Yeah, it's a problem for games requiring 6v6 as a bare minimum

we could use the promotion of it being semi-official (like the blog)

so we'd need like 20-25 people committed to playing on the server as much as possible

or well, as much as they want to

kinda like Area 51

@JuanManuel Community Ads

I have like a couple of servers that are almost always full of great players, so I'm glad to play there and learn from 'em

I play almost every night (GMT-3) on a MIT server that is exclusively payload, I could switch to a Gaming.SE server with no problem

but I'm not by any means a "great player"

If I were to setup a gaming.se server - what game would be most popular to play? TF2?

I'm going to go ask a question

I think so... it being free to play and all

(and awesome)

@GnomeSlice Your Meta Stack Overflow question on Soundcloud got reopened.

Wow, that was a lot easier than I remember. Steam installed \o/

Oh psh, I own Portal, Portal 2, all the HL/HL2 games, and a lot of source games :)

Thanks for the tip though :D

oh, you installed it on the server! Sorry I misunderstood

Naw, I was talking about steam on this computer. I haven't played a lot of games since I ditched my last windows box

I'm going to setup a server too - though I won't be able to play much until after work

off to lunch

Did you like my present?

What happened?

Oh. Right, happy birthday stuff.

Happy Birthday @ThomasMcDonald!

@MarcoCeppi I hate to say it, I likely wouldn't play on a Gaming.SE server. I already run two TF2 servers: blu.ocrtf2.com and red.ocrtf2.com

Happy Bday.

Id play on it

@Powerlord I figured, I think a lot of people have happy server homes. Those are typically already full of players, etc. I'll give it a go for a month see what happens

@MarcoCeppi It's not even that I have a happy server home, I mean I run it. As in, lead admin on it.

@MarcoCeppi You should let people 'rent' it out for like 3 hour periods for different events

's because it'd be free.

That could work. I'm not sure how rates go, but not a bad idea

Oh, for free? How would that work?

Which reminds me, I need to restart RED as a normal server, no one has been playing Prop Hunt on it since like a week ago.

kicks State Fix your DNS servers.

You like apply for a slot and as long as it's not busy you can get the password to the server, and it changes afterwards.

But why would it be free?

Why not just have a free open server?

What would be on this server?

You 'rent' it so you can put certain games/plugins on it.

The only purpose of applying is to stop people trying to change it while others are still on.

Oh, I was just going to run TF2 and make you all play that

That would definitely take less effort.

Maybe switch it around every month if that's of any community interest. Or run multiple games types on the server

makes a note to start advertising his TF2 servers in his profile

Oh lord, it's not just DNS running slow here, connections to all outside servers are being slow.

We might as well advertise Powerlord's servers then

They're already active, I mean.

I was hoping yesterday's TF2 update would include a client fix for the lag some clients have been getting lately (jonl (Jon Lippincott) said they were working on it)

Too bad it didn't.

> No Steam Content Servers available, please try again later

ಠ_ಠ

@MarcoCeppi While installing srcds?

It did it this time.

Well, there goes my Saturday.

@ArdaXi Eh?

@Powerlord I have so much to do. I was supposed to have a day off.

@MarcoCeppi: If you are installing a TF2 server, what addons are you installing?

@Powerlord None so far. I haven't looked into any

Now I have to go measure up my sizes to order a suit, arrange contacts, figure out stuff for school. -.-

You might want something to enforce maxclasses but it only matters if there's enough people

also if you want to pick up random people there's the signing up process to the matchmaking system

I dunno if it's a good idea or not

Well I'd rather there be players in the server than not. So I guess I'll just run a vanilla server and field suggestions from you guys.

Grow out from there

My primary server appears in the Valve matchmaking system. This is incredibly obvious right after major patches.

Mainly because nemrun auto-updates and auto-restarts it for me. :)

Or?

@Powerlord OCR associated servers, eh?

@GraceNote Yes, I run the OCReMix TF2 servers.

Neat

I definitely didn't steal control over them through political maneuvering!

@ThomasMcDonald Did you take the server down?

> In the US, you now have that encouragement to disclose your new invention immediately, to prevent anyone else from filing a patent application on it. You still have one year to file your patent application. HOWEVER, there's no one-year grace period in Europe under the EPO rules: as soon as you disclose your new invention, that disclosure is prior art to any patent application of yours, even if you file the following week.

I see a problem here.

Okay, lets see if this works

That did not work very well.

@MarcoCeppi What didn't?

Launching TF2 on my linux desktop

Did the server not launch at all, or did it just launch partway and stop?

The server's running

the game didn't launch

It's likely waiting for a map command

I've noticed that if you don't specify +map <mapnamehere> on the command line on startup, it just sits there and doesn't finish startup.

I'm leaving shortly but can I have the IP to add to my fav lists?

I still need to get Valve to tell me where to run the randommap command, since +randommap doesn't work and putting it in autoexec.cfg just makes it reload the same map.

No, the server started just fine, I can't get the game on my desktop to launch

@badp the server will be at: tf2.bringvictory.com

@MarcoCeppi Oh. Weird.

@MarcoCeppi Added

Yeah, it might be because of dual monitors though

Yeah, in the server list 'Connect' greys out

Maybe WINE isn't cooperating?

probably

and right clicking only gives an option to add more fav servers

@badp I just started it up a few moments a go, there are probably a few failed settings somewhere

97 latency is nice. I'm used to 160

Let's use the console!

um, it seems to work?

@badp In all fairness, don't you usually connect to US servers from Europe?

Well, someone connected

@Powerlord Yeah

@MarcoCeppi It's me.

@badp Guess so, that's good news

Let me try steam again on my desktop

Oh wait, is Marco's server in North America or not?

It's right outside DC in US

Hmm, I wonder if Valve introduced the Vote Panel to CS:S in yesterday's update.

Yeah, TF2 isn't like my work PC. I'll have to try it when I get home.

I'll disconnect then

It's the witches doing it, I tell you.

It looks like a nice start though.

Stupid dutches, eating stupid early

I'm not hungry and I gotta have dinner.

later

@Powerlord what mods do you have on your servers for easy administration? Mani MOD?

@MarcoCeppi SourceMod

I also have a number of SourceMod plugins and extensions installed. Some for administration, some not.

I honestly don't want to babysit the server as an admin - I have 0 desire. So I'd probably turn over admincountability to the gaming mods and a few other people

Woah, are you guys setting up a TF2 server?

@Mana Marco is. I already have two, which you're free to join!

I know, but would it be a TF2 server for the Gaming.SE site?

SO. COOL.

stabs Mana

It's an idea for now

I hope it takes off

@Powerlord what are the addresses? what kind of servers are they? Why two?

@Mana That's what I plan on. Gaming.SE as-official-as-it-gets TF2 server

blu.ocrtf2.com and red.ocrtf2.com. BLU has random crits, random damage, and CTF crits. RED doesn't.

@Mana Is there anything you do not find cool?

RED also double as an events server. It was running Prop Hunt for the past two weeks.

@ArdaXi Lava

@ArdaXi Gnomeslice.

@GraceNote I wear lava now. Lava is cool.

BOOM! VOLCANOOO

@MarcoCeppi You need to get @GraceNote to play TF2

She hates Steam, though, so... good luck!

Challenge Accepted

@GraceNote You should play TF2

@MarcoCeppi I need a convincing offer.

Scary thought: My TF2 account has 20 inventory pages instead of the usual 6.

@GraceNote If you haven't played portal, it's now free :)

that's exactly how they hooked me

in the past

@JuanManuel I watched my brother play through the whole game.

eyes his list of giftable games

@GraceNote you should totally try to beat his time

@grace aww that's horrible :(

@JuanManuel Nah, I just coach him.

@GraceNote We have cookies

I watched someone play thorough "the dig" several years ago... it was like watching a movie

It's a fact that no matter how much dawdling I do, I always beat my brother in gameplay time anyway.

If I really wanted to, I could give every TF2 player here a free cosmetic item and still not empty page 8 of my inventory.

(And I'll also get better endings, too, even if the endings aren't time-dependent)

@MarcoCeppi You can't beat dream cookies because I starred in a commercial for what were literally the most delicious chocolate chip cookies on the planet.

at any rate tf2 is as close we have to stab over ip

@badp Someone commented yesterday about how good a Spy I was. I lolled because I thought I was doing quite badly at the time.

You're just being humble. ♪

Want to get stones off your shoes? Just pick your weapon.

Well, at the time I was doing badly. On a different map, even though my team was sucking, I was doing quite well.

If I hadn't already had the Uncloak and Dagger achievement, I would have gotten it. I think that's the name of the achievement to use the Cloak & Dagger to kill the same person 3 times in a single life in the same part of the same map.

tough

Twice over, as the same two Snipers kept trying the same technique. :D

<3 Your Eternal Reward's silent stab. :D

I haven't gotten achievements in a long time :(

I used to get like 5 per session when I started

I just recently got the 1,000,000 fire damage achievement.

That one took me a very long time.

I find it ridicolous that tartan spartan is 4th in the ach list in steam for me

Oh, and since I changed computers, I'm going to have problems getting the 1000 views replay achievement, because those videos don't show up on my current computer.

And you have to go into the video details in TF2 to get those. Whoops.

I filed a bug report in game about that, but Valve never responded

@powerlord grats- now you're officially w+m1

@badp I got it while playing Prop Hunt no less. :D

Which amuses me, since you have to be careful how much you flame and I tend to use the Flare Gun to get kills in that mode.

I'm surprised Valve limits free TF2 accounts to 50 items. There are more than 50 unique weapons in the game. :/

Are cookies the best you have to offer, @Marco, or are you finding the prospect of offers tedious and pointless to bother?

@Powerlord well, the do want you to upgrade

I know what @badp wants. eyes Prarie Heel Biters

@GraceNote You don't consider having fun with us to be its own reward? :O

@Powerlord I don't consider playing TF2 to be its own reward, no.

@MarcoCeppi: So, what are you going to do about Gaming mods who don't play TF2? Like, say, @Mana.

Or at least I don't think Mana plays TF2.

@Powerlord I'm at 81 right now

@GraceNote Play scout and go face to face with heavies. Curtain fire in 3D.

@GraceNote I'm on phone meetings actually. I will find a way to entice you.

Limiting it to 100 would still be annoying, but at least then you'd still have most of them. 50 is less than 6 weapons per class.

@Powerlord They don't have to play :)

@Powerlord That's why I wrote that blog post

@badp I have a lot of options if I want 3D curtain fire

That reminds me, I need to switch my admins/reserved slots over to a SQL-based system so I don't have to constantly updated admins.cfg.

How many of them involve hats?

A whole lot of them.

When did TF2 turn into a hat simulator, what year?

@badp: Hey, if Grace wants to be anti-fun, let him.

@GraceNote Officially? 2010.

Shortly before I stared playing

Really? That recent? I thought it was earlier.

Valve's official mention of it being a hat simulator was during the Mac update.

Hats were introduced when, then?

Sniper vs. Spy update in May 2009, iirc.

Ah. Also later than I thought. I see, I see.

Started out with 9 hats (one per class), then added 9 more, then 21 more, then...

At a time, I had all the Spy hats.

Not any more. There are too many now.

Wow

Well, when idling worked, I managed to find 3 Spy hats in one week. Of the four that existed at the time.

That certainly puts you a step ahead of the game.

Valve killed idling for items/hats way back in late 2009, though.

I clocked almost a month solid in TF2 in September 2009, iirc, before they did that. :D

I believe there was a NerfNow strip on the subject, using the "The only winning move is not to play" reference.

Answer sorting is supposed to be accepted first, followed by all the others descending by votes right?

@CruelCow Only if you're on the Votes tab.

Oh, and non-accepted answers with the same number of votes are randomly sorted. And self-accepted answers are not at the top.

Ah, the self-accepted bit answered it.

Weird logic though IMHO

So, should I continue writing this server plugin or start over from scratch based on a similar plugin and hope I separate the layers correctly this time?

I've totally forgotten what I need to move where to fix this. :/

Ahhh, the age old dilemma of refactor vs. rewrite

Well, technically this has never actually been completed.

The problem is that I'm halfway through a refactor and don't remember what needs to be fixed yet. Whoops.

This SourceMod extension is based off of some SourceMod core code, specifically the menu and voting system.

As long as the interface between the extension system and plugin system remains the same, it shouldn't matter which route I actually take.