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fbueckert

16:11

Yay, got a link-only answer deleted.

agent86

@fbueckert hey, you pushed a button, but I pushed a more destructive button. I think i win.

fbueckert

@agent86 Only because I don't have that button.

agent86

@fbueckert with great power comes great responsibility. and great stealing of credit.

badp

Victory goes to @agent86 at the mod abuse point tally

Ben Brocka

@fbueckert Mods get the BEST buttons

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badp

16:17

well "kick this user" doesn't sound particularly threatening

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Happily, the vast majority of those options don't really affect me at all.

Ben Brocka

Stack Exchange spends nearly $2,000,000 on bees annually

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badp

@fbueckert well he maxxed out his bee moderator build. Luckily, I'm spending my mod abuse points on INT attacks

fbueckert

@badp So you're behind the vast majority of 1-rep users posting drivel and inanity!

StrixVaria

Mods can kick users? Why don't room owners get that?

badp

16:21

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oh boy do I love "art"

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria It's pretty pointless. They can come right back in

badp

@BenBrocka well it's the same on IRC really; in fact, most IRC clients have autorejoin

but at least on IRC you can give a kick reason

Ben Brocka

@badp You actually use photoshop? I thought you used a copy of Win 95 mspaint.exe

badp

@BenBrocka it is actually mspaint

win8 mspaint, but mspaint still

I still don't have enough mod abuse points to upgrade to win95 mspaint

I'm saving up to replace "puns" with something else at the moment, I almost never use it.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot This is not a sloth.

Powerlord

16:35

Sounds like Win 8.1 will ship with IE11.

Grumpy Lazers

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Q: Fastest way to Create Woven Silk?

I'm playing with the Minecraft FTB Ultimate pack, and I want to create a woven backpack, but I need woven silk. At first I was hoping to find a lot of jungle hives and get the Silky Combs, but after a couple hours, I found 5 combs. I've create a few apiary's but this just feels like it's taking...

fbueckert

Ooh! Kairosoft released it's Harvest Moon-esque game for JP Android! @AshleyNunn

badp

@Powerlord all I care about is that you can turn the start button off.

if lusers™ can't live without their start button it's their problem, dammit.

FEichinger

@badp Oh, I can live without it. I just don't use Win8, thank you very much. :P

badp

@FEichinger So you can't live without the shitty blur-transparent effects? :P

StrixVaria

16:44

Why is this game $90?

badp

@StrixVaria You're so way behind the curve. Because it kickstarter-ed for $90.

Price drops are public and announced.

FEichinger

@StrixVaria You're late to the party.

badp

It'll launch for $60.

fbueckert

@StrixVaria It's Early Access price!

StrixVaria

@fbueckert That sounds like the opposite of how it should work.

fbueckert

16:45

aka. Company is greedy and clueless and will never get my money.

badp

Also if the thought of a game costing $90 horrifies you, it's what Europeans play for their games

FEichinger

@StrixVaria It is, but Kickstarter backers would "feel ripped off" otherwise.

badp

@StrixVaria Why does it? You can pay extra for access now, or you can wait and pay less. Most F2P betas are "priced" this way

FEichinger

To which I say: So what? They chose to fund the game, not pre-order it. Deal with it.

fbueckert

@FEichinger I sorta get where they're coming from, but I really don't agree with it at all.

It should never have been Greenlit at that pricepoint.

badp

16:46

@FEichinger I guess that early access users will also get to fund the game

FEichinger

@fbueckert Same here, I get it, but it's just a result of what people consider Kickstarter to be.

badp

You do not get to complain about $90 games without complaining as hard about €60 games. Deal with it

FEichinger

@badp I complain about 60€ games just as much, how often do we need to go through this?

badp

@FEichinger you're not late to the party, I'm just repeating for @StrixVaria's benefit.

FEichinger

@badp Then it shouldn't be placed on a retailer. Simple as that.

badp

16:48

I don't complain about €60 games, I just haven't bought any in the last few years

Gaming Topics From Outside

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Q: Cant install Steam games for Windows 7 under Ubuntu 12.04

I have had Windows 7 first but now swapped to Linux. I downloaded and installed the Steam Client. No problem. I can login too but I cant download the games I bought before. They are in my Library but I cant install them. There is no button. Hope someone can help me. BTW: I am not a native speake...

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Sconibulus

I don't complain about €60 games, because I didn't know that was a thing

it sounds really dumb though

FEichinger

@Sconibulus Basically every AAA game ever that hits brick and mortar in Europe is priced 60€.

badp

@FEichinger Does it matter where it's placed? You're giving money to a game that may never see an actual release anyway. Either Steam or Kickstarter, the risks are the same, the money is the same, both services take a cut

@FEichinger those games sell for €60 on Steam too.

fbueckert

@FEichinger Because they can't be bothered to actually figure out an equivalent price point.

FEichinger

16:50

@badp Yep, that's the even-more-ridiculous part.

fbueckert

And they can. Mostly it's, "Yay, more profit!"

badp

@fbueckert It's more like, "people will buy games for €60 so that's what we'll price games at"

FEichinger

@badp It does matter. Steam is a retailer - they are selling their product there. Kickstarter is a funding platform - which, quelle surprise, is for funding.

fbueckert

@badp So the problem isn't so much with retailers as it is with consumers.

badp

@fbueckert I'm voting with my wallet regardless.

fbueckert

16:51

@badp Which is the way to go about it.

Ben Brocka

@fbueckert Doesn't it include VAT and crap?

fbueckert

@BenBrocka I haven't the foggiest.

I pay ~$70, after taxes, for games priced at $59.99.

badp

@BenBrocka VAT varies across Europe, but the price point of games doesn't

it's uniformly €60 after VAT, and where VAT is lower the company just keeps more money for itself

(except for Britain which uses a different currency)

Powerlord

@badp So complain to the companies about it?

badp

@Powerlord where have I complained about VAT?

Powerlord

16:54

1 min ago, by badp

it's uniformly €60 after VAT, and where VAT is lower the company just keeps more money for itself

badp

That's not a complaint about VAT

That's saying that VAT is not relevant to the price point

The price point is €60, regardless of how much of that price point is taxes

Powerlord

You're right, and your response about complaining about VAT had nothing to do with my comment either

badp

wat.

I'm not complaining with companies about €60, I'm complaining with gamers about $90

Ben Brocka

@badp Ehhh, pricing shit a couple dollars cheaper in random areas is an iffy idea. Simple price points are easier for consumers to understand. In the US they do the opposite (price point is $60, sales tax varies) because it keeps the price point simple

Powerlord

You're complaining that companies are charging a uniform price despite that they should be different prices across the EU.

Ben Brocka

16:57

Not sure how much of a ripoff the 60 euros thing is, but changing the price by less than 5 euros between countries is probably never going to happen

badp

@BenBrocka we see the thing backwards. When you say the price of a meal is $10, you really mean it's $15 because there's taxes and tips

Those are hidden charges that are basically unlawful here

here we price meals €10 and €10 is what you pay precisely, no head calculations, no hidden crap

Powerlord

@badp ...and that's why we can charge different prices based on region. We don't have laws interfering with it.

badp

@Powerlord Again you're responding to a different point than the one I'm making.

Powerlord

@badp No, I'm arguing the corollary point you are ignoring.

badp

@Powerlord Then it'd help if you spelled it out.

Powerlord

17:00

@badp I... just did?

badp

I'm complaining that the same group of people think $90 is outrageous while €60 is okay

I don't see how it follows anything about companies

Maybe you're reading something different than what I'm writing.

Powerlord

We think $90 is outrageous probably because 1. The price is known to be coming down. 2. That price doesn't include taxes.

kalina

I was having a terrible day, and then I ate three bags of sour skittles and now I'm tasting the rainbow

Powerlord

Also, no sign of the Steam Summer Sale yet

badp

Oh, so now in the American mindset it's fair to include taxes you're not going to pay anyway in the price point :P

Ben Brocka

17:01

@badp That's the thing though, in the US it's easy to charge $50 for a product and since tax is added afterwards you don't have to screw with the sale price. And sales tax is pretty minor to remember. 6% here I think

"tips" that aren't "tips" are more malicious, but eh, that's a restaraunt thing not a retail thing

badp

@BenBrocka that's because your idea of "price point" is "before VAT" and my idea of "price point" is "after VAT"

your idea of price point is "the seller's revenue", my idea of price point is "the buyer's cost"

kalina

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Powerlord

@badp No, my "mindset" is that you're arguing €60 after tax and $90 without tax are the same thing.

FEichinger

@Powerlord Let's be perfectly hones there: Is anyone actually gonna pay those taxes on the $90?

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Ours is going up to 13%, combined come July 1st.

Powerlord

17:04

@FEichinger I don't know about you, I'm required by law to do so as part of my tax filing.

badp

@fbueckert 21%, 22% shortly if no miracle happens

Tim Stone

Sales tax is 0% here sunglasses

fbueckert

@badp Ew.

badp

@FEichinger Based on the wording of this answer to the same question, I'd say the answer is obvious.

Jun 14 at 19:50, by Powerlord

@FAE Technically, I'm supposed to claim any Internet purchases on my state taxes.

FEichinger

@badp That's pretty much what I was talking about, yes.

Powerlord

17:07

@badp Actually, I do report those on my taxes. Which is why, the year I bought my PC, I ended up getting less of a refund back on my state taxes than I normally do.

(Overpaying on taxes is another US "tradition")

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria I don't believe you.

badp

@Powerlord Gotta sustain those tax filing software companies!

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot Your loss.

OrigamiRobot

w/e

badp

@StrixVaria That was the most lovely sloth I've ever seen.

StrixVaria

17:10

@badp You're not helping.

badp

Those claws... that blood... the tears of the children running in fear... the fire...

murder approves

FEichinger

StrixVaria

The one time I'm actually not trolling...

badp

@StrixVaria You didn't have to bring up the presence of sloths in the first place, yknow

now I can't unsee them

FEichinger

@Powerlord Well, the trading cards didn't roll out yet either, did they?

badp

17:14

guys, guys. Valve Time

OrigamiRobot

NO SALSARITA'S I DON'T WANT ANYTHING FOR MY CHIPS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK THREE TIMES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOUR SALSA OPTIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK ME IF I'M SURE.

badp

...also today I couldn't find the announcement of the end of beta thing today

maybe I looked in the wrong place?

You know what'd be funny

Tim Stone

Mmm, chips and salsa...

badp

If they tied the sale discounts to your steam account level

OrigamiRobot

@TimStone -SALSA

FEichinger

17:16

@badp Hmmmm ... In what way do you imagine that?

Powerlord

@badp It was mentioned a few days ago

badp

level 12? 12% off!

@Powerlord ah, I was looking through the announcements, that's why I missed it

FEichinger

@badp Probably more of a "every tier gets +5% off" thing, if at all.

badp

@FEichinger There's probably no need to be that stingy, given the power law

most of the userbase will only shove cents

FEichinger

It would screw with the metrics, though, I guess.

Sconibulus

17:18

I never figured out how to figure out my level

FEichinger

@Sconibulus Need to be in the beta to see it.

Sconibulus

@FEichinger I'm pretty sure I'm in the beta, at least I have some cards

FEichinger

@Sconibulus Well, then you should see it on your profile.

And pretty much every community page.

badp

@Sconibulus people in the beta can tell you your level; add me on Steam or something.

Powerlord

I have noticed that the Steam featured games list is listing games that are neither new nor on sale.

badp

17:20

...or if you have a post on the Steam forums somewhere, a link to that would work too

(not steamforums.com, their discussions thingy on steamcommunity.com)

FEichinger

Wait, Magic 2014 is released today?

That's ... an interesting coincidence.

Sconibulus

@badp I think I don't... I'm bad at community

badp

@Powerlord "We're going to move Trading Cards out of beta next Wednesday June 26th at 11am PDT." that's in 49 minutes

OrigamiRobot

@FEichinger Maybe DotP did.

Sconibulus

I think I joined an Arqade-related usergroup though

Powerlord

17:22

@badp Oh... it's usually 10am PDT they do things.

At least that's when sales always change.

badp

@Sconibulus Gotcha. Level 2.

Sconibulus

whee! I'm low!

badp

what does this page look like to you? steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198060318739/badges

Sconibulus

I'm at work, so "blocked"

badp

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Sconibulus

17:23

I only remember looking around for it inside my Steam client shortly after I joined the beta

badp

You can get two extra levels with the community stuff such as "spam your friends' profiles" and "add a video to your account"

but going from 2 to 4 won't change much unless they do bind steam levels to sales somehow

Sconibulus

or to item drops or something

badp

I do think Steam levels will be bound in some way

Powerlord

Once you get to level 10, you get a Steam Showcase

badp

@Sconibulus if you aren't level 10 you don't get to have "unusual" card drops

Sconibulus

17:25

Oh, there are "unusual" cards?

I have a shiny... didn't know there was more special than that

badp

they're called "foil"

Sconibulus

I'm reasonably sure I got a foil medic drop

badp

Oh, nevermind. You do have a foil Medic card you lucky bastard.

Those sell for several times more on the market.

€2.35 instead of €.27

Powerlord

Of course, the market prices may go plummeting down for both types once the beta goes away

fbueckert

@badp So almost 10 times the value.

Sconibulus

17:27

I might end up trying to trade it for the other cards I need for a badge so I can get the booster packs that are apparently a thing

badp

@Powerlord They may also spike as soon as the floodgates open and people don't have cards

it'll be temporary though

Powerlord

@badp That's also true.

With a limit of how many cards people can get, it's hard to say which way things will go.

badp

@Powerlord I just hope the cards will keep flying off the market as fast as they have

even if it's a fraction of the profit... it's still free money

of course if the price plummets down to the minimum, that won't happen.

Blem

badp

THIS DUCK IS SECRETLY A SLOTH.

Blem

17:34

I did not know there was a sloth rape meme, you learn something new every day :)

badp

:|

Grumpy Lazers

17:52

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Q: How do you get through Hell on an iPad?

I was playing Candy Box on an iPad, and suddenly realized that I needed the i and k keys to navigate through the map. How can I do this?

candy-box

badp

@GrumpyLazers neener neener

ANDROID DOES WHAT IPADON'T

<___<

PUT YOUR WALLETS AT THE READY, GENTLEMEN. IT BEGINS.

NOW. +valve time

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