The Bridge

tzenes

6:00 PM

Alex Castellanos

C. Ross

well, you're no Big Daddy Clinton, but I've heard much worse

tzenes

Ann Coulter

I could list political pundits all day

radp

btw why is doctype.com linked from the trilogy if it isn't a SE site?

tzenes

isn't it se 1.0?

Jin

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Overflow and Doctype

Posted by Jeff Atwood on August 12th, 2009

Remember our League of (web) Justice?

Well, I’m pleased to announce we have recruited another superhero into our league: Doctype.

What is Doctype?

Doctype is a free question and answer site for web designers. You can get fast solutions to your CSS, HTML, web design and email design problems.

For each question, Doctype can generate screenshots of your design on any browser or email client. This makes it much easier for other people to see the problem and help you fix it.

Doctype was inspired by Stack Overflow, but it was custom-built and tailored to the needs of web designers by the fine folks at Litmus. Litmus is a tool designed to show how your HTML and CSS will render in a variety of different browsers and email clients, so naturally Doctype supports Litmus integration. When you ask those gnarly design questions, in addition to posting raw HTML and CSS, you can also post a set of automatically generated screenshots illustrating the design problem. …

C. Ross

6:03 PM

How to Geek isn't SE either

tzenes

I wonder if there is any code sharing or if its just a rewrite (like linux -> unix)

Jin

no code sharing at all.

tzenes

not even open source parts like markdown?

Ivo Flipse

why should HTG be SE @CRoss?

oh scratch that

C. Ross

How are the views on the blog?

tzenes

6:06 PM

God damnit @jeff

stop playing with our tags

radp

Well, genre tagging is something we did consider.

tzenes

no, not that: mukashi-mukashi-tokoro -> MMT

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rockpapershotgun.com/2010/09/17/minecraft-mine-the-gap-day-4

tzenes

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Q: How do I get past a Cliff in MMT?

So I'm at a cliff in the 5 or 6th screen of むかしむかしあるところにとてつもなく仲の悪いツインテールの姉妹姫様がいらっしゃいましたとさ and I can't figure out a way past it. I've provided a screenshot: I've tried standing on top of the pollen from the mushrooms but that is too far away. I've also tried standing on the other twintail's h...

radp

there

as much as I support common abbreviations like mmt and fps I don't feel like redoing all those meta threads again

tzenes

6:12 PM

I don't want to have the fps conversation again

radp

@Juan/@Jin, plz to pin ↑

Jin

pinned

radp

kind of you, thanks

JavadocMD

I was going to comment "I played ZvZ once. Our creeps touched." But that sounded more and more weird the more I thought about it.

tzenes

haha

radp

6:20 PM

meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1047/…

C. Ross

"Zerglings, they're all dead, attack stalkers"

tzenes

yeah...

zerglings don't last long against zealots

radp

btw world1-1.com isn't taken

stageone.com is

gamingoracle.com isn't taken but then it'd look like we'd only answer while on LSD

escforhelp.com also isn't taken and nowadays that's the universal key for pausing games (whereas you can pause the rest by just doing something else).

tzenes

Computer Games

not Console games

radp

._.

I'll have to settle for being yet again in the minority

Jin

6:29 PM

because you're a ninja

but to be honest, "Pause for help" is literally what i do when I need answers on games as I play. I pause with "Start" button or "P" key on a computer.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Being locked into .com makes things so hard tbqh

infiniteliv.es is availiable!

C. Ross

:189038 Buy it and redirect

tzenes

good call

radp

:189036 So you don't pause CSSSSSSSSSS for help with IE rendering?

Jin

i suggest to post all your recommendations on the thread

tzenes

6:30 PM

wow, that reminds me of goatse.cx

Jin

@badp there's no literally action for pausing for csssss help

tzenes

how would you pause CSS?

hit stop on the webbrowser?

radp

by doing something else.

tzenes

I do most of my CSS in firebug

LessPop_MoreFizz

Also cleverdomainna.me - I might have to snap that one up for myself...

radp

6:31 PM

It's just, "pause" isn't a verb that only makes sense in gaming

go tell stackoverflow to your grandma

go tell pauseforhelp to your grandma

Jin

but grandma isn't the targeted audience of the site. most gamers would get the reference.

radp

yes, 'cept grandma understands what "pause for help" means...

tzenes

I don't think grandma would get "pause for help"

radp

...not in the way we mean it.

tzenes

She's probably say: You want me to do what now?

no I mean at all

radp

6:33 PM

Wait -- pause isn't a verb commonly used in English?

Jin

@badp grandma won't get it in the sense that applies to gaming scene.

tzenes

though I guess my grandmother wouldn't say anything, but that's beside the point

hey grandma look what I found on pause for help today

radp

:189069 so non gamers would misunderstand what the site is about, all the better :P

tzenes

yeah I don't think she's going to parse that

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meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1047/…

radp

6:35 PM

Jeff says we are. .com gives more trust to our site

Jin

@badp non gamers won't be on the site at the first place. people come to the site if they google something gaming related. right?

radp

:189080 possibly

Jin

it's like if the math site chose the domain LongLiveEulersID.com it may not mean anything to non math geeks.

C. Ross

As Jin said earlier, naming is hard

radp

No doubt

FallenAngelEyes

6:39 PM

Evening all

Oooh, naming

JavadocMD

For me, the problem with pauseforhelp.com is that it's just not terribly unique or catchy. It works but... well that's it. It just works.

5

Whereas Stackoverflow is something that I feel wins a character of its own.

But if I had any better suggestions, I would have made them so... :)

radp

To be honest, so long as we don't have a name like that, @java, we should just not get any name

> No response on Infinite Lives. And everyone--absolutely everyone--that I market-tested "That One Level" on hated it. So I went with this communities highest voted choice, "Pause for Help." I has hoping to hear some better suggestions here. We should be able to do better. – Robert Cartaino♦ 4 mins ago

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:189104 Agreed. We really need to focus on pushing for a better name.

JavadocMD

Can we put a bigger banner on the front page? Get some more casual users involved?

tzenes

:189097 Someone else explain it

radp

6:44 PM

cointocontinue.com

tzenes

pressstarttocontinue

actually that's kind of long

radp

continue.com isn't taken.

C. Ross

... not too bad ...

LessPop_MoreFizz

:189128 That's... not bad.

tzenes

you know what, suggest that

FallenAngelEyes

6:45 PM

insertanotherquarter.com

radp

Posted

FallenAngelEyes

hm @ continue.com

Jin

continue.com is taken

radp

OpenDNS.com says it isn't...

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:189137 Seems to just be squatted though

radp

6:46 PM

Nameservers for continue.com:

ns1.pr-server.ru returned (NORECORDS)
ns2.pr-server.ru returned (NORECORDS)

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:189140 Whois says it's registered and just not pointed anywhere

radp

=///////

tzenes

one more continue

one life left

JavadocMD

My litmus test is I imagine myself having a conversation with someone in which I'm trying to convince them to go to the site for help. If I can say something like "Dude, like, you should totally go post your question on <name>. Radical!" without the name being too out of place, that's good.

tzenes

please press start

@Java the problem I have with that conversation is that I could add .com on to anything and it starts to make sense

or .org

radp

6:49 PM

% By submitting a query to RU-CENTER's Whois Service
% you agree to abide by the following terms of use:
% nic.ru/about/servpol.html (in Russian)
% nic.ru/about/en/servpol.html (in English).

Domain name:             CONTINUE.COM
Name Server:             ns1.pr-server.ru
Name Server:             ns2.pr-server.ru
Creation Date:           1998.07.17
Updated Date:            2010.03.02
Expiration Date:         2011.07.16

Status:                  DELEGATED

Registrant ID:           EMSYCTH-RU

tzenes

Dude, go ask that question on 4chan.org

JavadocMD

:189152 True, but bonus points if you can leave off the TLD and still make sense. And even then, names that are three or four word phrases tend to break the conversational flow.

tzenes

one life left is taken sadly

I think 3 syllabus is a nice target rate

FallenAngelEyes

I'd agree, 4+ syllables starts to sound a bit unwieldy I think

Unless it's a full sentence... hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com

radp

you-die.com is taken but youdie.com isn't.

tzenes

6:53 PM

Game Start

too bad GameOver is taken

that's really the best choice

radp

mariox3

?

LessPop_MoreFizz

pressstart.com is squatted

radp

:189173 no, trademark

tzenes

please press start

I'm pretty sure that's not tm

FallenAngelEyes

I can see people screwing up the 3 s's

JavadocMD

6:55 PM

mario/moria.... coincidence?

tzenes

yeah, its kinda ugly too

I guess we could reg both please press start and please pres start

FallenAngelEyes

press-start.com?

radp

sidechallenge.com? no

tzenes

I'm not sure I want to type that name in though

C. Ross

how about PauseForHelp.com?

radp

6:56 PM

if it was good enough, @cross, we wouldn't be discussing other names now

tzenes

@Cross I feel like that's the lowest common denominator

everyone agrees to it, but no one really likes it

FallenAngelEyes

Agreed

C. Ross

meh, meeting

FallenAngelEyes

But we can't find anything better that's not taken :(

tzenes

Thrown Controllers

radp

6:56 PM

onemorelevel.com is taken

onemorestage.com is not

tzenes

that's got zing to it

radp

however, onemorelevel.com is also gaming related

:189202 how about computer gaming? :)

keyboards aren't controllers (yes technically they are but that is not the point)

LessPop_MoreFizz

@grace cuts to the core of it: the site itself does a good enough job of saying 'come here for help' - the name of the site needs to say 'come here for games'

tzenes

they're a kind of controller

LessPop_MoreFizz

:189210 When you get that caught up in inclusiveness you miss the forest for the trees.

tzenes

6:58 PM

Its my point

JavadocMD

Yeah I like Thrown Controller but it does have the problem of really only applying to console gamers.

LessPop_MoreFizz

People aren't going to ignore the site because OMG CONTROLLERS IT MUST BE ABOUT CONSOLES.

tzenes

I just think Thrown Controllers has ZING

LessPop_MoreFizz

What we need to pay attention to is does the name convey the fact that the site is about videogames.

tzenes

like Stackoverflow, has ZING

LessPop_MoreFizz

6:58 PM

everything else will, I think, follow from that.

savepoint.com is just a squatter atm

Jin

i'd avoid parked domains

radp

lavajumping.com

not taken

and absurd in all contexts except gaming

JavadocMD

Hmm.... I guess not every programming language has the concept of a stack overflow in the daily practice of the language... so in a way Stackoverflow itself isn't terribly inclusive of all languages.

Jin

leroyjenkins.com lol

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That's because the infamous wow leeroy was two ee's.

Jin

7:01 PM

oops.

FallenAngelEyes

I think throwncontroller is a fun title that encompasses what we're about. If we end up getting PC fanboys who complain over semantics, they're probably not people we would be able to help anyway :P

JavadocMD

What about One More Life? Slight variation on One Life Left.

radp

:189232 :(

JavadocMD

Like "I can beat this... just one more life."

radp

onemorecoin.com is taken to squatters

onemorelife.com is taken to squatters

JavadocMD

7:03 PM

D'oh.

FallenAngelEyes

I'd agree that keyboards/mice can include controllers. I've definitely played pc games before and ended up frustrated enough I wanted to hurl my poor logitech mouse out the window.

tzenes

meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1047/…

FallenAngelEyes

+1

Incidentally

JavadocMD

Yeah I'm liking ThrownControllers better than PauseForHelp, at least.

tzenes

:189229 is that site for real? is it a joke? its so hard to tell. If its a joke, its a really good joke, if its serious....

radp

7:04 PM

@tzenes Parked/Squatted

FallenAngelEyes

This is kind of a luxury problem that we're all focusing on, the biggest thing right now I think is...

Congratulations guys, we're making it out of beta! :D

radp

:189246 I'm afraid that's for real

tzenes

too bad

that could have been a really funny joke

radp

:189249 We can still fail when out of beta if we screw up bad enough, naming is an option

wait a second

click here FREE vial of miracle water

okay it isn't for real. Definitely not a real reverend of any self-respecting church at any rate.

FallenAngelEyes

Okay, I'm looking at the shorter term victory here, @badp :P Especially considering Jeff expressed his doubt about how well the site would succeed at the beginning. I think so far we've at least met, if not exceeded, expectations. :)

That doesn't mean we should get lax, but I think it's something we can all be proud of. :)

JavadocMD

7:09 PM

:189256 I've seen crazier.

Jin

@badp not a joke. i wish this was a joke iccmworldwide.org/index2.htm

Flash intro... so intense... what does this mean...

radp

endgame.com is up for a quote

FallenAngelEyes

endgame makes me think of MMO stuff, gameplay after level cap, more than that the game has ended

throwncontrollers is apparently parked :(

JavadocMD

:189278 Haha, so awesome. It's like Christianity is an anime fight!

tzenes

:189290 yeah, It looks like by a company that might sell it, but I don't know

FallenAngelEyes

7:14 PM

Damn

Well, dinnertime, later all

LessPop_MoreFizz

Okay, I am off to go out for the night and eventually imbibe large amounts of alcohol and such, so I will speak to all you fine people another day. Good luck domainhunting!

Ivo Flipse

7:29 PM

btw @tzenes regarding your blog post: your voice isn't annoying and I think you did a fairly good job of keeping the viewer entertained

you didn't have those dead-silences in the middle of your talk

tzenes

@Ivo I tried

Ivo Flipse

and your feedback sounds solid

tzenes

I know the content is good, I still worry about the presentation

I tend to slur words

and say "um" and "ah" alot

Ivo Flipse

what and day9 throwing hot chocolat over his keyboard?

and talking about how cute the gamers are?

tzenes

yeah, but that's exciting

that's entertaining

have you ever heard Day9's masturbation story?

Ivo Flipse

7:32 PM

I don't wanna know

but tell us anyway

tzenes

teamliquid.net/blogs/…

Its definitely NSFW

There are some amazing lines in here

radp

:189285 that was the idea

Is it me or @Robert is kind of angry at us? :)

tzenes

@badp we're redesigning the site in the 11th hour

I think he has a right to be

we had 70 days to come up with a good name and research it

radp

to be honest no SE is spending 70 days fully into their naming

tzenes

sure, but the point is we've had time

radp

7:41 PM

and we've been told that our names are horrible despite the voting just now

tzenes

In all fairness thatonelevel is kind of horrible

radp

In all fairness pauseforhelp is kind of terrible

anyway -- if any of the proposals was good enough we wouldn't be here anyway

tzenes

I don't think its terrible so much as its not good

radp

so lavajumping.com doesn't cut it eh?

tzenes

well that's kind of the point. He doesn't care what name we choose as long as he can buy it, but he wants us to pick one

I dunno, lavajumping sounds more like a geologist fan club from iceland

I guess it could work, but it doesn't scream gaming to me

radp

7:44 PM

you mean people can actually jump inches over lava?

I think that's something only possible in games.

tzenes

or just think the idea of jumping over lava is cool

Ivo Flipse

I think the one level looked great the way it was, I don't know if there's no ring to it

but it looked great

tzenes

yeah it did look pretty, but its such an ugly name to say

radp

google "can you jump over lava"

mostly it's game questions

tzenes

:189390 0 results

now I kind of wonder

can you jump over lava?

it is possible?

radp

7:46 PM

lavainmycastle

:189396 218k results

tzenes

?

radp

:189398 You probably can but get burned in the way

tzenes

google.com/…

radp

google.com/search?q=can+you+jump+over+lava%3F :P

tzenes

oh, well you had quotes on there

don't blame me for copy/pasting

radp

7:48 PM

yeah, it was quotes around the search term. Sorry

"google can you jump over lava?" reads bad.

anyway.

tzenes

or, Google: can you jump over lava?

it doesn't look like you can, incidently

its too hot

radp

yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Downvoter

does anybody know if this works?

Downvoter

wowinterface.com/downloads/…

radp

:189430 no way in hell

Downvoter

7:52 PM

:(

radp

generating extra traffic is the best way to kill latency at routers

more packets take a longer time in routers' queues

Downvoter

so it's all a lie?

radp

and network traffic, just like highway traffic, can dramatically get much worse with just a bit more cars

although I may not have the full picture

Ivo Flipse

here's something that applies to @tzenes

radp

the script seems to address a few peculiarities of the Windows networking stack

I merely studied general networking

so @Juan there might be a point about it

tzenes

7:56 PM

@Ivo ouch

Downvoter

it sounds reasonable

Downvoter

ack pairing

Downvoter

I'll try it tonight

Ivo Flipse

just kidding @tzenes ;) we appreciate your input

radp

An alternative to lavajumping is slimepool.com, also not taken

Downvoter

7:58 PM

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A: How can I reduce latency while playing World of Warcraft

I personally use Leatrix Latency Fix. It dropped my latency from ~250ms to ~60ms on all European realms I tried (currently on Draenor).

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