The Bridge

user15026

18:00

@Yuuki Have you thrown wet fish at them for it?

user15026

Because I would.

Yuuki

Well, I've stopped going there to watch movies for one.

Unless they send me free tickets for advance showings.

But they don't get any money out of that (from me at least), so that's fine with me.

djsmiley2k

@murgatroid99 ... you can

user15026

Okay, so they do have chat reps for Outlook.com

user15026

they just hide them well.

user15026

18:03

waits for one

Texenox

Heey.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Can you freeze a bomb?

Can you use a freeze spell on a bomb to slow/delay the explosion? If my hogs are trompin around pounding everything into oblivion and stumble across a double bomb, is it possible to drop a freeze spell to give my hogs time to bounce out before they all get disintegrated?

clash-of-clans

murgatroid99

@djsmiley2k OK, have you ever written a video streaming program? If so, I'll just say you know more than me and be done

Powerlord

@Yuuki ...?

djsmiley2k

sdsds

I helped dismantle twitch so we could archive it

but no, not written one from the ground up

Powerlord

18:05

@Yuuki Are we talking about the same W-2? The US one that the government mandates must be mailed out before January 31?

Yuuki

@Powerlord I had a job at a local movie theatre at the end of last year and I quit after I got my current job.

@Powerlord Supposedly, they mailed it but I didn't get it.

murgatroid99

@djsmiley2k OK, whatever, close enough. If you have experience with their video streaming code, that's what I meant

Yuuki

Unfortunately, I don't think I have enough information to construct a replacement W-2.

Brian

It's only wednesday and I'm already on the bridge...

djsmiley2k

not suerrehedh

Texenox

18:07

YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE BRIDGE

djsmiley2k

not sure why keyboard keeps screwing up, you likely know more @murgatroid99 but I know enough to be dangerous D:

user15026

@Brian Is that unusual for you?

Brian

@AshleyNunn I usually make it until thursday...I think...

user15026

@Brian well, welcome a day early ;)

Brian

@AshleyNunn thanks

I do want to ask: Does anyone here use steamgifts.com?

murgatroid99

18:09

@djsmiley2k All I'm going to say is that you, as someone with consumer internet, don't have the bandwidth to dump raw 1080p video into a TCP connection at the same rate that you can generate those frames

djsmiley2k

That's true!

No arguement there.

but that ability, if worth anything, should have swapable out output locations, formats, codecs, etc.

Brian

I'll take the silence as a "no"

murgatroid99

Which means that a streaming program needs to compress those frames on the fly, unlike a recording program. And it needs to buffer video in memory, because reading from disk takes forever. Which probably also means that it needs to be able to drop frames to maintain transmission rate without overfilling its buffer, unlike a video recorder

etc.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Preston Garvey is boosted above 10?

I've triple checked now, and I've noticed the oddest thing. As part of my ocd (don't ask), I absolutely have to have all SPECIAL stats boosted to 10 before sending a dweller out to the wasteland. (emotional connection leads to that I want to give them the best chance of survival, it isn't even ab...

fallout-shelter

murgatroid99

You have to send 1 second's worth of frames every second, or your clients will be eternally buffering.

Brian

18:16

I think I'll make another public giveaway on steamgifts. I'll let you guys pick the game (from a few options), even though apparently none of you use the site XD

badp

Ad blocking, the Google way (which also means it's US only because of course it is US only.)

Unionhawk

Hello

murgatroid99

@badp I'm pretty sure that the plan is not for it to continue to be US only

Unionhawk

I am a part of the set of people who qualify for US only things

badp

@murgatroid99 still.

two bugs

18:18

@badp Hilariously, this article was filled with clickbait ads for me

Wipqozn

badp

@Unionhawk but you aren't US only. The whole world can enjoy your PhW services

Unionhawk

Some of them are US only.

Just because

murgatroid99

Anyway, I use Contributor, and it seems pretty reasonable to me

Rapitor

alright, after fiddling with more things I probably shouldn't have fiddled with, the brick is no longer a brick

murgatroid99

18:20

Of course, as someone whose paycheck is paid by Google's ad network, I'll admit that I may be slightly biased

badp

@murgatroid99 let's just say I'm super excited about it

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 Is it like Twitch Turbo for the entire internet, essentially? That's kind of what it sounds like it wants to be

two bugs

I like Contributor. At least on paper, it sounds great.

Less ads, but still support sites I like? Win-win.

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk I guess

Obviously, though, it only works for ads operated by Google

Rapitor

@murgatroid99 android peeps should probably be made aware... enabling RTL mode on android 5.1 bricks the phone

murgatroid99

18:21

@Rapitor wow, that's interesting

Rapitor

i can verify this happening, as I just did it.

Unionhawk

Fun times

Rapitor

spent all morning fixing and having to resort to factory settings

murgatroid99

And given that we sell Android 5.1 phones in RTL countries, I'm surprised it hasn't been noticed before

Rapitor

/me grump.

badp

18:22

I don't know how I missed the news of the beta program launching publicly

Unionhawk

There's probably something exceptionally weird happening here

murgatroid99

@Rapitor I don't even know how you do that

Rapitor

the "force RTL mode" in developer options is the culprit, it might work if its enabled by defaulkt

badp

Oh mobile networks

Unionhawk

On one hand, why on earth would you do that, on the other hand, because developers probably want to make sure their application works in rtl mode

badp

18:23

@Rapitor I've enabled it in the past...

Rapitor

on 5.1?

badp

@Unionhawk it looks super weird and fascinating

Brian

Actually, since no one here seems to care, I'll just make a poll on the steamgifts forum. (Which, is currently obsessed with potatoes for some reason, and I suspect @fredley is somehow behind it.)

badp

@Rapitor dunno

Unionhawk

On the other other hand, it could be Motorolla/Verizon's build that's being weird, particularly

Rapitor

18:24

probably ^

forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/…

Unionhawk

Reported on what? Just droid turbo at this point?

Because if that's the case, then it's probably Verizon/Motorolla's fault

In which case don't expect a fix ever

Just don't press that button again

murgatroid99

I'm tempted to enable it, but I kind of need my phone

badp

Same with my tablet

Rapitor

it's a pretty serious issue that any user can do, there's no warning or anything it's just ded

badp

It's my only lifeline with sanity

murgatroid99

18:27

@Rapitor any user that enables developer options, you mean

Chippies

@Brian what do we not seem to care about?

Rapitor

@murgatroid99 any user can do that

Brian

@Chippies I'm figuring out which game I should give away on steamgifts.com

Unionhawk

My money says it's the build particularly for Droid Turbo causing weird problems

murgatroid99

@Rapitor You make it sound like it's something that's just sitting there waiting to be pressed, even though you have to go through this arcane ritual just to get to developer options

Chippies

18:28

@Brian ah, I stopped using steamgifts.com after I realized I spent more time bidding on games than I was actually playing them. Most of those games are bundle games that are worth almost nothing anyway, so... Idk, I should check it out again maybe

Unionhawk

This is a good point, I'm pretty sure in Android 5.1 you had to sacrifice a goat to enable developer options

badp

If you want to see RTL layouts without forcing them simply switch your device to Hebrew

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk Actually, you just have to go to settings, then phone information, then tap your phone's version number 5 times

Chippies

@murgatroid99 Idk about Android 5.0+, but in both 4.0 and 2.1 you just have a checkmark for it

badp

I'm sure @LessPop_MoreFizz will be happy to translate the labels for you

murgatroid99

18:30

I literally just did it because I was trying to find the developer options

Brian

@Chippies I use one of the add-ons for 1-click entering of giveaways, and I actually don't enter that many anymore, so it doesn't take much time. I also use the trades section of it more than the giveaways. I've won 16 and only given 5 now, so I'm trying to give back more.

badp

The single best dev option is show touches

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 (yes I am fully aware that you don't actually sacrifice a goat for this, in the same sense that I am aware that @Frank doesn't actually eat the still-beating hearts of new users)

badp

It looks nice and it helps you realize what the fuck is going on when the screen very occasionally acts up and no you are not missing the tiny ass link it's Chrome that's actively working to not let you click on it

Rapitor

@murgatroid99 true, it's not just a little checkbox anymore... which is nice they made it a fun lil treasure hunt kind of thing

user15026

18:32

throws rocks at MS chat Because I want to set up an email and want their help with it, they want to charge me, and couldn't understand that I knew how to set up the email, I just wanted to know what an error message meant.

user15026

But at least someone here finally was like "oh, yeah, here is what you do with that, its a weird edge case"

Rapitor

I like having the "show touch" option on for some reason.

badp

@AshleyNunn what's not clear about "error 0x89472050$"?

Ronan Forman

Show GUI updates is clearly where it's at.

user15026

@badp Well, actually it was "Outlook is not available"

Brian

18:33

@Chippies steamgifts.com/discussion/BDNdV/…

There, poll created.

user15026

Which actually means "Outlook.com does not work with our particular mail server"

Chippies

@Brian I don't recognize any of those games by name, lol

badp

@RonanForman GUI UPDATE HARD

Unionhawk

@badp Even better was the one error code I found to be "this is the exception code for all .NET errors" and it's like "why is it a hex error code if it's the same thing all the time"

Brian

@Chippies Oh, I should include links...

Chippies

18:34

@Brian that would make things easier

badp

Also setting Windows/Animator/Transaction time scales to 0.5× is nice

Unionhawk

This was back when I didn't have my environment set up right. Now I do, so things are easier to work with.

Rapitor

@badp setting em faster is nice too

Brian

@Chippies Links added.

Powerlord

...one of my coworkers had a trivia question "Which continent has the fewest flowering plants?"

...how can you possibly get that question wrong?

Rapitor

18:36

i should stop playing with these options before I brick it again :l

Chippies

@Brian I voted, Idk if I'll actually participate in the giveaway or not

badp

Finally if you like getting the @Wipqozn experience you can set Simulate Color Space

too bad it really slows things down

(Set it to Deuteranomaly)

SaintWacko

Anyone here work with C++?

I'm running into a weird problem

badp

(I think.)

Brian

@SaintWacko Yes, but I doubt I can answer your question.

SaintWacko

18:39

Bleh, alright

badp

@SaintWacko are you editing the files that are being compiled?

#1 source of weirdest issues

SaintWacko

@badp No

Powerlord

@SaintWacko Only a little.

badp

... In regular scenarios

Powerlord

What is your weird problem?

(it's my creation... er... wait, that's Weird Science)

badp

18:40

@SaintWacko THERE YOU HAVE IT YOU HAVE BEEN CHANGING THE WRONG FILES FOR AT LEAST HALF AN HOUR I KNEW IT

Keeps happening.

SaintWacko

I'm running into a weird issue with a string. I have a function that captures a string from a terminal emulator. As part of the debugging, it prints out the captured string inside the function. That works. It prints just fine. When I try to print out the returned string in the main program, it just prints out gibberish

@badp Oh, I thought you were asking if I was editing the files while it was compiling

badp

Try and print the address of the String instead

Is it the same? Does it change? Or does the buffer get freed/thrashed along the way?

Powerlord

Are you talking about a std::string or a char[]/char* ?

SaintWacko

string Capture(int loc, int length){
	char contents[100];
	std::string out;
	int HFunc = HA_COPY_PS_TO_STR;
	int HLen = length;
	int HRc = loc;
	hllapi(&HFunc, contents, &HLen, &HRc);
	strncpy_s(out, contents, length);
	printf(out);
	return out;
}

There's the function

location = SearchPS("TIME:");
	printf("%s\n", Capture(location + 6, 2));
	printf("%s\n", Capture(location + 9, 2));

badp

Does that mean the String is on the stack actually?

SaintWacko

18:45

There's where it's trying to print it

I'm probably doing something wrong due to a lack of understanding

Powerlord

...since when does strncpy_s operate on std::string ?

badp

Wait. Why are you using "%c"

SaintWacko

Oh, the &s shouldn't be there

@badp I was messing with things and forgot to change it back

two bugs

"I forgot to change it back" said the surgeon

SaintWacko

@Powerlord Argh

Somethign else I forgot to change back

Unionhawk

18:47

\o/

SaintWacko

string Capture(int loc, int length){
	char contents[100];
	char out[100];
	int HFunc = HA_COPY_PS_TO_STR;
	int HLen = length;
	int HRc = loc;
	hllapi(&HFunc, contents, &HLen, &HRc);
	strncpy_s(out, contents, length);
	printf(out);
	return out;
}

Okay, now it's back to how it was when I had the issue

Rapitor

what are you trying to do?

Powerlord

@SaintWacko ...fix the return type, too.

badp

Out is a char[]

You are returning string

Is string really a char[]?

I guess you would be getting at least compiler warnings if it wasn't

Unionhawk

char* arewehavingfunyet = "no"

badp

18:50

Boolean isEverythingTerribleStill;

SaintWacko

char[] Capture(int y, int x, int length);

Unionhawk

const bool isEverythingTerribleStill = true;

SaintWacko

I'm getting Error: Expected an identifier on the opening [

murgatroid99

@badp If this is C++, I assume a string is automatically constructed from the char[]

Rapitor

at least they know their market...?

Powerlord

18:51

Return a char * instead

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko There's no such type as char[]. It would be char*

badp

Boolean isEverythingTerribleStill = (bool) Boolean.valueOf(true && isThisRealLife()));

SaintWacko

Yay, that was the problem!

Thank you so much

I knew there was probably something simple I was missing through ignorance

So the problem was that I was trying to return a char array as a std::string?

Powerlord

Whose bright idea was it to let me have a bad of LifeSaver mints at my desk?

I can't stop eating the darn things.

Unionhawk

@badp Which can logically be reduced to isThisRealLife() obviously

SaintWacko

18:53

@Unionhawk isThisJustFantasy()

badp

@Unionhawk but that's not nearly as enterprisey

two bugs

(isThisRealLife || isThisJustFantasy)

Unionhawk

@badp You could be more enterprisey and say that isThisRealLife() returns a Boolean formed as a string so you have to go Boolean.Parse(isThisRealLife())

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko basically, you were returning a char array from a function that returns a string, so (as far as I understand), the implicit std::string constructor was getting called with that char array as an argument. Then you were giving printf a std::string object where it was expecting a char *

badp

I forget, does "(bool) null" (and equivalent autounboxings) cause an NPE or just default to false?

Unionhawk

18:57

Probably depends

But now I want to know

Thanks @badp

badp

YW

SaintWacko

Okay, so now that Capture is returning a char *, how do I do this?

Send("ZATIM " + Capture(location + 6, 2) + Capture(location + 9, 2) + " TOD GOOD");

murgatroid99

You can't just + strings together

You need strcat or something

badp

You chose char[]. You chose poorly

murgatroid99

Maybe you should just use std::string everywhere

badp

18:59

You likely don't want to deal with the C String APIs

murgatroid99

And instead of printf, you would use cout (I think)

Unionhawk

> (bool)null
> Cannot convert null to 'bool' because it is a non-nullable value type

badp

So if it wasn't a compilation error it'd be a NPE

murgatroid99

@badp There's nothing getting dererferenced

badp

Thanks Java.

murgatroid99

19:00

It's just trying to put a value into a non-matching type

Unionhawk

(this is C# but same concept probably)

SaintWacko

This is the problem with going from Java to C++

Oh, I also need to figure out how to dynamically set the length of a char array

Fun

badp

@murgatroid99 why are we even trying to think about pointers in Java. Why isn't null an object.

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko Wait. Back up. Can you do this without char arrays

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 Maybe?

I have no idea

badp

19:02

Python's None is still an object.

Unionhawk

Why is python's None an object?

That seems like the better question to me

SaintWacko

The problem is that the hllapi(&HFunc, contents, &HLen, &HRc) expects something called LPSTR

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk because everything in Python is an object

SaintWacko

And the only type it seems to accept is a char array

two bugs

Has anyone investigated a new user who is bumping a lot of old questions? I'm a little paranoid it might be a certain, let's say, banned user.

SaintWacko

19:03

I think I would much rather be using strings

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko you can get a char array from a std::string

I would suggest only pulling the char * out when you need it, and using strings otherwise

badp

Why is null.equals(whatever) an NPE?

murgatroid99

@badp because you're dereferencing it to call a method on it

Powerlord

wtf... my Delete key no longer works in Eclipse

badp

You could simply always return false.

murgatroid99

19:05

That's literally what NPE means

That's the only way to get NPE

badp

null toString() is "null"

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 The way it works is that you pass the hllapi function the char array, and it stores the captured data from the emulator in it

badp

That's about everything Object does

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko Oh, right, I was about to say, if you need a char buffer, you can just fallback to calloc, and then turn it into a string when you get the data

SaintWacko

Sounds like I need to learn about calloc

murgatroid99

19:07

You seem to be using a C API. Maybe you should use C

And now I have to go AFK

Unionhawk

@badp Java is weird

Powerlord

LPSTR is a char *

(sorry, LPCSTR is a const char *)

I blame Microsoft for this Hungarian naming abuse

Blender Warrior

@Unionhawk How so?

SaintWacko

Okay, so I've done this:
char * contents;
contents = (char*)calloc(length, 1);

...okay then

Anyway, I need to get a string from that, I guess?

I am so bad at this

Blender Warrior

19:26

@SaintWacko No, your not

two bugs

Bleh. It's almost go home time, so naturally it starts pouring rain. I brought rain to California last week, and now it followed me home!

MBraedley

C-style strings are the worst

two bugs

C-strings are dumb and I dislike them.

3

Blender Warrior

C-strings are so Awesome

two bugs

They have their uses, but meh.

murgatroid99

19:27

C is great

two bugs

I should clarify that I don't like working with them in C++, no strong feelings about them in C

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko Then contents is the argument you pass to that function

MBraedley

´std::string´ all the way

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 Which function?

MBraedley

Stupid mobile

murgatroid99

19:29

@SaintWacko The one you said required a char *

SaintWacko

Oh, I do

And it fills it with the data

Or at least I think it does

murgatroid99

And then, once that function returns, you can construct a std::string with contents

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 string out(contents, length); Like that?

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko That should do it

SaintWacko

I do that, but then printf("%s\n",out); just prints gibberish

murgatroid99

19:31

The problem is that you're using printf

SaintWacko

What should I be using?

murgatroid99

printf is a C API. And you're giving it a C++ object

@SaintWacko cout, I think

Yuuki

SaintWacko

Oh

Yuuki

cc @Ktash

Blender Warrior

19:31

@Yuuki Taco Woman!!!!!

murgatroid99

It should be something like cout << Capture(location+6, 2) << '\n'

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 error C2065: 'cout' : undeclared identifier

Well, not on the main call

but on the debug

string out(contents, length);
cout << out;

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko #include <iostream>

SaintWacko

Oh, wups

iostream was included in the main program

But not in my API header

Hey, look at that!

That seems to be working

So that << '\n' at the end is appending it?

murgatroid99

It's writing the string, then writing a \n

It's the magic of operator overloading

two bugs

19:39

Operator overloading is awesome.

murgatroid99

It's awesome until you overuse it and your program becomes completely incomprehensible

SaintWacko

Heh

Yuuki

Huh, new WoW xpac is going to be announced soon.

two bugs

With great power comes great responsibility.

SaintWacko

Okay, let's see if this works now

two bugs

19:40

@Yuuki Yeah, at Gamescom. They're apparently really going for yearly releases.

I'm not really thrilled about it. Yearly, in my experience, has worked out very poorly for video games.

SaintWacko

I'm trying to build a terminal entry by scraping the current time fromthe screen

Yuuki

@murgatroid99 Is there any difference between using '\n' and endl?

murgatroid99

@Yuuki The second one is probably more portable

Rapitor

@twobugs it works well for CoD, so now everyone must do it

SaintWacko

I'musing the API to write a script to automatically bring up a virtual machine type thing on the terminal emulator

two bugs

19:43

@Rapitor Apparently. Despite the fact that it completely killed CoD and AC for me.

Rapitor

for you, but not for the hundred thousands that still get it

two bugs

I think with an MMO like WoW, where each expansion has to be part of a bigger game, it's going to work VERY poorly. But we'll see.

Rapitor

MMOs should be expanded rapidly

i'd think a year is too long between expansions

two bugs

I disagree. You can easily deliver new content within an expansion for about 2 years. It's the model that has served WoW very well so far.

Rapitor

a constant stream of new content is what keeps MMOs alive

two bugs

19:45

I mean, yes you want new content. But you don't need a full blown expansion for new content.

Rapitor

true

two bugs

In sub-based MMOs, substantial content patches are commonplace.

Yuuki

If the xpac is just adding end-game raid content, as opposed to new races and classes (maybe professions), that's just terrihorribad.

two bugs

It's different for free to play games, or "content deliver systems" like Destiny

@Yuuki Personally, I'd like to see all of that, but I place new races and classes below almost everything else for WoW. There are already 11 classes, each with 3 (one with 4) specializations. They ought to balance those, first IMO.

badp

"C-strings" means no utf-8 ever right?

not with the stock C libraries

ASCII OUGHT TO BE ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE

two bugs

19:48

You'd never need non ASCII characters, just like you never need more than 8kb of memory.

murgatroid99

@badp I think here it means "null-terminated byte arrays"

badp

good luck doing anything meaningful with those byte arrays

Yuuki

@twobugs Well, what I meant was just adding end-game raid content would feel like a giant cop-out considering Blizzard did that somewhat regularly for previous xpacs without charging anybody for a "new" expansion.

murgatroid99

I mean we were discussing C strings as opposed to C++ strings

badp

C needs to deal with unicode, too.

murgatroid99

19:49

OK

badp

I suppose there's an entirely different set of APIs for unicode?

probably data types, too.

two bugs

@Yuuki Oh, I get you. Yeah. I think each expansion should add a good amount of content for everyone. A decent amount of leveling, 10-12ish dungeons, some factions to befriend, new stuff to craft, etc.

murgatroid99

You don't need a different data type to represent a sequence of UTF-8 bytes than to represent a sequence of ASCII bytes

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Does anybody know where you can buy this steam background?

I was sent this linkand I want to buy the background, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to find it on the market. IF anybody knows what game it's from or has a direct link that would be great

steam

two bugs

But you can do that stuff in content patches, too. I just dislike this yearly expansion route for reasons I already explained, and I'm concerned that with the 1-2 patch cycle now per expansion (instead of the previous 2-3) we're going to see more under-developed and under-utilized areas

We'll see how it shakes out I guess. I'm not enthusiastic about this direction. Maybe I'll go back to FF14 :P

Yuuki

19:52

Please do and transfer to Gilgamesh!

badp

Oh this is just what I like to read

two bugs

I might. My character is on Excalibur right now but almost all of my friends quit and I was only on Excalibur for them and the Something Awful FF14 community which ended up being not so great

badp

Top Google result for "C unicode":

> I couldn't find a straightforward set of C routines providing the minimal support needed for using UTF-8 as an internal encoding (although this functionality is often embedded in large UI toolkits and such). I decided to create a small library...

murgatroid99

Are you really surprised that a language from the 70's doesn't have native unicode support?

badp

@murgatroid99 I'm really surprised that this is 2015 and this is C and the top google result is not the canonical solution to the problem

murgatroid99

19:57

@badp The second result is, though

badp

The second-to-top result on SO advocates manually wrapping around the IBM ICU libraries, which I suppose is a little less WTFy.

murgatroid99

GNU libunistring

badp

Oh, let me guess: that's not the canonical library because GPL

although it also comes in LGPL.

Unionhawk

Seems likely

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