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11:40
OK, as a rule of thumb thingy for today's TRE:
* the tags are stupid.
* , and are stupid.
* is stupid; so are any tags that have a form and construction together, such as and .
(I'm gonna suggest later to rename tags like and to and , respectively. Two reasons: Less intimidating tag name, and linguistic correction)
12:09
* 's usefulness is debatable.
I suggest leaving it be on some questions. We may just redefine the scope and come up with a reasonable tag.
* and are stupid. , I recommend not leaving it on a question, though if you can't find a better tag, I could live with that.
is as stupid as it gets. No matter what it takes, make sure to remove the tag from any questions you see it on.
12:23
* is also very stupid. Useless.
Used as a place-holder. Like .
\o @Snail; welcome!
Anonymous
One reason to go with perfect rather than perfect-aspect is that some linguists consider the perfect a kind of secondary tense.
Three reasons! (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
OK, you get the idea. You all are better taggers than me anyway.
Just note that for now, it's not really important to have at least two tags on a question; you can leave only one if the tag is doing a pretty good job in what it's supposed to be doing.
Good tags we currently have on ELL:
Anonymous
We should try to have at least one good tag per question, and hopefully no bad tags.
12:40
* is a good tag for now; and except some misappliances it's surprisingly well-applied.
13:12
* Many tags under 30 questions are good ones; obviously because they're only used by the more advanced learners.
*Article tags are good.
See @everyone at 16:00 UTC.
 
2 hours later…
15:41
Hey @Cop.
A bit early, no?
20 minutes left.
Good evening, Muhammad! It's only 20 minutes left!
Okie dokie, getting myself ready . . .
Hi, @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.! How are we going to partition the field: by quantity, by Q-number, by date?
@StoneyB By date.
A Daniel come to judgment! ... ELL says we currently have 2,840 unclosed questions.
15:48
Noun: Daniel come to judgement ‎(plural Daniels come to judgement)
  1. (idiomatic) One who wisely settles a difficult matter....
Usernew said he couldn't be here in TRE, so he'd do his stuff in advance.
10 minutes left.
We might as well wait for two or three other people and then just start.
I abolished some 50 "grammars" this morn.
"Your ass is grass, grammar!"
The funnest part of this will be when I'm counting the edits for stats.
Good evening, Damkerng, Stoney!
\o @Dam, welcome~
15:51
Hello, everyone!
@All please review TRE tips about how it's gonna be done.
Good morning, @CopperKettle
Let's keep this as bureaucratic as possible. @Stoney loves it that way.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. You are going to give a set of questions, about 30, "from here to there".
Yeah that's how it's going to be,
@Dam for stat purposes, don't start yet.
15:53
With what sort of thing do we replace ?
That's an existential question. Camus would've answered something.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Don't worry. I don't think I can do much anyway. :-)
@StoneyB Depends. If we don't have anything better, add a "phrase-meaning"/"meaning-in-context" etc.
OK everyone, let's start.
Hokeydokey. (But I deplore "meaning-in-context", holding that ALL meaning is meaning-in-context!)
It's 15:56 now.
15:55
nods
@StoneyB As you wish. is the worst.
So @Stoney, @Dam, @Cop, tell me how many questions would you like as the main dish today.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. 30
(Use "newest sorting")
I'll start with 100, and see how far that gets me.
A couple of tens, perhaps.
15:57
nods
This is the query: ell.stackexchange.com/…
@CopperKettle Start from
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Q: "Help you" vs "help you out"

alexchencoExample: Actually, there's someone who can help you." Actually, there's someone who can help you out." What's the difference between the two? Or they mean the same thing?

@CopperKettle End in
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Q: Meaning of "heaviest stress"

Edgaras KarkaI found in an English grammar book the expression "heaviest stress". What is mean? L's clipping: The l is doubled only when the last syllable has the heaviest stress.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. - roger that.
@StoneyB Start from
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Q: Can you add "that" in front of adjectives? What difference does it make?

오준수 "It's not that easy" / "I don't play Facebook that much" vs "It's not easy" / "I don't play Facebook much" What's the difference??

@StoneyB End in
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Q: "Something Else" Reference

meatieI have a question about an implicit reference situation with "else": I wanted to see Mike, but he was busy with something else. "Something else" must be relative to another matter, but that matter is not explicitly referred to in the sentence. So, is the sentence poorly written?

(On page 3)
@DamkerngT. 20? Start from
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Q: Shoot, Shoot At

meatieI have a question about the difference between the verb "shoot" and "shoot at": Police shot the suspect. Police shot at the suspect. Are they just the same?

(Page 3)
@DamkerngT. End in
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Q: Is "get back" a phrasal verb in "I have to get back to work"?

Zoltan KingFor me, it sounds like it is. I would like to know your opinion though. In this sentence: "I have to get back to work.", 'get back' means to return. If I understand correctly when we pronounce phrasal verbs in a sentence we usually stress the particle a bit more than the verb. Am I right?

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@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Oh, my answers that have been tagged with .
@Stoney @Cop @Dam note that it'll be much easier if you open the links to the questions you wanna edit in a new tab instead.
16:01
nods
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Start in
Got it. Working up from Aug 11
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Q: What grammar part is 'She Them'

CipherBot She had used her fitness and fighting skills to survive many times. She didn’t always kill with a gun from long range. Sometimes her targets were right in front of her, trying to murder her as fiercely as she them. I am curious into finding out what part of grammar is she them. I am fairly s...

I have 62 answers tagged with . That would take a couple days.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. End in
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Q: What does "pray in" to church mean here?

A.K.I'm back again with a new Hitchens question. First of all, I couldn't decide whether I should post the question here or to the Christianity site. But it seemed like a grammatical question to me. So here it is. Every week, at special ceremonies in Mormon temples, the congregations meet and ar...

@Stoney @Dam @Cop note that
1. Tagging according to what the answer suggests is encouraged.
2. I know you know, but let's remember that questions need descriptive titles too. Thanks
16:04
Yes, thanks for the reminder, Muhammad!
Also there are some close votes to be spent.
@Dam are "whether" constructions conditionals?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Depends
That's all I need.
<grump>3 meaties in my first 5</grump>
BTW guys I'm perplexed which tag to use: [participles], [present-participle], [participle-phrase] and so on. Any ideas?
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Q: Should I use having/ have

sacI can't figure out whether this is a proper sentence I am an Engineer having knowledge in .. Or Is it proper to make it two sentence like I am an Engineer. I have knowledge in...

What about that question, for example?
16:16
participle-clause? "having knowledge in" is a present-participial clause
Do we have such tag?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. yes
BTW hehe I realized we don't have [clause-usage].
@CopperKettle participle clause, not participial -- but that's an issue that can wait.
@StoneyB Yes, I know that the tag is "participle-clause".
16:20
Note: Dialect tags should be removed when the querent isn't looking for expertise in any specific dialect of English.
16:30
Hullo @V.V. and welcome!
Hmm ... I'm coming across QQ that turn on particular uses of very common function words -- such, how, that -- I'm inclined to create tags for those words. What do y'all think?
@StoneyB Do so please! I think the only way we can get outta this tag salad as you put it, is to depracate some tags and introduce new ones.
Sometimes a tag is good, but it's identical to another one. O_O
@CopperKettle Find five questions that the tag would look good on, and make it.
oh.. let's leave well enough alone then
16:35
I sense we lack a certain tag @Cop @Stoney. A tag that'd fit this question:
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Q: May I say "Time will tell you [something]"?

kittyI am learning how to cook Japanese and Thai food. Some of us have just begun apprenticeship. My master (an experienced cook. He was from Middlesbrough) taught me how to make sushi more than several times, but I just failed to do it. He did not blame me but told me to practise it more. I told him...

It would mean something like [sentence-usage], but it should be something better.
I've got three questions already involving . Would we do better to make this tag , which will be understood by more than just experts?
I think your proposal is less intimidating, but it won't keep it from going nowhere.
[reference] is unclear to some learners.
@Stoney @Cop what are your ideas on the [exam-question] tag? I personally hate it since it's a meta tag
What is "meta tag"?
@CopperKettle Death of meta tags, Jeff Atwood, SO blog.
(I think putting a link would've been easier)
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I think we need it. Exam-question (including practice tests and so forth) are a distinct genre of text encountered by learners, and in many cases ordinary tags don't fit. Also, I've already had one of these where the question/answer given in the question was clearly misinformed -- I tagged it . I don't know what else you can do with these.
16:42
@StoneyB What if instead of those two tags we tag it as "erratum"?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Well, we've already got ; and what about s without errors?
@StoneyB I still don't think it's useful to distinguish between an exam and a nonexam question.
Anybody got a good and recognizable term for the constituent which a given modifier modifies? CGEL uses 'head', but that's too general.
referent?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. erratum is a Latin word for "error". In English, it usually means "an error that has been acknowledged by the author, but too late to correct in the text." Unfortunately, that meaning is not applicable for these exam questions, because the people (us) pointing out the errors are neither the exam authors nor the exam publishers.
16:46
@Jasper I already missed you.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I hadn't expected to have to "fight the sleepies".
Are you ready for some retagging @Jasper?
Yes.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. We have lots of questions about how to form questions, the syntax of questions. I've been tagging these , and questions about the use of specific wh- words and how as
But exam questions are something different ... Leave em there and we can come back to em later?
@StoneyB Oh but that's a problem. We're now drawn an arbitrary line that many learners would cross.
16:48
there's a strange tag, grammarellipsis
Just for now, you can search for [interrogatives] [questions] and remove one from questions with both tags.
@CopperKettle Make by something made of Copper.
@Jasper how many would you want to do?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. What?
@CopperKettle It seems you accidentally made it by retagging one of Listenever's stuff. I removed it about half an hour ago.
@CopperKettle 'Referent' is usually reserved for anaphora.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Me? No. Probably someone else.
16:50
@CopperKettle ಠ_ಠ
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. True. Keep "questions" and tag as needed with what, how, who?
@Jasper I realized you started editing. By what sorting are you editing the questions?
<(ಠ.ಠ)>
I'm afraid you suddenly might clash into one of the editors @Jasp, hence why I'm asking.
@CopperKettle ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ง-]—- ᴇɴ ɢᴀʀᴅᴇ
16:53
Hey what is "very" called?
Quantifier?
adjective? no, it's an adverb, probably
Banana?
Oh yeah, ofc. Everything is adverb.
It can modify adjectives, so it must be an adverb.
I've had to create a new tag for this "One day you will crying remember my words"!
Oh boy
16:57
I'm done! In time! 2 minutes left.
But I think we have a few questions about it.
@CopperKettle An hour and two minutes left.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. You're putting me on! It's a three-hour ordeal?
I can't put kettles on. They're not men wear.
@Cop do we have a tag for dumb pronouns?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. yes, I remember seeing the "dummy-pronoun" tag
@CopperKettle Hah! For once a useful tag . . .
17:08
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Right now, I am working on questions (that I have not already failed to retag) that were last active before March 31, 2014.
@Jasper Oh, you're doing old ones.
Well, we don't clash yet. Just next time please also check with us first, OK @Jasp?
Any ideas what tags I should use for this? CC @Cop
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Q: Abbreviation and Merge

LauraWhen I am using Java language. I need to look up some material in its official website: The sentence I copy from here.. The author of this document give an definition of Java Class File: An abstract representation of file and directory pathnames. I feel confused with the above sentence. D...

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. conjunctions? it has and
Oh. Ellipsis.
Yes, ellipsis is better.
Ellipsis in coordinate phrases.
So ellipsis and coordination? Do we even have that tag?
We do.
So, this usage of the noun "turn" is a recent invention of the internet age? — meatie Jul 27 '15 at 22:28
Facepalm
> Upon facing difficulties, I will work hard.
What is "upon" up there?
17:26
Preposition?
Somehow I'm not satisfied with "adverbial-phrase".
we can omit upon. "Facing difficulties, I will work hard"
participle-clause ... and with upon -- it's prepositional phrase? O_O
Oh yeah . . .
I read this a couple of times and my head started aching:
There are three times here. When the thing happened; when you weren't told about it, and when you didn't know. Either choice is possible, and which one is better depends on whether you think you should have been told in the time frame when it happened, or whether you think you should have been told closer to the time that you didn't know about it. — Peter Shor Jan 19 '15 at 1:24
It's a acting as a clausal modifier, which you can call an
17:30
Oh.
We should boil water in Kettle for being wrong.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Hey! I said that with upon it was a prepositional phrase
You did indeed - I was merely saying it should get both tags, one representing its internal structure and the other representing its syntactical function
@CopperKettle I liked that comment!
We definitely need some tag wikis!
I'm close to tears.
Predicand! The constituent modified is its predicand!
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17:36
Sounds concupiscent.
Cries
Quite a few questions ask "Why do we use the present tense here, even though the event occurred in the recent past?" or "Why do we use the present tense here, even though the event is sure to happen one or more times in the future?" I have been applying the "tense" tag to some of these questions. What would be better tag name(s)?
Now may we turn aside and dry our tears,
And comfort us, and lay aside our fears,
For all is gone—all comely quality,
All gentleness and hospitality,
All courtesy and merriment is gone;
Our virtues all are withered every one,
Our music vanished and our skill to sing:
Now may we quiet us and quit our moan,
Nothing is whole that could be broke; no thing
Remains to us of all that was our own.
@Jasper Don't! [tense] is bad. We should just use [past] and [present]. (Unaccompanied by their aspects)
OK, this is totally my fault.
For the next TRE, I should do some homework.
@DamkerngT. Frankly, I failed to understand that comment. But I'll try.
17:42
What is "other" in "my other pencil"?
determiner? I'm not sure.
"Another" is a det. But "other" can't be. We already have "my" there.
I'm not going to click that . . .
@Jasper There's a tag I think could be usefully extended to things like . But I think we need to discuss this. Perhaps ?
17:45
@StoneyB vs. isn't useful.
Time reference is good.
Gee, I've been giving out like, 10 downvotes today. :(
We used to accept a lot of proofreading questions here.
I have given out is probably better.
@CopperKettle I'm not done yet. >:)
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. So you haven't metered out the full 10 votes yet?
Not sure.
I may have been giving out 10 downvotes today?
Maybe I should make it a question on ELL. (0:
17:51
Yes.
OK, time's up!
Thanks everyone for participating!
Special thanks to @Stoney and @Cop
Thanks for organizing the event!
Arrgh. I'm only halfway done. ... Where do we stand now?
180 edits.
Bit off more than I could chew.
@StoneyB You can always continue later, if our zealous editors don't edit them out. :)
18:03
I've used up all my upvotes. I get carried away by the question sometimes.
47 tag edits ... but I spent some time answering a question.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Oh, I will. When's the next event?
Bye y'all!
@StoneyB 3 days later.
 
3 hours later…
Anonymous
21:18
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Very is an intensifier.

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