete mystery to me. What sort of things should I do (or not do) to improve my score? Hard numbers, if possible, would be a huge benefit.

ftl-faster-than-light

Grace Note

I don't either, it's just I figured if people knew the word koi at all it kinda lent itself to it.

Sterno

14:50

I'm not sure that question needs anything more than a title, honestly.

5pike

@Arperum No, I refuse to. Someone else should take this ticket.

Sterno

(and a tag)

Wipqozn

I agree with @Sterno that in this specific case no more context was required, however I also agree with the downvotes since he didn't do any research before asking. He didn't even check the store. As @FEichinger said, he could have just waited until he got home. IF he did a quick search he probably would have found the online store too, just like I did.

With that said, I personally didn't downvote his question, but I think the downvotes it got were deserved.

fbueckert

I just think that there was lots of room for improvement in that question, and the subsequent edits only proved my point. A little bit more effort on the askers part wouldn't have killed him.

Grace Note

Kinda like how I would assume anyone who knows about the usage of "baguette" in English to refer to what we call French Bread is derived from the French word for Bread.

OrigamiRobot

14:50

I agree with @TimStone

Tim Stone

I'm not sure what's going on, so I'll just nod sagely.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn The context he did add only showed how little effort he originally put into it in the first place.

SaintWacko

@Arperum Battle Towers are annoying

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I don't really look into why animals or foods are named what they are.

SaintWacko

My friend and I fought our way up one, went to open a chest still in the tower, and a golem exploded through the ceiling. We finally defeated it, and the tower starts exploding around us. Killed us both, and the explosions destroyed all of our loot and gear

It was stupid

Private Pansy

14:52

@TimStone @OrigamiRobot In that case I also agree with him

fbueckert

That context is critical for proper judging of question merits.

Arperum

@SaintWacko Yup, one every couple thousand blocks or so is more then enough.

Lazers

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Q: Help with Animal Crossing save transfer

I am currently borrowing New Leaf from my step sister and I have now bought a copy of AC New leaf for myself.. I am NOT the mayor on her game card, when I transfer my save data from her town to my new town, would i automatically become mayor? Or will I need to start a whole new game in order to b...

animal-crossing-new-leaf

Grace Note

I don't think it's wrong to ask for more context. I do think it's wrong to do so in what appears to be throwing up one's arms in exasperation. Even if you are in fact exasperated, drilling that into people doesn't really make for a peaceful atmosphere.

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Wipqozn

@fbueckert Providing some information on prior research is always a good thing, same with context. However as @Sterno said anyone looking at that question is already going to know what the fishcake is.

Arperum

14:53

The explosions were not in the original mod, and that stupid golem didn't activate until you stepped out onto the roof back then.

Wipqozn

well, not anyone, but anyone qualified to answer the question.

OrigamiRobot

You don't need to be able to vote on every question on the site.

fbueckert

@GraceNote "See title" in the body is one of my pet peeves. Yeah, I shouldn't have taken it out on the user.

Grace Note

@fbueckert I'm very well aware of this.

Jason Berkan

@fbueckert Then edit it out.

Arperum

14:55

The original creator had only three kinds of towers too, and not 1 billion different kinds like now. And way less then now too. I really think there are WAY too much towers by default

fbueckert

@JasonBerkan I'm also very much in the "Teach a man to fish" camp.

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert Lead by example.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn I disagree. I think context is important.

@OrigamiRobot I am. That's why I'm commenting.

FEichinger

@Wipqozn You assume people only look at a question because they have some involvement - a) knowing the answer or b) having the same question. That's wrong.

Jason Berkan

@fbueckert Question askers are informed when their question is edited by someone else.

Grace Note

14:56

You weren't overly hostile but at the same time, it doesn't take someone going "YARR I'M GONNA EAT YOUR BONES AND THEN KICK YOU OFF A CLIFF FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS" to turn a situation sour, and quite frankly a non-peaceful atmosphere benefits no one.

FEichinger

I look at pretty much every question for a game I own, and I would very much have been able to answer that particular question - had I known some more context directly from the question, for instance.

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert Don't give an example, be the example.

fbueckert

@JasonBerkan @OrigamiRobot That doesn't teach them how to do it themselves.

Wipqozn

@FEichinger I was able to answer it without any information. I just googled.

and I never said context was abad thing, just that it wasn't required in this case.

The question was fine without it.

fbueckert

I am very firmly in teaching them what needs to be done, not doing it for them.

OrigamiRobot

14:57

@fbueckert It absolutely can.

Sterno

@fbueckert Honest question: How's that been working out here?

fbueckert

@Sterno Depends on the user, as always.

Wipqozn

@fbueckert Sure, and if he makes the same mistake again then don't edit it.

Jason Berkan

@fbueckert To be blunt, sometimes you harangue, you do not teach.

FEichinger

@Sterno He made an effort to fix it. It didn't work, but it got him to make the effort. That's a lot more than you'll get out of someone if you just fix their question for them.

fbueckert

14:58

@Wipqozn If I edit, I still have to comment to educate the user on why I did what I did.

Wipqozn

If I see a user consistently making the same problem, despite being told otherwise, I'm not going to bother repeating myself. I'll just downvote and move on.

Sterno

I mean, if I see a post with terrible spelling, I don't leave a comment that says "learn to spell, please. Or use a spellchecker." I just fix the damn thing.

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OrigamiRobot

Or you could edit it yourself and then leave a nice comment to explain why you made the edits instead of telling the user what they need to do.

fbueckert

If I just explain what needs fixing, I still have to comment.

Either way, I have to comment, and I'd rather reinforce it by making them do it on their own.

Wipqozn

Also, for the record I don't think there's anything wrong with just telling them how to fix it. I'll do that at times.

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