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7:08 PM
Oooh the suspension bridge now eh
@Powerlord wtf? you in MI?
heh thats where I grew up and lived until I joined the AF 8 years ago
 
@Loktar I'm across the street from the Capitol building in downtown Lansing right now.
 
nice
yeah my wife is from Ionia
I grew up in northern MI mostly
used to go to the mall in Lansing when I lived in Ionia with her
 
Yo people
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A: What is the Freeciv setting to automatically raze or not when capturing a city?

RobertYou will just need to build enough settlers after capturing it -- may be very expensive or time consuming... Or let all population starve: produce no food any more and only money - at last buying the last settler.

There's been some grumbling about this post, suggesting it's not an answer to the question
However, I don't know jack shit about the game
I need your input!
 
Same boat.
 
That's not an answer to it at all
 
7:20 PM
@FallenAngelEyes Is it then a comment to the question, a comment to the answer, or just noise that should be deleted?
 
It's basically a wrong answer
 
Wrong answers are still answers.
The flag would be invalid and the correct action would be a downvote, if it was a wrong answer.
 
I wouldn't think it deserves a flag, it's just incorrect
 
I see. Other opinions?
I can't ping those who flagged, obviously, but you know who you are
 
@badp @MargaretCho and @LessPopMoreCaffeinatedBeverages ?
 
7:24 PM
The answer by Macha is the one that should have been accepted
 
Obviously the post has no owner, so no answer can be accepted
(no, even in this case we can't manipulate checkmarks)
I upvoted it tho.
 
yeah, I saw, just saying
 
theregister.co.uk/2011/08/23/samsung_battles_apple_with_kubrick <-- I wonder how this will fare in court.
Note to self: Double-check the link before posting.
 
7:49 PM
Gotta love the name of the various Dilbert book collections.
I just saw one on Amazon named "Your Accomplishments Are Suspiciously Hard to Verify"
 
AGH no! Multi-stage boss, crap!
 
REPORT: Bethesda now suing East Coast Earthquake for use of the word "Quake."
 
@StrixVaria I loled
 
@FallenAngelEyes Hm?
 
Boss in the last stage of Jamestown
 
7:54 PM
@FallenAngelEyes What kind of game is Jamestown?
 
shmup
with a hilariously ridiculous story
 
@FallenAngelEyes no need for name calling :)
 
I quite like it so far
>>
 
@FallenAngelEyes Make sure you use your scan visor on each section of the boss during each part of the fight.
Oh wait, that's for Metroid Prime games.
 
@Powerlord hush you
 
7:56 PM
Hey, I had to scan 7 times during the last two boss battles in Metroid Prime 2.
 
Which is a 5 part boss battle, I might add.
 
it was on sale yesterday, 50% off
 
Well, technically a 3-part boss battle followed by a 2-part timed boss battle.
 
@FallenAngelEyes This page has been blocked in accordance with the ****** Industries Internet Security Policy.
Hulu and Youtube, though, remain inexplicably unblocked
 
7:58 PM
@sjohnston Steam tends to be blocked.
 
@Powerlord Yeah, I knew it would be, but I clicked anyway. That guy in IT who keeps tabs on me is going to put another red mark on my file.
 
eep sorry D:
 
not serious
 
oh
anyway, here you go:
 
My company is far too technically incompetent to be properly Orwellian.
We are the small software division in what is otherwise a mass of 25000 factory workers.
 
8:03 PM
Ah, right, Jamestown
Saw an ad for it a while ago
 
Does look fun.
There are a few recent releases I'm interested in, but I've been holding off starting something knowing that Deus Ex is coming.
 
@Powerlord what happened to your gravatar?
oh, you removed your email address.
 
@badp Due to its constant misuse by StackExchange, I removed my email address from my profiles network wide, as well as my name and other personal information (like employer).
Sadly, this means I also blew away my Gaming-specific profile, which documented which game systems I have.
 
Still, that pale blue gravatar sucks
At any rate no email was sent to you from Gaming since April 30th. shrugs
 
Hey, that's not Raven. This is weird.
 
8:08 PM
Powerlord is so hard to see in chat now
 
Turns out Powerlord has been Raven's sockpuppet all along
 
How can I know it's Powerlord if it's not a flaming spy speaking?
 
@FallenAngelEyes .
 
ugh
I'm so
 
I'm not sure why I get a pale blue icon on chat. SO has a dark purple icon for me.
 
8:09 PM
booooored.
 
@Powerlord It's probably based on your user number, cookie id or whatever.
 
@Manaಠдಠ Internet access + Kongregate = great
 
It's based on IP if your email isn't filled out
 
actually @Powerlord why don't you make a 10 minute email address, just for the time required to sign up with gravatar and get us back the uber spy?
 
You apparently have a different IP noted for Stack Overflow versus Gaming
Probably because you can visit Stack Overflow at work, but not Gaming.
 
8:10 PM
@badp That sounds suspiciously like work.
Besides, I have an entire domain of my own. Multiple domains if you count ocrtf2.com as well.
 
@Powerlord Telling your gravatar from the background looks suspiciously like liquid pain
 
I can create as many email addresses as I like.
I should create a separate one for every StackExchange site!
 
@Powerlord a ten minute email address would be obviously invalid to anyone sending you manually sending you email addresses...
say you become naughty. :P
meh at any rate
 
@badp And a separate one for each site allows me to track down exactly who did it so I can bitch about it on Meta. ;D
 
So, less than 24 hours left in the election.
 
8:12 PM
@Powerlord didn't your previous email address let you use a '+' to differentiate email addresses like Grace does?
 
@ArdaXi I think Grandpa Joe is going to win.
@badp I use GMail. Not sure how GMail's + support works.
 
It works just fine
 
I have Google Apps set up on my own domain, although the only address on there just forwards to my normal address.
 
for example the blue face thing is badpazzword+diamond@gmail.com
 
@Powerlord I have catch-all.
Also Google Apps.
 
8:14 PM
@ArdaXi I could do that, but I'm... well, maybe I should.
 
So I receive <anything>@arienh4.net and <anything>@ardaxi.com both.
It's really easy to set up.
 
@Powerlord I used GMail, too
 
How the !@#$ is it 2011 and Windows is still telling me this file's name is too long for the recycle bin?
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Obviously you need to invest in a taller bin.
 
I guess the recycle bin still runs under DOS.
 
8:17 PM
If you have a Google Apps domain it should work as well, salt or otherwise.
 
@ArdaXi What section is that on again?
 
@ArdaXi Oh, derp, I was looking in the main domain settings, not email.
 
8:29 PM
Well, that test went much better than expected. #earthquake
 
@badp I'm rather disgusted with myself, but I have corrected my mistake.
 
@Wipqozn Thank you. Let me remove that comment.
 
Urgh, why is Gravatar so slow at sending email?
 
You sure you can receive email at all?
I don't remember Gravatar taking paticularly long
 
@badp When you sign up for a lot of addresses, it takes a while
 
8:35 PM
@GraceNote I see.
 
It took 2 hours to complete all 60 sites for the initial session of mine. Just getting a new address for Christianity took 6 minutes here.
 
No, I just tried linking a new address to my current account, and the confirmation email is being slow.
brb
 
I have moderator@ardaxi.com set up in advance. Hey, terrible wishful thinking!
 
Ugh, I was asked to cover phones because all the people who normally do phones are gone. :/
This is the problem with being the low man on the totem pole for my group. You get to do gruntwork sometimes. Although this is the first time in 3 years that I've been asked to cover phones.
Hmm, it hasn't updated my avatar here yet.
 
@Powerlord I forced it to refresh.
er... try and talk again perhaps?
 
8:50 PM
@badp Sure, whatever.
 
okay, finally refreshing gets us back the ubered spy.
Hooray!
Thank you @Powerlord
 
I actually forced it to recopy my profile to all StackExchange sites just after my "Hmm, ..." message.
 
also, the NFS:World password recovery form fails spectacularly
 
"aafter" meaning "man this keyboard and mouse suck"
and it feel weird remoting into my desktop one hallway down from the reception desk.
 
I kind of fear it's the same system Origin uses
---------------------------
Error
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There has been an undefined error, please try again later. If the problem persists please contact Customer Support.
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------
weeeeeeee
 
8:53 PM
In 8 minutes I can transfer phones to voicemail, then go back to my desktop again.
Also, my IM window (Novell Groupwise Messenger, for work) didn't show up until I hit ctrl+space M to move it because it was confused as to which monitor it should appear on.
The computer I'm sitting at only has one monitor, while my desktop has 2.
 
Hah! I just never refreshed my cache! Powerlord's been a Spy Aflame since I logged in!
 
No, Google. I would like to search with google.com
 
OK, back to my real computer
 
Do I need to get a passport and hit New York to use google.com?
(there is a learn more link; it leads to google.com/support/chrome/bin/…)
 
@badp was unaware google used python
 
9:06 PM
@Wipqozn Google uses Python extensively apparently
 
Can't say I blame them, rather nice language.
 
I was introduced to it by a friend during a course that taught network programming
...using C
 
Google uses Python and Ja... er... Dalvik, yeah, that's it.
and some C/C++.
 
after trying to make something sane out of the incredibly retarded networking API that C uses, and failing for no discernible reason, I looked at Python and feel instantly in love.
Google uses a lot of stuff.
 
@badp You mean the BSD TCP/IP stack from the early 1980s?
 
9:08 PM
@Powerlord I mean copy pasting 80 lines of boilerplate code just to open a socket
 
It's scary to think that the C sockets library is older than C++ is
and, iirc, it's the same library (except with security fixes)
Not surprisingly, everyone else (Perl included) does it better. :D
I got so tied up with that I forgot to my .
er... I got so tied up with work that I forgot to work on my TF2 voting thing.
 
...as opposed to import socket; the_fucking_socket = socket.socket(); the_fucking_socket.bind(("127.0.0.1", 80)); the_fucking_socket.listen(1); the_fucking_socket.accept();
 
@Powerlord Doing work at work? How unheard of.
 
@Wipqozn I know, scary thought right?
 
@badp I wish Google gave me that option.
 
9:20 PM
@ArdaXi What do you do for Google anyways?
 
@Wipqozn Err?
 
@Wipqozn Magic?
 
@ArdaXi If you don't mind my asking of course.
I thought you worked for a grocery store, but you always talk about working for google.
 
@Wipqozn I don't understand the question.
I've never talked about working for Google.
 
@Wipqozn I don't recall Arda ever saying that
 
9:22 PM
Not directly, but I've inferred it from the things he said.
 
How come I still can't leave comments on any question not asked by myself?
 
You inferred wrongly.
 
@JohnGore What's your reputation?
 
@JohnGore You need more reputation.
 
@JohnGore You need 50 rep for that. You have 48.
 
9:23 PM
And which question are you trying to comment on?
 
Woooo beat the game
 
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Q: Alternative to Bukkit's world-edit?

DezaI play on a minecraft server. The admin likes a plugin that uses /sp. I aksed him to install world edit, so he did. He then uninstalled it when he realised that it overwrote /sp. So I'm looking for a good alternative to world-edit.

This one, @Grace.
No worries.
 
Ahha
Well, y'simply have insufficient reputation, is all. Nothing a good post can't fix, heh.
 
You need 2 more reputation
 
x_x
 
9:29 PM
@JohnGore There.
 
Now you can comment!
 
Thanks, @Wipqozn =]
 
(It was Wipqonz, I had already upvoted both your questions) :P
 
I don't need rep to create tags though?
:S
 
you should.
unless they changed it.
 
9:32 PM
I must have created yesterday, because there's only my question tagged with it.
 
@JohnGore you need 300
 
@Wipqozn added it.
 
Oh wait. @Wipqozn added the tag.
 
Indeed I did. I like adding and removing tags.
 
Destroying?
 
9:33 PM
Mhm.
 
@JohnGore Removing a tag from every question deletes it.
 
@ArdaXi Why would you want to do that?
 
@JohnGore If it's not used enough.
 
@JohnGore If it's a bad tag in the first place.
 
In response to your deleted message, sometimes a tag seems like a good idea, but later on it turns our it isn't useful. On the same note, you only need 300 reputation to make a tag anyways, which isn't much at all.
Plus the community opinion changes as well.
Genre tags are a prime example. Before it was acceptable to tag a game with its genre tag. For example, tagging Starcraft II questions as . The opinion now is this is not a proper use of the tag.
doesn't add anything to the question unless it's about the genre itself, or a general concept amongst all of them.
 
9:38 PM
It's also impossible to maintain reasonable due to both the issue of cross platforms, hybrid genres, and even the malleability of "genre" in its own right.
 
You really only need the game tag, don't you? Unless your question is platform-specific.
 
Well that's the minimum. If you can find use for tags like etc. all the better!
 
To be honest, I'm kind of curious as to what Jeff's tagging vision for the site is.
 
seems kind of vague.
 
@JohnGore I don't like it, man. I was all against it in a meta-thread a while ago.
 
9:44 PM
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Q: What is the current state of playability in Overgrowth?

Bruce ConnorOvergrowth is currently in alpha stage, but people who pre-order are allowed to play the test versions. I liked Lugaru (its spiritual predecessor), and I've been watching their weekly videos and trying to decide whether to buy Overgrowth or not. Over the weeks, I'm slowly moving towards the Yes, ...

close imho
 
@JohnGore I must concur.
 
@NickT Agreed.
 
Mainly because once we figure what games are actually old...do we have to tag everything on the site as once enough time passes? It just doesn't really add any value and it's a nuisance.
 
@NickT I don't think it's that bad.
 
is a tag I dislike.
 
9:46 PM
@JohnGore The issue is it is too localized.
In a month from now any answer will be useless.
 
@Wipqozn So are Identify this Game questions.
 
Something like that will constantly change and (which is sometimes OK, but it) doesn't solve an actual problem
 
@JohnGore Okay, you're my favorite new member of the site.
 
@JohnGore Good luck getting rid of those.
 
@Powerlord I like them...
 
9:47 PM
I don't
and my word is gospel
 
@JohnGore @JeffAtwood hates them and crusades to get rid of them every so often.
 
ITG are a controversial topic. I would say the majority of the community agrees they are a problem, but not only are those people divided on how they should be dealt with, but there are still a sizable amount of members who have no problem with them.
 
@Powerlord Well, he just announced one time that he would do that and nothing happened, so I think we have to decide that one on our own. (And BTW the @ likely does not work for Jeff, as he hasn't been in this chat room for a while).
 
Oak
@Wipqozn that's a bold statement. How do you know it's really a majority of users?
 
Uh oh, Lenovo just released a new tablet. Cue incoming lawsuit from Apple because it's rectangular.
 
9:51 PM
@Oak Looking at a sample of the users it's very clear the majority is against them.
 
@Oak I'm a bold guy. However I'm basing this on the observation that I hear far, far more users against them then those in favour of them.
 
Can't know for sure without holding a referendum I suppose.
@NickT Burninated.
 
I think we should just ban every question, that way there is no need to have an argument over ITG.
 
Q&A is hard, let's go shopping closing!
 
@Wipqozn I have a better idea, we should ban Wipqozn. Problem solved!
 
9:53 PM
sleepy...
 
@Powerlord oh no, the people are rising up against me.
@Manaಠдಠ Then go to bed...?
 
I just took a two-hour nap, man.
 
@Manaಠдಠ THen take a 4-hour one?
Drink some warm milk.
 
@Manaಠдಠ Are you trying to make me jealous?
I still haven't left work! >:/
 
@Powerlord Sorry.
 
9:54 PM
Speaking of which, I should do that.
 
so why should ITG be banned
or why not
 
Damn @Mana, how can you be so heartless?
 
random arguments, go
 
Oak
@Arda @Wip you guys might indeed be right, and you might not be right. I have a feeling your "sample" is mostly a few of the users who participate in meta and in chat. Not all users do that... though of course, many of those that don't participate in meta/chat don't really care :) I'm just saying, using words like "majority" is not really fair when you don't really know. Use "many" or "some".
 
I agree with Oak here about the majority thing...
 
9:56 PM
@Oak Fair enough.
 
Oak
And I will certainly agree that those kinds of questions are controversial, and many users frown upon them.
I like them... but I've learned I'm not really a good example :)
 
@NickT Part of what's great about this site is that we're filled with expert gamers. We can show other people that we're serious about solving their gaming problems. But with ITG, all the answers end up being very little more than guesses, a sentence or two plus maybe a picture. This doesn't really promote quality.
 
10:18 PM
Bah, couldn't connect to chat for a bit
 
@FallenAngelEyes Chat was dead for a while
 
Well that would explain that
 
Another thing is that with ITG you get a bunch of problems solved, but they're all very localized, so they're not the type of things other people would find useful and they don't really help to solve a problem. They don't add much to the site.
Also, upvoting answers is problematic because...well, you can't know what's correct, right? So you just have to trust your gut.
anyways...yeah...what's up everybody?
 
I'm bored
 
yeah. It's a boring day here too.
I can't seem to take interest in anything at all.
 
10:24 PM
One of those days where you start up a game, futz about for 10 minutes, then close it again?
 
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Q: Do we still like 'Identify This Game' questions?

Nick TAs time has worn on since last-year-ish, and various ITG questions worn on GSE denizens, has the community position on them changed? Half the time they seem ridiculously vague, and how answers are voted on seems totally random, which seems to distort the point of reps (though much less so than s...

 
Rinse, repeat?
 
yeah :( along with trying to read books, do some math problems, play drums, everything.
 
I hate those days :/
Try going outside and take a walk?
Or otherwise burn some excess energy?
 
Good plan, but it looks like it's going to rain.
 
10:26 PM
well damn
 
Oak
@Manaಠдಠ I disagree with too localized, and disagree with problematic upvoting. Too localized means only relevant for a small geographic location or a short span of time - ITG questions are relevant forever, everywhere. I also assert they can be useful for people other than the OP.
Regarding upvoting - I upvote when I know the suggested game and can verify it fulfills the requirements of the question, just like in every other question.
Or, when I don't know the suggested game but I check it out, to verify it fits.
 
Do you agree with the point I made about lacking quality in general, though?
 
Oak
And if something positively does not fit, I downvote it, trying to leave a comment
 
It's kind of a lame point since not everything has to be MAXIMUM quality, but, eh, still a point...
 
Oak
@Manaಠдಠ that depends on the question. Some have a lot of information, and I do consider those quality questions.
 
10:28 PM
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A: How to interpret voting on identify-this-game questions?

OakI upvote when it's an answer that I know fulfills all the requirements of the question. I downvote (and often leave a comment) when I know the answer is, without any doubt, incorrect. In both cases this depends on my knowledge of the game suggested in the answer - and if I know nothing about it...

 
Oak
Wow, I'm consistent :)
Forgot about that
 
@Oak Mind if I respond to your points later...? I want to go on a walk, think it over and try to get more energized.
 
Oak
@Manaಠдಠ laterz
 
Stay dry, @Mana
 
thanks.
 
10:39 PM
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Q: Battleship game for PC

Joel BI'm looking for a game like "Electronic Talking Battleship" for PC so that I can play vs my wife with our laptops back to back.

 
Aww @FallenAngelEyes, you ninja'd me on the closing-question-comment-thingy. (And our comment are almost exactly the same)
 
Hehe
I type fast :P
 
I'll just go ahead and delete mine...:P
 
Does [chat] work for a quick link on our site or no? I've assumed not, but if it does, that'll shorten things considerably
 
I don't think so.
 
10:43 PM
Bah
 
Word on the street is that TF2 will have new items for Team Fortress's 15th birthday added in the update coming later today.
 
13th birthday, wow
hey, you're spy-ified again
 
I also can't count.
1996-2011 is 15, not 13.
 
Yay Team Fortress is older than me
 
Which makes more sense that they'd do something special.
@KevinY: Are you kidding or serious?
 
10:48 PM
Except I just remembered you can't view Gaming links
 
But yeah, Team Fortress came out on August 24, 1996.
Birthday mode is automatically enabled on all servers on August 24th every year.
 
Holy cripes @Kevin
 
<3 concjumping
 
@NickT Pssh, they nerfed that in TF2.
 
If I'd been a stupid teenager, you could be young enough to be my kid
 
10:50 PM
And by nerf, I mean removed.
 
but it was awesome
 
@FallenAngelEyes uhh (not quite sure how to respond)
 
@NickT Which classes had conc grenades again?
 
Scout/Medic
 
Yeah, Scout was given double jump instead, plus there are items that allow you to do up to quadruple jump now.
 
10:50 PM
and Medics could infect people giving them a spreading DoT
 
Medic, on the other hand, wasn't given anything that gave them extra jumps... but healing works from a distance now.
 
@Powerlord I don't see any point in quad-jumping.
 
old medic instantly healed to full if he so much as touched you
though max HP was 100 on the heaviest classes, rest was armor
 
Yeah, HP changed around a lot in TF2 and armor went away.
 
10:52 PM
scout was like 75/25, medic 90/50, soldier 100/200, HWG 100/300
 
Hmmm, play a more active game or play Terraria and watch videos in other monitor...
 
Right now, HP is 125 for 5 classes, 150 for Pyro, 200 for Demoman, 250 (?) for Soldier, and 300 for Heavy.
Oh, and of course, specific items change the HP.
 
200 for soldier
175 for demo w/o sword
 
And 175 for demo.
 
Oh, whoops.
 
10:54 PM
@Oak what's the % cutoff between usually and occasionally
 
You can't just say "w/o sword" as 3 of the 4 swords don't alter the HP (as I recall)
And yes, the Demoman has 4 swords: Eyelander, Claymore (with its Scottish spelling that I never get right), Half-Zatoichi (Katana), and Persian Persuader.
 
↑ I liked this one
you should try it too.
 
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Q: Are bosses harder as a stealth-based character?

sjohnstonI recently read a review of Deus Ex that said you could play a stealth character throughout most of the game, avoiding combat. However, they also said the boss battles were all strict run-and-gun fights. I would like to play a stealthy character, but I'm wondering if the difficulty of the boss f...

 
Lets see, fun rumors... Samsung is trying to buy HP's PC business.
 
@Powerlord Back in my day, Demomen only had one sword, and they either used that or they didn't. Nonnaya crazy Japanese or Arabian swords.
 
10:57 PM
oh dear lord no
not samsung of all companies
 
@NickT Two shields and a pair of shoes are also available.
My current Demoman loadout is Splendid Screen (shield), Ali Baba's Wee Booties (boots), and Persian Persuader (sword).
Splendid Screen does damage when you hit someone with the shield, plus your next attack crits. :D
 
Oi, I really dislike double enemy defense. It's not even hard, it's just, wargh, time consuming.
 
Ali Baba's Wee Booties give you improved turn control and halves your shield's charge time.
 

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