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@badp Your opinion/assistance is still considered a random act of kindness no matter the size of the act, and that to me is a quality a good moderator needs.

badp

@ItakeDrukqs Meta SO does that to people :)

I take Drukqs

I'm scared to progress anymore in NetHack. I've never made it this far.

badp

12:21 AM

Where did you reach?

The farthest I've gone was Quest 1.

I take Drukqs

I'm in DLVL 9, have not done Gnomish Mines or Sokoban as I've never even seen the end of the mines and only touched Sokoban once by luck

StrixVaria

How did Nethack get its name anyway?

I take Drukqs

I have a blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur, my lance is intact, wand of striking, telepathy and a blindfold, -3 AC

And my Horse will hopefully soon be a Warhorse

@Strix It was originally simply called Hack, which was inspired by Rogue, as far as I know.

I'm still having encumbrance issues, and I can never seem to figure out how to identify what my scrolls and potions will do.

They just sit in my inventory until I die.

Feeds

12:38 AM

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FallenAngelEyes

@Strix: Apparently our musical compatibility is SUPER

StrixVaria

@FallenAngelEyes Awesome :D Not enough people are super compatible with me.

FallenAngelEyes

Holy shit you listen to Ayreon :O

StrixVaria

I listen to a lot of Ayreon

FallenAngelEyes

:D

I'm a big fan of symphonic metal, looks like you are too :D

StrixVaria

12:40 AM

I go through phases, and symphonic metal is usually every other for me

It always comes back to Ghost Love Score by Nightwish

FallenAngelEyes

:O

That's like my fave song by them <3

It's so epic

StrixVaria

Oh wow you listen to Richard Cheese too :D I haven't heard his stuff in way too long

FallenAngelEyes

I do! He is unfortunately in dire straits moneywise :(

StrixVaria

:(

FallenAngelEyes

I follow him on FB, they've had to resort to using uh... what is it, kickstart.com? to try to raise some cash to keep recording

StrixVaria

12:44 AM

That's really awful. I should go buy a bunch of his stuff in attempt to help

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, I'm planning on doing the same when I get some more cash.

I've only started checking out Coheed & Cambria this year

StrixVaria

I wonder if I can buy direct from the band though instead of through some music publisher...

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah you can

StrixVaria

Coheed & Cambria is very hit or miss

FallenAngelEyes

go to their website and stuff

I don't like their first album, Second Stage Turbine Blade

Their sound isn't as put together as the later stuff

and their lyrics aren't very accessible

(overall)

StrixVaria

12:45 AM

It's very hard for me to tell albums apart from each other for most bands because of the way I organize my music

FallenAngelEyes

But I've really started to like them.

Ah, how's that?

StrixVaria

One giant list of song names lol

FallenAngelEyes

Haha

StrixVaria

The songs on each album are grouped together but I can't tell where one ends and the next begins

FallenAngelEyes

gotcha

I actually was introduced to them through Rock Band >_>

StrixVaria

12:47 AM

I found out about a bunch of bands I like through that or Guitar Hero

FallenAngelEyes

Welcome Home is just an epic song

StrixVaria

but I did know C&C before that

FallenAngelEyes

I also recently got into Rise Against through RB as well XD

also Claudio's hair

StrixVaria

Hahaha that's all I remembered from their Favor House Atlantic music video

FallenAngelEyes

Some of their stuff is definitely hit or miss, but I really have respect for a band that's completely running on concept

StrixVaria

12:48 AM

Yeah that's what I love so much about Ayreon (and the music itself of course)

Apart from Actual Fantasy, every Ayreon album is a continuation of the same story

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, an ex of mine introduced me to them, he's met Arjen a few times and stuff

StrixVaria

Oh yeah you're actually in the Netherlands

That must make meeting him a bit easier :P

FallenAngelEyes

Haha, yeah

StrixVaria

A roommate of mine in college was listening to them one day and turned it off because he didn't like it, but I went over and made him tell me what it was so I could get it for myself

FallenAngelEyes

I don't go to a lot of concerts though, I really would like to

I've seen Within Temptation twice though

StrixVaria

12:50 AM

I haven't seen any symphonic metal live, but I have been to a bunch of concerts

FallenAngelEyes

They're really great live

StrixVaria

They're really great in general

FallenAngelEyes

I've only been to a handful :(

StrixVaria

Have you heard of Leaves' Eyes?

FallenAngelEyes

Yes!

I have their first album

lead singer from Theatre of Tragedy

StrixVaria

12:51 AM

Yeah

I think Leaves' Eyes is my favorite band in that genre overall

FallenAngelEyes

Nightwish is still my first love, though I liked Tarja better as a singer, even if she turned out to be a diva.

a friend of mine is coming over in summer to go to Wacken Open Air and if I can get the money, I might try to go with him

LessPop_MoreFizz

If there are any WoW players around at the moment (@Brant perhaps?) who are fond of playing the 'minigame' that is economic manipulation: The Undermine Journal is back! HOOOOOO RAAAAAAAAY.

StrixVaria

Wacken Open Air?

FallenAngelEyes

Avantasia's gonna be there, Blind Guardian, Apocalyptica (whom I love), Rhapsody (I refuse to call them Rhapsody of Fire)

StrixVaria

I agree with you on Rhapsody's name

FallenAngelEyes

12:53 AM

Wacken Open Air

Wacken Open Air (W:O:A) is one of the leading summer open air heavy metal music festivals. It takes place annually in the small town of Wacken in Schleswig-Holstein, northern Germany. With 80,000 festival visitors, and including personnel a total of roughly 82,500 attendees in 2010, it attracts all kinds of metal music fans, such as fans of black metal, death metal, power metal, thrash metal, gothic metal, folk metal, and even metalcore and hard rock from around the world. The festival was first held in 1990 as a small event for local German bands. By 1998 the event had become the major ...

StrixVaria

Apocalyptica is playing near me in March

I'm considering going.

FallenAngelEyes

Nice

Most of my taste in metal is European metal, I don't listen to American metal as much.

StrixVaria

I liked them more before they started having vocals all the time, though

FallenAngelEyes

I really love symphonic metal a lot.

I don't really listen to their recent stuff, I like the older cello-centric stuff.

StrixVaria

Exactly

Their take on Hall of the Mountain King is amazing

FallenAngelEyes

12:54 AM

Yessssss

I like their Metallica covers as well

StrixVaria

They make Metallica sound like they knew what they were doing

FallenAngelEyes

Do you listen to Trans-Siberian Orchestra at all?

StrixVaria

No I don't know anything by them

Except that one wintery song that's all over advertisements

FallenAngelEyes

They do mostly Christmas stuff, yeah.

But their concerts are amazing.

They're finally coming to the NL in March, they're going to do their Beethoven album.

StrixVaria

That sounds cool

FallenAngelEyes

12:56 AM

Gonna try to go if I can.

StrixVaria

I'm a big fan of classical music too

FallenAngelEyes

Every time I'm back in the US for xmas, I try to see them. I've gone in 2006, 08, and '10 for xmas.

StrixVaria

Back in the US? Are you from here originally?

FallenAngelEyes

I think you'd like them then, they do a lot of classical pieces on their most recent album.

Their version of the Carmina Burana is awesome.

Yeah, I grew up in upstate NY.

In a rural area about an hour and a bit south of Rochester.

StrixVaria

Oh cool. I visit upstate NY every summer. My grandparents have a house there.

They live like 15 minutes from Lake George. Not sure where Rochester is

FallenAngelEyes

12:57 AM

Finger Lakes area.

Ah, nice.

Lake George is over in the eastern part.

StrixVaria

Oh ok, so nowhere near Lake George

New York is big

FallenAngelEyes

Rochester's in central/western NY.

But everyone calls anything north of the city "upstate" so I usually just say "upstate."

StrixVaria

That's a big area lol

FallenAngelEyes

Haha yeah

StrixVaria

I like mostly European metal too, now that I'm thinking of it

FallenAngelEyes

1:00 AM

also yay Opeth

though again, I'm more fond of their older stuff

StrixVaria

I went to Germany to see Opeth

FallenAngelEyes

Damnation and Deliverance were pretty great albums.

Nice!

StrixVaria

Because I'm too impatient to wait for them to come to the USA

If they ever do

FallenAngelEyes

The chat keeps telling me I can't post messages because I'm sending too fast.

I always get all excited when musically nerding out.

StrixVaria

It was Progressive Nation 2009; they played with Unexpect (terrible), Bigelf (weird style, pretty fun), and Dream Theater (who I'd already seen in the states but is amazing live anyway)

FallenAngelEyes

1:02 AM

I'd love to see Dream Theater live

StrixVaria

Unfortunately Portnoy left the band

And it'll be pretty hard to fill his shoes

When Dream Theater started playing Dance of Eternity live I almost died from sheer joy

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah :(

GnomeSlice

Live performances?

Lordi. As in, the band.

FallenAngelEyes

Oh hey, you like The Dresden Dolls, I was thinking about checking out their stuff. How are they?

StrixVaria

They're completely unlike anything else I've ever heard

It's really hard for normal people to get into

But I think they're amazing

FallenAngelEyes

1:04 AM

From what I've heard, I think I'll like them.

StrixVaria

I don't even know what it is I like about them; I just know I can keep listening to them forever once I start

FallenAngelEyes

I like weird music with odd themes sometimes too though, so.

I've been on a bit of an industrial kick the past couple weeks.

StrixVaria

Try out "Half Jack" if you want for the Dresden Dolls. That's my favorite by them

FallenAngelEyes

Cool, will do. I know... Coin-Operated Boy by them, and that's it.

StrixVaria

I like some industrial stuff, but I don't like Nine Inch Nails so it's kind of hard since everyone else tries to be them

FallenAngelEyes

1:07 AM

Ah, how come you don't?

GnomeSlice

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StrixVaria

Just doesn't do anything for me. They have a good song or two but for the most part I'm just waiting for it to end

GnomeSlice

Actually, that particular rendition sounds pretty off-kilter.

FallenAngelEyes

I recently found a band called Angelspit which I find really entertaining. I also listen to Skinny Puppy and some Front Line Assembly.

StrixVaria

Never heard of any of those bands

FallenAngelEyes

1:09 AM

Skinny Puppy and FLA are both off of Nettwerk records, a Canadian label. I like another band on a label a lot too, Delerium, which is kind of ambientish.

(I am really, really terrible at defining genres for music, I usually just look on Wikipedia to see what stuff is called)

StrixVaria

I couldn't name a single label if I tried

GnomeSlice

Try.

StrixVaria

Wikipedia is generally good for that but they get a little fine-grained for me

There are too many "somethingcore" genres to keep track of

FallenAngelEyes

Nettwerk I think is cool because they release their stuff without DRM and don't support using it.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Roadrunner, I guess. So there. Happy?

GnomeSlice

1:11 AM

I want to see apocalyptica live some time.

StrixVaria

DRM is evil

GnomeSlice

Hell, I want to see anyone live.

StrixVaria

If you live in New Jersey they're playing in March

Oh you're in Canada

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, or like the bajillion metal genres. I cannot for the life of me name the differences between black, death, doom, gothic, or whatever else there is.

StrixVaria

Never mind. That's a bit of a drive

GnomeSlice

1:12 AM

@StrixVaria I do not.

StrixVaria

I can tell the difference between a lot of metal genres

Doom metal sucks

FallenAngelEyes

I just don't care enough to, really. In like, 50 years, everyone's just going to call it "oldies" or something anyway.

StrixVaria

That's going to be hilarious

When they're playing Opeth and Nightwish on the "Oldies" station

FallenAngelEyes

Do you know Alestorm by the way?

StrixVaria

Of course!

Wenches and Mead

FallenAngelEyes

1:13 AM

:D

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Sounds like BlackGuard to me...

StrixVaria

No one believed me when I told them about pirate metal

FallenAngelEyes

Hahaha

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Would you believe Viking Metal?

Crabcore?

Whalecore?

FallenAngelEyes

I'm trying to branch out in my musical tastes actually, because I've been mostly focusing on symphonic metal for like the past 8 years.

StrixVaria

1:14 AM

Where are you trying to branch to?

FallenAngelEyes

So last year I asked a bunch of my friends for recommendations.

I dunno. I just felt like I should expand my horizons a bit.

I've recently started liking a bit of punk/hardcore, which I used to not be able to get into.

StrixVaria

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FallenAngelEyes

So like Rise Against and Ignite and stuff. I think wiki calls it "melodic hardcore."

GnomeSlice

@FallenAngelEyes A Skylit Drive ?

StrixVaria

I saw this band live last year. They're like Mastodon but they're not all assholes.

GnomeSlice

1:16 AM

@StrixVaria Ever heard of AHAB ?

FallenAngelEyes

stupid youtube ads...

StrixVaria

Nope

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Whalecore. I kid you not.

Their songs are based on the events surrounding Moby Dick.

StrixVaria

Arjen Anthony Lucassen has an album with a "group" (it's just him) called Star One where each song is based off a different science fiction universe

Dune, Star Trek, Star Wars

GnomeSlice

That sounds familiar.

StrixVaria

1:17 AM

Other stuff

GnomeSlice

Isn't the star wars one really freakin' long?

FallenAngelEyes

Star One is great stuff

StrixVaria

Stargate is one

FallenAngelEyes

But yeah, the desire to branch out is what made me want to check out Dresden Dolls.

Also fell in love with the album Murder Ballads by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.

StrixVaria

Yeah, try out the Dresden Dolls, and if you like them try Emilie Autumn too

FallenAngelEyes

1:19 AM

I know I'm going to like her

StrixVaria

How's that?

FallenAngelEyes

A friend of mine linked me some of her songs and I fell in love.

Just the themes and stuff.

StrixVaria

She's a violinist, which is awesome.

FallenAngelEyes

Another friend is going to see her Sunday. I've heard that she's phenomenal live.

StrixVaria

A lot of her albums have baroque violin songs at the end

GnomeSlice

1:20 AM

You guys remember Primus?

StrixVaria

Les Claypool is a terrible musician

@FallenAngelEyes If you want to get into punk, try Authority Zero

GnomeSlice

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GnomeSlice

But his videos freaking rock.

That is probably the most frightening music video I've ever seen.

StrixVaria

Ok so Les Claypool is an amazing technical bassist, but I can't stand his style.

FallenAngelEyes

1:21 AM

But yeah, other stuff I've had recommended to me includes Misfits, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Gorillaz, Rasputina...

StrixVaria

Gorillaz only has 2 good songs

Don't know any of those others

GnomeSlice

Man, that music video is still so amazing.

FallenAngelEyes

@Strix: Can they sing? That's my difficulty with getting into punk, I kind of prefer it when the lead singer can actually sing, which is part of why I like Rise Against. Lead singer can sing well and also still do the scream-y bits well.

StrixVaria

Oh man punk with a singer who can actually sing

Uh....

FallenAngelEyes

Haha, yeah I know...

StrixVaria

1:23 AM

Well it's worth trying Authority Zero; they're better than most punk bands

FallenAngelEyes

Will do :)

GnomeSlice

@FallenAngelEyes A Skylit Drive - Those Cannons could sink a ship

StrixVaria

I am personally a huge fan of Welcome to the Black Parade (the album) by My Chemical Romance. That's kind of like a punk/prog/emo mix.

FallenAngelEyes

Ah okay, I've never really checked out MCR.

@Gnome: Whoa, this guy's voice reminds me of Claudio from Coheed

holy shit wow high note

StrixVaria

Their other albums are a lot worse than that one

GnomeSlice

1:24 AM

@FallenAngelEyes No kidding.

That IS a man.

Hard to believe, but...yeah.

StrixVaria

On the opposite end of the spectrum

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FallenAngelEyes

I like this a lot, @Gnome, thanks. :) Think I'll check out more of their stuff, if only to hear more of this guy's range, holy fuck.

StrixVaria

That is a woman

GnomeSlice

Arch Enemy has few songs I like.

The woman sounds more like a man than most metal singers that ARE men.

@FallenAngelEyes @StrixVaria if you guys are into the symphonic stuff, then you need to check this out. Blackguard - Scarlet to Snow

FallenAngelEyes

holy fuck @ Arch Enemy

StrixVaria

1:28 AM

Suspyre is a symphonic band that I know is good but I haven't listened to enough to pick out any songs as examples

FallenAngelEyes

It's unfortunate I'm not that into growling vocals

StrixVaria

@FallenAngelEyes But you like Opeth?

FallenAngelEyes

Haha, yeah I know

StrixVaria

Arch Enemy overdoes it, though

GnomeSlice

Have either of you heard of Insomnium?

StrixVaria

1:29 AM

Akerfeldt can sing

FallenAngelEyes

But Akerfelt can -really-... yeah

I really like their softer stuff on Damnation

I thought it showcased their range of style really well

GnomeSlice

the singer for Insomnium really has an unfortunately growly style, but that band has some of the greatest instrumentation and musicianship I've ever heard.

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Some of the most melodic metal I've come across.

StrixVaria

Children of Bodom wins for melodic metal

melodic death metal, at least

FallenAngelEyes

Haha yeah

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria Listen to that song before you say that.

StrixVaria

1:31 AM

Listening now

GnomeSlice

I do love Children of Bodom, but Insomnium is just so incredible.

FallenAngelEyes

I've found that some people are more sound people and some are more lyrics people when it comes to music. I'm more of a sound person, so lots of growly lyrics aren't really my thing.

StrixVaria

I once got really bored and re-created some album art from my favorite albums and came up with this

I guess that's my favorite Opeth album then

FallenAngelEyes

Haha nice

StrixVaria

I don't even hear lyrics when I listen to music. The voice is just another instrument

GnomeSlice

1:34 AM

@FallenAngelEyes Me neither, but with Insomnium, I kind of tune it out, the instrumentation is so incredible.

StrixVaria

That's why growly vocals don't bother me

I might need to hear more of Insomnium

FallenAngelEyes

@Strix: Gotcha, I can see that.

GnomeSlice

@StrixVaria "Down with the sun" Search it.

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Queued

FallenAngelEyes

Insomnium sounds pretty great sound-wise so far.

GnomeSlice

1:36 AM

Did you guys check out the Blackguard track I linked in?

FallenAngelEyes

Yeah, I liked that sound too. :)

StrixVaria

Yeah that was pretty decent too, but you were linking so fast I couldn't listen to the whole thing

FallenAngelEyes

I need to write this stuff down.

GnomeSlice

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For reference, there it is again.

FallenAngelEyes

Or wait, how do you bookmark conversations?

StrixVaria

1:37 AM

There's a bookmark button somewhere

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FallenAngelEyes on the right hand side, click the 'Room' dropdown

GnomeSlice

@FallenAngelEyes Permalink to the transcript from the first message in the conversation?

LessPop_MoreFizz

There'll be Create New Bookmark option.

Then click first and last message of the bookmarked range

GnomeSlice

Funny, I made a room for discussing music before, and no one showed up.

FallenAngelEyes

Ah, thanks @Lesspop

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:38 AM

and you'll get a nifty permalinkable, renamable, bookmark transcript.

GnomeSlice

I take it you guys have listened to In Flames, right?

LessPop_MoreFizz

Also, if you want to break out of the Metal ghetto and want to hear a band with not one, but two vocalists so good it's absolutely criminal, TV On The Radio are pretty amazing.

Particularly the early stuff for pure vocal acrobatics. <3 Tunde's voice.

FallenAngelEyes

@Gnome: Yar, but a lot of their stuff starts to sound the same for me after a while

@LessPop: Not heard of them :o

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice Is that the band with Trigger?

GnomeSlice

Yep.

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@FallenAngelEyes I know what you mean.

LessPop_MoreFizz

1:40 AM

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GnomeSlice

OOH! What about Dark Tranquility?

LessPop_MoreFizz

is a good start.

FallenAngelEyes

That's kind of why I gravitate more towards symphonic and prog.

GnomeSlice

@FallenAngelEyes Prog? Oh boy, gimme a sec.

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To be fair, that's probably the least prog-ish of any of their songs.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Ambulance is... not really representative of the bands sound as a whole, but it's just so goddamned good.

i.e., TVOTR are not normally an a capella group at all.

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This is a bit more representative.

GnomeSlice

1:45 AM

Mr Rubber Finger is probably my favourite artist that absolutely nobody knows about.

Every single one of their [well, 10 or so] songs sound completely different.

They did a cover of the Punch-Out! theme, and the Jurassic park theme. Badass.

FallenAngelEyes

Ambulance is pretty cool. :o I'll listen to their other one when I'm done listening to this badass Zelda cover.

oooooh Jurassic Park theme?

GnomeSlice

Also, the Punch-out! theme, and a retro-racing game inspired track.

and a cover of the Pink Panther theme.

These guys are so great. Completely instrumental, every track.

FallenAngelEyes

@LessPop: This is really funky

LessPop_MoreFizz

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Another good one by them

GnomeSlice

You guys may not like this one. The vocal style almost breaks the band. But the musicality behind it still saves it.

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FallenAngelEyes

1:50 AM

ah yeah, I know Dark Tranquillity. Another growly-but-good-musically band.

I like this @Less, really good singers and sort of quasi-electronic-ish almost.

Anywho, I should head sleepwards.

Yay music geekery!

GnomeSlice

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FallenAngelEyes

Thanks for the recommendations all. :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@FallenAngelEyes Not gonna stay up 8 more minutes for Town Hall #2?

GnomeSlice

The Prodigy - Invaders must die.

FallenAngelEyes

Shouldn't stay up for another hour. :(

Hence why I only signed up for the first, 'tis almost 3am now.

Anywho, have a good evening!

GnomeSlice

1:54 AM

Ciao.

@Strix one more:

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LessPop_MoreFizz

The City of Austin is renaming it's Solid Waste Services Department. And you can help!

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(I'm fond of Ministry of Filth myself.)

GnomeSlice

@RebeccaChernoff Are you going to be locking the bridge again?

Grace Note

I thought @badp locked it last time

C. Ross

everyone got their questions ready?

and yes, it was badp

GnomeSlice

1:56 AM

@GraceNote "You" meaning "you people"

badp

Yeah, I locked it to give focus to the THC

GnomeSlice

@badp what about for those who don't feel the need to go to both sessions?

badp

You mean you aren't interested in what @GraceNote has to say?!!!?!??!?!????!??!?!

GnomeSlice

@badp She's already got my vote. So no.

Ooooh spoiler alert.

My bad.

C. Ross

@badp You know, this borderline worship probably makes @GraceNote nervous

GnomeSlice

1:58 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz "Dirty Deeds, Done Dirt Cheap"

C. Ross

or is giving her a goddess complex. One or the other

Grace Note

It doesn't make me nervous. Rather, it baffles me

badp

@CRoss It isn't worship

Grace Note

Also, definitely no deity complex.

C. Ross

@badp fanaticism?

badp

1:59 AM

appreciation? support?

GnomeSlice

@badp Bah, I guess I'll troll the next session like I did with the first too, then.

I didn't have any constructive input. Q_Q

LessPop_MoreFizz

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