The Bridge

@BenBrocka So jealous. Well, definitely stopping by Best Buy then.

Frank

@BenBrocka Are you talking about the game and the Skull Kid set?

Or does it come with the N3DS as well?

Why is everyone so excited about the 3DS?

@badp I was called here by humans who wish to pay me tribute

Or actually I was reminded because of the mod election on UX

7:25 PM

@Sterno BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY

That's what I care about, at least.

@Yuuki Best buy had the limited edition game but sold out immediately. No word on console yet, but it seems it's gamestop only for 'merica

because Nintendo of America is Very Smart

@OrigamiRobot I'd charge you a huge mark up. I call it the WIpHandsome Discount.

@Sterno Because there's a new one. One so new it has new in the name so you know it's new!

That's pretty new

but more importantly it has a Best Zelda design on it

7:28 PM

So Ulbricht's defense in the Silk Road case is "I started the site, but I'm totally not DPR"? Heh.

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Majora's Mask 3D gameplay. Audio in Japanese.

@Yuuki do you still have to Z/L-target to reposition the camera in modern zelda games?

@Yuuki wait, who's the little King Zora dude? Is that in the original?

@badp Camera is adjustable with the C-stick in Majora's Mask 3D.

@BenBrocka They said they would be adding some new content.

So it's not just a visual upgrade.

@Yuuki it also is in Wind Waker, and I find the camera system in Wind Waker aggravating as fuck.

7:33 PM

visuals look better than expected too. Unless it's just clock town, I think they must have done more than OoT 3D?

It's best to not mess with the camera too much in Zelda. You just use the lock-on cam and hope the follow cam doesn't do anything too stupid

I'll be interested to see how it works in MM3D but like WW it will probably be serviceable at best

All those puzzle games coming out though.

Lots and lots of puzzle games.

djsmiley2k

dem puzzels.

Pokemon Shuffle looks pretty interesting for a F2P.

Wasn't that interested in those. Just Kirby, xenoblade and Zelda from this direct for me

@BenBrocka Kirby not so much for me.

Am excited for Xenoblade though.

7:38 PM

Canvas curse was amazing, love the style of this one too, they did great work with the clay look

Xenoblade looks great...other than the characters' eyes

Dunno what they're thinking, somehow even the weirdo models from Xenosaga 1 &2 look better

I mean, this thing....

OH GOD, INSTALLING VISUAL STUDIO 2015

A few days ago when I was playing Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, I had a scary first encounter with papal guards

Sequence 3, 7 health squares.

A look at the future of Wii console name:

> Wii
WiiU
WiiU2
New WiiU2
New WiiU2 Ultra
New WiiU2 Ultra & Knuckles

New Ultra Wii U 2 XL

Somehow wandered into the Vaticano district and cleared a few run-of-the-mill guards, then found myself dealing with papal guards as I pressed on

7:45 PM

I feel like they wouldn't be so bold as to add "Ultra".

It'll be "New WiiU2 New".

Or if they're feeling extra adventurous, "New WiiU2 Neo".

They might go back to their roots and call it the Super New WiiU2.

I wasn't very good with the new combat mechanics at the time (tighter enemy defense, kicking to bring enemy guard down) and was poorly equipped

Went through 3 medicines by the end of the fight

Super New WiiU 2 Advance

@StrixVaria New New WiiU 2 Ultra Turbo.

2 New Wii 4 U

7:48 PM

WiiU 2 Furious

It's one thing to fight papal guards later in the game around Sequence 6 with 12 or more health squares, good equipment, and Assassin Recruits to provide support

Fighting them in Sequence 3 with just 7 health squares and limited equipment is a completely different story

My first reaction was "Papal guards, you've got to be kidding!"

New WiiU 2 One.

BTW, I heard that some gamestops will let you preorder the Majora's Mask New 3DS "in store", but you have to pay in full up front and it will be shipped not picked up. You could probably call yours and ask

@BenBrocka Eurgh.

Especially when the Papal guards are equipped with guns that hit for 2.75 health squares

7:55 PM

@BenBrocka I've seen reports that they're even sold out in-store

Wouldn't be surprised, but I figure it's worth a shot and they're definitely sold out online

@BenBrocka Sounds shady.

I did say Gamestop, didn't I?

@BenBrocka You actually have to pay in cash, and it'll be shipped to the dark alley out back.

And you'll wake up in a tub of ice, buck naked, clutching the MM N3DS.

8:00 PM

Am I the only one who actively doesn't want to ever play Majora's Mask?

Literally any other Zelda game is more appealing.

Yes

Majora's Mask is the best

@StrixVaria Are we counting the CDI games? If so, you are a monster.

@Yuuki What are those?

@Yuuki No

CD-i games from The Legend of Zelda series

8:01 PM

Link: The Faces of Evil, Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon and Zelda's Adventure are three action-adventure games produced by Philips for the CD-i as part of Nintendo's The Legend of Zelda video game series. Not designed for Nintendo platforms, the games owe their existence to negotiations related to Nintendo's decision not to have Philips create a CD add-on to the Super NES. During these negotiations, Philips secured the rights to use Nintendo characters in CD-i third-party developer games. The Faces of Evil and The Wand of Gamelon were developed by Animation Magic and were both released in North America...

404

@Unionhawk no pls

@Yuuki is it me or the time goes faster in this version?

@StrixVaria Yep

The CDi games exist

8:02 PM

It used to be one minute per second.

I will confirm their existence

Now I'm just getting a flashing banner that says "Thought Crime"

@Unionhawk It's not in the avatars list, it doesn't exist.

@badp Hard to tell, the new bar is very different from what I'm used to

plus I always played with the song of inverted time

@OrigamiRobot They exist, I didn't say they were canon, or that they should have existed.

Or that they should be considered zelda games even

8:03 PM

I liked Majora's Mask more than Ocarina of Time.

No Nintendo involvement beyond licensing the IP, so it's arguable that they're not "really" Zelda games

oh nevermind

it was already "1 Termina hour = 45 seconds"

<puts on blindfold and grabs a cigarette>

They're at least as ignorable as Link's Crossbow Training

at least according to gamefaqs

8:04 PM

@Yuuki Majora's is better than Ocarina. it's just the time constraint really hindered a lot of peoples enjoyment

Actually, better example of what CD-i zelda is about

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Yes. Zelda's Adventure has a live action intro

FULL MOTION VIDEO

Yes, Zelda's Adventure is probably one of the worst games ever made

@Rapitor OoT had more major dungeons (but smaller), it's debatable but I prefer MM. Time constraint is a stickler but also very interesting

MM was disturbing

8:06 PM

If what I've heard of Phantom Hourglass is accurate it sounds like the worst "real" one. Zelda 2 is weird but it's not bad for what it is, it's just not normal zelda

I never had any issue with the time constraint.

@BenBrocka i didn't mind the less dungeons. as each dungeon was much bigger and more robust that it made up for it.

I enjoyed the darkness of Majora, one of my favorite aspects

basically the entire area was a dungeon, and not just the dungeon itself

@BenBrocka Phantom Hourglass is probably the winner of that title

Close second being Spirit Tracks

8:06 PM

OOT was just go here, now youre in the temple.

That game is so long

What's special about Phantom Hourglass?

@Rapitor I thought OoT was a good balance, but I'll definitely take MM's dungeons over link between world's dungeons even if there's more in LBW

@BenBrocka I am Error.

4:45:57.73 is the world record for Spirit Tracks.

Nearly 5 hours for a handheld zelda

8:07 PM

@Unionhawk That just means it hasn't been broken

yeah time varies a lot depending on what's skippable. Still, that's a decent time for 100% OoT

i just hope MM 3ds does something about the time constraint. maybe a "free" mode where you are allowed to do whatever... like fishing

but cant do dungeons or anything

@badp They hope to find one particular glitch, I forget the name, but I have a feeling that's going to be like barrier skip

WW speedruns are long just because the game isn't broken...well...more that there aren't major skips

the swift swim is pretty broken

8:08 PM

they just haven't found them.

@Rapitor Just play the song of time.

@BenBrocka Yeah, the game is pretty broken in its own right

WWHD is less broken, even, and is faster

@Rapitor skipping the barrier doesn't seem to be possible, and that means basically all of the game has to be done to get the triforce shards

For various reasons

@OrigamiRobot that either resets time (not good), slows down (decent, but still not neough to fuck around for hours), or speeds (why the hell)

8:09 PM

@Rapitor with a few exceptions, most minigames are playable on any of the days and resetting time doesn't affect them too much

@Rapitor Yeah, barrier skip is 100% not possible

@Rapitor All you lose is your bombs/arrows

the wedding quest is the only one with major time issues

@BenBrocka This

and it's sorta the point, it's the longest one

8:10 PM

Majora's Mask 100% has some interesting routing IIRC

And it was annoying because it was too long

Are you guys talking about speedruns?

Wind Waker has a lot of small skips (boss key skips, usually), but none like OoT does

@Tatermancer Majora's time constraints

@Unionhawk OoT 100% routing is nuts though

8:12 PM

@StrixVaria Finally, a kindred spirit!

you skip stuff only to come back for it later, tons of tricks not in any%/other categories

also apparently you can get eyeball frog from King Zora if you hold Z when he gives you...whatever he gives you

@BenBrocka Oh yeah

@BenBrocka Yeah, that's I think a 1.0/1.1 N64 exclusive glitch

GnomeSlice

TomSkaaaaaaa

8:13 PM

@BenBrocka I thought the Romani ones had time issues as well.

I almost miss pointers, they cause so many hilarious glitches

@Powerlord well some you have to be on the right day, but once you know that it's a pretty simple matter. The wedding one spans all 3 days I think and is pretty elaborate

@Powerlord Romani isn't so bad.

Bottle adventure/Reverse bottle adventure have got to be the coolest glitches

It's just "do it before the 3rd day" or something.

Ghot was the best boss battle.

So much fun.

ghot was the snowhead yeah?

8:15 PM

Twinmold is cool too. Anything but the fish, really

the goat..

404

I noticed

not sure why

oh

there's an asterix in the link and chat removes it

odd

Upside down world map from Australia

huh it replaced asterix with %2 in the link

@Chippies if you rotate your head the americas are a duck.

Q: Could we/should we change our site to "Everyday Living"?

8:18 PM

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Given the (quite understandable) confusion over this site's scope, as well as due to convincing arguments by Gilles, and Jason's and Wipqozn's concerns with regard to low-quality answers by definition, I think we should consider switching this site's title to "Everyday Living." Idea taken from th...

discussion feature-request scope site-name

cc @Sterno

@Rapitor it's even colored like a duck

SPeaking of OoT, did anyone catch the glitch exhibition at AGDQ? Cool stuff

Holy crap it's @BenBrocka

I had never seen that beta room before

@BenBrocka nope :(

8:19 PM

Did you come abck because you love us?

@Rapitor Africa is a dinosaur

@BenBrocka The butt chest has to be my favorite glitch that zfg shows off

@Wipqozn this would address my main concern with the site, which is putting reasonable-looking question titles for Google to index and attaching to those the most ridicolous answers

if you wanna get more imaginative. the duck is rocket powered and the rest of the countries/continents are the thrust

cept greenland

@Rapitor that doesn't seem very aerodynamic

8:21 PM

the whole gimmick about the answer having to be a life hack is quite bad.

@Chippies it's a rocket powered duck.

@Rapitor but how does it not spin out?

@badp Ocarina of Time glitch exhibition

@Chippies Magic

there's clearly more mass on the front

@Unionhawk well, that would probably do it

8:22 PM

why are you questioning a rocket powered duck.

@Unionhawk picking up the dude in the target practice shop is pretty great too

@Rapitor because questioning things makes you appear smarter

@BenBrocka that one is terrifying

@BenBrocka T_T

Double (/40?) Jabu is also pretty fantastic

8:23 PM

yeah, I want to see that one myself to mess around. Crashes a ton though

Yeah

It probably is as they theorized, an area to see how many actors the console can load before things freak out

@StrixVaria IF you ever look back at your life, and think "When did I stop being a super rad dude?". Just look back at this comment, and you'll know.

Yeah. Cool it can be accessed with a wrong warp. Shame most WWs are useless, it'd be neat if they all at least went somewhere

8:25 PM

I mean, you're literally just adding a number to the "where should we put you" pointer. There's only so much you can do with that

yeah, still a shame to only see a couple used. I can only think of Gohma -> ganon, Gohma -> Bongo Bongo and...where does Dodongo's Cavern go to?

MadMAxJr

Still bears on the star list...

You can make Dodongo go to end credits I think, but it's used to go... Gerudo Training Grounds!

I'm trying so hard to find that MST run but they changed the definition to MST to be no RBA

I think I found it

btw if you find a way to speedrun Steam and clip through the paywall barrier I'm interested

:P

STEAM SPEEDRUN - "ACCOUNT LEVEL 10"%

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> So the real story of this game is you have to slay the dinosaur with your big hammer

The whole run uses RBA to get most of the medallions by manipulating stuff

Q: Can I play Skylanders: Trap Team on the Wii-U with two Pro controllers?

8:33 PM

I thought no RBA was slightly different. There's like a ton of categories now

Lazers

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I would like to play Skylanders: Trap Team on the WiiU with two pro controllers, but no matter what I do the game seems to insist that the game be played with one player on the gamepad and the other player on a controller. Is there a way to disable the Gamepad so that I can use two Pro controlle...

wii-u skylanders

Jason Berkan

Are the glitches specific to the Japanese version?

I like the weird ones Moltov does because there's a lot of tricks any% and even 100% doesn't do. And they're not insanely long like 100%

Apparently I missed that there are now downloadable Wii games on the WiiU shop.

@JasonBerkan some are, yes

I think english MM actually has some glitches unique to it, too

8:34 PM

Metroid Prime Trilogy being one of the ones due out before the end of the month.

@Powerlord announced today

If prime is really $10 for the launch I'm getting it so hard. I still want a physical copy though

I'm sad that I still can't play my disc version of SMG2 without launching the shitty Wii software emulator.

@BenBrocka I wonder if my cousin still has his... I don't think he ever played it.

(You can't have my physical copy)

@BenBrocka MST is also known as No Major Skips. You have to get them all legitimately. Oh, wait, he did glitched all medallions

I could swear he uses a Gohma->Bongo WW in one of those weird categories, I thought it was MST

8:36 PM

@Wipqozn That seems to pretty much admit that a "Lifehacks" site doesn't work.

We have a lifehacks site?

Arperum

@BenBrocka They even wanted @Sterno for mod.

@BenBrocka MST is usually no wrong warps. Technically

It's weird

OoT categories are messed up

@BenBrocka No, it's imaginary and will soon fade from memory.

@Sterno Yeah, it does. I'm trying to decide if that change in scope would be drastic anything to warrant just making a new Area 51 proposal.

8:38 PM

pokes comma key

I feel like making a new Area 51 Proposal for that would make sense, rather then rescoping Lifehacks.

Then what the heck is the bongo WW for, I know I've seen it

Apparently my comma key was sticking.

Did people ever do more puzzle races? Those were pretty cool

I remember one where someone was trying to beat Volvagia with an insanely low heat timer and did it after like 20 minutes of failure

It just dawned on me that doing forward blackflips with a shield on your back must be a terrible idea

8:39 PM

"forward blackflips" head explodes

I'm pretty sure this makes the Lifehacks site a site that isn't about lifehacks anymore. Wouldn't it be better to just propose a new site on Area 51 for this idea rather than essentially get rid of Lifehacks and put this in its place? — Sterno 1 min ago

@BenBrocka Yeah, that was the ZSR marathon

I don't see Deku->Bongo in any current routing

They use Deku->Ganon for both any% and to get chus for other categories

@Sterno Upvoted for great justice

Arperum

@Sterno That would also just be cheating the system of Area51.

Q: do angler quest's start over when he dies?

Huh. I know it was Moltov doing it. Not sure why. Some very specific hopping around and crap and you end up in the room you drop to bongo from

Lazers

8:41 PM

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So i want the golden fishing rod,and wiki says i need to complete 50 quests.my queation is does your progress end when the angler dies? Or does it just carry on with the amount of quests you completed with the previous angler?

terraria

@Sterno That or just do the first part and skip the rest.

Like I said, it's not in any of the current routes on zsr

It might be an old route or something

Also, MST is different from MST no WW

MBraedley

(sigh) I used to feel so at home in the code for this one application, but I now see that it's designed incredibly poorly, and life would be so much better if there were just 2 abstract classes that most everything else derived from. And I shouldn't have to do string searches, I should just have a specialized key-value pair config class. It's a mess (and I, admittedly, helped make it).

Or at least never cleaned it up.

That glitched all medalions run is just full of wat

Half of the positively-voted lifehacks mod nominees have declined nomination because they don't believe in the site. One who hasn't declined is actively trying to get it changed to no longer be about lifehacks. DOOMED

8:49 PM

I'm not such a big fan of speedruns.

Also, did Nintendo mention what changes they were making to Majora's Mask? Kinda like the sail they added to Wind Waker?

Revamped Bomber's Notebook, apparently "feather statues" that are a more permanent save or something

I assume some sort of new save system will be the "swift sail" of MM, can't think of many other major things to tweak

spugsley

someone tell me what the fuck I'm supposed to do with my life, please

@BenBrocka i dont really understand what more statues will do. unless its a feather "item" that allows you to save anywhere outside of a dungeon.

@spugsley play vidya games and eat cake

@spugsley Be @spugsley?

@Rapitor It sounds like they'll be statues that let you save your point in time and turn the game off and maybe they don't get deleted like owl statues. It was on some retailers site, I'm not sure we know the info from Nintendo directly yet

spugsley

8:54 PM

@TimStone a good plan. At least I can actually do that

@BenBrocka what's a less brainsplodey way of saying that?

...just "flip"?

@spugsley That and all those other things you do that we're all "OMG @spugsley is internet famous we should totally get her signature so we can sell it on eBay at a later date to make a lot of money" ...err, ignore that last bit

@TimStone Yeah, @spugsley is a pretty rad writer. She's a fantastic photographer too.

So AJAX request is returning with status code 200 and proceeding to the error function.

wut.

Her photos pop on my FAcebook feed every so often and I'm always impressed.

spugsley

8:58 PM

@Wipqozn and those are fun things but a) internet writing sucks butts and b) photography is fun and I want it to be a hobby not a make money thing so much