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SaintWacko

6:19 PM

So I just saw a headline on TV: "Pot Stocks Up In Smoke: Valuations Too High?"

Slowpoke

Sim City, is that you?

Yuuki

@SaintWacko Having talked to a few journalism majors back in college, I can tell you that editors probably spend all of their free time crafting random puns in the hopes that they become newsworthy some day.

SaintWacko

@Yuuki Your dream job, hm?

Yuuki

@SaintWacko There's a reason why I talked to a "few" journalism majors rather than just one.

A-one and a-two and a-one and a-two...

> The sentence "Don't objectify women" has "women" as the object of the sentence.

cc @GodEmperorDune @Wipqozn @Ash

Nzall

and Method did it

they managed to down G'huun world first while streaming

That's their 10th end boss of a raid they killed as the first guild in the world

oh wow, Sco's sub counter is going mental

Unionhawk

6:27 PM

Unexplained moment in Buenos Aires on House Hunters International. This dog is wearing a beeper on his jeans.

Tweeted by LinSakraida on September 19, 2018 at 11:41 AM

Nzall

like, 50%+ of all chat messages are subscription notices

user15026

@Unionhawk in case someone needs to contact him for important dog purposes.

Yuuki

@Unionhawk /r/dogswithjobs

@Nzall Weekly reset was yesterday, right?

Nzall

@Yuuki today, actually, for EU

Yuuki

So, they did it just before reset then?

Nzall

6:30 PM

no, this morning

at 9 AM

Yuuki

When's reset in EU?

Nzall

They first cleared heroic and normal for some extra gear, then spent the past 5 hours wiping on the boss

EU reset is at 9 AM on wed

US reset is at 9 AM California time on Tuesday

Yuuki

Oh, I thought you meant they cleared it at 9 AM.

Nzall

they just cleared it when I said it

Sco literally gained 2500 subs in the past 5 minutes or so

Sco being their main tank and guild master

There are more people watching Sco right now than every League of Legends channel put together, and about as much as every Fortnite streamer apart from Ninja

user15026

Well, yeah, because they just did a big thing

Nzall

6:35 PM

Yeah, but this was the case for the past week

like, for the past week WoW was the number one game on Twitch, Sco was the biggest channel on Twitch

user15026

Yes, again, they're literally doing world first stuff for a big game, and got a lot of promo about it

user15026

I'm not really surprised it went through the roof

user15026

Like yes, it's cool they did it like they planned, but the response to them doing it makes sense

Yuuki

Still pretty cool that they got world first though. I heard some talk that if they didn't get the kill before weekly reset, then NA might have a slight advantage due to being able to gear up.

But then NA would have to re-clear the raid up to G'huun so I dunno.

user15026

(I wonder how much of those subs etc will be retained over time, but then again, there's no real reason to ever unsub from someone I guess, as evidenced by me subbing to a bunch of people and....forgettign about most of it)

Nzall

6:39 PM

@Yuuki Limit made a huge mistake in extending the instance instead of reclearing for loot. They literally had a sub-700K wipe

Yuuki

@Ash I think Twitch un-subs you automatically after a month, right?

Or is that just Prime subs?

Nzall

@Yuuki I think only with Twitch Prime, if you don't extend

user15026

I assume just Prime

Nzall

normal subs get renewed

user15026

(I eventually unsubbed to most of Twitch when I realized I never watch it and when i do I get frustrated at how badly it works)

Yuuki

6:41 PM

@Nzall I guess you could argue that if you got really close and had significant trouble with earlier bosses that wasn't gear-related, you might think that that extending would be a better strat.

But I can't imagine that better gear wouldn't solve a lot of hurdles leading up to G'huun.

Nzall

@Yuuki The main issue is that at the same time as reset, they nerfed Vantus Runes (pretty big buff) and had an Azerite trait rebalancing. Limit underestimated how much impact that would have and thought they would make it with just the gear from their mythic caches

Yuuki

@Nzall They nerfed Vantus Runes? Goddammit, why do I even bother with Inscription so much?

Nzall

Yeah, cut the Versatility bonus in half

Yuuki

It's like the only consumable production profession that the dev team will tolerate is Alchemy.

Nzall

Keep crafting those darkmoon decks, they're pretty great

Yuuki

6:44 PM

And everybody else better roll double gathering or armor production.

SaintWacko

Professions in general are pretty bad this expac

Nzall

Vantus Runes were just too powerful though. Method was struggling on Fetid Devourer to get the adds down in time. They used 6 Vantus runes and had no issues the next attempt

Yuuki

@Nzall I used to love Darkmoon decks but the RNG on the crafting is too ridiculous.

I wish I could just craft cards for a specific deck/suit or something.

I have yet to complete a Darkmoon deck without giving up and purchasing my last three or four cards since WotLK.

user15026

It's funny how you guys talk about WoW and I think I should understand at least some of it but I really don't despite playing a decent amount :P

Nzall

Everyone in Sco's chat is now spamming "Kiss Gingi

Yuuki

6:48 PM

@Ash Darkmoon decks are trinkets crafted by the Inscription profession. You have to collect... 10(?) cards from a specific suit to get the trinket.

Nzall

8 cards

Yuuki

There are typically four decks for tank, healer, melee DPS, and ranged DPS.

user15026

I assume you get them from darkmoon Faire?

Nzall

but these trinkets are generally the best trinkets at the start of the game

Yuuki

@Ash No, actually.

Nzall

6:49 PM

No, you used to need to turn them in at the faire, but they changed that

user15026

Ah. I just guessed based on teh name :P

Yuuki

An Inscription recipe lets you craft a random card.

Nzall

now you just get 8 cards and craft the deck

Yuuki

They're so expensive though. Even if you craft them yourself, the opportunity cost of the herbs is ridiculous.

Nzall

but they're really strong. Like, for most melee DPS they beat out pretty much every other trinket, even if that other trinket is 30 ilvl higher

Yuuki

6:50 PM

You either have to buy remaining cards, which gets expensive, or you waste a lot of herbs on either duplicate cards or cards for other decks.

Nzall

I recommend selling the cards at first. A lot of raiders want the trinket early on

like, at first the cards went for upwards of 80K

Yuuki

BfA has an Obliterum equivalent, right?

Nzall

no, actually

Yuuki

Ugh.

I would personally like to keep using my profession equipment...

Nzall

What I ended up doing was buying the cards individually when they were cheap. I think I spent about 150K on all 8 cards

Trust me, for this first patch, they're probably better than anything else you can get

SaintWacko

6:53 PM

@Yuuki Kind of. You get Sanguicell from raids which can be used to upgrade your crafted ilvl 355 stuff

Nzall

like, for Fury Warriors, they beat every other trinket in the game unless you get it at max titanforge

Yuuki

I like the idea of the Darkmoon trinkets. I just hate acquiring them.

And once I get them, I'd like to be able to keep them for an xpac.

Unionhawk

oh... my... god... what... the hell... is...

This is some pure css nightmare stuff lol

holy shit

I'm both impressed and scared

I... wonder.......

This thing is using some css magic to make a mobile hamburger nav function, by making the hamburger a <label for="nav"> where #nav is an <input type="checkbox"> hidden in z-index -9999999999

yes

I think I have a dumb solution for this but good lord

user15026

7:10 PM

I mostly just like playing WoW for the story/questing. I do dungeons sometimes but not all that often (unless it is just me and World facestomping a thing), although I do at some point want to do the BfA dungeons, when I have the brains to do so

Ave

the nintendo switch online NES thing is p cool tbh, have a dumb video

Nzall

@Ash Try to find a group with patience. most dungeons take a lot of spoons

user15026

@Nzall I usually just do random groups with my husband, and he always reminds me that I do the best I can and if it sucks, we just go do something else

Nzall

@Ash I'm curious: what class/spec do you mainly play?

Also, if you can, try and go through all 12 order hall campaigns. That's loads of story there

user15026

My main is a gnome fury warrior

user15026

7:22 PM

My alt is a troll hunter

Nzall

Good choices. Fury warriors are a relatively easy spec to play, and same with hunters

so you're not going to waste a lot of spoons on that

I play a Fury Warrior myself, it's a fun spec too

Unionhawk

lol @ this regular ironman with a name starting with "HC" (nice hardcore status lol)

Yuuki

Affliction Warlock feels uncomplicated.

Unionhawk

(said the guy with a regular account and no ironman)

user15026

@Nzall That's why I picked them :)

Yuuki

7:26 PM

@Nzall Finding groups with patience also takes a lot of spoons, unfortunately.

user15026

@Yuuki This is one of the next things I want to try

Nzall

@Yuuki Yeah, but if you can find a steady group of friends, it's a one-time investment for potentially a large return

Yuuki

@Ash Warlock is nice also because you have a big friendly blueberry to keep you safe.

user15026

So far grouping with husband + randos works, I chat with him on voice while we play so he keeps me chill and encouraged and such, I just lately haven't had the spoons to want to do dungeon runs when I get home from work

Yuuki

Although they definitely feel less tanky than in Legion.

user15026

7:28 PM

@Yuuki I am jealous of all the friends you can have as a warlock, yes (World's main atm is a warlock of some flavour, it's neat)

Yuuki

And I usually pull threat off of them when the mob's half-dead.

user15026

For a while he was whatever spec allows you to have like a small imp army but I don't think he's that anymore, been a while since we had the menagerie following us about :P

Yuuki

@Ash That would be Demonology, I think.

user15026

Stara's just a fury warrior because when I started I was like "I want a thing that can just walk up and hit stuff"

Yuuki

It's kinda like Beastmaster for Hunter.

user15026

7:29 PM

and hunter is basically "stand farther away and hit stuff"

Yuuki

@Ash Unless you're Survival, but I think their rotation is somewhat involved.

user15026

@Yuuki I am Beast Master

user15026

because pets are fuuuuun

Yuuki

> Guild: <Jolly Roger>

user15026

facedesk

user15026

7:32 PM

My main isn't in a guild, my alt is in a guild that's me, my husband, and one other Stack friend

user15026

(and maybe one other person?)

user15026

It was one of those "this used to be more active and have more people like ten years ago but life happens" things

Yuuki

I feel like this gif didn't get the attention it warrants.

user15026

I am debating about the Nintendo Switch online stuff but a) I don't really play online stuff, b) I don't super love playing NES games, and c) right now my Switch doesn't get much play because I'm playing WoW so much. So....for now, I think I'm just gonna save the $20 :P

user15026

Like I like SMB3 and such but I have owned them so many times and eventually I get frustrated because those games are HARD.

quartata

7:40 PM

The Nintendo Switch online thing makes me really mad

Dunkey actually talked about this in a video, but this is basically all thanks to Microsoft demonstrating that people will still pay for Xbox Live even though it barely even works anymore

Jason Berkan

@Ash A LONG, LONG time ago, I used a Game Genie to get to the final level of SMB3. Even with all the cheats I could find on, I never finished the level.

quartata

PS online services used to be free

Now they're all moving to subscription plans because apparently it works

We have regressed

Nzall

At least PC is still free

quartata

Xbox Live really is completely dysfunctional too

Wipqozn

@JasonBerkan The last world of SMB3 is pretty intense. I'm pretty sure I've only managed to beat it once. I should try again at some point. I'm older and wiser now, right?

Yuuki

7:44 PM

On one hand, it's cheaper than any other online gaming service and free-to-play games (Fortnite, Paladins, etc.) don't require the paid online. On the other hand, they could always just raise the price.

Plus, they're still charging a service for something they used to do for free.

quartata

It really makes no sense

Yuuki

The cloud saves is a bit of a sticky issue as well. They delete saves as soon as your subscription lapses.

No grace period.

quartata

Oh that's heinous

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn With age comes slower reflexes.

Wipqozn

Is Splatoon 2 P2P or does nintendo host the servers?

@JasonBerkan True

Ave

7:46 PM

it's p2p

Unionhawk

both

Ave

ehh

sure there's dauth or smth

also matchmaking servers

but actual gameplay happens on p2p

Nzall

You know what's funny about the Method World First? Their healer officer had his car break down on the way home from work, after he already was delayed at work. They had one of their Paladin DPS go Holy, who literally didn't even know what Beacon of Light was yesterday

Unionhawk

oh, I read p2p as in pay to play lol

owned

Yuuki

@Nzall Man, talk about focusing on your spec.

I know bits about other class mechanics that I don't even play.

quartata

7:48 PM

So Splatoon is effectively a cardboard brick without the subscription too now

How does Odyssey work? Those services could be emulated with a set of post-it notes

Yuuki

I think you can still play the story. Which is actually all right.

Ave

uuuuh no clue

Yuuki

IIRC, Odyssey isn't affected.

Ave

I think those shouldn't require

Yuuki

The leaderboard stuff as well as the Luigi balloon thing are free/accessible without a subscription.

quartata

7:50 PM

Imagine charging money for it to tell you where a balloon is

Unfortunately I can imagine

Ave

honestly

nintendo switch online should've been free

it's literally p2p

make the emulator paid, sure

but making online play paid when your online services are TERRIBLE is just

Unionhawk

The whole splatoon is now paid thanks for playing thing is :|

quartata

I hope all those people conflicted about liking Nintendo as a corporation can resolve that now

@Ave this is exactly what makes it terrible

Unionhawk

It'd be less :| if it was only a going forward type thing, but, it isn't, so it's full :|

Ave

"but ave how is it terrible"
- I had maaany games on splatoon 2 where everyone but me on my team left, and they didn't get punished for it
- p2p, what a joke
- anticheat is just hash comparisons, which used to not exist until a recent update
- no report featufe
- mobile app for voicechat? really?

quartata

7:53 PM

P2P and anti-cheat fundamentally do not mix

we figured this stuff out in 1996

wake up

Yuuki

Well, the assumption I guess is that making it a paid service means Nintendo do dedicated servers and actually support their online stuff.

quartata

@Yuuki lol

Unionhawk

at least splatoon isn't a p2p stealth game

Yuuki

inb4 lols

Unionhawk

lol

Ave

7:53 PM

lol

SaintWacko

lol

Yuuki

ha suckers

quartata

So far the pattern is that the more money it costs the poorer quality it is

see: xbox live

Ave

nintendo doesn't do stuff

quartata

nintendo canonically uses AskJeeves

Unionhawk

7:54 PM

@quartata so by this metric congratulations to nintendo tbh

quartata

rhats how online they are

Someone better reverse-engineer this stuff is all I'm saying

Ave

pretendo

Unionhawk

For the record my 'lol' above is "payday 2 is a p2p stealth game that exists and gets weird"

Ave

I remember using hacks on payday 2

that wouldn't be possible if it wasn't p2p

Unionhawk

Yeah you can do all kinds of stuff

quartata

7:56 PM

@Unionhawk payday 2's netcode is half the entertainment value

dude i love falling through dumpsters though

Ave

oh and bridge I have a terrible idea

Unionhawk

I remember falling through a whole level one time lol yeah

Ave

at work we have a number of switches

I take joycons

I take a switch

Unionhawk

Fortunately the game has a failsafe that just spawns you back on the ground if that happens

Ave

I combine them

I get a picture

and bam instant internet fame

quartata

7:58 PM

wait what

Ave

switch in this context is a network switch

SaintWacko

Oh

Unionhawk

Switch, as in network switch? Or as in weird guys who hate Satan will repost it?

I'm confused

Ave

switch as in network switch

and the weird person that hates satan with a pfp of themselves at 1337 posts will likely hate me for it

Unionhawk

Damn mobile lol

Ave

8:00 PM

(along with everything else I do but still)

there's way too many meanings of switch. I blame Nintendo for making it worse.

also oh damn finally finished backing up 6.0.0 files to my cloud

it's 269mb but took so long

I miss my good internet back in ankara, wish I stayed there for a couple days more

Wipqozn

I'd be more upset by Nintendo charging for online if it wasn't only $20 a year. Microsoft established a long time ago that folks are willing to access online services, and so I'm not really surprised Nintendo is following suite.

Ave

$20 is a bit in turkish liras

Wipqozn

Their offering is definitely lackluster, but well, it's also exactly what I expected.

Ave

definitely not a bit I'd pay for the terrible splatoon experience

and for nes games

(thankfully someone is family sharing)

Wipqozn

Sure that's totally fair

Ave

8:04 PM

NieR Automata is %50 off ($30) until Sept 24 on Steam

Unionhawk

@Ave lmao what an epic forum pic

xd

Ave

can't be better than my discord pfp

it's the worst thing ever and I love it

Unionhawk

jesus christ

Ave

oh god

I HAVE THE BEST IDEA

murgatroid99

@Ave I recommend that game.

Yuuki

8:20 PM

@Wipqozn I really do hope they take the money they're making from the online service and actually make network infrastructure.

But if they wanted good PR, they should've made the network infrastructure first and then started charging for it.

Right now, it just looks garbage.

Ave

aw I couldn't do the best idea

wasn't allowed to do it

Wipqozn

@Yuuki I wouldn't get your hopes up

That would be great, but they've always struggled with online

Which is probably another reason I'm not that concerned, since I don't really play their games online anyways

Yuuki

cc @Ash @Nzall

SaintWacko

There must always beeee a Lich King

Ave

8:36 PM

not the best, but here's the current version

I really would like to add the thing I wanted to add

but I can not

Yuuki

@Nzall I'm looking through threads on WoW being the most-watched game on Twitch right now and it's just so off-putting to see so many people trash-talking Fortnite.

I haven't played it since the first week of beta (before there was even a battle royale mode). It's always so strange to me to see how vocal people are about how much they hate it.

It's like some kind of weird social badge of honor. "DAE Fortnite is the worst game ever??!!!1111"

Jason Berkan

It's cool to hate.

Ave

fortnite is weird

it's fun to meme about

you REALLY don't even ahve to bash it for it to be a meme

fortnite

user15026

@Yuuki beeeeeeee

user15026

(I want bees so bad.)

user15026

8:48 PM

@Ave I don't understand most of this and I am happy that way

Ave

it's mooostly 2014 memes

from around the time rip texenox was around

Yuuki

@JasonBerkan I get that but it's also so strange to see it with my friends when they just talk about Fortnite out of nowhere. I've tried asking them why they bring up Fortnite randomly, but it's always like "I just don't like the gameplay". But you don't play it and neither do I, why are we talking about it?

Jason Berkan

That is a good question.

All I know about Fortnite is that I've had to ban the dancing in my house.

Yuuki

Is that a problem?

user15026

I barely know what kind of game Fortnite is or how you play or anything

Yuuki

8:54 PM

inb4 @JasonBerkan stars as the dad in Footloose 2: Fortnite Boogaloo

@Ash It's a third-person shooter with a base building core element. Originally, it was meant to be a co-op wave/tower defense game, but the most popular game mode is now the PVP battle royale.

user15026

Ah, okay :)

Yuuki

There's still the co-op mode, but it's definitely no longer the target audience.

user15026

For Audible subscribers - are you all already listening to @sueperkins's free Earpedia: Plants series? It's full of silly happy geekery about plants (Horrible Histories-style), I listen to it every night as I pack the kids' s lunches, & I laugh every time. https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Sue-Perkins-Earpedia-Plants-Audiobook/B07CTRGBQB

Tweeted by stephanieburgis on September 19, 2018 at 8:52 PM

Moacir

The fact that the "original" version was paid and now this free-to-play is the main focus bothers me, even with me not having either version

user15026

/cc @GodEmperorDune because Sue Perkins

Dragonrage

8:57 PM

anyone know how to fix a jittery mouse scroll?

Chippies

@Dragonrage how is it jittery?

Dragonrage

like when scrolling down, it will go slightly back up, then start going down again

Jason Berkan

@Yuuki No. I'm just a grumpy old man.

Chippies

@Dragonrage is it an old, dirty mouse?

Dragonrage

no, its relatively new. maybe a year or so old

Moacir

8:59 PM

@Dragonrage I recall that happening to me once but I dont recall the solution. I think its something software related

GodEmperorDune

@Ash yasss i must investigate this

Chippies

is it dirty though? Any dirt in the mousewheel?

if it has any software, try turning it off

Dragonrage

@Chippies a little bit, not a lot

Moacir

@Dragonrage superuser.com/questions/297798/…

Dragonrage

ok, seems better now

just blew into the slight opening next to the mouse wheel

user15026

9:04 PM

@GodEmperorDune It might need an Audible sub, I don't know

user15026

I haven't really looked into it myself yet

GodEmperorDune

@Ash oh noooooooooooooo

sue perkins, why do you make me buy all the things

user15026

This also tangentiallyreminds me I am so behind on GBBO because finding it this go round has been darn near impossible

GodEmperorDune

i am boycotting GBBO without sue

user15026

I like GBBO in general, it's still decent without her

user15026

9:08 PM

I just like my quiet kindness cake show

GodEmperorDune

sure i'm not judging

(because i'm not paul hollywood :p)

Nzall

For those interested: twitch.tv/videos/312135517?t=00h07m55s is the VoD of the World First G'huun kill

It starts roughly 8 minutes in if the link throws you to the start

user15026

@GodEmperorDune giggles true true

user15026

I need to see if I can source the rest of this current season, but my usual tricks are not bearing fruit :(

user15026

I mean season two of Great Canadian Baking Show apparently starts soon but I don't like that quite as much as GBBO

GodEmperorDune

9:17 PM

@Ash more like b-eh-king

user15026

@GodEmperorDune facedesk

GodEmperorDune

spoiler alert, the moose wins

user15026

the moose always wins, no one can match his skills with mousse

GodEmperorDune

hehe

Wipqozn

10:04 PM

Okay I think I've had my full of Two Point HOspital for now, so time for some XCOM 2

Looks like @ToxicFrog isn't my character list, time to add them!

Also @Slowpoke want to provide me with a list of all your Pokemon avatars? I'll add that to my list as requested.

Slowpoke

10:26 PM

Shellder
Noctowl
Venomoth
Seaking
Chandelure
Hippowdon
Tentacruel
Kingler
Cofagrigus
Scolipede
Braviary
Lumineon
Xatu
Beedrill
Staravia
Tropius
Dodrio
Exeggutor

Wipqozn

@Slowpoke My word that's a lot

I forgot you were Seaking

@Dragonrage is already gravely wounded. I threw him in a spot I figured he'd get hit at, but in my defense, it gave me a flanking shot.

Dragonrage

you dont get any defense

in fact, you should be tried in the hague for war crimes because you are such an inept general, you end up getting your entire army killed because of it

Wipqozn