The Bridge

badp

18:00

yeah, nothing actually begun

Powerlord

Of course not... Valve Time!

badp

oh well, then we go back to the basics

OrigamiRobot

@LessPop_MoreFizz @Fluttershy Should I name my cat Khoshekh?

Powerlord

Apparently Game Grumps lost 9,000 subscribers since JonTron left.

Given that Grumps has over a million subscribers on Youtube, that's not a huge drop.

FEichinger

@Powerlord net loss or just unsubscribed?

Powerlord

18:03

@FEichinger Net loss, I think

vidstatsx.com/top-100-24h-sub-losses

Shotgun Ninja

@StrixVaria wait a minute. Really? Steampowered.com is blocked, but store.steampowered.com isn't? I love you, Barracuda Web Filter. And by love I mean hate.

FEichinger

@Powerlord That'd actually be rather hefty, then.

Powerlord

@FEichinger It's only 1% loss.

Well... 0.9%

Shotgun Ninja

@Powerlord Wait, Jon left GameGrumps?

Was it to get back to his own stuff or something?

Powerlord

►

FEichinger

18:05

@Powerlord It's their usual average times -11, if I read that table correctly.

Fluttershy

Guys, it's still not noon PDT. <_<

Powerlord

@Fluttershy What does noon PDT have to do with anything?

Shotgun Ninja

@Fluttershy It's 5:00 somewhere.

Fluttershy

Someone said the Steam thing went live at noon PDT, didn't they?

Powerlord

@Fluttershy Someone said 11am

FEichinger

18:06

@Fluttershy 11am PDT. Not noon.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Their 24 hour clock ticks over at noon CDT.

Since their daily deal switched, we're into a new day for them.

Fluttershy

Oh. I thought they said 11:59 PDT.

Nevermind then! Back to work for six more hours.

Powerlord

@fbueckert The daily deal switches at 10am PDT.

fbueckert

@Powerlord 10am PDT = 12pm CDT.

badp

"We're going to move Trading Cards out of beta next Wednesday June 26th at 11am PDT."

They didn't mention any minute

Jin

18:09

@BenBrocka i can confirm that

Powerlord

L4D2 is now SteamPipe

fbueckert

@Jin What use do you have for so many bees?

Jin

@fbueckert I could tell you, but then I'd have to sting you, to death.

Shotgun Ninja

@Powerlord You're funny.

Powerlord

@ShotgunNinja That wasn't a joke.

Hello!

We have converted Left 4 Dead 2 to be delivered through SteamPipe.

Next Monday (July 1) servers downloaded with the HLDSUpdateTool will no longer be compatible. Only the server obtained using SteamCMD will work. The server is currently available for download; we encourage all server operators to download and install the server now if you haven't already. The server is interoperable with the current public Left 4 Dead 2 client.

The AppID for the SteamPipe version of the server is 222860.

Shotgun Ninja

18:13

Oh, it's been converted to work through SteamPipe. It would help if I said I had no idea what SteamPipe was.

Ben Brocka

@Jin Did you ever get the BL2 season pass?

Powerlord

@ShotgunNinja If we hadn't discussed TF2 being switched to SteamPipe a few months ago, you might have an excuse for not understanding. :P

Jin

@BenBrocka negative. but i've been thinking about playing BL2 again. is the latest DLC the pyscho class one?

fbueckert

@Jin Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep

Which sounds all sorts of fun, and I will get when it goes on sale on Steam.

Jin

i'm playing Path of Exiles now. it's growing on me.

i hated it the first time i played it last year because it was really ugly, compared to Diablo3. but i love the skill trees

fbueckert

18:15

@Jin aka. Sphere grid.

Ben Brocka

@Jin Tiny Tinaaaaaaaaaaaa

Jin

yep. i'm a big ffx fan!

Ben Brocka

fbueckert

@Jin Such a good game.

Especially with Blitzball.

Powerlord

@fbueckert Ugh, I hated Blitzball.

Jin

18:16

i should redesign SE sites' gamification system! it shall involve a sphere grid skill tree!

fbueckert

@Jin Woo!

Powerlord

Anyway, SE recently said that FFX HD was done, but FFX-2 HD isn't yet.

fbueckert

I take full credit.

badp

@BenBrocka SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS

fbueckert

@Powerlord They said it was "almost done". 80%? I think?

Jin

18:17

all the privileges will be unlocked in certain nodes, all depends on how you spend your xp!(i mean rep)

StrixVaria

:10077870 @Jin This broke everything. Fix plz.

badp

@Jin speaking of redesigns

Ben Brocka

Stupid font won't zalgo

badp

yesterday, by badp

Shotgun Ninja

@Powerlord Well, if I had paid any attention to news regarding TF2 around the time of all of the "War-themed Fashion Simulator" hype, then maybe so.

Ben Brocka

18:19

Sports

Tweeted by TheXbone on May 29, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Jin

@badp DON'T YOU DARE TO MAKE FUN OF MO!

I actually "designed" their new theme, but copying all their css styles to our LESS

badp

sounds like fun.

Jin

that's exactly how Stackoverflow looked 3 years ago.

Fluttershy

Now I wanna play Blitzball... sigh

Krazer

@Jin do we get respec points as we post/answer questions? Or do we need to rely on a it currency system?

Jin

18:21

@Krazer no respec, you roll alts.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Wait for the HD remake!

badp

@Jin I don't remember the two-sides-only drop-shadow tags

Jin

it's a site for serious gamers

@badp yeah their tags are different.

Fluttershy

@fbueckert Does me no good without a PS3.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Boo

Aren't they getting super cheap now?

FEichinger

18:22

MathOverflow tags are weird.

Fluttershy

They haven't dropped at all. <_<

Jin

i should mockup a sphere grid skill tree just for fun this weekend... because i have no social life

Fluttershy

That said, if any of you has a slightly used, fully functional PS3 and/or gills that you're looking to get rid of, perhaps we can strike a deal?

FEichinger

@Jin Why, you're sharing it with us, aren't you? That's "social".

Jin

@FEichinger FWIW, you're more than pixels to me

fbueckert

18:23

@Fluttershy I just got you Planescape!

Powerlord

Steam Trading cards are released now

FEichinger

@Jin D'awwwww~

badp

@Powerlord What are the new games?

Jin

btw, since you guys use our chat the most actively than any other sites, what do you like and dislike about this chat system?

badp

Binding of Isaac
Company of Heroes 2
GRID 2
Warframe
Crusader Kings II
Penny Arcade's On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 4
Psychonauts

Fluttershy

18:25

@fbueckert I know. And I spent the next two hours installing all of the mods. =P

FEichinger

@badp Psychonauts <3

fbueckert

@Fluttershy So play that!

badp

@Jin On what kind of level?

FEichinger

@Jin It really needs moderation and flag history.

Ben Brocka

@Fluttershy I'd offer you my old one but if I fix it I'll keep it for PS2 games I guess

Fluttershy

18:25

@fbueckert I intend to.

FEichinger

But that's it, really.

Jin

@badp anything.

Powerlord

@Jin It would take a long time to type out a list.

Fluttershy

@BenBrocka I could offer you a fully functional PS2!

badp

@Jin The part that gets disliked the most is (duuun dun duuuuun) mobile chat

Tim Stone

18:26

@Jin Dislike: Mobile chat :P

Jin

@Powerlord you can send it to [email protected]

FEichinger

Oh, yeh, also mobile chat. But I never use that anyway. :P

Jin

yeah the mobile version could be nicer.

Fluttershy

Mobile chat is the worst!

badp

The ability to review flagging behaviour of people also wouldn't suck, but mobile chat is the low hanging fruit

Jin

18:26

i mostly use mobile chat to read, not type.

Shotgun Ninja

So, I've heard mobile chat sucks.

badp

FIX: text box removed from mobile chat

Shotgun Ninja

;D

Sconibulus

@badp If I got my copy of one of these games from somewhere else, can I get Steam drops if I attach it?

Fluttershy

I can't reply, I can't flag, I can't abuse room ownership powers when I have them for two minutes. Mobile chat is just awful.

badp

18:27

@Sconibulus as in?

@Fluttershy are you on mobile chat right now?

FEichinger

Okay, I just squee'd over the Psychonauts trading cards. They're adorable!

Sconibulus

@badp got Psychonauts in a Humble Bundle ages ago

badp

@Sconibulus then just use your steam keys and you're good to go

Fluttershy

@badp I am.

badp

@Fluttershy Okay then I----- wait a second you just told me that to give you room ownership for two minutes

Reverse psychology almost worked, but it must ultimately fail against reverse, reverse psychology

Fluttershy

18:29

@badp No. It was earlier. I was gonna move stuff to Android Hell, but I couldn't do it from Mobile, so Strix promptly removed my ownership. =(

badp

@Fluttershy I shall right this wrong!

Tim Stone

@Jin The overall feel of the normal UI comes across as a bit "scattered" too, for lack of better terms. The pieces are all there, but they aren't presented in a very consistent sort of way.

Stack Exchange

badp has added Wipqozn to the list of this room's owners.

Grumpy Lazers

0

Q: How do I evolve Kadabra to its final form without trading it?

I play Pokemon Emerald on the computer using VBA, so I can't evolve my Kadabra by trading it. Is there any other way I can turn my Kadabra into Alakazam?

badp

there.

fbueckert

18:31

"This gun fires...exploding swords! I did not know the meaning of happiness until this moment!"

6

FEichinger

@StackExchange lol

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert Is this a Borderlands update?

Fluttershy

@badp I am the saddest person.

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot The latest, yes.

Jin

@TimStone you're talking about the sidebar section?

Tim Stone

18:33

@Jin Yeah, for the most part.

badp

@Jin the second lowest hanging fruit is being able to paste images in chat

like in the new file uploader thing that's on the site

Tim Stone

There's also those buttons you have to scroll to the top for, which makes sense given what they do, but it's not immediately apparent they're there for people who haven't used the system before.

Sterno

Room info takes up too much space,obscuring the all important stars list

badp

@TimStone Does anybody actually ever use highlights mode?

Tim Stone

I'm not even entirely sure what it does because I forget it's there

badp

18:35

room topic changed to The Bridge: General Chat Room for Arqade.com. The main quarters of Arqade's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, now with a restored amount of small city-states and increased grumpiness from our older contributors. [arq] [-fun] [-games] [jin-fanclub] [lazers] [mod-abuse] [unpulchritudinousity]*

Jin

@TimStone good point. so they should stay in a fixed div/header and visible all time.

FEichinger

@badp I don't think so, no.

badp

@Jin I'm not sure that'a good idea, it doesn't make sense to "load older messages" if you aren't at the top of the page

(if you aren't at the top of the page, chat will unload those extra messages anyway)

same with "load to my last message"

Tim Stone

Also, I still don't get why "all rooms" and "site rooms" look like buttons.

badp

@Jin full transcript's under "room" anyway

the one extra button is "highlights" which I suppose gets very little use

Tim Stone

18:36

Hmm, I think I have a few mock-ups of changes to the full-site UI somewhere too...

Jin

it seems the only 2 actions that make sense when you scroll to top is, load older messages and load to my last message

fbueckert

@Jin Even that is sorta buggy.

Jin

i wonder if a 3 panel layout is better..

imagine if there's a "left side bar"

so the right sidebar would only contain info that's about the room itself, the left one would contain info about you (your other fav rooms, @replies to you, etc)

FEichinger

@Jin No. Chat area would end up way too small, with too much cramped around it.

Jin

@FEichinger the width of the sidebars would be narrower

badp

18:39

Maybe the list of people in chat isn't the most useful thing on screen

Jin

also, the left bar can be collapsable too.

badp

although it adds a bit of color

the page would be just a wall of text without that

FEichinger

@badp Reduce it to like six people or so.

Sconibulus

maybe only people whose gravatars are still unfaded

FEichinger

@Jin Thing is, I can't picture the right sidebar any narrower than what it currently is. It already feels rather cramped in 4:3 displays.

Sconibulus

18:41

which seems to be talked in the last 15 minutes?

StrixVaria

What does highlights mode do?

I just saw that button.

badp

I think it shows context around your mentions

Dan Rasmussen

@jin not sure if this has been mentioned before but I just noticed - my "disable desktop notification" link is half hidden beneath the footer.

StrixVaria

Looks like it gives context around stars, mentions, and where you chatted.

user20683

@kalina

user20683

18:44

buzzfeed.com/emofly/37-hacks-to-make-dish-washing-easier

badp

@WorldEngineer for a moment I read "dish washing" as "death wishing"

user20683

@badp based on her reaction to her dish washer breaking, it's basically the same thing.

Stack Exchange

badp has not done anything peculiar right now. Why are you asking?

Powerlord

@StackExchange NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... wait, Wipqozn was earlier, nm

OrigamiRobot

NOW DO ME!

8

Powerlord

18:46

@OrigamiRobot Ew, sicko!

badp

@OrigamiRobot Do what?

OrigamiRobot

@badp Me!

badp

Here's a first draft of you

busting some sweet moves

OrigamiRobot

No! Do me like you did @Fluttershy!

2

Fluttershy

... what?

Shotgun Ninja

18:53

@StackExchange o.o

Fluttershy

Did I just miss something?

Ben Brocka

Do me like one of your french girls

badp

@Fluttershy I have no idea what this robot is talking about

murgatroid99

@Fluttershy chat.stackexchange.com/messages/10078632/history

badp

@murgatroid99 don't make me hit the "purge history" button next time :(

you ruiner of fun

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SURPRISE.

Stack Exchange

18:54

badp has removed Fluttershy from the list of this room's owners.

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Did... did I miss something I really didn't want to miss?

badp

PARTY CANCELLED. :(

Fluttershy

=(

OrigamiRobot

@FAE Shush you!

@badp It was still a surprise.

Mad Scientist

@Jin That it barely works at all on my tablet (Nexus 10 with Google Chrome).

badp

18:55

@MadScientist It works much better on Firefox Beta

Jin

@MadScientist on your tablet, are you not seeing the mobile view?

Ronan Forman

@Jin Mobile view is the worst.

Tim Stone

@Jin That's intentional because the mobile view is terrible

Mad Scientist

@Jin Mobile view is a very bad fit for a tablet-sized screen. The Desktop version is buggy, and the sidebar does not adapt well to the aspect ratio and gets cut off just around the first visible "other room" in most cases, all other room links in the sidebar and the stars are not visible

FAE

@Jin TL;DR I never use mobile chat because it sucks.

M'vy

18:58

@FAE I must admit it's not very practical

OrigamiRobot

Mobile chat sucks.

FAE

If you just want to read and not participate, sure, it's passable, but you still can't even star things you find interesting.

OrigamiRobot

@Jin I wish things like twitter and amazon links would display the actual message/product name when starred.

badp

that said on Firefox Beta there's a couple more smaller bugs

OrigamiRobot

Instead of just the URL

FAE

18:59

If you actually want to talk, lacking the ability to Reply is rather abysmal.

Mad Scientist

Jin

ITT, mobile view sucks.

Fluttershy

@FAE You can star if you're not the first star, and you're actually in the chat room.

badp

Jin

i definitely think mobile view could be better. but i don't see it ever to have the full functionality as the desktop one

FAE

19:01

@Fluttershy Yeah but only being able to star things if you're not initiating it is still a frustrating limitation.

M'vy

@badp not standard mobile view. And try to CTRL + UP there ^^

Jin

that's why our v1 of the mobile view simply support read and write. that's about it

Tim Stone

@Jin Lies! I have prototypes.

Mad Scientist

@badp The random text size changes are a browser feature?

badp

of course if you try to zoom in...

Fluttershy

19:01

@FAE I agree. As is the inability to reply, or view revision history. <_<

Or even see what anyone else is replying to.

badp

M'vy

@Jin application?

OrigamiRobot

Mobile chat doesn't update for me unless I manually refresh the page.

badp

@M'vy I'm saying that full site mode works slightly better in Firefox beta

Mad Scientist

I'd like to see deleted posts in the transcript, but that is pretty much only useful for mods. And an easy toggle to show all deleted posts directly on screen, without having to go into the history of every single deleted message

Ronan Forman

19:03

17

Q: Add functionality to mobile chat

I love chatting, but sometimes I have to move around, which means I must face the mobile interface for chat. The experience is extremely frustrating. I have mocked up a relatively simple change to the mobile chat interface that alleviates a lot of these problems. Here is the mobile chat interfa...

feature-request chat design mobile

badp

3 mins ago, by badp

that said on Firefox Beta there's a couple more smaller bugs

M'vy

@badp oh! my bad.

Fluttershy

Also, Mobile chat crashes Chrome on iOS.

badp

@MadScientist why are you using the 7" interface on a Nexus 10?

Mad Scientist

@badp Huh, I didn't change anything there

badp

19:04

@Fluttershy blame Safari

@MadScientist I'm using the 10" interface on a Nexus 7

That's what it should look like to you

Powerlord

lol, I just noticed that I have two new emoticons for participating in the trading card beta

badp

with everything on the bottom bar

Powerlord

:tradingcard: and :tradingcardfoil:

user20683

@MadScientist Endless Space Disharmony out today

badp

@Powerlord oh, me too.

It can be sold, too. Guess what I might want to do :P

Powerlord

19:05

@badp Really? The second was supposed to be for crafting a game badge during it.

Jin

how do i trigger the easter egg in this chat?

insert coin

insert-coin

errr i forgot

badp

@Powerlord I crafted the TF2 badge.

@Jin this should've done it

Jin

wait.. that click me button just flew off the screen, i can't click on it

insert coin

badp

@Powerlord we also got a badge and 100 XP for it.

user20683

insert coin

Fluttershy

19:09

@badp I don't use Safari on here. <_<

badp

@Fluttershy Chrome has to use Safari on the backend on iOS

App Store limitation, no program can bring its own javascript or html rendering engine

so Firefox or Chrome or anything else on iOS are using a slower buggier version of Safari/webkit - by design

Powerlord

Isn't iOS wonderful?!

FEichinger

@badp But ... both use webkit, don't they?

badp

@FEichinger What Safari actually uses is better than what the iOS apps are stuck with AFAIK

also, did you miss about Chrome's fork of the project?

plus I don't think Safari uses V8.

FEichinger

I have no idea. I mainly use gecko and just use a random webkit browser I have at hand whenever I want to check compatibility.

Currently that'd be Chromium, for that matter.

user20683

19:15

user20683

This picture amuses the hell out of me

Ben Brocka

Chromium's blink now

Fluttershy

@badp ... oh. Stupid iOS.

StrixVaria

@WorldEngineer She can read?

user20683

@StrixVaria 48 Laws of Power doesn't have any pictures that I can remember from glancing through it.

Ben Brocka

19:16

She DOES look like an oompaloopa

user20683

Well she of sicilian descent and has had at least one kid I think.

Shotgun Ninja

@StrixVaria Oh shit, look out

badp

...who is she?

StrixVaria

@badp Snooki.

badp

who?

FAE

19:20

@badp I didn't know either

badp

I'm not trying to pull an Origami here

StrixVaria

@badp I am so jealous of you.

Shotgun Ninja

Snooki is not someone you want to know of.

Arda Xi

This new laptop is awesome ♥

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria Isn't she from somewhere near you? <_<

badp

19:21

@ArdaXi grats

Shotgun Ninja

Snooki

Nicole Elizabeth "Snooki" Polizzi (born November 23, 1987) Personal life Polizzi was born in Santiago, Chile. Her father is a volunteer firefighter and auto-salvage supervisor and her mother is an office manager. Polizzi received her nickname, Snooki, in middle school when her friends named her after "Snookie", a male character in Save the Last Dance, because she was the first of her friends to kiss a boy. She grew up and attended school in Marlboro, New York, where she was a cheerleader. Polizzi attended community college after graduating from Marlboro High School, where she studie...

badp

Hope the honeymoon lasts

StrixVaria

@Fluttershy I think they're actually mostly from New York.

Wipqozn

@StackExchange This is why you're my favourite person <3 (cc @badp)

Arda Xi

@badp I actually found out it had an SSD after I'd bought it.

Shotgun Ninja

19:22

@StrixVaria New Jersey, actually, if I'm not mistaken.

Fluttershy

@StrixVaria Oh. Well that's good, I think.

Arda Xi

@Wipqozn I feel left out.

StrixVaria

@ShotgunNinja The show was filmed in New Jersey, but most of the cast was from New York.

badp

@Wipqozn must... keep... sadism... on... check...

murgatroid99

@ShotgunNinja I'm pretty sure they go to New Jersey

Fluttershy

19:22

In other news, we're staying open for four and a half more hours for no reason at all.

badp

@Fluttershy what if more customers arrive?

Shotgun Ninja

@StrixVaria Fucking christ, really? I feel terrible now.

Fluttershy

@badp They won't.

Shotgun Ninja

My birth certificate says New York on it.

badp

@Fluttershy WHAT IF THEY DOOO

Wipqozn

19:23

@Fluttershy You work at grain mill or something,r ight?

Fluttershy

@badp They won't. <_<

badp

what if people find a colony of starved chicken!

Fluttershy

@Wipqozn At a grain storage and shipping facility. Not a mill.

Coronus

@Fluttershy If they do, they won't? Oh dear. I'm confused.

badp

If you close down the chicken will die

Shotgun Ninja

19:24

@badp nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Fluttershy

Basically, we don't really have any more customers until... August. Late August. But we're staying open until 7 because that's how we started the week.

badp

@Fluttershy then you can do this to the customers that might arrive:

►

Coronus

@Fluttershy And then next week, the same, because... last week.

Powerlord

@Fluttershy So, um... where do you work?

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy Just be happy with more money.

MORE MONEYZ

MONEYMONEYMONEY DOSH

finds video

FAE

19:29

5 mins ago, by Fluttershy

@Wipqozn At a grain storage and shipping facility. Not a mill.

Wipqozn

►

Powerlord

Free money! Free money!

I actually showed someone how to replace one of the Medic's voicemenu lines with that in TF2. :D

Fluttershy

Oh, I'm fine with the money I'll make. I just wish I'd brought a book or something. I've asked @FAE to text me, word-for-word, the contents of the newest Neil Gaiman novel. We'll see how that goes.

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka I think Ian may play with us tonight.

Powerlord

@Wipqozn You know, I wondered what the thing in Killing Floor was based on

Ben Brocka

19:38

@OrigamiRobot cool

Hey @TimStone you have the Season Pass in BL2 too right?

Tim Stone

Yeah

Ben Brocka

Want to join us?

Tim Stone

If I can convince myself to get more work done before the end of the day, sure. :P

Wipqozn

@Powerlord AND NOW YOU KNOW

fbueckert

Such a gorgeous day outside.

Fluttershy

19:42

@BenBrocka Is there a recommended level to start it?

Wipqozn

This is a really nice solo piano piece

2

With thanks to GnomieBear who shared it with me this morning.

Ben Brocka

@Fluttershy IF you're going with us, 50 would be a good minimum. OTherwise it scales to your level

@Wipqozn Oh god what

user15026

@fluttershy texting a book? It's like modern-day reading aloud! :D

user15026

For the record, Google maps not showing transit data for my city's buses is pretty much the worst thing ever that could be, especially because most stops don't even list when buses arrive there, so I am travelling blind til I get to one of the major transit terminals.

Shotgun Ninja

@AshleyNunn Ugh, gross.

user20683

19:52

@AshleyNunn Does your city transit system have a website?

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Wow. That's bad.

Google maps even does our transit system pretty well, and it sucks.

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